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Madeleine Fund Trademark Renewal
The trademark for the Madeleine Fund is due for renewal on 18th May 2017 (source: https://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK00002456061?legacySearch=False), but will they renew it?
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I see that the trademark contains the following provision:
Class 36: Charitable fundraising; charitable and non-charitable services relating to the provision of assistance to families and others affected by missing children.
How can fundraising by a limited company be classed as charitable fundraising?
Class 36: Charitable fundraising; charitable and non-charitable services relating to the provision of assistance to families and others affected by missing children.
How can fundraising by a limited company be classed as charitable fundraising?
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I think they will because it only costs £200 and it would look suspicious if they didn't.init wrote:The trademark for the Madeleine Fund is due for renewal on 18th May 2017 (source: https://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK00002456061?legacySearch=False), but will they renew it?
It's not as if they need that £200 for their mortgage payment anymore because three-year-old Madeleine has paid that off for them.
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Isn't there a mortgage against their house now Getem?Get'emGonçalo wrote:I think they will because it only costs £200 and it would look suspicious if they didn't.init wrote:The trademark for the Madeleine Fund is due for renewal on 18th May 2017 (source: https://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK00002456061?legacySearch=False), but will they renew it?
It's not as if they need that £200 for their mortgage payment anymore because three-year-old Madeleine has paid that off for them.
I was under the impression that just two payments were made from the fund.
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With all the millions of pounds they've made in the past ten years do you think they'd still have a mortgage?Nina wrote:Isn't there a mortgage against their house now Getem?Get'emGonçalo wrote:I think they will because it only costs £200 and it would look suspicious if they didn't.init wrote:The trademark for the Madeleine Fund is due for renewal on 18th May 2017 (source: https://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK00002456061?legacySearch=False), but will they renew it?
It's not as if they need that £200 for their mortgage payment anymore because three-year-old Madeleine has paid that off for them.
I was under the impression that just two payments were made from the fund.
I don't.
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I agree with you there just wondered if anyone had actually done a search to see if the property is still mortgaged.Get'emGonçalo wrote:With all the millions of pounds they've made in the past ten years do you think they'd still have a mortgage?Nina wrote:Isn't there a mortgage against their house now Getem?Get'emGonçalo wrote:I think they will because it only costs £200 and it would look suspicious if they didn't.init wrote:The trademark for the Madeleine Fund is due for renewal on 18th May 2017 (source: https://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK00002456061?legacySearch=False), but will they renew it?
It's not as if they need that £200 for their mortgage payment anymore because three-year-old Madeleine has paid that off for them.
I was under the impression that just two payments were made from the fund.
I don't.
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I will try to find out for you Nina.Nina wrote:I agree with you there just wondered if anyone had actually done a search to see if the property is still mortgaged.Get'emGonçalo wrote:With all the millions of pounds they've made in the past ten years do you think they'd still have a mortgage?Nina wrote:Isn't there a mortgage against their house now Getem?Get'emGonçalo wrote:I think they will because it only costs £200 and it would look suspicious if they didn't.init wrote:The trademark for the Madeleine Fund is due for renewal on 18th May 2017 (source: https://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/1/UK00002456061?legacySearch=False), but will they renew it?
It's not as if they need that £200 for their mortgage payment anymore because three-year-old Madeleine has paid that off for them.
I was under the impression that just two payments were made from the fund.
I don't.
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While No Stone Unturned isn't a registered charity, it doesn't mean that a limited company cannot be charity. In fact, most charities are.
A charitable company is a form under which charities can be set up and to which existing charitable associations or trusts can convert. In either case, a company limited by guarantee is set up with special charitable articles, and is registered both at Companies House (as a company) and with the Charity commission as a charity in its own right.
A charitable company is a form under which charities can be set up and to which existing charitable associations or trusts can convert. In either case, a company limited by guarantee is set up with special charitable articles, and is registered both at Companies House (as a company) and with the Charity commission as a charity in its own right.
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Yes I know that a charity can be a limited company & vice versa but how can No Stone Unturned be a charity whilst not being registered as a charity & be free to spend the funds in way that it wishes?sallypelt wrote:While No Stone Unturned isn't a registered charity, it doesn't mean that a limited company cannot be charity. In fact, most charities are.
A charitable company is a form under which charities can be set up and to which existing charitable associations or trusts can convert. In either case, a company limited by guarantee is set up with special charitable articles, and is registered both at Companies House (as a company) and with the Charity commission as a charity in its own right.
It's clear from their own website that No Stone Unturned isn't a charity & cannot be decribed as a charity.
Anyone having a quick look at the renewal & seeing that Class 36 applies would think that it's a charity from the wording in Class 36.
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Philip Anders wrote:Yes I know that a charity can be a limited company & vice versa but how can No Stone Unturned be a charity whilst not being registered as a charity & be free to spend the funds in way that it wishes?sallypelt wrote:While No Stone Unturned isn't a registered charity, it doesn't mean that a limited company cannot be charity. In fact, most charities are.
A charitable company is a form under which charities can be set up and to which existing charitable associations or trusts can convert. In either case, a company limited by guarantee is set up with special charitable articles, and is registered both at Companies House (as a company) and with the Charity commission as a charity in its own right.
It's clear from their own website that No Stone Unturned isn't a charity & cannot be decribed as a charity.
