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Post by Liz Eagles 12.05.17 22:46

Slightly off topic but continuing with the reasoning for my request to formally scrutinize the Missing People charity, each time there is a media article concerning a missing person I check if that missing person is present on the Missing People website - and I always find they are not there.

This is a charity that lobbies, that has the backing of very senior police officers who have turned up at the bidding of the charity to 'events'.

This is a charity (juggernaut) that has welcomed Kate McCann as an ambassador.

This charity needs to be publicly scrutinized.

I believe there is a handful of good quality investigative journalists. The Guardian produced an immaculate article on what ought to be the principles of charities - and I'm no Grauniad reader.

The Kids Company charity was supported by the Evening Standard - offering awards and substantiating the prowess of Camilla Batmanghelidj. There was an absolute media storm which turned out to be a storm in a teacup. Yentob resigned one position in the BBC and continued with other well entrenched fruitful establishment pursuits. The untouchables.

The media have become very quiet in this particular case and are not pressing for transparency. Just as the media are not pressing for any form of transparency from Operation Grange, and in the light of Colin Sutton's potentially explosive and damning accusation there is a kind of hush all over the world tonight.

Establishment? From where I'm sitting you're darned right it is.

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Post by polyenne 12.05.17 22:52

Aquila, after all your pontificating earlier this week, you now deem CS "accusation" to be "explosive and damning".
What "accusation" might that be ?
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Post by polyenne 12.05.17 22:53

Sorry, only "potentially" !!
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Post by Liz Eagles 12.05.17 22:56

polyenne wrote:Sorry, only "potentially" !!
Please quit the personal stuff. It's tiresome. Give an opinion of your own.
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Post by Liz Eagles 12.05.17 23:26

I see no headline in the UK media - the media that produced so much garbage and shock headlines around the disappearance of a little 3 year old girl called Madeleine - to ask Colin Sutton to blow a whistle and blow it now.

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Post by Tony Bennett 12.05.17 23:38

It seems that 'our' Colin Sutton has become something of an expert on missing person cases.

He is also the lead, 'go-to', 'expert', 'senior' detective for the media in the case of the complete mystery of the disappearance of Corrie McKeague, as this catalogue of entries on the Google search engine reveals:

  
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I am wondering, actually, what Colin Sutton's record of success is in his detective work.

He hasn't been very successful on the Madeleine McCann case, has he? He's had 10 years of pontificating on it, but still doesn't have a clue what happened to her and says 'more work needs to be done'.

And what makes him such an expert on both Madeleine McCann and Corrie McKeague, both very strange disappearances?

He is frequently described as a 'senior' detective, but it seems he was only a Detective Inspector.

There are THREE detective ranks above this:
* Detective Chief Inspector
* Detective Superintendent
* Detective Chief Superintendent.

There are only TWO ranks below Detective Inspector:
* Detective Sergeant
* Detective Constable.

So 'senior' detective is a bit inaccurate. He was actually only the 4th rank out if the six detective ranks.

Come to think of it, just how low ranking do you have to be to star in a missing persons' documentary, or to be regarded as a 'crack', or 'senior', or 'expert' detective?
Take Dave Edgar in the Madeleine McCann case. Detective Inspector - retired. Again, only the 4th rank.

What about his assistant, Arthur Cowley? Merely a Detective Sergeant - also retired. Only made the 5th rank, after 30 years service. Co-operated with Brian Kennedy, the McCanns' lead investigator, to create the bogus 'ALPHAIG' company at his home on Halkyn Mountain, with a pigeon loft and two or three horses.     

Then there is the strange case of Mark Williams-Thomas. He never made it past Detective Constable while in the Surrey Police, then left under a cloud. Whether he resigned or was sacked, nobody knows. He was wrong about Madeleine McCann and Joana Cipriano cases. He has been wrong in other cases too. He recently said that Madeleine probably just wandered off into the night - just like that.

What exactly qualifies him, or Colin Sutton for that matter, to pontificate so often on the telly about crimes in the news. Why do the media go to folk like these for comments?

What is their actual track record?

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Post by Guest 12.05.17 23:56

Yes, all retired and in need of a pension boost - what better way than hook-up to a high profile criminal case, albeit on the periphery as a daytime television studio commentator.

Colin Sutton has all the appearances of a self-styled Mark Williams-Thomas, same meat different jus source gravy.

Score:  Colin Sutton 10 - Madeleine McCann 0
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Post by Guest 13.05.17 0:02

I wonder what ex-DCI Andy Redwood's got in store for the future..

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Post by Liz Eagles 13.05.17 0:05

Dear God, Madeleine McCann always comes out as the loser.

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aquila wrote:Dear God, Madeleine McCann always comes out as the loser.
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Post by Phoebe 13.05.17 1:07

Are serving police, of any rank, not prohibited from offering personal opinions on cases? Does not this limit the pool of potential commentators with actual police experience to those no longer serving? When Colin Sutton first began posting no one commented that his rank was too lowly. He has stated clearly that he has not formed an opinion on what happened to Madeleine so, if this is the case, how can he express such an opinion?
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Post by pennylane 14.05.17 11:07

Phoebe wrote:Are serving police, of any rank, not prohibited from offering personal opinions on cases? Does not this limit the pool of potential commentators with actual police experience to those no longer serving? When Colin Sutton first began posting no one commented that his rank was too lowly. He has stated clearly that he has not formed an opinion on what happened to Madeleine so, if this is the case, how can he express such an opinion?

Agreed Phoebe! Op Grange and Team McCann's massive 10th Anniversary 'stranger abduction' PR offensive, was annihilated by Colin Sutton's shocking (to many) MSM reveal. Way to go Sutton!    nod
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Post by Jill Havern 14.05.17 13:02

Phoebe wrote:Are serving police, of any rank, not prohibited from offering personal opinions on cases? Does not this limit the pool of potential commentators with actual police experience to those no longer serving? When Colin Sutton first began posting no one commented that his rank was too lowly. He has stated clearly that he has not formed an opinion on what happened to Madeleine so, if this is the case, how can he express such an opinion?
I agree too.

