Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?
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Initially I was specifically replying to your lone post about David Hopkins but seeing as you ask.MayMuse wrote:..No reason to question Pamalams site... see Dougd post... ref lists of names, makes sense.Verdi wrote:I'm not entirely sure David Hopkins did in fact fly out to Portugal, I don't know where this information featured on Pamalam's blog comes from. I suspect it's from a press report in which case it can be viewed as questionable - the press are not known for attention to detail or accuracy.MayMuse wrote:Yes Robin Crossland (administrator) stated that I misread BUT David Hopkins (Manageing Director) FLEW to PDL .. See files.Verdi wrote:MayMuse wrote:So, where is David Hopkins the managing director of MW as it was said that he flew out too and was present with the McCanns on an interview when they stated that the French doors were left unlocked?
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Robin Crossland, the administrator of the resort said he had been present when the McCanns were first interviewed by police soon after Maddy vanished. "They clearly said that they had left the French windows unlocked as they were using them to access the apartment to check on the children throughout their meal," he said.
When did he?
Still, whether he did or didn't, I think there was enough senior personnel from various organisations in attendance on 4th/5th May and the following week to arouse suspicion and/or curiosity. The PJ investigation had hardly got off the ground, Madeleine could have been found at any time, yet there they were, gathering at top speek like a pack of hungry wolves.
IF Madeleine did disappear on the night of 3rd May 2007, as claimed by her parents and their adherents, it appears very strange that all these bigwigs arrived at the Ocean Club within hours. If however, she disappeared sometime prior to the night of 3rd May 2007, then matters become more understandable..
Albeit I believe he flew out, what matters is that there was a plethora of people from MW (& the media) who gathered in PDL pretty smart-ish!
I can understand to a degree, MW personnel probably to ensure they were not liable i.e. that they were to blame in anyway?
The reporting via different news aspects, was indeed very early in Madeleines disappearance.
My questions are not just why but how they and/or information reached so fast?
From what source... Clarence wasn't around then was he?
Madeleine McCann's disappearance hit the UK media in the early hours of Friday 4th May 2007, it would appear largely through the McCann circle of family, friends and useful connections.
The Ocean Club management at the earliest opportunity would have contacted their UK headquarters. The very second their HQ became aware I expect they went into overdrive - a well established popular tour company that prides itself on it's holiday childcare, suddenly their reputation is about to be ruined by the disappearance of a three year old little girl, allegedly snatched from her bed whilst her siblings were sleeping alongside. Can you imagine it? Especially if their squeaky clean public image was about to be questioned.
Not only would the UK media be hungry for any information relating to the child's disappearance but the Mark Warner company would be desperate to clear up the mess to save their reputation. First thing on the agenda would be a press release from the Mark Warner public relations unit. Not surprising to me that news of their response to the disaster was so promptly published.
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Who wrote that - Ian Hislop ?Doug D wrote:Snipped:
Another puzzle about Alex Woolfall, recalled Gerry, was why he told ‘The Times’ that he had flown out to Praia da Luz on Saturday 5th May when, in fact, he had flown out on Friday 4th May, the day after Madeleine had disappeared.
In order for Woolfall to arrive on the Friday, the management team at Mark Warners in Praia da Luz – and presumably their headquarters – would have had to demand Woofall’s presence in Praia da Luz almost immediately. Gerry wondered why there had been such a rush to fly Woolfall out. Was it because Mark Warners feared the consequences of it being confirmed that a young child had been abducted from their complex? Gerry recalled that initially, in the first hours after Madeleine had disappeared, John Hill, Mark Warners’ manager at Praia da Luz, had cast doubt as to whether any abduction had actually taken place. He had soon changed his mind, thank goodness.
It had been at 10.00pm on Friday 4th May – exactly 24 hours’ after Madeleine had been reported missing – when Gerry had so courageously spoken to the press. This was how Woolfall had described it in his article in ‘The Times’ on 6th October 2007:
“I met the couple for the first time at their new apartment. [The McCanns] were behaving exactly as I thought someone in that situation would be behaving. They had not slept. They were exhausted and despairing but thinking, ‘Should we go outside and say something that might get her back?’ They said they wanted to head downstairs and talk to the media. They were very tired, but that was one thing they were determined to do. So I went out to alert journalists and returned to the McCanns. They wrote down what they wanted to say and went out and gave a short statement. After that, they were completely spent. You could tell there was nothing left”.
