Freud Communications and the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

by NickE 08.07.16 11:56

Was the alleged dinner as Kate said in her book after, or was "after" actually "before"?

Freud Communications and the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Freudc10

Freud Communications and the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Freudc10

http://everything-pr.com/carrie-byalick-portland-communications-freud-pr-walker-sands-freud/82526/

by MayMuse 08.07.16 14:43

NickE wrote:Was the alleged dinner as Kate said in her book after, or was "after" actually "before"?

http://everything-pr.com/carrie-byalick-portland-communications-freud-pr-walker-sands-freud/82526/

Have wondered this myself except there are the phone calls in the July & was it August or Sept? which is after Madeleine disappeared. When KM enthuses,as she did about this visit in her book, I'm always suspicious!

by sallypelt 08.07.16 14:51

If "McCanns enjoying dinner at the villa LONG BEFORE Madeleine went missing" then why did Kate make such a big thing about her not knowing CF until the invitation to dinner AFTER Madeleine had disappeared?

I have a feeling that this house of cards will soon come crashing down.

by **Tony Bennett** 08.07.16 15:01

re: "The McCann family had dinner at the same villa with Sir Clement on at least one occasions not long before she went missing..."

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Well done NickE yet again thumbup

for spotting this...and the article makes a very striking claim...

...but I am inclined to take the claim with a hefty pinch of salt.

The McCanns were in Portugal previously?

With the children?

'Not long' before Madeleine went missing...? Is that days, weeks or months before?

'At least once' - there may have been more dinners chez Clement?

by jeanmonroe 08.07.16 15:07

Anyone care to 'qualify' what 'long before' might 'be'?

'before' April 29th 2007?

Probably discussed before, but WHY was PDL 'chosen', by the T9, as 'their' holiday 'destination'?

(and 'luckily'? Jez W, 'who 'almost' saw the 'abductor', and put GM 'in the street' ('alibi'?) at the 'exact' time as Tanner's 'sighting' ('met' Oldfields and R O'B/Tanner on same 'plane' to PDL) 'documentary/media film producer')?

I don't believe ANY of 'them' had been 'there', previously.

(Have to 'check' their 'statements')

jta: Did JW ever 'sue' KM for 'lying/libelling' him, about where he 'was', in her bewk, madeleine?

by NickE 08.07.16 17:59

Tony Bennett wrote:re: "The McCann family had dinner at the same villa with Sir Clement on at least one occasions not long before she went missing..."

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Well done NickE yet again for spotting this...and the article makes a very striking claim...

...but I am inclined to take the claim with a hefty pinch of salt.

The McCanns were in Portugal previously?

With the children?

'Not long' before Madeleine went missing...? Is that days, weeks or months before?

'At least once' - there may have been more dinners chez Clement?

Thank you Tony.
And we remember "Resonate was breifing a week before...."
There could be a lot of dogs buried here.

by **Jill Havern** 09.07.16 6:56

A neighbour confided to CM that Freud's house was "very busy" during the holidays and that the family did not interact with the rest of the neighbourhood. About the presence of the McCanns in the proximities of the paedophile's house, the same source confirmed that Kate and Gerry were seen "several times at that place".

in Correio da Manhã, June 16 2016

http://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/maddie-case-leaves-ten-paedophiles.html

by whatsupdoc 09.07.16 9:52

Get'emGonçalo wrote:A neighbour confided to CM that Freud's house was "very busy" during the holidays and that the family did not interact with the rest of the neighbourhood. About the presence of the McCanns in the proximities of the paedophile's house, the same source confirmed that Kate and Gerry were seen "several times at that place".

in Correio da Manhã, June 16 2016

http://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/maddie-case-leaves-ten-paedophiles.html

Every time we hear some story about the McCanns , there are many questions that arise ,usually with no straightforward answers.

If they visited the villa before or after Madeleine disappeared.

Were the children left alone or looked after when visiting CF? I can't see them taking the children with them.

Gerry wasn't on holiday to enjoy himself, so what was the object of the supposed family holiday? They didn't see much of the children.

How many times did the McCanns visit the CF villa and why?

The fact that the Government keeps information about it's corrupt & paedophile members secret is reason enough for a shakeup now and not wait till every last one of them dies.

by MayMuse 09.07.16 12:12

whatsupdoc wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:A neighbour confided to CM that Freud's house was "very busy" during the holidays and that the family did not interact with the rest of the neighbourhood. About the presence of the McCanns in the proximities of the paedophile's house, the same source confirmed that Kate and Gerry were seen "several times at that place".

in Correio da Manhã, June 16 2016

http://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/maddie-case-leaves-ten-paedophiles.html

Every time we hear some story about the McCanns , there are many questions that arise ,usually with no straightforward answers.