The rank of DCI cannot be considered too lowly, otherwise DCI Nicola Wall wouldn't be in charge now.

Nor would DCI Redwood have been for that matter, despite being a plonker. Madeleine is either alive or, sadly, dead. roll

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Post by ChippyM 14.05.17 13:16

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init wrote:.......snipped........Imagine if Colin Sutton came on here before the Sky interview and asked us all, if we could get him to say 1 FACT about the case on MSM what would it be? I bet a lot of people would have gone for OG is a shambles. (Others maybe the dogs?)

There's no need to state in MSM that OG was a shambles when the remit was there for all to read from the start.   It's more a a sad (or deliberate) case of the media never reporting on it. The entire British public have been free to read that remit and contemplate for years.  I just don't understand a whistleblower who chooses to toot weakly on his whistle when he could have a had a really massive blow ( sorry, weird imagery laughat

  It seems like someone who wants to be seen to be speaking out but for whatever reason,  hedging their bets so that they can continue 'commentating' without hindrance.

Thats like saying theres no longer any need to have a forum because all the evidence is in the PJ Files for all to see... By having Colin Sutton on their show they "reported it" so I don't quite follow your comment.

What else do you expect / want from Colin?

......snipped.

I'm not saying there is no need for anyone to discuss it or other evidence - that has been going on under the radar of 'mainstream' discussion for years. I was responding to the comment that most people would think it more important for an 'expert' to talk about the limited remit rather than the dog evidence, I disagree. The Dog evidence would make more of an impact on the public and generate more discussion.

   I don't expect anything from Colin Sutton. I don't know him so can't speak for his motives in all this. In telling us his anonymous source / phone call story, what has that achieved? Do the government feel pressured and embarrassed because someone high up in the Met wasn't named? Is the media full of articles about the remit being a joke? Is anyone discussing the remit outside of the circles where it has been discussed for years?  
    Nope -  but it gives him a kind of 'insider' credibility that simultaneously allows him to keep commenting to the media.   I'm not attacking him, I just don't see him as some kind of whistleblower who has dared to speak out.
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Post by plebgate 16.05.17 8:35

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Phoebe wrote:Are serving police, of any rank, not prohibited from offering personal opinions on cases? Does not this limit the pool of potential commentators with actual police experience to those no longer serving? When Colin Sutton first began posting no one commented that his rank was too lowly. He has stated clearly that he has not formed an opinion on what happened to Madeleine so, if this is the case, how can he express such an opinion?

Agreed Phoebe! Op Grange and Team McCann's massive 10th Anniversary 'stranger abduction' PR offensive, was annihilated by Colin Sutton's shocking (to many) MSM reveal. Way to go Sutton!    nod
Agreed.   Cops are trained not to divulge info that could land one of their own "in it".   Who would give him any info. in the future if they thought their names would be splattered all over the newspapers?

The Top Brass could always issue a statement saying it is complete nonsense but the silence is deafening imo. 

I doubt we will see Colin back anyway but I think what he said took guts and I do not believe he was lying as there has been absolutely no response to his comments.

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Post by Guest 16.05.17 15:54

The more you - no, make that I - think about this affair the more curious it becomes. 

One memorable day in April, Colin sutton appeared on CMoMM from out of the blue with potentially explosive information which he was prepared to share with the forum, a public venue as regards readership but nonetheless his chosen destination for revelationary information , as and when ... drip...  drip... drip.  In particular he named the pending Sky Documentary as the stalling obstacle but stated he would return to CMoMM after the documentary to answer inevitable questions and to discuss the case in general - on that point regretfully for whatever reason, he has reneged on the deal. 

Colin Sutton claims he was contacted by a very senior Metropolitan Police officer when planning was underway to launch Operation Grange in 2010.  Haven't time at present to dig out his exact words but this is Mark Saunokonoko's version..  "Sutton received a phone tip off from a very senior Metropolitan police officer, warning him about the looming investigation and how it would be handled."

Please note the word 'investigation' as opposed to review - which, we are given to understand, was initially the reason behind the set-up of Operation Grange - to coordinate and review all documentation from different sources, into the case of missing Madeleine McCann.  So I ask myself - was Operation Grange an investigative force from the beginning in May 2011 under the guise of a review team?  Or is this all some cock 'n bull story, the wider agenda - it wouldn't be the first to feature in this sorry saga would it?  The media always appear to be behind the McCann tour de force!

In short, why would a high ranking police officer in 2010 be warning a colleague against heading a bias 'review' with a limited remit?  How can coordination and reviewing of investigative files have a remit of any description, let alone a bias limited remit?

Again I ask - why would Colin Sutton be warned against taking on the role of leading Operation Grange in 2010, when he was due to retire early in 2011.  Remember Operation Grange wasn't launched until May 2011 - a bit later in the year than early.

Something doesn't add up - I smell a purple herring!
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Post by plebgate 16.05.17 16:12

I remember reading a post on CMOMM where it was stated that the review was always going to become an investigation.   Not sure if it was from a video of BHH but it was definitely posted on here.
So for now I do not see a purple herring.

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Post by Jill Havern 16.05.17 16:19

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A strange tweet from Colin earlier in response to a tweet about NHS hacking.

How did NHS hacking turn into online name-calling?

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Op Grange Remit

The support and expertise proffered by the Commissioner will be provided by the Homicide & Serious Crime Command - SCD1.

The activity, in the first instance, will be that of an ‘investigative review’. This will entail a review of the whole of the investigation(s) which have been conducted in to the circumstances of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

The focus of the review will be of the material held by three main stakeholders (and in the following order of primacy);

The Portuguese Law Enforcement agencies.
UK Law Enforcement agencies,
Other private investigative agencies/staff and organisations.