Gerry himself had described the occasion in a Vanity Fair article published on 10 January 2008: “The day after Madeleine was abducted, as Kate and I left the police station, there were 150 journalists in front of it. Alex Woolfall explained to me that either I interact with the media or we would be hounded by the press”.
He momentarily noted that he and Alex Woolfall were not quite singing from the same hymn sheet on this issue. Woolfall had said it was him and Kate who wrere wanting to make a statement, he realised, whereas Gerry had maintained that it was Woolfall who had pushed him into making a statement.
He let out a momentary sigh.
But, as always, he had told the truth. It was indeed Woolfall who had persuaded them into making that statement to the press. So Woolfall had got it wrong by claiming that he and Kate had been pushing to make a statement.
And, strangely, Woolfall had also got it wrong in stating, as he had done more than once, that he had flown out to Praia da Luz ‘36 hours’ after Madeleine disappeared, on 5th May.
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'And, strangely, Woolfall had also got it wrong in stating, as he had done more than once, that he had flown out to Praia da Luz ‘36 hours’ after Madeleine disappeared, on 5th May.'
If Woolfall flew out to Praia da Luz on 5th May, it would be a notional 36 hours after Madeleine was reported to have disappeared. Wouldn't it?
If Woolfall flew out to Praia da Luz on 5th May, it would be a notional 36 hours after Madeleine was reported to have disappeared. Wouldn't it?
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Alex Woolfall:
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Can’t play the video of the first ‘appeal’ from 10.00 on 4th May, at the moment for some reason.
Can Woolfall not be identified somewhere in the background party, as has been reported from a number of different avenues?
This would confirm that he was there on the 4th.
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(Woolfall on right)
Can’t play the video of the first ‘appeal’ from 10.00 on 4th May, at the moment for some reason.
Can Woolfall not be identified somewhere in the background party, as has been reported from a number of different avenues?
This would confirm that he was there on the 4th.
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Try this one it shows the walk from inside up the steps prior to the statement.
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Doug D, I have to admit you are totally confusing me today, not difficult I know but it would appreciated if you could clarify a couple of points.Doug D wrote:Alex Woolfall:
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Can’t play the video of the first ‘appeal’ from 10.00 on 4th May, at the moment for some reason.
Can Woolfall not be identified somewhere in the background party, as has been reported from a number of different avenues?
This would confirm that he was there on the 4th.
Earlier you wrote..
List for 6th May shows:
33791 ‘Alex’
33792 ‘David’
33793 ‘Kuri’
‘Mayhe’ does still appear
7th
33800 Hubbard
‘Mayye’ now has (Staff) annotation, as do Alex, David & Kuri
Frankly I haven't the vaguest idea what you're talking about. What lists are these entries taken from and what is the (Staff) annotation you refer to?
This evening you say..
Can’t play the video of the first ‘appeal’ from 10.00 on 4th May, at the moment for some reason.
Can Woolfall not be identified somewhere in the background party, as has been reported from a number of different avenues?
This would confirm that he was there on the 4th.
What video? I posted a YouTube link up-thread to the first televised appeal..
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Are you saying you think the bloke in the background could be Woolfall? Bearing in mind it's already been established that Craig Mayhew was around on the night of 4th May and Kate McCann says in her novel that Mayhew took control of the situation, could it be him? As far as I can discern either of the two in the background could be any bloke on the planet but maybe my eyesight is a bit dodgy.
The image you posted appears to be dated by Getty as 11th May 2007. Is video and the photograph supposed to be connected in any way?
I really am confused - if you could find a moment to clarify as I say, I would be grateful. Ta!
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I think it is John Hill and possibly John Buck (grey hair) in the background?
The video I posted earlier shows them coming out and up the side steps so clearer, also shows two women to the side.
