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Post by jeanmonroe 13.03.17 10:40

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

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MADDIE PROBE SLAMMED Good Morning Britain viewers in meltdown over ‘ridiculous’ £11.1 million bill for the Madeleine McCann investigation as top cop declares it is a waste of money.

Piers Morgan debated the case as it was revealed police are getting another £85,000 to continue hunt a decade after the youngster vanished

By Louise Randell, Senior Showbiz Reporter

13th March 2017, 8:58 am  Updated: 13th March 2017, 9:45 am

GOOD Morning Britain viewers went into meltdown today as they vented their fury over the “ridiculous” £11.1 million which has been spent on the hunt for Madeleine McCann.

Piers Morgan debated the case on the show today as it was revealed police are getting another £85,000 to prop up the probe – a decade after the youngster disappeared in Portugal.

Piers Morgan led the debate on Good Morning Britain today
Funding for the case has been extended for another six months, and the move was a hot topic on Good Morning Britain today.

Piers and his co-host Susanna Reid debated the issue with retired Met police officer Sue Hill, Dr Graham Hill, who worked on the investigation, and Karen Danczuk.

Top cop Sue declared the huge bill is a waste of taxpayers’ money – and urged the force to finally “put sentiment aside”.

She said: “Knowing how many undetected murders there are here in London… sometimes you have to put sentiment to one side and say enough is enough.”

Retired police officer Sue Hill is convinced the force needs to put ‘sentiment aside’
Viewers were left furious as it emerged the investigation has cost more than £11 million so far since Maddie, three, vanished in 2007.

Fans took to Twitter to insist police resources had been stretched far enough by the case – and many suggested other missing child cases have been underfunded in comparision to the Maddie probe.

One outraged viewer wrote: “Glad that @gmb are covering the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] funding. This case is being over-resourced, yet again. Taxpayers aren’t happy.”

Another added: “11.1m on the search for [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] is ridiculous…”

McCanns believe Maddie's alive

Dr Graham Hill claimed the original investigation was 'botched'

A third tweeted: "[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] When Do We [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Really? Im [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] For The Families Of This Girl But What About Other [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Who Have [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]?"

Another added: "Oi I'm not being funny but if I was abducted in Benidorm when I was 8, my mum would not have got 11m quid to look for me [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]."

TV detective claims Maddie McCann knew where parents were and went looking for them

The funding bump comes after it emerged cops are chasing a new lead as they hunt for a a former employee of the resort where Maddie disappeared.

British police want to seek to a Portuguese man who worked at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

The unnamed man had previously been interviewed by cops desperate to track down Maddie, but now they have reason to believe he may hold more key info.

A Portuguese police source told The Mirror: "British officers are very keen to question him and are convinced he knows more than he was previously saying.

“They are not suggesting he stole Maddie but he may know people who could have been involved."
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"“They are not suggesting he stole Maddie but he may know people who could have been involved."

What 'happens' IF 'he' tells the British Police officers, "I believe I know who could have been involved, with Madeleine's disappearance, it was the Mcs and their 7 'friends'"?


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Post by Guest 13.03.17 10:46

They are desperately trying to create a new narrative.

Neglect and abduction.

They think that the public may be satisfied it the McCanns get a slap on the wrist.
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Post by JulieC 13.03.17 10:50

suzyjohnson wrote:“They are not suggesting he stole Maddie but he may know people who could have been involved after a burglary went wrong. The investigation in Britain seems to be grinding to a halt and they want to rule him out of the case if not rule him in.'' ............. ???


'' ........they are taking the new lead so seriously that top Whitehall ­officials are being briefed on its progress, it is ­understood.'' ................... ???


Why would Whitehall be interested in a Portuguese tapas bar worker that might possibly know something about a burglary gone wrong?


That's exactly what I was thinking. Truly astonishing statement.
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Post by jeanmonroe 13.03.17 10:57

"..........they are taking the new lead so seriously that top Whitehall ­officials are being briefed on its progress"
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What 'department' at Whitehall is being 'briefed' on 'progress'?

I believe ANY Whitehall 'department' is subject to FOI 'requests'. (istbc)

Anyone 'know' what Whitehall 'department/officials' we are 'talking about'?
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Post by Tony Bennett 13.03.17 11:10

jeanmonroe wrote:Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

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MADDIE PROBE SLAMMED Good Morning Britain viewers in meltdown over ‘ridiculous’ £11.1 million bill for the Madeleine McCann investigation as top cop declares it is a waste of money.