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I totally agree with you. It has been know, almost from the beginning that it wasn't a charity, regardless what the MSM says. No Stone Unturned had one purpose, and one purpose, only, and that was to "look" for a single person.......oh and pay the odd mortgage payment, sue anyone who questioned the McCanns, and a few jollies in a five star hotel. Please add anything else you can think of
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Indeed it has been known from the start so it begs the question was Class 36 included to give the impression of a charity while at the same time not calling it a charity by using the excuse that it could be converted at some point.sallypelt wrote:Philip Anders wrote:Yes I know that a charity can be a limited company & vice versa but how can No Stone Unturned be a charity whilst not being registered as a charity & be free to spend the funds in way that it wishes?sallypelt wrote:While No Stone Unturned isn't a registered charity, it doesn't mean that a limited company cannot be charity. In fact, most charities are.
A charitable company is a form under which charities can be set up and to which existing charitable associations or trusts can convert. In either case, a company limited by guarantee is set up with special charitable articles, and is registered both at Companies House (as a company) and with the Charity commission as a charity in its own right.
It's clear from their own website that No Stone Unturned isn't a charity & cannot be decribed as a charity.
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I totally agree with you. It has been know, almost from the beginning that it wasn't a charity, regardless what the MSM says. No Stone Unturned had one purpose, and one purpose, only, and that was to "look" for a single person.......oh and pay the odd mortgage payment, sue anyone who questioned the McCanns, and a few jollies in a five star hotel. Please add anything else you can think of
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I searched the Land Registry a couple of months ago after the latest accounts were published to see if the title had been transferred to the Ltd. company, to try and account for the £490k odd 'investment' showing.
The property was still registered in the names of Mr & Mrs and showed HSBC as the 'lender'.
Although technically this means the property is still mortgaged to HSBC, we have no way of knowing whether anything is actually owing and it is fairly common practice, when a mortgage is paid off, to leave a token £1 or so outstanding in order that the mortgage company will continue to look after the deeds &/or Land Cert.
The property was still registered in the names of Mr & Mrs and showed HSBC as the 'lender'.
Although technically this means the property is still mortgaged to HSBC, we have no way of knowing whether anything is actually owing and it is fairly common practice, when a mortgage is paid off, to leave a token £1 or so outstanding in order that the mortgage company will continue to look after the deeds &/or Land Cert.
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they moved £500,000 into fixed assets.
Fixed assets usually means property so did they pay the mortgage off or enough and leave a nominal fee outstanding?
If so was it done to prevent the money being used to pay the legal fees and costs?
Is it to paint Dr. Amaral as the bad guy by claiming if he takes the legal feess and costs and whatever it would make them homeless or if he sues it will make the twins homeless, despite this being their intention when they sued Dr. Amaral?
Everything they do and have done is for a reason, usually to garner money and fame.
If they have moved the the money and then try and claim bankruptcy to avoid payment, the courts frown upon debtors trying to conceal money from creditorsa and if they tried that, they could end up doing jail time.
They owe a bucket load of money and they have no way to avoid paying.
Fixed assets usually means property so did they pay the mortgage off or enough and leave a nominal fee outstanding?
If so was it done to prevent the money being used to pay the legal fees and costs?
Is it to paint Dr. Amaral as the bad guy by claiming if he takes the legal feess and costs and whatever it would make them homeless or if he sues it will make the twins homeless, despite this being their intention when they sued Dr. Amaral?
Everything they do and have done is for a reason, usually to garner money and fame.
If they have moved the the money and then try and claim bankruptcy to avoid payment, the courts frown upon debtors trying to conceal money from creditorsa and if they tried that, they could end up doing jail time.
They owe a bucket load of money and they have no way to avoid paying.
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Hi Hobs,if what you have stated and turns out to be correct?
Then this just shows once again how farcical a situation the Public having been mislead by the"Find Madeleine Fund" and the mystery Private Investigators allowed to escape from ripping off the "Directors of the fund"worth Hundreds of Thousands of Pounds?
The parents then may have to"Re-finance"their Family Home to pay any Court costs from Portugal Supreme Court?
Once again you can see Tracey Kinda Hola,"Dispicable Goncalo Amaral" makes McCann Family Homeless,part of a"Cunning plan"Clarence?
The UK MSM will have a field day of weeks of Headlines?
Then this just shows once again how farcical a situation the Public having been mislead by the"Find Madeleine Fund" and the mystery Private Investigators allowed to escape from ripping off the "Directors of the fund"worth Hundreds of Thousands of Pounds?
The parents then may have to"Re-finance"their Family Home to pay any Court costs from Portugal Supreme Court?
Once again you can see Tracey Kinda Hola,"Dispicable Goncalo Amaral" makes McCann Family Homeless,part of a"Cunning plan"Clarence?
The UK MSM will have a field day of weeks of Headlines?
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Trade mark
Trade mark Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned
Status Expired
Relevant dates
Filing date 18 May 2007Date of entry in register 22 February 2008
Renewal date 18 May 2017
List of goods and services
Class 9 Downloadable internet publicationsClass 16 Printed matter
Class 36 Charitable fundraising; charitable and non-charitable services relating to the provision of assistance to families and others affected by missing children.
Class 41 Non-downloadable internet publications
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Owner(s) name Madeleine's Fund: Leaving No Stone Unturned Limited10 Queen Street, London, United Kingdom, EC4R 1BE
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IPO representative name Bates Wells & Braithwaite London LLP10 Queen Street Place, London, United Kingdom, EC4R 1BE
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Does this mean that someone else could now buy the trademark?
Apparently you can.
After a quick google i found this.
As it has lapsed it will cost them £400 to renew including the late 'penalty'
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