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The video I posted earlier shows them coming out and up the side steps so clearer, also shows two women to the side.
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The second McCann media presence on the night of Saturday 5th May 2007 @ 00:15..
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ETA: Sorry MayMuse, I see you've just posted the video link. I was on a different plane.
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ETA: Sorry MayMuse, I see you've just posted the video link. I was on a different plane.
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Yes I did, that's okay. Although I thought that was the 4th?Verdi wrote:The second McCann media presence on the night of Saturday 5th May 2007 @ 00:15..
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ETA: Sorry MayMuse, I see you've just posted the video link. I was on a different plane.
I'm getting confused myself with when who what and where.
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Isn't this the 4th ( as above)
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And this one the 5th?
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Adding this for the 6th May ( same clothes worn as the day with Craig Mayhew)
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And this one the 5th?
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Adding this for the 6th May ( same clothes worn as the day with Craig Mayhew)
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Yes and I think that is John Hill in the background.MayMuse wrote:Isn't this the 4th ( as above)
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In the Vanity Fair article Gerry is quoted as saying 'The day after Madeleine was abducted, as Kate and I left the police station .............., Alex Woolfall explained to me that either I interact with the media or we would be hounded by the press.'
Woolfall says in the October Times interview, 'I met the couple for the first time in their new apartment..'
Gerry's interview at Portimao started at 11.15am and Kate's at 2.20pm, and according to her book, went on for 4 hours and that they returned at about 8.30pm.
Kate goes on to describe who was waiting for them back in 4G, when they finally returned to the Ocean Club. Along with family she says she remembers the following remarkable list (someone made this lot jump):
John Hill
Emma Knight
Craig Mayhew
Ambassador John Buck
British Consuls Bill Henderson & Liz Dow
British Embassy Press Officer Andy Bowes
Alex Woolfall
And, a trauma psychologist, who had now arrived (Alan Pike)
Kate's recall seems to agree with Woolfall's in terms of where/when they met. But the OC records show Pike booked in from the 4th and 'Alex' (Woolfall?) only from the 5 May. 'Mahye' is shown from the 4th. Of course, Woolfall could have stayed elsewhere the night of the 4th or the book in date may just be incorrect.
Something else Kate's book states clearly is that it was Gerry who wanted to make the press statement on the evening of the 4th May - she says that he told the people assembled in their apartment what he was going to do, and that no one objected or advised him against it.
Confusion is good.
Just on the subject of this thread:
The Rogatory interviews, carried out by Leceistershire Police, are worth scrutiny. Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien were interviewed first on the 8 April, there interviews starting only 5 minutes apart at Leicestershire Police HQ, Russell at 9.55am and Jane at 10am. We are told in Jane's statement that an alarm sounds in the police station at 10.18am (which one of them was saying things they shouldn't - don't forget that there was a representatives from the Portuguese Police present and that the sessions are being recorded on DVD). We know Jane's interview starts again about 10 minutes later but there is no record of this disturbance in the information on Russell's interviews.
Russell's 5 separate interview sessions on the 8 April were supposed to have been recorded on DVD but we are told that all 5 session recordings failed - no check done at any time during the day. A 10 page statement is written up from 'monitoring notes' apparently taken on the day of the 8th. O'Brien is then called back in on the 10 April to go over the statement that has been written for him (note- all other Tapas 7 members are interviewed between the 9/10 April, after the happenings of the 8th). As I understand it, at the start of the 10 April session, O'Brien is given Jane's statement to read and the statement the police have produced on his behalf, from the monitoring notes of 8 April. O'Brien then starts with his lengthy and garbled analysis of the statement he has been handed - asking for things to be changed (it does make it clear that this is the purpose of this second interview session); making comments such as, 'I don't remember actually saying that...' and DC Gierc responds with questions such as, 'so how do you wish us to word that?' The result appears to be a lot of confusion on the part of both O'Brien and DC Gierc, and even more so on the part of anyone trying to make sense of it all.
Why did they not just go through the process of re-interviewing; asking the same questions from the 8 April; comparing the responses with the monitoring notes?