The investigative review is intended to collate, record and analyse what has gone before.

It is to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter. Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry cannot permit for such an approach. It will take too long to progress to any “action stage” if activity is given wholly and solely to a review process.

The ‘investigative review’ will be conducted with transparency, openness and thoroughness.

The work will be overseen through the Gold Group management structure, which will also manage the central relationships with other key stakeholders and provide continuing oversight and direction to the investigative remit.
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So....  Whilst ordinarily a review has no investigative remit whatsoever- the scale and extent of this enquiry [review?] cannot permit for such an approach. It will take too long to progress to any “action stage” if activity is given wholly and solely to a review [enquiry?] process.....  still it took two years before the intitial 'review' [investigative review?] was upgraded to a full blown 'investigation'.

Word play methinks.

Whatever, it still doesn't explain why a high ranking Metropolitan Police Officer is warning a colleague against heading a case review/investigation in 2010, eventually launched in the name of Operation Grange in May 2011 when said colleague was due to retire early 2011.
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Phoebe wrote:Are serving police, of any rank, not prohibited from offering personal opinions on cases? Does not this limit the pool of potential commentators with actual police experience to those no longer serving? When Colin Sutton first began posting no one commented that his rank was too lowly. He has stated clearly that he has not formed an opinion on what happened to Madeleine so, if this is the case, how can he express such an opinion?

Agreed Phoebe! Op Grange and Team McCann's massive 10th Anniversary 'stranger abduction' PR offensive, was annihilated by Colin Sutton's shocking (to many) MSM reveal. Way to go Sutton!    nod
Agreed.   Cops are trained not to divulge info that could land one of their own "in it".   Who would give him any info. in the future if they thought their names would be splattered all over the newspapers?

The Top Brass could always issue a statement saying it is complete nonsense but the silence is deafening imo. 


I doubt we will see Colin back anyway but I think what he said took guts and I do not believe he was lying as there has been absolutely no response to his comments.
agree  I hope he keeps up the pressure.
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Friday, 19 May 2017



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1. Introduction

“A man [or anybody for that matter] is known by the company he keeps” – Aesop

We have waited to see who Ian Horrocks was associated with before giving an opinion on his latest opining about what happened to Maddie in a post called exactly “[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]” on a website called BGP-Global services.

If dung was truffles, Horrocks’ production would be auctioned at Sothebys for an absurd amount of money such would be the competition to get the hands on such a rare, exquisite and refined piece of crap.

Before too long, on May 4th, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] was retweeting Horrocks latest offering.

Not surprisingly, Summers and Swann are also following Horrocks on twitter.


2. Horrocks and the dogs

And even for a creator of platinum-quality twaddle like Horrocks is, he summarily ditches Edgar’s theories and the bungled burglary in just a half a paragraph:

“The talk of Madeleine being kidnapped by a paedophile ring, or people traffickers, for a client in some distant place, or some of the even more far-fetched theories may be worth discussion, but are not in my opinion credible. Likewise, the idea that a random burglar suddenly deciding to take a child instead of valuables is also unlikely.”

Horrocks libels Portugal by stating as truthful something that has been absolutely and completely denied by the Portuguese authorities: “In saying that, there were a number of instances of burglary throughout that part of the Algarve that were not investigated adequately. Some of these involved sex attacks against young children.”

The following [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] about the importance of the dogs’ findings Horrocks mentions in his blog post – “The farcical conspiracy theory that the last photo of Madeleine was photo shopped, the spurious and often inaccurately reported forensic findings, the irrelevant behaviour of the cadaver dogs” – is quite interesting to read:

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Irrelevant behaviour in these specific circumstances. Cadaver dogs are excellent and a valuable resource. Thanks for the comment
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Horrocks is very clear that cadaver dogs are excellent and a valuable resources, except only when it comes to the specific circumstances of the McCanns.


3. What Horrocks thinks happened to Maddie

In short, Horrocks has no evidence about what happened to Madeleine; just a belief that she was taken by somebody unspecified who probably spoke English and that she is still alive, somewhere unspecified.

One of the reasons he states for his belief that the parents were in no way involved is, believe it or not, because there is no family history!

“The thought that Kate and Gerry McCann had anything to do with the death of their daughter, whether being directly responsible, or covering up an accident, is as far as I am concerned frankly preposterous. Although many believe this, as far as I am aware, there is not one shred of credible evidence, either direct or otherwise to indicate that this is even a remote possibility.

There are many reasons for saying this. Firstly, and importantly, there is no family history that would point in any way to this.”

Is this a new profiling discovery we are unaware of?

Could it be because there’s no similar McCann/Healy family history that involve cadaver and blood dogs that makes Horrocks believes the dogs to be irrelevant. Maybe to him due to the lack of family history every time the dogs barked were always false positives.

We urge (NOT) the British authorities to immediately do a survey among all prisoners, from the commonest criminal to the most heinous ones, and ask each and any of them if anyone in their family had done a similar thing. If not, release them at once as they are, according to Horrocks, evidently innocent.

This is probably also true of many people convicted of serious crimes, including Dr Shipman and completely irrelevant.

Is Horrocks party to the criminal history (or lack of) of the relatives of both parents? As a retired officer, can he access the criminal records’ database? Given that the answer should be NO, how can he state this with any certainty?

Anne Guedes with “[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]” has provided a very useful comparison of 2 articles written by Horrocks in 2012 and 2013, showing how he made adjustments to the 2013 article in the light of Redwood’s belief that Tannerman was probably an innocent dad taking his own child home.


4. Horrocks and his friends

This is not the first time we speak of Horrocks. We spoke of him in our post of June 5 2012 “[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]”.

Now Horrocks negates Edgar, who in 2017 maintains that Maddie disappeared as a result of sexual motives but does support Edgar who in 2009 maintains she was taken by a caring couple..

We have since corrected in our post “[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]” what we had said in that post about Andy Redwood.