Piers Morgan debated the case as it was revealed police are getting another £85,000 to continue hunt a decade after the youngster vanished...

Dr Graham Hill claimed the original investigation was 'botched'
Dr Graham Hill features on page 6 of our 'ROGUES GALLERY' thread: 

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He is one of a group of ex-police officers, self-styled 'criminologists', psychologists and the like who are regarded as 'a safe pair of hands', i.e. can be relied on to push whatever the current message is.

To name some of the others: Jim Gamble, Dr Joe Sullivan and Mark Williams-Thomas.

I expect we will hear more from them in the coming weeks...

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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"

Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".  

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Post by Mirage 13.03.17 11:11

Gonçalo Amaral:April 2016:

"I have no doubts whatsoever, what was done by Scotland Yard is practically at an end. What they wanted to do was basically to, and I had said this before, was to in a certain way to give credence to the couple and remove all suspicions that existed concerning the couple. They did a reconstitution here in Portugal, not with the couple but with actors; constituted a series of arguidos that have nothing to do with the case, just for the sake of constituting arguidos; they followed a number of false leads. Now they have reached an end, after having spent a lot of money, maybe there isn't any more money to spend, perhaps the British public fund may not support such expenditure. And it will be archived, I can't see the Judiciary Police resuming the investigation when Scotland Yard ends theirs. In the end, the process was re-opened almost only and by the Scotland Yard, and when they leave the process will be archived just like before."
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Post by Doug D 13.03.17 11:30

From Jeanmonroe’s post above:
 
By Louise Randell, Senior Showbiz Reporter
   
Looks about right.
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Post by ChippyM 13.03.17 11:36

Roxyroo wrote:Wow, just wow. AT LAST! Taxpayers being angry is mentioned! Now we're getting somewhere, don't know where but its one plus to us.

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I don't believe that's a victory. If people are sick of money being wasted on a case that is seemingly going no-where, it fits in with sweeping the whole thing under the carpet.

  If the UK's best police force have spent millions of hard earned tax payers money and got no-where, this will lead to people being more accepting of Operation Grange closing after having found nothing. The narrative will be that they tried everything, even with all that money and they couldn't solve it....IMO.

 It's similar to all those child abuse inquiries where they appointed people who resigned or were unsuitable to lead the inquiry...it's a farce people said, they were sick of it and didn't want to here any more about it!
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Post by jeanmonroe 13.03.17 11:38

"And it will be archived, I can't see the Judiciary Police resuming the investigation when Scotland Yard ends theirs. In the end, the process was re-opened almost only and by the Scotland Yard, and when they leave the process will be archived just like before."
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LOVELY!

All those PJ 'second investigation' (and the MET Police 'co-operation' or 'not') files 'released' into the public domain!

I can't wait!
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Post by Doug D 13.03.17 11:41

'MCCANNS GOT SPECIAL TREATMENT'
 
MATTHEW Wright claims that parents of missing children have been “short-changed” by the Government after they ploughed millions of pounds in to looking for Madeline McCann… and only £2,500 on other missing children.
 
Speaking on today’s The Wright Stuff, the 51-year-old discussed the new £85,000 cash injection given to Kate and Gerry McCann [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
 
He explained: “The money has got to be interesting to the wider public.
“This follows the £10m fund that David Cameron ordered was ‘ring fenced’ specifically to help find her.
“£10m got nowhere over the past two years – £85k in comparison does sound like a last roll of the dice.
 
“It doesn’t sound like it well get much further than this final investigation.
 
Police want to quiz an ex-employee of the holiday resort where Maddie McCann disappeared in 2007
“It is an extraordinary case and extraordinary amount of money – it’s heartbreaking for all concerned.”
Maddy is believed to have been snatched aged 3 from her parents’ holiday apartment while they had a dinner with friends on the other side of the resort.
 
She was left sleeping alone with her toddler twin siblings, who survived the mysterious incident unharmed.
Matthew then presented some key facts that made the huge sums spent looking for the missing child look even more extreme.
He said: “Three hundred children go missing and are not found again in the UK every year, and on average the police expenditure on each child that isn’t found is £2,500.
“Other missing kid’s parents have been short changed by us, the Government, the police.
 
