Re: Leicestershire Police – Naturally complicit or just following orders?

by sallypelt 15.09.16 11:14

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April28th wrote:Craig Mayhew was booked into the OC from the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] of May for sure (after that obviously we don't have the records). For whatever reason his name is listed jumbled as 'Mahye'.
Do we have any indication as to precisely when (i.e. date and time) this booking was actually made please?

According to The Journal, dated 5 May 2007, C Mayhew travelled to Portugal on the 4 May.

The British Ambassador to Portugal, John Stephen Buck, travelled to the Algarve yesterday, as did Mark Warner UK Operations Director Craig Mayhew and a counsellor, but it doesn't say when the booking was made.

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It's also worth posting this paragraph, from the same article, as it shows that the PJ DID search:

"Ocean Club manager John Hill said police showed no signs of letting up in their search, and the McCanns remain at the police station in Portimao helping police piece together what had happened.
Mr Hill said: "My focus is now on supporting the family and their friends here."

by Doug D 15.09.16 11:40

Mayhew doesn't show on this printout dated 1st May.

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and from the records we can see, appears on this one dated 5th May, timed at 02.37 if we can rely on that. Seems a bit strange for admin staff to be working through the night, but as they are both similarly timed (first one @ 03.45), maybe pulling off these prints is something the night duty staff are tasked with. Doesn't narrow it down much.

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by MayMuse 15.09.16 11:54

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MayMuse wrote:There is a video with footage of that particular man greeting G & K whereby Gerry is all smiles, his back is to the camera and G walks towards him ( it was one captured the media on their first walkabouts) I remember because I thought it was RM and found it strange G was, if I recall correctly, shaking hands with Murat, then concluded it was not him. I will try to find it.
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@51.38 2 males with Gerry walking

@54 Gerry & Kate meeting Craig Mayhew?
This is the one I recall however it was on another video footage which was clearer, I've yet to source but will continue looking through the "maze"
Thanks to Hideho the above is the Chile video.

Relooking, @5138 it is Kate & Gerry walking purposefully with the two males John hill and Mayhew? This appears to be the day that Gerry made a speech ( can't seem to find it,was it whooshed ) if you compare what they are wearing on the walk I believe that was the same day @54. 05. Was this the Saturday 5th?
@54.03 this greeting Kate is holding Amelie and I believe they are wearing the same clothes, was this the same day? I find Gerry's smiles this early on quite disturbing.
I will try to find the clearer one of this greeting, as I am unable to recall what video the footage was seen, it is taking some time, but at least it can be viewed on the above.

by Guest 15.09.16 11:57

It's probably MAHYE booked against Warners own company name.

There are a number of typos on those pages.

by sallypelt 15.09.16 11:57

Going by newspaper articles, published on 4th and 5th May 2007, it would be safe to say that Mayhew and Co flew out to Portugal on the 4th of May

by Doug D 15.09.16 11:57

Not on 4^th May, 01.48, which narrows it down a bit more.

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so first one we can see is the 5^th May 02.37.

Just noticed Alan ‘don’t give them your name’ Pike, also appears for the first time at the top of this one on previous page:

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The booking shows as from the 4th, so I'm pretty sure sallypelt is right about him flying out on the 4th, the day the booking was almost certainly made.

by sallypelt 15.09.16 12:02

Interesting to find that Craig Mayhew lives in BRIGHTON. How these coincidences keep mounting up.

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Location: Brighton, United Kingdom
Industry: Leisure, Travel & Tourism
Current: Head of Operations at Educational Travel Group Non Executive Director at Les Ilets de la Plage
Past: Director of Resort Operations at Mark Warner Head of Resort Operations at Mark Warner Resorts Operations Manager at Mark Warner Sun Area Manager at Mark Warner Hotel Manager at Mark Warner

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by MayMuse 15.09.16 12:16

In this newspaper article dated 4th May 2007 it states that Mayhew travelled to Portugal on the afternoon of the 4th.
How did they know this that early?
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Also, this passage quoted I've never seen before this early that someone came in the window and out the door???