As far as we are aware, Andy Redwood was not involved with Ian Horrocks, Hamish Campbell or Simon Foy in the investigation of the Jill Dando case.

The coincidence between the 2 cases is that Campbell and Foy were part of Operation Grange in the earlier stages.

Out of curiosity we can add that the journalist referred to in the post, Mazher Mahmood, was sentenced to 15 months imprisonment for conspiring to pervert the course of justice in October 2016.

It seems Horrocks congratulations to the News of the World for their story was questionable, given the circumstances.

Commander Simon Foy has recently expressed his opinion about the case to Richard Bilton on Panorama on May 3rd 2017, with much negative head shaking, you knows and over- earnest attempts to be convincing:.

Foy: “Even on the first glance of what we looked at, and when we took the information back and ran it through our own understanding and you know, verified sightings and accounts and statements and all the rest of it, it was perfectly clear to us that the McCanns themselves had nothing at all to do with the actual disappearance.” [that last sentence may be true as it refers to disappearance only]

Bilton: “Why?”

Foy: “Because, because It was just obvious from the, you know, that everything stacked up that  they, you know, they were where they said they were when the child went missing.”

It seems Foy and Horrocks are still singing from the same hymn sheet.


5. Sutton and Horrocks

Enter the scene [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], on Twitter about Horrocks’ drivel:

SilverLining @Ev3ryCloud
@colinsutton Seems former Chief Insp. of Met Ian Horrocks has this take on Madeleine [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] ...Any thoughts?
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Colin Sutton @colinsutton
Replying to @Ev3ryCloud
We've spoken, we disagree on a number of things but he is a good man and I respect his right to have and voice his opinion, of course.
1:57 PM · 16 May 2017”

SilverLining @Ev3ryCloud
Replying to @colinsutton
Thank you for your response, appreciated. We all have right to voice opinion, but to ignore obvious is alarming? [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
2:02 PM · 16 de mai de 2017”

Quite a surprisingly evasive and dismissive answer, from the newest hero in town to what is an article evidently filled with absurd falsities.

As SilverLining correctly put it, ignoring the obvious is ALARMING.

Is it just us or there is something rather strange about the conversations going on between these former police officers, the links between some of them and the involvement of Martin Brunt in promoting Horrocks’ opinions on twitter?


6. New knight in town

“Shalt thou speak against the McCanns and thine is the glory, the respect and the awe owed to a hero by his fellow citizens”

This is an effective motto used by some to fool many. And it does fool many.

Remember Katie “we will never know what happened to Maddie” Hopkins?

Or Karen “I’ll be sued by the McCanns because I dared to say they were neglectful” Danczuk?

Where are they now?

So it was sufficient for Colin Sutton to have as a headline “[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]” to be considered the new knight in shining armour riding into town on his white horse.

The subtitles of that particular article were very clear what it was all about:

“- Colin Sutton said he was warned by senior friend in the Met about case in 2010

- Friend said he would be told 'who to talk to and what to investigate', he claimed

- 'Narrow focus' would be to prove Kate, Gerry and Tapas Nine innocent, he said”

The wording is very clear: James Dunn, has stated that Colin Sutton said a senior friend in the Met told Sutton about the case in 2010 that Sutton would be told who to talk to and what to investigate because the narrow focus would be to prove Kate, Gerry and Tapas Nine innocent.

This is not a ‘source of the family’, nor is it a ‘source of the police’, this is James Dunn transcribing what Colin Sutton told him.

Exactly what Colin Sutton said a senior friend in the Met had told him.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] has no complaints about what was written in the Daily Mail article, in fact on May 8 he praises the courage of the Daily Mail in publishing the story.

Colin Sutton @colinsutton
Replying to  @McCannCaseTweet
1- I hoped Grange was doing other work in the background; 2- When I decided to speak it took a while to find an MSM outlet who would listen.
10:33 PM · 8 May 2017”

On May 9, in his blog, in a post called “[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]” he starts to correct his hand slightly by saying :

“However, before this, just a few days after the NotW story I did receive a call from a senior officer in the Met whom I knew quite well.  This officer told me I would do better to avoid the McCann investigation if it did happen, because "You wouldn't be happy leading an investigation where you were told what you could look at and what you could not".

That is the totality of the advice I received. It was made clear that this was an ‘unofficial’ call and that it was made in my interest – so that I might not end up taking on a task which would ultimately frustrate me.  As such I never pressed the caller for more information, nor will I ever be in a position to disclose who the officer was.”

Here, the friend no longer says that the ‘narrow focus’ would be to prove Kate, Gerry and Tapas Nine innocent. He just said “an investigation where you were told what you could look at and what you could not”.

But the Daily Mail’s article says: “The source [the high-ranking friend] warned that he would be tasked with proving her parents Kate and Gerry were innocent and ignoring any alternatives to the abduction theory, he [Sutton] claims.”

Either is Mr Sutton is lying in his blog or James Dunn is doing that when he writes that Sutton claims what is said he claimed.

Either one, the other or both have to be accountable for what was written. We will see the importance of this later on.

Sutton confirms in his blog that this conversation took place over the phone as the Mail says it did: “Colin Sutton said a high-ranking friend in the Met called him and warned him not to lead the case when Scotland Yard announced it would get involved in 2010.”

Basically the scenario described by Sutton is that of someone trying to recruit someone to head Operation Grange, apparently one high-ranking Met officer had refused – we don’t know how many others did the same as the article does not clarify that – and that one officer out of friendship called Sutton to warn him how biased such an investigation would be.

We will overlook the friend’s absolute lack of trust in Sutton’s morality demonstrated by that high-ranking Met officer, as he advises against – so admits it possible – Sutton accepting such a morally corrupt investigation.

It seems that he, the one high-ranking Met officer, had the good sense to make the decision of refusing such a task all by himself, so why advise Sutton? Didn’t he trust Sutton to do the same and decide for himself as well?