Whatever the truth behind the fiasco of O'Brien's Rogatory interviews, the manner in which the whole process was conducted raises a lot of questions about Leicestershire Police.
Woolfall says in the October Times interview, 'I met the couple for the first time in their new apartment..'
Gerry's interview at Portimao started at 11.15am and Kate's at 2.20pm, and according to her book, went on for 4 hours and that they returned at about 8.30pm.
Kate goes on to describe who was waiting for them back in 4G, when they finally returned to the Ocean Club. Along with family she says she remembers the following remarkable list (someone made this lot jump):
John Hill
Emma Knight
Craig Mayhew
Ambassador John Buck
British Consuls Bill Henderson & Liz Dow
British Embassy Press Officer Andy Bowes
Alex Woolfall
And, a trauma psychologist, who had now arrived (Alan Pike)
Kate's recall seems to agree with Woolfall's in terms of where/when they met. But the OC records show Pike booked in from the 4th and 'Alex' (Woolfall?) only from the 5 May. 'Mahye' is shown from the 4th. Of course, Woolfall could have stayed elsewhere the night of the 4th or the book in date may just be incorrect.
Something else Kate's book states clearly is that it was Gerry who wanted to make the press statement on the evening of the 4th May - she says that he told the people assembled in their apartment what he was going to do, and that no one objected or advised him against it.
Confusion is good.
Just on the subject of this thread:
The Rogatory interviews, carried out by Leceistershire Police, are worth scrutiny. Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien were interviewed first on the 8 April, there interviews starting only 5 minutes apart at Leicestershire Police HQ, Russell at 9.55am and Jane at 10am. We are told in Jane's statement that an alarm sounds in the police station at 10.18am (which one of them was saying things they shouldn't - don't forget that there was a representatives from the Portuguese Police present and that the sessions are being recorded on DVD). We know Jane's interview starts again about 10 minutes later but there is no record of this disturbance in the information on Russell's interviews.
Russell's 5 separate interview sessions on the 8 April were supposed to have been recorded on DVD but we are told that all 5 session recordings failed - no check done at any time during the day. A 10 page statement is written up from 'monitoring notes' apparently taken on the day of the 8th. O'Brien is then called back in on the 10 April to go over the statement that has been written for him (note- all other Tapas 7 members are interviewed between the 9/10 April, after the happenings of the 8th). As I understand it, at the start of the 10 April session, O'Brien is given Jane's statement to read and the statement the police have produced on his behalf, from the monitoring notes of 8 April. O'Brien then starts with his lengthy and garbled analysis of the statement he has been handed - asking for things to be changed (it does make it clear that this is the purpose of this second interview session); making comments such as, 'I don't remember actually saying that...' and DC Gierc responds with questions such as, 'so how do you wish us to word that?' The result appears to be a lot of confusion on the part of both O'Brien and DC Gierc, and even more so on the part of anyone trying to make sense of it all.
Why did they not just go through the process of re-interviewing; asking the same questions from the 8 April; comparing the responses with the monitoring notes?
Whatever the truth behind the fiasco of O'Brien's Rogatory interviews, the manner in which the whole process was conducted raises a lot of questions about Leicestershire Police.
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Verdi, sheets & links to clarify. Sorry, I was trying to be economical with space, but it’s not to be. These are the first (and some of the subsequent) sightings on the guest lists:
Alan Pike 5th May 02.37
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Mahye 5th May 02.37
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Alan Pike, Alex, David, 6th May 07.05
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Alan Pike (Staff), Alex (Staff), David (Staff)
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Hubbard (Donos = Owner), C5E, 6th May – 9th May
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I wasn’t saying the bloke in the background was Mayhew as for some reason I couldn’t play the videos last night, but I just knew there were people floating around in the background and wondered if Mayhew was amongst them. Having looked this morning I would agree with John Hill, but not sure about the other man, who could well be be John Buck.
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I posted the Getty image from the church as it is a side picture of Woolfall.
Need to look into the Hubbard booking again. Showing as a last minute (based on folio number) ‘owner’ booking, so the name may just be coincidental, but so many coincidences!