Madeleine's aunt, Trish Cameron, who lives in Dumbarton near Glasgow, said her brother, Gerry, called her last night "breaking his heart".
She said his wife had gone to check on the children and "came out screaming".
"He said 'Madeleine's been abducted, she's been abducted'.
"The door was lying open, the window in the bedroom and the shutters had been jemmied open.
"Nothing had been touched in the apartment, no valuables taken, no passports.
"They think someone must have come in the window and gone out the door with her."

by Guest 15.09.16 12:19

Doug D wrote:Not on 4^th May, 01.48, which narrows it down a bit more.

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so first one we can see is the 5^th May 02.37.

Just noticed Alan ‘don’t give them your name’ Pike, also appears for the first time at the top of this one on previous page:

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The booking shows as from the 4th, so I'm pretty sure sallypelt is right about him flying out on the 4th, the day the booking was almost certainly made.

His name isn't on the list for 5th of May either or any time after.

That's one of the reasons I think MAHYE is a typo and he was actually there on the 4th.

The list was hand typed.. you can see that just looking at it.

by MayMuse 15.09.16 12:22

So, where is David Hopkins the managing director of MW as it was said that he flew out too and was present with the McCanns on an interview when they stated that the French doors were left unlocked?

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by Guest 15.09.16 12:48

April28th wrote:Craig Mayhew was booked into the OC from the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] of May for sure (after that obviously we don't have the records). For whatever reason his name is listed jumbled as 'Mahye'.

Interestingly there's an old [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] published on May 5th which ends by saying that he is going to head out to PdL - when in fact he was already there.

'Mark Warner UK Operations Director Craig Mayhew and family liaison officers from Leicestershire police are also travelling to Portugal.'

How do you know for sure that Craig Mayhew was booked in at the Ocean Club between 4th and 11th May 2007?

It seems rather odd to me that one of Warners top men from the UK would travel cattle-class on a Warners charter flight and be booked in at the Ocean Club along with the paying guests booked on a regular package tour.

Not impossible I guess but does appear a trifle out of character. Are you only making an assumption based on a few jumbled letters? I think this is important - not that I'm any doubt that Craig Mayhew was in Praia da Luz on 4th May.

Could be wrong but I think Tony Bennett is trying to establish precise details of when he was summoned to Portugal by his masters and the date/time of his arrival.

by Guest 15.09.16 12:54

MayMuse wrote:So, where is David Hopkins the managing director of MW as it was said that he flew out too and was present with the McCanns on an interview when they stated that the French doors were left unlocked?

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ROBIN CROSSLAND (The Administrator of the resort)
Robin Crossland, the administrator of the resort said he had been present when the McCanns were first interviewed by police soon after Maddy vanished. "They clearly said that they had left the French windows unlocked as they were using them to access the apartment to check on the children throughout their meal," he said.

by Guest 15.09.16 12:58

sallypelt wrote:Interesting to find that Craig Mayhew lives in BRIGHTON. How these coincidences keep mounting up.

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I came across that after BlueBag identified the mystery man as Craig Mayhew.

Small world innit?

by MayMuse 15.09.16 13:08

Verdi wrote:
MayMuse wrote:So, where is David Hopkins the managing director of MW as it was said that he flew out too and was present with the McCanns on an interview when they stated that the French doors were left unlocked?

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ROBIN CROSSLAND (The Administrator of the resort)
Robin Crossland, the administrator of the resort said he had been present when the McCanns were first interviewed by police soon after Maddy vanished. "They clearly said that they had left the French windows unlocked as they were using them to access the apartment to check on the children throughout their meal," he said.

Yes Robin Crossland (administrator) stated that I misread BUT David Hopkins (Manageing Director) FLEW to PDL .. See files.
When did he?

by **Tony Bennett** 15.09.16 13:16

Verdi wrote:
April28th wrote:Craig Mayhew was booked into the OC from the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] of May for sure (after that obviously we don't have the records). For whatever reason his name is listed jumbled as 'Mahye'.

Interestingly there's an old [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] published on May 5th which ends by saying that he is going to head out to PdL - when in fact he was already there.