If that one high-ranking Met officer couldn’t be the recruiter otherwise the scenario would be one of hey pal, I’m going to invite you to accept something which I strongly advise you don’t…


7. Question that was asked

We must confess that once we saw that the headline was on the Daily Mail, we smelled a rat. A huge rat, at that.

But before we debunk this alleged conversation between Sutton and his friend, let’s understand how realistic it is in the first place.

To be a minimally realistic scenario it had to be able to answer this question: was it possible for Operation Grange to have been set up to clear the McCanns?

The answer is an evident no, because if that was possible it would have been closed a long time ago.

And the key words in the sentence above are “if that was possible”.

We are certain that in 2010, a time when no newspaper article online about Maddie and/or the Mccanns accepted any comments from their readers, it would be obvious to whoever would be deciding that the couple was not popular at all as everyone believed they were guilty, at the very least, of neglect and no one believed there was an abduction.

With this background, to pursue a project that would make – note, not attempt to make – the McCanns innocent would be a very serious decision to take.

Whoever was responsible for such a decision, would demand to see with their own eyes how the whole thing could be pulled off.

We, who are familiar with the files, can see immediately that to officially clear the McCanns was, and is, an impossible task.

There is no possible storyline that takes the McCanns out of the picture.

Note that these conversations, briefings or meetings would be circumscribed to the highest political level.

One must remember that by 2010 Team McCann had been able to ‘convince’ the general public that the couple had been cleared by the Portuguese justice system, and whoever tried to say otherwise risked facing the heaviest of libel axes.

In 2010, the Maddie case was an absolute sleeping dog.

Only we in this blog and very few others still spoke about it on the net and the case was tending to dwindle away quite quickly.

So why take such a high unnecessary risk against popular opinion without the absolute certainty of success?

If that certainty existed, then Operation Grange would have lasted only a few months and the McCanns would quickly have been cleared officially by the British justice system and we know that hasn’t happened 6 years after it was launched.

This lapse of time tells us that no one proposed to the higher political echelons a sure-fire way to exonerate the McCanns.

If such was not proposed, as we are certain it wasn’t, the government wouldn’t embarked in such adventure.

But something we do know is that Operation Grange was launched, so it must have been another reason that motivated the government to have done so.


8. Let’s suppose it was possible

But let’s suppose someone found such a possibility – which our intelligence cannot think up – one that would “prove Kate, Gerry and Tapas Nine innocent.”

Then someone has to tell us why on earth would Gamble be forced out by resignation in October?

Note that one of the subtitles of the Mail article says this:

“- [Sutton] Spoke on Sky Documentary based on leaked Home Office report that revealed 'turbulent relationship' between McCanns and police in London and Portugal”

The report requested from Gamble by the Home Office which we spoke of in our post “[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]”.

For some reason the Home office requested such a report from CEOP and not from the Leicestershire Constabulary nor from the Met. It shows clearly that until then Gamble had been the operational leader then with whatever had to do with Maddie.

It showed that it was Gamble, the head of CEOP, who coordinated the various British police forces involved in the Maddie case.

CEOP – Child Exploitation Online Protection was nationally coordinating a case, in which before Robert Murat was named arguido, the only computer involved was one which the Moyes lent to the Gerry for him to use.

So, does it make any sense at all that if the political deciders wanted a biased investigation to clear the McCanns would force off the case – by forcing him out of CEOP on October 2010 - the man who most knew about the case?

No it doesn’t make any sense at all.

And does it make any sense that if the idea was to prove the McCanns innocent that it would be allowed for Kate to write a self-incriminatory book?

A book filled with inconsistencies from what there is on the files?

Of course not, it would be throwing a pile of wood into the bonfire to see the flames grow brighter.

Besides, an attempt to whitewash the McCanns image had already been tried in 2009 with the 2009 Channel 4 Mockumentary with disastrous results.

Who can forget the Gerry/Tanner discrepancy between which side of the street Jez and Gerry were? Jane says it was on the left, Gerry says it’s on the right and Edgar, the referee, informs Jane she is much lower down on the food chain than Gerry, and so decided that it had been on the right even though the files states specifically that it was on the left.

If the idea was to clear the McCanns, their silence would be pivotal.

No book, no interviews, only experts would be allowed to communicate the ‘findings’.

The sleeping dog would be awoken just to be put to sleep as quickly as possible.

Kate’s book is a footprint that will never wash away in this case.

And if the idea was to prove the McCanns innocent, would everything fall silent immediately after Operation Grange was launched?

Kate aged years in those days, the Sun did not serialise the book as it had promised to do, Operation Grange said absolutely nothing and Maddie and the McCanns were wiped from the media for months with the exception of a piece about the Indian Maddie – remember her? – in July if we’re not mistaken.

If the issue had been studied as it surely would have been, then a well-oiled and coordinated machine would be rolling smoothly as planned.

But the contrary happened. It was evident from day one that something went immediately wrong with Grange.

That can only mean one thing: whatever was intended was quickly realised was not possible. And that realisation came after the operation was launched.


9. Question that was not asked

We believe that happened because the real the remit of Operation Grange was the exact opposite of what Collin Sutton has stated: it was to prove Kate, Gerry and Tapas Nine were guilty.

To be logical and coherent, if the remit was what we say it was, to prove the T9 guilty, a similar question would have to have been asked like the one we spoke of before: was it possible for Operation Grange to have been set up to find the McCanns guilty?

We believe such a question was indeed asked and it was answered almost immediately: of course!

After all, in September 2007 the McCanns were literally yanked out of Portugal because there was more than enough evidence to condemn them if there had not been any political interference as we know there was.

The FSS report had to do a sudden U-turn on forensics and produce something totally specious.

So when that question was asked and got a very quick and assertive answer, the questions stopped being about whether the objective was reachable but about how and where and when to achieve it.

As Rebekah Brooks was involved in the process, we are certain David Cameron was convinced that the 4th anniversary would be best for dramatic effects.