Kate and Gerry McCann are desperately trying to keep the search for Madeleine alive
“The search continues and more threats of writs from the McCann parents…
“I think there was even some talk about them taking action again Karen Matthews.
“That seems to me like the last thing people should focus on when their child is missing.”
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Post by jeanmonroe 13.03.17 11:52

'interesting' from the 'scum'

"Maddy is believed to have been snatched aged 3 from her parents’ holiday apartment while they had a dinner with friends on the other side of the resort."

"...the OTHER SIDE of the resort"

They WERE certainly the 'other' side of the wall, of the 'walled off' OC 'complex' weren't they?

Bit 'different' from their 'usual' guff about 'being just a few yards from apartment', 'in the back garden', 'very, very, near to' 'close by' etc.,

Now if the 'scum' could now 'provide' irrefutable, indisputable, PROOF, that Madeleine WAS 'snatched' from her apartment, by ANYONE, I'd be 'impressed'!
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Post by Guest 13.03.17 12:00

Watch The Wright Stuff video - it's a total non-event, another campaign ruse to act as a distraction.

When the going gets tough, they always revert to a comparison between police resources allocated to the case of Madeleine McCann and other missing children - never any answers. just the same old questions.  They should be asking why Operation Grange?  Madeleine McCann disappeared from Portuguese territory, the Portuguese authorities did and still do, have primacy over the case, not the UK.  Even if the Met Police find a wandering suspect, dead or alive, they are in no position to act as the investigative force.

They've done it again - and it's working.

I feel a very extravagant flambo[u]yant 10th anniversary in the course of preparation.  That'll keep the 'trolls' [sic.] occupied for a few months.

Ever had the feeling you're being played?
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Post by Mirage 13.03.17 12:03

jeanmonroe wrote:'interesting' from the 'scum'

"Maddy is believed to have been snatched aged 3 from her parents’ holiday apartment while they had a dinner with friends on the other side of the resort."

"...the OTHER SIDE of the resort"

Bit 'different' from their 'usual' guff about 'being just a few yards from apartment', 'in the back garden', 'very, very, near to' 'close by' etc.,

Now if the 'scum' could now 'provide' irrefutable, indisputable, PROOF, that Madeleine WAS 'snatched' from her apartment, by ANYONE, I'd be 'impressed'!
Or put another way: a bit further than Gerry McCann said. And that was in itself quite an admission from troll-finder general Brunt.
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Post by Guest 13.03.17 12:15

Daily Express - breaking news

'Last roll of dice' Funding boost as Maddie McCann detectives probe 'important' new lead

DETECTIVES investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will take "one last throw of the dice" after a fresh tip-off suggested she was kidnapped by a European trafficking gang.


By [url=http://www.express.co.uk/search/?s= Ross]Ross Logan[/url]

PUBLISHED:  09:20, Sun, Dec 4, 2016   | UPDATED: 13:36, Sun, Dec 4, 2016

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Maddie police launch ‘global hunt’ for hotel worker who 'kept secrets' from investigators

British police have described the search as a “last role of the dice” in the hunt for the missing girl, who was last seen in a Portuguese resort in 2007.

A WORLDWIDE manhunt has been launched for a former hotel worker who is suspected of withholding information in the search for Madeleine McCann.


By [url=http://www.express.co.uk/search/?s= Joey]Joey Millar[/url]

PUBLISHED:  09:12, Mon, Mar 13, 2017   | UPDATED: 10:33, Mon, Mar 13, 2017


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Post by sandancer 13.03.17 13:58

Last roll of the​ dice !
What​ game​ are​ they playing ?

Cluedo ?

Monopoly ?

Isn't there​ a game​ called " craps " ?

Maybe the scam with​ the 3 cups​ and​ the ball ?

Do they​ come up with these​ " ideas " in the local casino over​ boozy 3 hour lunches whilst " sardine munching " ? 

What comes​ next " we used a Ouija board " ( which was developed​ as a Victorian Parlour​ game ) 

Important new lead , kept secrets​ , may or may not be involved ?l

Is the next visit​ ( jaunt ) to Portugal​ looming ?

10th anniversary certainly​ is , got to keep the McCanns on the​ front page so they'll ignore​ everything​ else that's going​ on ! 

