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Colin Sutton from the horse's mouth

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Colin Sutton from the horse's mouth

Post by Verity on 13.11.17 22:19

Courtesy of Alan Vinnicombe





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Colin Sutton from the horse's mouth,

Message from ....
Colin Sutton former YT, DD, JL, NH, NI, 1HQ, JC, SCD1 at Met Police.
Colin was a Senior Investigating Officer in the Metropolitan Police from 2003 - 2011.
We here at Abscam were pleasantly surprised when retired Met detective Colin Sutton commented recently and gave his thoughts on my post about Operation Grange, to get information from the horse's mouth, not what he said to MSM. I spoke with him and can vouch for the following....
I pointed out it was wrong not to begin with interviewing the inner circle first (tapas9) choosing instead to run around chasing shadows, bit of a shock as he doesn't seem to write replies to the MM forums.
I thought like many he was maybe slightly pushed into disclosing that the remit was and still is not to interview the Tapas 9, here's his reply....
''Much of this post makes sense Alan.
A couple of things I would add to it, nobody told me to say or not say anything I promise, as always I say it how I see it''.
He went on to tell us he saw the secret report that Sky uncovered and interesting that the combined UK police view after only 4 days was already concluded .........
''And I saw the copy of the report. To me, a very interesting thing was when the Gold Group was formed on 8th May 2007 their terms of reference described the incident as an abduction. Which might have been careless use of language or might have shown a mindset at that early stage''.
Some will wonder about his motives, personally I believe the new revelations he has told me today. It's not in the Sun or on Sky, only you here on our group have this information direct from Colin himself.
I wrote...
"Hi Colin. Sorry to trouble you but a lot of the members are asking me why you waited for the 10-year Sky programme to tell us the Grange remit and not before?"
Colin Sutton...
''It wasn’t for lack of trying. I had mentioned it to journalists from many different outlets but nobody was prepared to use it''
So you see he had the same problem as us, no one would touch anything anti-McCann. Now a lot of you that have written letters and emails know that sentiment only too well.
I asked Colin how he manages to, at last, get it to the public attention after getting no joy for years?
C.S. "Until Sky asked me if I had an idea for a new angle to explore for the anniversary."
So there you are Sky were looking for something new to say and they got it thanks to CS!
Finally, Colin, you were not coerced in any way to release the remit?
C.S. "Nobody told me to say it!''
There you are, that's what he told me directly. I hope it's useful to you.
Interesting that CS can see the mindset is in place before proper police procedures have been implemented.
So you ask what is the Gold Group? that Colin mentions
The Madeleine McCann co-ordinating group set up after 8th May 2007 under the Chairmanship of Leicestershire Constabulary's Head, Mr Matt Baggott, former head of Leicestershire Police at the time Madeleine McCann was reported missing.
Mr Baggott reported to the Leverson inquiry ''On 8 May 2007 Leicestershire Constabulary was asked to co-ordinate the UK response to assist the Portuguese enquiry on behalf of the UK Government and Association of Chief Police Officers. The Gold Strategy set on this date established that it was a Portuguese-led enquiry and that all actions would comply with requirements of Portuguese law including their Judicial Secrecy Act.
Due to the unprecedented media interest in the UK, a co-ordination group was set up on behalf of law enforcement agencies and government departments to coordinate the media interaction and ensure that a consistent stance was taken. This co-orders group was chaired by the Head of Corporate Communications from Leicestershire Constabulary.
That group has continued to meet as required since 2007. Due to the thirst for information from the media, every individual working in Leicestershire supporting the police investigation signed a confidentiality agreement.
"Messages were also disseminated to all staff to make them aware that even private conversations with friends could be reported on in the media."
The confidentiality agreement was something that was put together by the Gold group who were running the enquiry as part of the U.K. effort.
The gold formed after just 4 days at enormous cost, for a child that could turn up at anytime, this was almost war footing and the main aim was it seems a blanket of silence, from a constable to dog handlers to chief constables and you wonder why there's no interviews in the MSM unless sanctioned as in favour of the McCanns?
***Disclaimer***
"I have Colin Sutton's permission to share this conversation/interview with the members of the AbScam Facebook group, even though it was conducted privately."
https://www.facebook.com/groups/253706621672502/permalink/517845251925303/
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Re: Colin Sutton from the horse's mouth

Post by April28th on 13.11.17 22:49

@Verity wrote:
''It wasn’t for lack of trying. I had mentioned it to journalists from many different outlets but nobody was prepared to use it''

Colin seems au fait with Twitter
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Re: Colin Sutton from the horse's mouth

Post by Verdi on 14.11.17 0:57

I'm a self confessed troglodyte but even I've been hooked up with the internet since the 1990's.

Where has Mr Sutton been hiding - the lawless hills of Praia da Luz?

The internet was buzzing with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from the very beginning, after a mass fallout of the less creditable fora and blogs, CMoMM was established by Jill Havern which has since become the most read, followed and serious venue available to people across the continents.

Contentious issues have been and still are discussed freely on CMoMM so where are the restrictions that prevented Mr Sutton from speaking out prior to April 2017?  You don't need the media to get the message out there - nobody with any degree of savvy takes much notice of them anyway.

Mr Sutton had every opportunity to reveal this pearly of wisdom but he left it until the 10th anniversary to say his piece, which incidentally has never been verified.

Mr Sutton even registered with CMoMM, encouraging members and guest readers to anticipate an elaboration of his claim and his general participation in forum discussion.  It never happened!

The internet is his oyster, he can write a blog or start a forum just like Jill Havern - I'm sure it would attract a comparable membership if he has so much to offer by way of inside information.  He could produce videos like Richard D Hall. He could write an e-book like PeterMac - admittedly there's no money to be made by these primitive methods but it sure gets the message out there.    All supposing the claim he made about a 'source' giving him the tip-off about leading Operation Grange, is in fact true!  Unless the 'source' comes forward to confirm the claim, I guess we will never know.

Or maybe he just prefers to keep a safe distance where nobody can ask direct awkward questions.

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Re: Colin Sutton from the horse's mouth

Post by Verdi on 14.11.17 1:01

"Nobody was prepared to use it" ???

Smacks to me of a money making venture.

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