If they visited the villa before or after Madeleine disappeared.

Were the children left alone or looked after when visiting CF? I can't see them taking the children with them.

Gerry wasn't on holiday to enjoy himself, so what was the object of the supposed family holiday? They didn't see much of the children.

How many times did the McCanns visit the CF villa and why?

The fact that the Government keeps information about it's corrupt & paedophile members secret is reason enough for a shakeup now and not wait till every last one of them dies.

According to Kate's book they took the twins and a couple of friends or relatives with them? She names them but can't find that passage at the moment.

by joyce1938 09.07.16 13:12

I have a feeling ,the 2 extra were some older family members ,who were helping out just after Maddie went.joyce1938

by Guest 09.07.16 13:47

My first thought after reading, if the McCann family dined with Clement Freud before Madeleine McCann went missing, then bang goes any thoughts that she vanished before the night of Thursday 3rd May. Even if Madeleine did disappear on 3rd May, they arrived at the Ocean Club on the afternoon of Saturday 28th April, 2007, allegedly ate at the Millennium restaurant on the first night and thereafter at the Tapas - what possible opportunity was there for dinner with Clement Freud?

There has been many many false claims spread abroad since May 2007 - I think this is another example.

by jeanmonroe 09.07.16 14:01

joyce1938 wrote:I have a feeling ,the 2 extra were some older family members ,who were helping out just after Maddie went.joyce1938

For fear of being 'a bore'..........................KM says 'she, Gerry, the twins, Trisha and Sandy Cameron (her sister-in-law and her husband, now divorced) and Justine McGuiness their 'pr' person, at the time, 'visited' CF in 'early' July, 2007.

by willowthewisp 09.07.16 14:22

jeanmonroe wrote:
joyce1938 wrote:I have a feeling ,the 2 extra were some older family members ,who were helping out just after Maddie went.joyce1938

For fear of being 'a bore'..........................KM says 'she, Gerry, the twins, Trisha and Sandy Cameron (her sister-in-law and her husband, now divorced) and Justine McGuiness their 'pr' person, at the time, 'visited' CF in 'early' July, 2007.

quaffing Strawberry Vodka's and seasoned Brandies on a warm Summer Evening in the presence of such refined characters, gently puffing on cigars in an exquisite place,(now thought to inherit Three Paedophile Burglars) Revelation moment by DCI Andy Redwood,Operation Grange?

by jeanmonroe 09.07.16 14:28

willowthewisp wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:
joyce1938 wrote:I have a feeling ,the 2 extra were some older family members ,who were helping out just after Maddie went.joyce1938

For fear of being 'a bore'..........................KM says 'she, Gerry, the twins, Trisha and Sandy Cameron (her sister-in-law and her husband, now divorced) and Justine McGuiness their 'pr' person, at the time, 'visited' CF in 'early' July, 2007.
quaffing Strawberry Vodka's and seasoned Brandies on a warm Summer Evening in the presence of such refined characters, gently puffing on cigars in an exquisite place,(now thought to inherit Three Paedophile Burglars) Revelation moment by DCI Andy Redwood,Operation Grange?

The ONLY 'revelation' ex DCI Redwood is likely to have is 'the effing twots, they completely duped me stoopid, with their effing abduction fairy tale. I've been made out to look like a right proper thicko Maddie cop woodentop'
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"Befehl ist Befehl."

by willowthewisp 09.07.16 15:00

jeanmonroe wrote:
willowthewisp wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:
joyce1938 wrote:I have a feeling ,the 2 extra were some older family members ,who were helping out just after Maddie went.joyce1938

For fear of being 'a bore'..........................KM says 'she, Gerry, the twins, Trisha and Sandy Cameron (her sister-in-law and her husband, now divorced) and Justine McGuiness their 'pr' person, at the time, 'visited' CF in 'early' July, 2007.
quaffing Strawberry Vodka's and seasoned Brandies on a warm Summer Evening in the presence of such refined characters, gently puffing on cigars in an exquisite place,(now thought to inherit Three Paedophile Burglars) Revelation moment by DCI Andy Redwood,Operation Grange?

The ONLY 'revelation' ex DCI Redwood is likely to have is 'the effing twots, they completely duped me stoopid, with their effing abduction fairy tale. I've been made out to look like a right proper thicko Maddie cop woodentop'
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"Befehl ist Befehl."