'Mark Warner UK Operations Director Craig Mayhew and family liaison officers from Leicestershire police are also travelling to Portugal.'
How do you know for sure that Craig Mayhew was booked in at the Ocean Club between 4th and 11th May 2007?

It seems rather odd to me that one of Warners top men from the UK would travel cattle-class on a Warners charter flight and be booked in at the Ocean Club along with the paying guests booked on a regular package tour.

Not impossible I guess but does appear a trifle out of character. Are you only making an assumption based on a few jumbled letters? I think this is important - not that I'm any doubt that Craig Mayhew was in Praia da Luz on 4th May.

Could be wrong but I think Tony Bennett is trying to establish precise details of when he was summoned to Portugal by his masters and the date/time of his arrival.

Yes, now that we've established that Craig Mayhew was actually the Director of Resort Operations and Transportation for Mark Warmer, and not a mere 'bag-carroer', the issue of when he was told to fly out to Praia da Lu, and when he actually did so, become very important.

The mass flights out from the UK by folk from Mark Warner, Bell Pottinger and others the very day after Madeleine was reported missing at 10.00pm the previous night is highly suspicious

by MayMuse 15.09.16 13:23

@TonyBennett said

The mass flights out from the UK by folk from Mark Warner, Bell Pottinger and others the very day after Madeleine was reported missing at 10.00pm the previous night is highly suspicious

I agree, and how could the Herald article on the 4th ( see my earlier post) know that Mayhew was flying out that very afternoon? Surely due to printing time etc this seems rather far fetched that they could let the public know that same day? So they must have known in advance, due to printing time and distribution? How much in advance would they have needed?
And where did they get their information from?

by willowthewisp 15.09.16 13:28

Hi Verdi,Do you not think it some what strange that the person responsible for overseas management on behalf of Mark Warner Company,(Craig Mayhew)was not already on site present for the start of a new Holiday Season,be it a little early,April-May 2007?

by willowthewisp 15.09.16 13:35

Hi Verdi,Do you not think it some what strange that the person responsible for overseas management on behalf of Mark Warner Company,(Craig Mayhew)was not already on site present for the start of a new Holiday Season,be it a little early,April-May 2007?
Bluebags, post seems to suggest London Based,but overall responsibility for three components of Mark Warner,one was Sun,Alpine plus one other region?

by Doug D 15.09.16 13:40

Bluebag:

‘His name isn't on the list for 5th of May either or any time after.’

Yes it is. Little doubt in my mind that ‘Mahye’ is Mayhew.

Alan Pike booked in under folio 33782

‘Mahye’ booked in under 33781

None of the other folio numbers come near those and are likely to have been booked some time before (ie holiday bookings)

List for 6^th May shows:

33791 ‘Alex’

33792 ‘David’

33793 ‘Kuri’

‘Mayhe’ does still appear

7^th

33800 Hubbard

‘Mayye’ now has (Staff) annotation, as do Alex, David & Kuri

…………………………………

Maymuse:

…David Hopkins…..?

Again an assumption, but ‘David’ fits the bill.

……………………………………..

Verdi:

‘It seems rather odd to me that one of Warners top men from the UK would travel cattle-class on a Warners charter flight’

We don’t have any information as to what flights they came in on as far as I can see.

by MayMuse 15.09.16 13:48

Doug D wrote:Bluebag:

‘His name isn't on the list for 5th of May either or any time after.’

Yes it is. Little doubt in my mind that ‘Mahye’ is Mayhew.

Alan Pike booked in under folio 33782

‘Mahye’ booked in under 33781

None of the other folio numbers come near those and are likely to have been booked some time before (ie holiday bookings)

List for 6^th May shows:

33791 ‘Alex’

33792 ‘David’

33793 ‘Kuri’

‘Mayhe’ does still appear

7^th

33800 Hubbard

‘Mayye’ now has (Staff) annotation, as do Alex, David & Kuri

…………………………………

Maymuse:

…David Hopkins…..?

Again an assumption, but ‘David’ fits the bill.