Alan Pike 5th May 02.37
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Hubbard (Donos = Owner), C5E, 6th May – 9th May
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I wasn’t saying the bloke in the background was Mayhew as for some reason I couldn’t play the videos last night, but I just knew there were people floating around in the background and wondered if Mayhew was amongst them. Having looked this morning I would agree with John Hill, but not sure about the other man, who could well be be John Buck.
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I posted the Getty image from the church as it is a side picture of Woolfall.
Need to look into the Hubbard booking again. Showing as a last minute (based on folio number) ‘owner’ booking, so the name may just be coincidental, but so many coincidences!
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I'm with you now - sorry to put you to so much trouble .Doug D wrote:Verdi, sheets & links to clarify. Sorry, I was trying to be economical with space, but it’s not to be. These are the first (and some of the subsequent) sightings on the guest lists:
I've never taken much notice of the Ocean Club guest list before. I don't know a single word of Portuguese (although some are reasonably obvious) but all those abbreviations and alpha-numeric references totally throw me so I take back my previous comment about a senior Warner member of staff not being accommodated at the Ocean Club!
Needs must when the devil drives as they say - a bit cheapskate sticking senior staff in third rate accommodation. Even the two primary suspects managed an invitation to stay at an ambassador's residence. I still question why their physical presence was desired - what could they achieve in Praia da Luz that couldn't be done back in the UK?
NB: Because of the number of times 'Donos' appears on the guest list and where, I thought it was the name of a travel company .
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As the videos show and stated yesterday, I believe the men in the background are John Hill and John Buck.
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Please excuse the digression, looking again at the Ocean Club guest list, I notice 'owner BKG' featuring a number of times in the tour company column. Being of an inquisitive nature, I googled BKG and look what I found..
Branson Airport - Airport code BKG
I need to rest.
Branson Airport - Airport code BKG
I need to rest.
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No evidence that this is the Rev. so I think it is probably coincidence.
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.
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For whatever it's worth, Craig Mayhew first appears in the call records with Gerry at 0456 on the 5th (a 90 second call, Gerry to him). Unfortunately the available SMS records are more or less useless (all service centre numbers) so I can't say for sure whether that was their first contact.
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Is red folder man in the second video posted by Maymuse above Woolfall?
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Is red folder man in the second video posted by Maymuse above Woolfall?
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Crisis comms expert Alex Woolfall to leave Bell Pottinger for Porter Novelli
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Porter Novelli has poached Bell Pottinger crisis comms expert Alex Woolfall to head up its corporate practice across Europe, the Middle East and Africa.
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Career step: Alex Woolfall moving from Bell Pottinger to Porter Novelli
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Alex Woolfall,as per Bell-Pottinger May 2007,PR to Companies requirements,defuse an embarrassing situation,so that the Business name of Mark Warner can proceed with Take over merger by Thomas Cook,Mark Warner Name,Reputation still un-affected?Verdi wrote:Yes!Doug D wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?
It was planned but the house he and his family were to move into wasn't quite finished so they had to stay somewhere else. I did have a link about this but cannot find it.Doug D wrote:No evidence that this is the Rev. so I think it is probably coincidence.
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.
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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?
Please don't start me off on another conspiracy theory.Nina wrote:It was planned but the house he and his family were to move into wasn't quite finished so they had to stay somewhere else. I did have a link about this but cannot find it.Doug D wrote:No evidence that this is the Rev. so I think it is probably coincidence.
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.
The Hubbards are said to have arrived at Praia da Luz on Sunday 6th May 2007, three days after Madeleine's alleged disappearance.
It was said that they were there on work connected with the church. The nature of that 'work' I don't think was ever clarified. Extraordinary circumstances in my opinion, to second a preacher from Canada to Europe for churchy duties.
It was said that the Hubbards had no connection with the McCanns until they arrived in Praia da Luz.
After their arrival in Praia da Luz, the Hubbards became firm friends with the McCanns.
Haynes Q. Hubbard was said to have been born in Norfolk.
His wife, Susan, is said to speak Portuguese.
Kate McCann's aunt Nora hails from Canada.
The keys to the church in Praia da Luz were said to have been handed over to the McCanns by the Hubbards for private prayer.