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Madeleine McCann inquiry extended
13 Mar 2017

Extra funding has been granted to extend the Madeleine McCann investigation until September.

The Home Office has allocated another £85,000 to Operation Grange, which is being conducted by the Metropolitan Police Service.

The money will be used to cover operational costs and brings the investigation’s total budget to £11.1 million.

Officers are reportedly still keen to interview a suspect who gave a witness statement shortly after Madeleine disappeared in 2007.

A Home Office spokesperson said: “Following an application from the Metropolitan Police Service for Special Grant funding the Home Office has confirmed £85,000 in operational costs for Operation Grange for the period between April 1 until September 2017.

“As with all applications, the required resources are reviewed regularly and careful consideration is given before any new funding is allocated.”
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Madeleine McCann inquiry extended
13 Mar 2017

Extra funding has been granted to extend the Madeleine McCann investigation until September.

The Home Office has allocated another £85,000 to Operation Grange, which is being conducted by the Metropolitan Police Service.

The money will be used to cover operational costs and brings the investigation’s total budget to £11.1 million.

Officers are reportedly still keen to interview a suspect who gave a witness statement shortly after Madeleine disappeared in 2007.
Oh,no mention of the Two Crime Watch programmes and how much they have cost,not to mention the discrepancies shown to the public,Smithman/Creche Dad,still having the pyjamas his daughter was wearing and what he was attired in that evening,eh DCS Andy Redwood?
A Home Office spokesperson said: “Following an application from the Metropolitan Police Service for Special Grant funding the Home Office has confirmed £85,000 in operational costs for Operation Grange for the period between April 1 until September 2017.

“As with all applications, the required resources are reviewed regularly and careful consideration is given before any new funding is allocated.”
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Now why didn't the investigative reporters question the"Funds allocated from the Madeleine Fund" of the bogus stories created,along with the special actors for Mr Dave Edgars master piece involving GMc,JW and JT?
Surely the public have a right to know if the donations have been mis-appropriated by the"Custodians"of the "Find Madeleine Fund,when these bogus characters fleeced the money?
Or is it just Tax payers money that counts and "Not" the donated money,"Just put your money in an Envelope,address it to the Find Madeleine Fund"It will get there,Eh Clarence,still happy to have accepted over £250,000 from the "Find Madeleine fund?
Why haven't the BBC raised any concerns about the costs of the Two Crime Watch Programmes,especially the October 2013/14 one,where"Smithman/Creche Dad"was morphed into one,still having his daughter pyjamas and the clothing he wore on that night 3 May 2007,eh DCS Andy Redwood-moving the clock forward?
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Post by Roxyroo 13.03.17 16:19

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Roxyroo wrote:Wow, just wow. AT LAST! Taxpayers being angry is mentioned! Now we're getting somewhere, don't know where but its one plus to us.

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I don't believe that's a victory. If people are sick of money being wasted on a case that is seemingly going no-where, it fits in with sweeping the whole thing under the carpet.

  If the UK's best police force have spent millions of hard earned tax payers money and got no-where, this will lead to people being more accepting of Operation Grange closing after having found nothing. The narrative will be that they tried everything, even with all that money and they couldn't solve it....IMO.

 It's similar to all those child abuse inquiries where they appointed people who resigned or were unsuitable to lead the inquiry...it's a farce people said, they were sick of it and didn't want to here any more about it!

(I don't actually trust ANY of the MSM, i just thought i would big up Mr Lawton on the off chance that any of them will read it, and see that this smidgeon of truth is appreciated. IMO there's going to be even more stories leaking out before 10th anniversary, as they desperately catch up with what the public ACTUALLY thinks)

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Can anyone confirm if the McCanns became assistentes in the Portuguese investigation.

Ref: PJ files:

09-Outros Apensos Vol IX Pages 41 to 43
10-Processo 10 pages 2702 to 2704
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Processo 10 page 2702

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Processo 10 page 2703

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Processo 10 page 2704

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Gerald McCann and Kate Healy, identified in the case number above, having been notified as to whether they are interested in being constituted 'assistentes' in the process, both come to reply that they have every interest in being constituted 'assistentes'.