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Verdi:

‘It seems rather odd to me that one of Warners top men from the UK would travel cattle-class on a Warners charter flight’

We don’t have any information as to what flights they came in on as far as I can see.

Yes, looking at that and the folio number it seems to run in sequence, David could be the David Hopkins. Why log just the names singular, either by their first name or surname? Why not their full names? Is this because whoever wrote the log knew who they were so no need and to distinguish as they do the "holiday makers" ?

by Doug D 15.09.16 13:56

I would suggest it's more likely that a phone call was received from Head Office, London asking them to book rooms for 'David, Kuri, & Alex' which is precisely what they did.

by Guest 15.09.16 14:04

Tony Bennett wrote:

Yes, now that we've established that Craig Mayhew was actually the Director of Resort Operations and Transportation for Mark Warmer, and not a mere 'bag-carroer', the issue of when he was told to fly out to Praia da Lu, and when he actually did so, become very important.

The mass flights out from the UK by folk from Mark Warner, Bell Pottinger and others the very day after Madeleine was reported missing at 10.00pm the previous night is highly suspicious

Less than 24 hours after and possibly as little as 12 hours or less after.

Mark Warner... is plausible.... however Bell Pottinger top crisis manager person.... I'm struggling.

It could not be deemed a corporate crisis at that stage.

by willowthewisp 15.09.16 14:18

Hi Bluebag,Bellpottinger just so happened to have been in the Prai Da Luis area offering early summer discounts on"Crisis Management"Thesis from 21 April-28 April 2007,then had to Fly back to London to put the"Theory"Management Crisis into effect,Receiving £500,000 pounds from the "Find Madeleine Fund"to keep the Missing Madeleine story in the headlines for a minimum of Twelve Months,aka Leveson Inquiry,Ker Ching,double Bubble for one Job!?

by Guest 15.09.16 15:07

Are you saying Alex Woolfall was already there or flew out from London on 4th May?

by Guest 15.09.16 15:16

MayMuse wrote:
Verdi wrote:
MayMuse wrote:So, where is David Hopkins the managing director of MW as it was said that he flew out too and was present with the McCanns on an interview when they stated that the French doors were left unlocked?

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ROBIN CROSSLAND (The Administrator of the resort)
Robin Crossland, the administrator of the resort said he had been present when the McCanns were first interviewed by police soon after Maddy vanished. "They clearly said that they had left the French windows unlocked as they were using them to access the apartment to check on the children throughout their meal," he said.
Yes Robin Crossland (administrator) stated that I misread BUT David Hopkins (Manageing Director) FLEW to PDL .. See files.
When did he?

I'm not entirely sure David Hopkins did in fact fly out to Portugal, I don't know where this information featured on Pamalam's blog comes from. I suspect it's from a press report in which case it can be viewed as questionable - the press are not known for attention to detail or accuracy.

Still, whether he did or didn't, I think there was enough senior personnel from various organisations in attendance on 4th/5th May and the following week to arouse suspicion and/or curiosity. The PJ investigation had hardly got off the ground, Madeleine could have been found at any time, yet there they were, gathering at top speek like a pack of hungry wolves.

IF Madeleine did disappear on the night of 3rd May 2007, as claimed by her parents and their adherents, it appears very strange that all these bigwigs arrived at the Ocean Club within hours. If however, she disappeared sometime prior to the night of 3rd May 2007, then matters become more understandable..

by Guest 15.09.16 15:28

Doug D wrote:
Verdi:

‘It seems rather odd to me that one of Warners top men from the UK would travel cattle-class on a Warners charter flight’

We don’t have any information as to what flights they came in on as far as I can see.

Granted, I admit I was making an assumption based on the fact that this name, which has presumed to be an anagram of Mayhew, is listed as being a Mark Warner client and thus grouped with the rest of Warner guests booked for the period.

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by MayMuse 15.09.16 15:32

Verdi wrote:
MayMuse wrote:
Verdi wrote:
MayMuse wrote:So, where is David Hopkins the managing director of MW as it was said that he flew out too and was present with the McCanns on an interview when they stated that the French doors were left unlocked?