Susan Hubbard returned the church keys to whoever when the McCanns fled the country in September 2007.
A church is sacred ground.
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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?
Susan Hubbard contacted OC employee 'Francisca' several times on behalf of the McCanns. 'Francisca' was off duty during the 3 days surrounding the alleged abduction but she did live near the church. It was obvious 'Francisca' felt harassed and intimidated by Mrs. Hubbard's persistent contacts, and she felt like they were accusing her of 'knowing more than she was saying'.
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Jenny Murat v. 2.0? Instead of setting up a street stall to divert vital information from reaching the pj, SEEMS Mrs. Hubbard went right to the source..
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Jenny Murat v. 2.0? Instead of setting up a street stall to divert vital information from reaching the pj, SEEMS Mrs. Hubbard went right to the source..
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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?
Sorry Verdi It was in the parish magazine that when they arrived in PdL the house wasn't quite completed. A single man had lived in it before and it required to be made family friendly. So on their arrival in PdL the builders were still working in it. I have tried to find it for you but no success as yet.Verdi wrote:Please don't start me off on another conspiracy theory.Nina wrote:It was planned but the house he and his family were to move into wasn't quite finished so they had to stay somewhere else. I did have a link about this but cannot find it.Doug D wrote:No evidence that this is the Rev. so I think it is probably coincidence.
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.
The Hubbards are said to have arrived at Praia da Luz on Sunday 6th May 2007, three days after Madeleine's alleged disappearance.
It was said that they were there on work connected with the church. The nature of that 'work' I don't think was ever clarified. Extraordinary circumstances in my opinion, to second a preacher from Canada to Europe for churchy duties.
It was said that the Hubbards had no connection with the McCanns until they arrived in Praia da Luz.
After their arrival in Praia da Luz, the Hubbards became firm friends with the McCanns.
Haynes Q. Hubbard was said to have been born in Norfolk.
His wife, Susan, is said to speak Portuguese.
Kate McCann's aunt Nora hails from Canada.
The keys to the church in Praia da Luz were said to have been handed over to the McCanns by the Hubbards for private prayer.
Susan Hubbard returned the church keys to whoever when the McCanns fled the country in September 2007.
A church is sacred ground.
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Nina wrote:Sorry Verdi It was in the parish magazine that when they arrived in PdL the house wasn't quite completed. A single man had lived in it before and it required to be made family friendly. So on their arrival in PdL the builders were still working in it. I have tried to find it for you but no success as yet.Verdi wrote:Please don't start me off on another conspiracy theory.Nina wrote:It was planned but the house he and his family were to move into wasn't quite finished so they had to stay somewhere else. I did have a link about this but cannot find it.Doug D wrote:No evidence that this is the Rev. so I think it is probably coincidence.
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.
The Hubbards are said to have arrived at Praia da Luz on Sunday 6th May 2007, three days after Madeleine's alleged disappearance.
It was said that they were there on work connected with the church. The nature of that 'work' I don't think was ever clarified. Extraordinary circumstances in my opinion, to second a preacher from Canada to Europe for churchy duties.
It was said that the Hubbards had no connection with the McCanns until they arrived in Praia da Luz.
After their arrival in Praia da Luz, the Hubbards became firm friends with the McCanns.
Haynes Q. Hubbard was said to have been born in Norfolk.
His wife, Susan, is said to speak Portuguese.
Kate McCann's aunt Nora hails from Canada.
The keys to the church in Praia da Luz were said to have been handed over to the McCanns by the Hubbards for private prayer.
Susan Hubbard returned the church keys to whoever when the McCanns fled the country in September 2007.
A church is sacred ground.
Sounds like they arrived ahead of schedule.
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Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?
Sorry Verdi It was in the parish magazine that when they arrived in PdL the house wasn't quite completed. A single man had lived in it before and it required to be made family friendly. So on their arrival in PdL the builders were still working in it. I have tried to find it for you but no success as yet.Verdi wrote:Please don't start me off on another conspiracy theory.Nina wrote:It was planned but the house he and his family were to move into wasn't quite finished so they had to stay somewhere else. I did have a link about this but cannot find it.Doug D wrote:No evidence that this is the Rev. so I think it is probably coincidence.