In this scenario “let’s get the McCanns”, forcing Gamble off the boat makes sense. He worked for those protecting the couple and so represented an obstacle rather than any sort of added value.

Kate’s book also makes sense. As said above, it was highly self-incriminatory and would serve as further evidence against the evil couple.

So, those of us who followed the case in 2010/2011, the commemorations of that 4th anniversary started around the last quarter of 2010, with the announcement of the book being written and then all went into a crescendo, a noticeable one, through the first 4 months of 2011 in anticipation of the publication of the book.

And then it was published.

And it was a dud.

Why?

Because as we have explained in our post “[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]” the 2010/2011 Deciders were not that same ones and most of the ‘monkeys’ who had fought valiantly for the other side had either left or were different.

What no one remembered in 2010 to ask was the most essential question: is it possible to prove the T9 guilty, them and only them?

The answer, is no, it’s not possible.

And that was what it was painfully discovered AFTER they launched Operation Grange.


10. The stalemate

We think Cameron walked off the ‘podium’ after announcing Grange and told May, right, go get and charge them.

What immense political gains he would get from arresting the vile McCanns and close once and for all the Maddie case!

May, we think, in turn turned to Bernard Hogan-Howe and told him the same, and so down the hierarchy went down the message went, until it reached the person who sat at the computer and was tasked to type the charges.

Then, that person asked their superior what exactly the charges were and the superior replied oh, for God’s sake charge them with having killed Maddie and then… then that they took the body… the body to… hmmm, let me see… the body… ooops, we have a major problem! Let me ask my boss.

And up the hierarchy the question went and no one was able to answer it.

Thus the stalemate of 2011.

The McCanns suddenly realised they were being hunted which made Kate McCann age in days the equivalent of years when she realised she had been fooled into writing her own entrapment.

The other side quickly realised the true remit was to hunt the McCanns and were reeling by it.

The government found itself with a problem that it couldn’t solve.

No one knew what to do and no one did anything.


11. The first signs

We on the blog saw that the tide was turning in 2010 when the 6-cleaner story broke out. It was the first time someone outside the T9 was being involved in the case.

The other side responded and played a very, very high card: the make-up photo.

It’s not by chance that this photo appears only in 2010.

The problem for the other side was that the government misunderstood its message, or better said, failed to see the full picture, so to speak.

It misunderstood the message to the point of thinking there was no problem at all in continuing and so decided to do so  and let’s go get the McCanns operation it had set out to launch was fired away… and ooops.

We apologise to our readers but this little bit is for only a very few readers who we know fully understand us and please do not ask us to expand it any further.


12. Colin Sutton and the truth

All we have mentioned above shows very clearly that Colin Sutton is being very economical with the truth when he says that the objective of Operation Grange was to prove the McCanns innocent.

If one reads the opening paragraph of his blog, one can see that truth is not exactly his main objective:

“At the outset I should say that I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann.  All the evidence available to me – and there is more and deeper information available to the public on this than any case I have looked at – does not convince me of any theory or scenario being proved.  Soon, in the coming months when my other projects are less busy, I hope to take a proper analytical look at it all and come up with some conclusions.  But as things stand my position is that I don't know.”

Anyone minimally interested in the case and it seems he has read a lot about it “All the evidence available to me – and there is more and deeper information available to the public on this than any case I have looked at” may speculate on how, why, when, where and by whose hand Maddie died but there’s one absolute certainty: Maddie is dead.

“I don't know what happened to Madeleine McCann”, says Sutton.

Everyone genuinely seeking the truth knows Maddie is dead. It has been said in headlines and no one has been sued or threatened to be sued because of it.

Where is it all leading? Is Sutton really expressing genuine doubts about the exclusion of the McCanns as potential suspects?

Will Sutton and Horrocks reach a meeting of minds on the case or is it about self-publicity, with both eventually claiming they would have been able to solve the case if Operation Grange reaches no conclusions?

Forgive our scepticism, but when something just doesn’t feel right, we say so.


13. The role of Sutton

We think Sutton has 2 objectives.

His main one, and in which he was successful we will speak of in a later post, when we will speak about the BBC Panorama programme.

His second objective was as we said, to undermine the Operation Grange degrading by its credibility.

We recommend readers to read our post “[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]” to understand that it would help pass the message that the McCanns have been punished enough and as Operation Grange was a mess from its start, best say that things are out of control and the best thing is to archive the whole thing and restart with a confidential process that will only move along in case there’s new evidence.

To have Operation Grange do after 6 years what the Portuguese did after 18 months.


14. The libellous Sutton

Now, it must be said that Colin Sutton may bring some very consequences onto himself as what he is saying is that David Cameron and Theresa May launched a morally corrupt investigation intentionally.

That’s libellous.

The reader may say that Gamble did worse by calling May a liar under oath on Panorama.

As we will explain when we do a post on the BBC Panorama post, neither Gamble or May lied.

In fact, that may have been be the most important moment of the entire Panorama programme.

But Colin Sutton is clearly libelling May and Cameron.

Maybe, or probably, that’s the reason why he backs off in the article by the Australian 9news by Mark Saunokonoko, published May 15 2017 “[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]”:

“In 2010, with planning underway to launch Operation Grange, Sutton received a phone tip off from “a very senior Metropolitan police officer”, warning him about the looming investigation and how it would be handled.

The insider told Sutton, who served 30 years with London's Met before retiring in 2011, that the dozens of murder detectives assigned to Operation Grange would be instructed where they could and couldn't look.

“I immediately assumed that what was meant was that the [McCann] family and Tapas 7 [the group of seven friends on holiday with the McCanns] were a no-go area,” Sutton said.”

Sutton now assumes, and is no longer certain, that the “You wouldn't be happy leading an investigation where you were told what you could look at and what you could notwas about proving the McCanns being innocent, so he could be wrong, after all assumptions are just assumptions.