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ROBIN CROSSLAND (The Administrator of the resort)
Robin Crossland, the administrator of the resort said he had been present when the McCanns were first interviewed by police soon after Maddy vanished. "They clearly said that they had left the French windows unlocked as they were using them to access the apartment to check on the children throughout their meal," he said.
Yes Robin Crossland (administrator) stated that I misread BUT David Hopkins (Manageing Director) FLEW to PDL .. See files.
When did he?
I'm not entirely sure David Hopkins did in fact fly out to Portugal, I don't know where this information featured on Pamalam's blog comes from. I suspect it's from a press report in which case it can be viewed as questionable - the press are not known for attention to detail or accuracy.

Still, whether he did or didn't, I think there was enough senior personnel from various organisations in attendance on 4th/5th May and the following week to arouse suspicion and/or curiosity. The PJ investigation had hardly got off the ground, Madeleine could have been found at any time, yet there they were, gathering at top speek like a pack of hungry wolves.

IF Madeleine did disappear on the night of 3rd May 2007, as claimed by her parents and their adherents, it appears very strange that all these bigwigs arrived at the Ocean Club within hours. If however, she disappeared sometime prior to the night of 3rd May 2007, then matters become more understandable..

..No reason to question Pamalams site... see Dougd post... ref lists of names, makes sense.
Albeit I believe he flew out, what matters is that there was a plethora of people from MW (& the media) who gathered in PDL pretty smart-ish!
I can understand to a degree, MW personnel probably to ensure they were not liable i.e. that they were to blame in anyway?
The reporting via different news aspects, was indeed very early in Madeleines disappearance.
My questions are not just why but how they and/or information reached so fast?

From what source... Clarence wasn't around then was he?

by **Nina** 15.09.16 17:10

And as an aside, booking a flight, travelling to the airport to arrive 2 hours before take off, then the flight itself all takes time.

by Doug D 15.09.16 18:10

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Another puzzle about Alex Woolfall, recalled Gerry, was why he told ‘The Times’ that he had flown out to Praia da Luz on Saturday 5th May when, in fact, he had flown out on Friday 4th May, the day after Madeleine had disappeared.

In order for Woolfall to arrive on the Friday, the management team at Mark Warners in Praia da Luz – and presumably their headquarters – would have had to demand Woofall’s presence in Praia da Luz almost immediately. Gerry wondered why there had been such a rush to fly Woolfall out. Was it because Mark Warners feared the consequences of it being confirmed that a young child had been abducted from their complex? Gerry recalled that initially, in the first hours after Madeleine had disappeared, John Hill, Mark Warners’ manager at Praia da Luz, had cast doubt as to whether any abduction had actually taken place. He had soon changed his mind, thank goodness.

It had been at 10.00pm on Friday 4th May – exactly 24 hours’ after Madeleine had been reported missing – when Gerry had so courageously spoken to the press. This was how Woolfall had described it in his article in ‘The Times’ on 6th October 2007:
“I met the couple for the first time at their new apartment. [The McCanns] were behaving exactly as I thought someone in that situation would be behaving. They had not slept. They were exhausted and despairing but thinking, ‘Should we go outside and say something that might get her back?’ They said they wanted to head downstairs and talk to the media. They were very tired, but that was one thing they were determined to do. So I went out to alert journalists and returned to the McCanns. They wrote down what they wanted to say and went out and gave a short statement. After that, they were completely spent. You could tell there was nothing left”.
Gerry himself had described the occasion in a Vanity Fair article published on 10 January 2008: “The day after Madeleine was abducted, as Kate and I left the police station, there were 150 journalists in front of it. Alex Woolfall explained to me that either I interact with the media or we would be hounded by the press”.
He momentarily noted that he and Alex Woolfall were not quite singing from the same hymn sheet on this issue. Woolfall had said it was him and Kate who were wanting to make a statement, he realised, whereas Gerry had maintained that it was Woolfall who had pushed him into making a statement.
He let out a momentary sigh.
But, as always, he had told the truth. It was indeed Woolfall who had persuaded them into making that statement to the press. So Woolfall had got it wrong by claiming that he and Kate had been pushing to make a statement.