DCS Hamish Campbell, held my unsteady hand and Sir Bernard Hogan Howe held his as we had to read through the huge amount of documents to peruse in finding out the "Truth" of what happened to Madeleine McCann, whilst on vacation with her siblings and MUM And DAD and the very special Tapas 7/9 group of friends 3 May 2007, as of yet we have not had time to investigate, as to why a "Special Fund" was drawn up by a very Selective Team of Solicitors in a missing person case, Eleven Days after her disappearance?
Aka,"All the President's Men,Follow the Money"?
Oh and then we passed a very Hot potato to Nichola Wall, who has had to scale back Operation Grange, due to the amount of selective Police Federation Members on spending cuts during the present investigation, with 84 G4S reps?

by MayMuse 10.07.16 22:02

There is a tweet on the side bar which says that KM got her medial degree at Dundee uni and that Clement Freud was the Rector there?
If that is the case surely she would have remembered when they visited him in PDL?
What are the chances?

I do not know how to copy and add it here, sorry.

Why would the Government hide this ?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1419349/government-hides-the-backer-of-paedophile-mp-clement-freuds-gong/

by sar 10.07.16 22:14

willowthewisp wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:
joyce1938 wrote:I have a feeling ,the 2 extra were some older family members ,who were helping out just after Maddie went.joyce1938

For fear of being 'a bore'..........................KM says 'she, Gerry, the twins, Trisha and Sandy Cameron (her sister-in-law and her husband, now divorced) and Justine McGuiness their 'pr' person, at the time, 'visited' CF in 'early' July, 2007.
quaffing Strawberry Vodka's and seasoned Brandies on a warm Summer Evening in the presence of such refined characters, gently puffing on cigars in an exquisite place,(now thought to inherit Three Paedophile Burglars) Revelation moment by DCI Andy Redwood,Operation Grange?

+1 willowthewisp

by Amy Dean 10.07.16 22:27

Clement Freud was the rector at Dundee University long before Kate was there.

From Wikipedia: In 1974, he was elected Rector of the University of Dundee and served two three-year terms.

by MayMuse 10.07.16 22:34

Amy Dean wrote:Clement Freud was the rector at Dundee University long before Kate was there.

From Wikipedia: In 1974, he was elected Rector of the University of Dundee and served two three-year terms.

Ahhh

by Amy Dean 10.07.16 22:57

Lorraine Kelly has also held the post!!!!

2004 - Lorraine Kelly

Election: 27 February 2004
Installation: 28 April 2004
Lorraine Kelly - East Kilbride-born television presenter. Beat Lesley Riddoch and David Shayler to the post.Lorraine Kelly was awarded honorary Doctor of Laws (LL.D) degree by the University in 2008.

by willowthewisp 11.07.16 12:07

Amy Dean wrote:Lorraine Kelly has also held the post!!!!

2004 - Lorraine Kelly

Election: 27 February 2004
Installation: 28 April 2004
Lorraine Kelly - East Kilbride-born television presenter. Beat Lesley Riddoch and David Shayler to the post.Lorraine Kelly was awarded honorary Doctor of Laws (LL.D) degree by the University in 2008.

For Services Rendered to a very Special Couple who have suffered enough, the Knighthoods in the post for you Lorraine?
Beats David Shayler, he of Mi 5/6, who unveiled the £100,000 plot to Murder Ghaddaffi in 1996,Malcolm Rifkind,Jack Straw?
Al Qeada had planted the Bomb in the wrong vehicle and the President escaped the assassination but several innocent victims were left dead and numerous injuries to other people.

by Guest 19.07.16 22:53

Did Freud PR host or assist with any other functions, or was this a one off?

'Kate and Gerry McCann sat close together to face the barrage of cameras and microphones in the basement room at Freud PR in central London, where the press conference was held.'

ETA Obviously this is well after CF died, but may be a nod towards CM/FPR not being a coincidence

by kaz 13.11.16 12:06

I'm not sure if this has been commented on before but what was the conversation that produced this observation , ''
“His ( Freud's )response to our catalogue of horrors was merely to raise an eyebrow. Clement had this way of making everything seem a little less terrible. When he heard about the [sniffer] dogs [which had indicated the scent of death in the McCann’s hire car], he remarked laconically, ‘So what are they going to do? Put them on the stand? One bark for yes, two for no?’
“He was right, of course; it was ridiculous.''..............( TELEGRAPH JUNE 2016.)
So the scenario is that the McCanns are complaining to Freud about the dogs. It's not clear if the complaint is about the dogs being allowed to sniff around 5A or the fact that the dogs actually detected cadaver odour. Freud's reply seems to be , don't worry, the dogs won't be able to testify against you. He doesn't say, don't worry, the dogs' findings are notoriously unreliable which ( to me anyway ) would be the normal thing to say if you were trying to put your guests ' minds at rest.

by nomendelta 13.11.16 12:23

It's an interesting Freud quote there...perhaps I am reading too much into it but...