15. Conclusion

We continue to urge people to be very wary of the many Pied Pipers that abound.

In terms of the game, it seems to be going well.

The Panorama programme was a very interesting move but we will leave that for a future post.



POST SCRIPTUM:

We would like readers to watch the following video, although all of it is interesting to watch, from 02:29 onwards:


We would say that Sutton, who according to his own words got to know in 2010, that the Operation Grange was totally biased in proving the innocence of the McCanns and their friends, was strangely optimistic and rather cooperative with the circus Operation Grange had set up in Luz in 2014.

Also interesting to read the following exchange of [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]:

SilverLining @Ev3ryCloud
Replying to @Ev3ryCloud and @YouTube
@colinsutton How come you were in PDL 2014 for dig for Madeleine [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Thought you only involved past few months for interviews/skydocu?

 “Colin Sutton @colinsutton
Replying to @Ev3ryCloud and @YouTube
I was working with ITV news, on procedures and what was happening there and then, not discussing 2007.
11:00 PM · 18 May 2017”


The video is from the Telegraph but Sutton says clearly on his tweets that then, in 2014, he was working for ITV.

In 2017 it's the Daily Mail giving him visibility.

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Post by willowthewisp 21.05.17 15:59

Hi GoGetEmGoncalo,so Colin Sutton,who was "Advised"to not become involved with Operation Grange wonderfully written Remit 2010?
you can deduce just how much Mr Sutton has dedicated time to evaluate Madeleine McCann's disappearance since his retirement.
2010 Retires from Police Force,Actively involved with ITV 2014 then appears in the Broadcast video(Operation Grange)2012-13?
Now since January 2017 has become to the forefront of most of the "Red Tops",Operation Grange-Remit,some what strange for a "Person Advised"not to become involved in Operation Grange,to then suddenly Pop Up in so many situations with regard to Madeleine McCann's reported disappearance 3 May 2007?
People will come up with the idea,that Mr Sutton never actually retired but was able to work,surreptitiously behind the scenes?
which is not uncommon to the Metropolitan Police force,only if your a reporter trying to obtain information of Police undercover Work and the Malpractice affecting the work,Dead babies Names addresses,etc?
What is your Modus Operandi,Mr Colin Sutton?
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Post by Tony Bennett 21.05.17 17:32

Get'emGonçalo wrote:

Friday, 19 May 2017









New knight in town









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1. Introduction

“A man [or anybody for that matter] is known by the company he keeps” – Aesop

We have waited to see who Ian Horrocks was associated with before giving an opinion on his latest opining about what happened to Maddie in a post called exactly “[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]” on a website called BGP-Global services.

If dung was truffles, Horrocks’ production would be auctioned at Sothebys for an absurd amount of money such would be the competition to get the hands on such a rare, exquisite and refined piece of crap.

Before too long, on May 4th, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] was retweeting Horrocks latest offering.

Not surprisingly, Summers and Swann are also following Horrocks on Twitter...

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This post, which I've snipped, was of course from Textusa.

I would like to thank both Textusa and Anne Guedes.

Textusa I will thank for finding for us the video of Colin Sutton pontificating (well, saying nothing at all actually) about the Madeleine case, sent to Portugal for the 2014 'dig', and paid good money and expenses for doing so. It becomes clearer than ever that this man is what is known as 'a safe pair of hands'. A man who will say exactly what the media want him to say.

I also want to thank Anne Guedes for her analysis of Sutton's pronouncements which appear to show a degree of inconsistency. Textusa has reproduced her analysis in the post above: "New Knight in Town".   

I am afraid it tends to reinforce my earlier view that Sutton is basically a prostitute.

When I first mentioned this word in connection with Sutton, there was some consternation. Verdi, however, quickly produced this dictionary definition of a prosttuue:

"to sell oneself (artistic or moral integrity) for low or unworthy purposes".

Today I found another definition:

"to put (oneself or one's talents) to an unworthy or corrupt use or purpose for the sake of personal or financial gain.

These are the facts about Sutton.

1. He says he was clearly warned by 'a very senior Met Police Officer' in 2010 that Operation Grange was a corrupt investigation from the start in that (a) it had a limited remit and (b) it would rule out the McCanns as suspects to be investigated.

2. Despite this, he accepted 30 pieces of silver from the media the following year (2011) for commenting on what he then represented as a genuine investigation

3. We now know (thanks to Textusa) that he did the same again in 2014 when he went out for another week in Portugal - again offering his very bland views on the case and never a word about being warned that this was a seriously flawed investigation from the start

4. Once again he did the same thing this year, being quoted by the media making more bland comments on the case.  

Despite all of the above, he has had the effrontery more recently to claim that he 'doesn't really know much about the case' and 'hasn't looked into it in depth' etc. etc.

Prior to being outed as CMOMM member 'oatlandish' back on 22 April, the forum owner asked Sutton what his opinion on the case was. This was his reply:

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He defended himself on the forum by saying he was really interested in the case and would be coming here to comment after the SKY News show about Madeleine McCann. He was subject to a certain amount of criticism by CMOMM members who doubted his sincerity.

He then, IIRC on 3 May, appeared on SKY News in an interview with Martin Brunt where he made these statements:

A. A very senior police office in the Met had told him that Operation Grange would not be a proper, normal review/investigation i.e it would have a limited remit and the McCanns would be 100% ruled out of any involvement whatsoever in Madeleine's disappearance

B. There were inconsistencies in the statements of the McCanns and their Tapas 7 statements which needed to be looked at.

This prompted great admiration from forum members, like this comment from 'onspirespirit':

"I thought he was excellent last night. Very fair. Well done Colin. Maybe some people owe him an apology. They were very quick to judge, even when he asked them to wait and see the Sky documentary before forumulating an opinion".

Well, I am not going to offer Sutton an apology. Yes, he made the above comments, and for those I will give him one cheer.