And, strangely, Woolfall had also got it wrong in stating, as he had done more than once, that he had flown out to Praia da Luz ‘36 hours’ after Madeleine disappeared, on 5th May.

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by MayMuse 15.09.16 18:57

Doug D wrote:Snipped:

Another puzzle about Alex Woolfall, recalled Gerry, was why he told ‘The Times’ that he had flown out to Praia da Luz on Saturday 5th May when, in fact, he had flown out on Friday 4th May, the day after Madeleine had disappeared.

In order for Woolfall to arrive on the Friday, the management team at Mark Warners in Praia da Luz – and presumably their headquarters – would have had to demand Woofall’s presence in Praia da Luz almost immediately. Gerry wondered why there had been such a rush to fly Woolfall out. Was it because Mark Warners feared the consequences of it being confirmed that a young child had been abducted from their complex? Gerry recalled that initially, in the first hours after Madeleine had disappeared, John Hill, Mark Warners’ manager at Praia da Luz, had cast doubt as to whether any abduction had actually taken place. He had soon changed his mind, thank goodness.

It had been at 10.00pm on Friday 4th May – exactly 24 hours’ after Madeleine had been reported missing – when Gerry had so courageously spoken to the press. This was how Woolfall had described it in his article in ‘The Times’ on 6th October 2007:
“I met the couple for the first time at their new apartment. [The McCanns] were behaving exactly as I thought someone in that situation would be behaving. They had not slept. They were exhausted and despairing but thinking, ‘Should we go outside and say something that might get her back?’ They said they wanted to head downstairs and talk to the media. They were very tired, but that was one thing they were determined to do. So I went out to alert journalists and returned to the McCanns. They wrote down what they wanted to say and went out and gave a short statement. After that, they were completely spent. You could tell there was nothing left”.
Gerry himself had described the occasion in a Vanity Fair article published on 10 January 2008: “The day after Madeleine was abducted, as Kate and I left the police station, there were 150 journalists in front of it. Alex Woolfall explained to me that either I interact with the media or we would be hounded by the press”.
He momentarily noted that he and Alex Woolfall were not quite singing from the same hymn sheet on this issue. Woolfall had said it was him and Kate who were wanting to make a statement, he realised, whereas Gerry had maintained that it was Woolfall who had pushed him into making a statement.
He let out a momentary sigh.
But, as always, he had told the truth. It was indeed Woolfall who had persuaded them into making that statement to the press. So Woolfall had got it wrong by claiming that he and Kate had been pushing to make a statement.

And, strangely, Woolfall had also got it wrong in stating, as he had done more than once, that he had flown out to Praia da Luz ‘36 hours’ after Madeleine disappeared, on 5th May.

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Thanks Dougd...Added last part of chapter as think may be significant as to the disparities surrounding;

And, strangely, Woolfall had also got it wrong in stating, as he had done more than once, that he had flown out to Praia da Luz ‘36 hours’ after Madeleine disappeared, on 5th May. Well, he was an old man. In his fifties, anyway. Perhaps his memory was beginning to go.
And there was a third thing that had puzzled him about Woolfall’s pronouncements. In the article in ‘The Times’, Woolfall had claimed that ‘during the first two weeks, the McCanns were not considering abduction and only started to consider this as an option as I was leaving two weeks later’. He’d added: “They gave no indication that they thought she had been snatched, let alone by a paedophile. Their early assumption was that she had wandered off and had an accident or been taken in by a well-meaning stranger. Certainly I did not hear any discussion that this could be a paedophile or an aggravated robbery. All the time I was around, it was whether she could have wandered off or somebody had actually taken her in, perhaps not with ill-intent”.
He’d even added: “During the first 48 hours, the word being used was ‘missing’ rather than ‘abducted’ or any link with a paedophile or any sort of crime. Towards the end of the second week I detected a shift towards there being a consciousness that she had probably been taken rather than wandered off, just on the assumption that anybody would have found her by now”.
Gerry’s recollection again differed greatly from Wollfall's

Edit. I wonder why Kate felt it necessary to point out these discrepancies ?