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.
The Hubbards are said to have arrived at Praia da Luz on Sunday 6th May 2007, three days after Madeleine's alleged disappearance.
It was said that they were there on work connected with the church. The nature of that 'work' I don't think was ever clarified. Extraordinary circumstances in my opinion, to second a preacher from Canada to Europe for churchy duties.
It was said that the Hubbards had no connection with the McCanns until they arrived in Praia da Luz.
After their arrival in Praia da Luz, the Hubbards became firm friends with the McCanns.
Haynes Q. Hubbard was said to have been born in Norfolk.
His wife, Susan, is said to speak Portuguese.
Kate McCann's aunt Nora hails from Canada.
The keys to the church in Praia da Luz were said to have been handed over to the McCanns by the Hubbards for private prayer.
Susan Hubbard returned the church keys to whoever when the McCanns fled the country in September 2007.
A church is sacred ground.
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Nina wrote:Sorry Verdi It was in the parish magazine that when they arrived in PdL the house wasn't quite completed. A single man had lived in it before and it required to be made family friendly. So on their arrival in PdL the builders were still working in it. I have tried to find it for you but no success as yet.Verdi wrote:Please don't start me off on another conspiracy theory.Nina wrote:It was planned but the house he and his family were to move into wasn't quite finished so they had to stay somewhere else. I did have a link about this but cannot find it.Doug D wrote:No evidence that this is the Rev. so I think it is probably coincidence.
Booking C5E (Club Complex 5E, @ Millenium) 6th – 9th May, first shows on 7th May, 07.16 sheet.
This booking is NOT showing 6th May @ 07.05, so a last minute ‘long-weekend’ booking by an owner (donos), probably fairly typical for an ‘owner’ apartment making a late decision to pop over from the UK, with just a phone call to the OC to let them know.
The Rev. Hubbard’s move to PdL was supposedly planned in advance, so it is unlikely that the accommodation that presumably goes with the appointment, would not already have been organized.
The Hubbards are said to have arrived at Praia da Luz on Sunday 6th May 2007, three days after Madeleine's alleged disappearance.
It was said that they were there on work connected with the church. The nature of that 'work' I don't think was ever clarified. Extraordinary circumstances in my opinion, to second a preacher from Canada to Europe for churchy duties.
It was said that the Hubbards had no connection with the McCanns until they arrived in Praia da Luz.
After their arrival in Praia da Luz, the Hubbards became firm friends with the McCanns.
Haynes Q. Hubbard was said to have been born in Norfolk.
His wife, Susan, is said to speak Portuguese.
Kate McCann's aunt Nora hails from Canada.
The keys to the church in Praia da Luz were said to have been handed over to the McCanns by the Hubbards for private prayer.
Susan Hubbard returned the church keys to whoever when the McCanns fled the country in September 2007.
A church is sacred ground.
I vaguely remembered reading something about the house not being ready for their arrival, looking for the source reminded me of all the curiosities surrounding the Hubbards presence in PdL. There was no shortage, at the time, of available preachers for such a small local church so I seriously wonder why someone was flown over to Portugal on a work mission, with his chattels - cuddly cat 'n all. A cynic might be led to believe that this was some kind of divine intervention.
Apart from all the other appendages that have come to light in connection with this case, there has also been a strong religious influence - including the McCanns visit to Pope Benedict, arranged by Clarence Mitchell through the offices of the ex-Archbishop of England, Cormac Murphy O'Connor, who was involved with the cover-up of child sex abuse. Even the Archbishop of York was roped in in latter days. Not bad for a couple of part-time Catholics.
I smell something fishy.
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Scratching around for 'Hubbard' stuff which seems to have gone walkabout, again from memory, hadn't he been out there previously for a short time before going back to Canada and then deciding to come back permanently?
I also have a recollection of reading something about him in the parish newsletter, but can't find it & don't recall what it was actually about.
I also have a recollection of reading something about him in the parish newsletter, but can't find it & don't recall what it was actually about.
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