1. He couldn't possibly have known the McCanns weren't guilty. He barely knew them and I'm sorry but in the circumstances I think any reasonably intelligent human being would have even a tiny bit of doubt as to the possibility. Freud speaks either as if he had no doubt of their guilt or no doubt that there was nothing to incriminate them.

2. Further, the talk about dogs on the stand. This is even more important. Even if he believed the abductor hypothesis which somehow tied in with the hire car - after all he couldn't have known if one of the tapas group had perhaps been responsible and also used the car - the way he speaks strongly suggests that he knew - KNEW - that there would be no body found regardless of the dogs indications...

by Guest 13.11.16 13:07

nomendelta wrote:
1. He couldn't possibly have known the McCanns weren't guilty.

It's quite uncanny the number of people who 'believed 100% in the McCanns innocence' before having even met them..

Brian Kennedy, Clarence Mitchell, he of Stobo castle, Sire Philip Green, Dicky Branson, the Hubbards - to name but a few. Most of whom are a bit iffy in their own right.

ETA: As regards Clement Freud - you have to question the source of this information yes

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by **Tony Bennett** 14.11.16 10:26

Verdi wrote:
nomendelta wrote:
1. He couldn't possibly have known the McCanns weren't guilty.
It's quite uncanny the number of people who 'believed 100% in the McCanns innocence' before having even met them..

Brian Kennedy, Clarence Mitchell, he of Stobo castle, Sire Philip Green, Dicky Branson, the Hubbards - to name but a few. Most of whom are a bit iffy in their own right.

ETA: As regards Clement Freud - you have to question the source of this information .

You missed out one of the 'iffiest' of them all - Ray Wyre.

He was quick off the mark 4 days after Madeleine was reported missing (in the Times) and after 7 days (on the Daily Telegraph), telling millions that Madeleine had been abducted, as a rock-hard certainty, and that paedophiles abducted her. Later, in January 2008, he and his wife had the whole day with the McCanns, when Kate tucked into a delicious banoffeepie. Reporting on that meeting, the People reported that he was again 100% convinced that the McCanns could not have lied about Madeleine's disappearance.

Later, the name of the witchcraft- and sex-obsessed pervert Ray Wyre was found on the notorious Elm Guest House list - see the Operation Fernbridge thread on CMOMM.

More about the late Ray Wyre here:

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t5452-the-mccanns-ray-wyre-ian-brady-and-sally-smith

@ Verdi Wyre was a lot iffier than 'iffy'

by Guest 16.11.16 12:41

Tony Bennett wrote:
You missed out one of the 'iffiest' of them all - Ray Wyre.

I've just got round to reading your past research into this strange person. I'm intrigued to know how it came about that Wyre was so swiftly commenting on Madeleine's disappearance and how it came about that the McCanns visited and/or were invited to his home to discuss setting up an international taskforce to help cops trace missing children. A bona-fide criminologist might have the expertise to establish an international task-force but what could the parents of a missing child offer?

Was it like Clement Freud's chance invitation to his villa in Portugal? A short note or telephone call out of the blue or was it arranged by someone like Jim Gamble?

As you suggest, Wyre is most definitely the iffiest of the iffies. Even his profile appears obscure - almost as though it's an obsession rather than a profession.

It's that wretched paedophile connection again - it just won't go away will it..

by Guest 24.01.17 21:01

NickE wrote:And we remember "Resonate was breifing a week before...."

NickE, would you be so good as to say where this information comes from. A link to where is was discussed on CMoMM would also be helpful

Thanks howdy

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by NickE 26.01.17 11:06

Verdi wrote:
NickE wrote:And we remember "Resonate was breifing a week before...."
NickE, would you be so good as to say where this information comes from. A link to where is was discussed on CMoMM would also be helpful

Thanks !

It has been discussed in various threads, but especially in the thread "Was Madeleine seen after Sunday"
Richard D Hall put some light on this in "When Madeleine died"

Freud Communications and the Disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Prweek10