The constituted assistente in his/her position as collaborator of the Public Ministry is always subordinate to the PM, having the powers conferred upon him/her by article 69, no. 3 of the CPP, that is to say, all the rights of intervening in the process, offering proof and requiring the diligences they deem to be necessary, deducing independent charges and intervening in the decisions that affect them.

In this way, the status of assistente is not incompatible with the status of arguido, because it cannot be confirmed - with any degree of probability or even less of certainty - that the persons in question committed any crime or that either of them would have 'co-participated in the crime'.

The status of assistente, as well as that of arguido confers the rights of participation and intervention in the process (many of these even coincide), but even in this exercise, they never conflict because they are always subject to the application, pondering and decisions of the judge.

To this effect and according to article 68 .1 of the CPP 'assistentes in the penal process can be constituted as well as the persons and entities who confer them this right, in the case of the offended party being aged under 16, or due to any incapacity, the legal representative or the persons previously indicated, unless one of them has participated in the crime'.


There is no norm that prevents the constitution as assistentes of those requesting this status or that impedes them from exercising their rights as parents in representing the interests of their daughter Madeleine.

I would finally add that those making the requests, although arguidos, are innocent or at least presumed innocent, they are and do not cease to be the legal representatives of the girl Madeleine, they have a lawyer, they have paid their legal costs and in this sense, all things considered, having fulfilled all the requirements for the request, are also 'the owners of the interests that the law particularly wishes to protect'.

Last but not least, in the latest communication from the prosecutor, annexed to this note, the Public Ministry understands that 'no line or inquiry should be disregarded' which is why 'inquiries will continue under the functional direction of the Public Ministry, under the responsibility of the PJ', inquiries that cannot be prejudiced by those making the request, independently of the status conferred or imposed upon them.
We request that they should be admitted to the status of assistentes.
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Post by jeanmonroe 13.03.17 16:24

Mirage wrote:Can anyone confirm if the McCanns became assistentes in the Portuguese investigation.

Ref: PJ files:

09-Outros Apensos Vol IX Pages 41 to 43
10-Processo 10 pages 2702 to 2704
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Processo 10 page 2702

o_apensoIX_vol_1_Page_042
Processo 10 page 2703

o_apensoIX_vol_1_Page_043
Processo 10 page 2704

Letter from Pinto de Abreu

Date 25th September 2007


Gerald McCann and Kate Healy, identified in the case number above, having been notified as to whether they are interested in being constituted 'assistentes' in the process, both come to reply that they have every interest in being constituted 'assistentes'.

The constituted assistente in his/her position as collaborator of the Public Ministry is always subordinate to the PM, having the powers conferred upon him/her by article 69, no. 3 of the CPP, that is to say, all the rights of intervening in the process, offering proof and requiring the diligences they deem to be necessary, deducing independent charges and intervening in the decisions that affect them.

In this way, the status of assistente is not incompatible with the status of arguido, because it cannot be confirmed - with any degree of probability or even less of certainty - that the persons in question committed any crime or that either of them would have 'co-participated in the crime'.

The status of assistente, as well as that of arguido confers the rights of participation and intervention in the process (many of these even coincide), but even in this exercise, they never conflict because they are always subject to the application, pondering and decisions of the judge.

To this effect and according to article 68 .1 of the CPP 'assistentes in the penal process can be constituted as well as the persons and entities who confer them this right, in the case of the offended party being aged under 16, or due to any incapacity, the legal representative or the persons previously indicated, unless one of them has participated in the crime'.


There is no norm that prevents the constitution as assistentes of those requesting this status or that impedes them from exercising their rights as parents in representing the interests of their daughter Madeleine.

I would finally add that those making the requests, although arguidos, are innocent or at least presumed innocent, they are and do not cease to be the legal representatives of the girl Madeleine, they have a lawyer, they have paid their legal costs and in this sense, all things considered, having fulfilled all the requirements for the request, are also 'the owners of the interests that the law particularly wishes to protect'.

Last but not least, in the latest communication from the prosecutor, annexed to this note, the Public Ministry understands that 'no line or inquiry should be disregarded' which is why 'inquiries will continue under the functional direction of the Public Ministry, under the responsibility of the PJ', inquiries that cannot be prejudiced by those making the request, independently of the status conferred or imposed upon them.
We request that they should be admitted to the status of assistentes.
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NO, they didn't.