But regarding comment (A) above, we have no proof of what was said to him, and by whom. Moreover, despite what he says he was told in 2010, he went on the telly time after time, taking media money and expenses to basically tow the party line. And let it be noted that he only came out with those statements to Brunt after he had been taken to task first here on CMOMM. Was he embarrassed perhaps that he had said nothing about Grange being a flawed investigation for seven whole years?

Regarding comment (B) above, it is as weak as he could possibly make it. Sutton spent most of the day on the forum a few weeks back reading most of PeteMac's e-book. Sutton must know that there are not 'some inconsistencies' but dirty great big contradictions and changes of story all over the place. 

No, Sutton is little different from the others in that 'Coterie of Shame' that he seems to belong to, or 'The Gamble Network'...Mark Williams-Thomas, Dr Joe Sullivan, Ian Horrocks etc. etc.

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Finally, reverting to Textusa's post, he started off well.

But half-way down his convoluted mind dreamed up the idea that, all along, Operation Grange was a cunning plan by David Cameron, Theresa May and Bernard Hogan-Howe to 'get the McCanns'.

As with all the stuff about vertical lines in Gerry's sunglasses in the Last Photo, it's a useful reminder of the sheer rubbish he can spout at ttimes.

And he still insists, over 10 years on, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that Madeleine died suddenly after 6pm on Thursday 3 May, and that they all planned and executed an exotic abduction hoax before 10pm the same evening, most of which was spent enjoying tapas and alcohol in the Tapas restaurant.             


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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by MayMuse 21.05.17 17:53

It was a tweeter who found the video & directed questions to Colin Sutton. Textusa then used the tweeters information in the blog.

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Post by MayMuse 21.05.17 20:42

New info over on Textusa... addendum 

Top cop spearheads new probe into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

By Lucy Panton, NoW Crime Editor

BRITAIN'S top murder cop has been lined up to spearhead a new probe into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, we can reveal.

Det Chief Insp Colin Sutton,
 49, who has been involved in some of the UK's biggest inquiries - including the murder of Milly Dowler and the terror reign of the Nightstalker sex beast - is seen as the best man to handle the challenging review.

Senior child protection officer Jim Gamble has asked Scotland Yard to take a fresh look at the three-year investigation.

He blasted Portuguese cops for their handling of the hunt for Maddie - who vanished aged three from her family's Algarve holiday apartment in 2007. Now the Met Police are set to review all leads in the case, using technology and standards expected in a UK homicide or kidnap.

It will delight Maddie's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann. A senior police source said: "They deserve reassurance that everything that can be done has been done."


in News of the World 09.05.2010

Interesting to see that as early as May 2010, Jim Gamble ASKS for an investigation from the Met and the article seem to imply he WANTED none other that Det Chief Insp Colin Sutton to lead it.

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Post by Tony Bennett 21.05.17 21:13

MayMuse wrote:
Top cop spearheads new probe into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

By Lucy Panton, NoW Crime Editor

BRITAIN'S top murder cop has been lined up to spearhead a new probe into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, we can reveal.

Det Chief Insp Colin Sutton, 49, who has been involved in some of the UK's biggest inquiries - including the murder of Milly Dowler and the terror reign of the Nightstalker sex beast - is seen as the best man to handle the challenging review.
Surely this article settles the issue beyond doubt.

Colin Sutton was Jim Gamble's chosen one.

For Gamble to have chosen Sutton means he knew Sutton well, and knew he was the right man for the job because Gamble knew he would do whatever he was told to.

And no doubt he would have done but for that 'phone call from one of Britain's top detectives telling him that the investigation was seriously flawed and would exonerate the McCanns before he even started.

He was paid by the media for a week or two in Portugal in 2007.

And in 2014.

And in 2017.

He only starts speaking about a flawed Met Police investigation after he is robustly challenged on CMOMM.

As for Gamble, he was side by side with the McCanns from Day One, meeting with Gerry McCann in London in May 2007, demanding people send him their holiday snaps, sending out his men to frustrate the Portuguese investigation.

That is if he didn't knock up a dummy Madeleine McCann page for the CEOP website on Monday 30 April - three days before the McCanns cried 'Abduction!'

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Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Tony Bennett wrote:Surely this article settles the issue beyond doubt.

Colin Sutton was Jim Gamble's chosen one.
I posted the entire article at the beginning of this month - this is it..


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He blasted [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] for their handling of the hunt for Maddie - who vanished aged three from her family's Algarve [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in 2007. Now the Met Police are set to review all leads in the case, using technology and standards expected in a UK homicide or kidnap.

It will delight Maddie's parents, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. A senior police source said: "They deserve reassurance that everything that can be done has been done."
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Post by willowthewisp 22.05.17 16:03

So yet Once again"Big Jim Gamble" and Cronies(Brunt,Sutton)(Brunt,Gamble Brenda Leyland) smearing finger prints associated for the past seven Years-Operation Grange,Remit,Theresa May,David Cameron,Rebekah Brooks?
Do not for get where Big Jim was a Time Served Irish Policeman,know anything about Kincora Boys Care Home,eh,Big Jim,did you lend any books to any associates for their perusal in 2007!?
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Post by Liz Eagles 22.05.17 18:14

There are a lot of people applauding Colin Sutton for his bravery in talking to the media and dropping in what is in fact hearsay and according to Colin Sutton will never be substantiated or revealed. Of course it wouldn't be hearsay if Colin Sutton were to blow a whistle and reveal the name of the senior police officer who allegedly called him to warn him off the Operation Grange gig and it's strange to me that whistle blowing extends itself into retirement.

For now, it's all fluff but fluff is the essence of every agency surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

I sincerely hope Colin Sutton enjoys his retirement and new found media career but most of all I hope with all my heart that the fluff goes away and someone has the guts to tell the truth and blow a whistle, especially those retired senior police officers who supposedly investigated crime without fear or favour. That includes you Jim Gamble.
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