Their 'cunning Mcplan' was to be 'in the tent' peeing out, rather than being outside the tent 'peeing in'! (or 'peeing' against the wind!)

They wanted to 'know' WHAT the PJ were 'investigating' ('them'?) as 'lines of inquiries'

It didn't 'work'!

Ah 'diddums'
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Post by willowthewisp 13.03.17 16:41

Hi Jeanmonroe,thanks for that little snippet,would this be the"Normal Reaction" of parents whose eldest daughter had been reported as missing/Abducted to the GNR Police Force,to try to ascertain what the Police did or did not know?
Sounds a bit like a"James Bond"scenario,may John Buck or Bill Henderson would care to cast light on their involvements to the case?
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Post by jeanmonroe 13.03.17 16:42

Perhaps, there were one or two MORE 'BOGUS' erm, CHARITY 'COLLECTERS' in PDL, ('put money/donations in 'blue bucket' please') in May 2007, than DCI Andy led us to believe!

'If you know what I mean, nudge, nudge, wink, wink'
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Post by jeanmonroe 13.03.17 16:49

willowthewisp wrote:Hi Jeanmonroe,thanks for that little snippet,would this be the"Normal Reaction" of parents whose eldest daughter had been reported as missing/Abducted to the GNR Police Force,to try to ascertain what the Police did or did not know?
Sounds a bit like a"James Bond"scenario,may John Buck or Bill Henderson would care to cast light on their involvements to the case?

'They' had no trouble, at the UK 'end', getting 'information', for, as KM has told us, (on Sky News, Adam Boulton? iirc) 'we have a hotline, directly, to, OG, 24/7, and they keep us 'informed' of every 'developement'! (owtte)

Yet AGAIN, I ask, WHY would an 'investigating' police force, KEEP, possible future 'suspects' in a child 'disappearance' case, informed of 'developements'?

Unless of course, KM was 'lying'.........AGAIN!
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Post by willowthewisp 13.03.17 17:01

jeanmonroe wrote:
willowthewisp wrote:Hi Jeanmonroe,thanks for that little snippet,would this be the"Normal Reaction" of parents whose eldest daughter had been reported as missing/Abducted to the GNR Police Force,to try to ascertain what the Police did or did not know?
Sounds a bit like a"James Bond"scenario,may John Buck or Bill Henderson would care to cast light on their involvements to the case?

'They' had no trouble, at the UK 'end', getting 'information', for, as KM has told us, (on Sky News, Adam Boulton? iirc) 'we have a hotline, directly, to, OG, and they keep us 'informed' of every 'developement'!

Yet AGAIN, I ask, WHY would an 'investigating' police force, KEEP, possible future 'suspects' in a child 'disappearance' case, informed of 'developements'?

Unless of course, KM was 'lying'.........AGAIN!

Just as discussed in an earlier point,when the parents were made"Arquido's" "All of the UK Police left Portugal together" Matt Baggot moment?
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Post by Mirage 13.03.17 17:58

jeanmonroe wrote:
Mirage wrote:Can anyone confirm if the McCanns became assistentes in the Portuguese investigation.

Ref: PJ files:

09-Outros Apensos Vol IX Pages 41 to 43
10-Processo 10 pages 2702 to 2704
o_apensoIX_vol_1_Page_041
Processo 10 page 2702

o_apensoIX_vol_1_Page_042
Processo 10 page 2703

o_apensoIX_vol_1_Page_043
Processo 10 page 2704

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Date 25th September 2007


Gerald McCann and Kate Healy, identified in the case number above, having been notified as to whether they are interested in being constituted 'assistentes' in the process, both come to reply that they have every interest in being constituted 'assistentes'.

The constituted assistente in his/her position as collaborator of the Public Ministry is always subordinate to the PM, having the powers conferred upon him/her by article 69, no. 3 of the CPP, that is to say, all the rights of intervening in the process, offering proof and requiring the diligences they deem to be necessary, deducing independent charges and intervening in the decisions that affect them.

In this way, the status of assistente is not incompatible with the status of arguido, because it cannot be confirmed - with any degree of probability or even less of certainty - that the persons in question committed any crime or that either of them would have 'co-participated in the crime'.

The status of assistente, as well as that of arguido confers the rights of participation and intervention in the process (many of these even coincide), but even in this exercise, they never conflict because they are always subject to the application, pondering and decisions of the judge.

To this effect and according to article 68 .1 of the CPP 'assistentes in the penal process can be constituted as well as the persons and entities who confer them this right, in the case of the offended party being aged under 16, or due to any incapacity, the legal representative or the persons previously indicated, unless one of them has participated in the crime'.


There is no norm that prevents the constitution as assistentes of those requesting this status or that impedes them from exercising their rights as parents in representing the interests of their daughter Madeleine.

I would finally add that those making the requests, although arguidos, are innocent or at least presumed innocent, they are and do not cease to be the legal representatives of the girl Madeleine, they have a lawyer, they have paid their legal costs and in this sense, all things considered, having fulfilled all the requirements for the request, are also 'the owners of the interests that the law particularly wishes to protect'.

Last but not least, in the latest communication from the prosecutor, annexed to this note, the Public Ministry understands that 'no line or inquiry should be disregarded' which is why 'inquiries will continue under the functional direction of the Public Ministry, under the responsibility of the PJ', inquiries that cannot be prejudiced by those making the request, independently of the status conferred or imposed upon them.
We request that they should be admitted to the status of assistentes.
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Carlos Pinto de Abreu

NO, they didn't.

Their 'cunning Mcplan' was to be 'in the tent' peeing out, rather than being outside the tent 'peeing in'! (or 'peeing' against the wind!)

They wanted to 'know' WHAT the PJ were 'investigating' ('them'?) as 'lines of inquiries'

It didn't 'work'!

Ah 'diddums'
They also wanted to "assist" Leicester plod. Evidently they were concerned that information from the public ... that one missing piece of the jigsaw .... might be lying in a dusty file at HQ. Not withstanding their own "hotline" had never responded to hundreds of calls.
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Post by Mirage 13.03.17 18:13

RE The hotline this 2009 article:

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Last updated at 10:18 PM on 28th November 2009


Missing: Madeleine McCann disappeared in May 2007

A private eye whose company was paid £500,000 from a public fund to find Madeleine McCann squandered the money on a series of bizarre schemes that had no chance of locating the missing child.

Kevin Halligen, who claimed to have experience in the British secret services, was arrested last week in an Oxford hotel after an FBI manhunt over an unrelated £1.3million fraud case in America.

His investigations company, Oakley International, was taken on in March last year by the Find Madeleine Fund and her parents Kate and Gerry McCann.

But The Mail on Sunday can reveal today that despite setting up a hotline for potential informants and witnesses, none of the hundreds of calls received by a call centre hired by Halligen, 48, was listened to by Oakley investigators - and Halligen also bragged to his colleagues that he had executed a series of peculiar tactics to find Madeleine........

ARTICLE CONTINUES.
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Can you imagine .... as a parent of a missing child you are paying someone vast amounts of money out of a fund and you don't  ring up and ask "What's the response on the hotline?"

Yet you want to know what the Leicester police have on file that  may have been overlooked.
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Post by Jill Havern 13.03.17 21:55

From twitter:

"£85k has just bought the UK Government another 6 months of refusing FOI requests
on the grounds of an ongoing investigation."



And from facebewk:

A post by Andy Hopkins on CMOMM facebewk which is a bit too long to post:

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Post by Guest 14.03.17 0:54

sandancer wrote:Last roll of the​ dice !
What​ game​ are​ they playing ?

Cluedo ?

Monopoly ?

Isn't there​ a game​ called " craps " ?
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Wikipedia..

Craps is a dice game in which the players make wagers on the outcome of the roll, or a series of rolls, of a pair of dice. Players may wager money against each other (playing "street craps", also known as "shooting dice" or "rolling dice") or a bank (playing "casino craps", also known as "table craps", or often just "craps"). Because it requires little equipment, "street craps" can be played in informal settings.
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That's a heck of a lot of craps - the edges of the dice must be a bit rounded by now, maybe that's were the rolling comes in?
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Post by Guest 14.03.17 1:08

At least the guesstimated figure of 85,000k has been confirmed by the Metropolitan Police and not just a media propagandist feed - even if they are not going to comment on operations.  They gave that up when the populace started asking awkward questions.
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Post by hogwash 14.03.17 1:50

Why so much cash for Madeleine McCann search and not for my missing son asks Newcastle dad

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