Justice or Whitewash?

by Guest 26.10.13 9:09

I don't think it's necessary for a third option ( 3. Don't know) because none of us know but maybe we can vote with our gut instinct...

by SixMillionQuid 26.10.13 9:31

We've had two confirmations that the parents are not suspects. The parent's have not been made Arguido again despite the case being re opened. Sorry but I don't were else you can go from there.

by MrsC 26.10.13 9:43

In my heart I believe it will be a whitewash. sad

But I also believe that we all have to reap what we sow. So one way or another...

by stillsloppingout 26.10.13 10:00

SixMillionQuid wrote:We've had two confirmations that the parents are not suspects. The parent's have not been made Arguido again despite the case being re opened. Sorry but I don't were else you can go from there.

If they are allowed to look at ALL the info then game over .[ some of it maybe to give the impression they are working with them ] .
Because if they were made Arguido , they would NOT step foot back in Portugal again . so rock and hard place .

Without a body, with it full exoneration ,[ platitudes from fawning SY coppers don't count ,] they will never be truly cleared in the publics eyes .

And i, know for one, organisations and charities that will not touch them .

[ BTW it is very creepy taking pic's in a busy room at an event, and bumping into one of the main protagonist's , it doe's send you cold ] . I wont mention any names .

by tiredofthebs 26.10.13 11:43

100% whitewash.

They have been whitewashing it for the last 6 years. Nothing that has happened recently makes me think it will be any different.

In fact, Redwood has now let Jane Tanner off the hook. She can now never face charges for lying about what she saw. They are winding the case down and covering everyone's back.

by iamfreecanigo 26.10.13 11:44

Yea, they arnt going to be suspects, this isnt an attempt to secretly get them to portual, they are home free. Its a joke, but its whats happening and we need to live with it

by sami 26.10.13 11:57

Justice now the Portugese are back in the picture.

I have seen no evidence they are no longer suspects, only press reports. I have seen no evidence of them attending the meeting in Lisbon and being kept in the loop. They were spoken with after the meeting, not the same thing at all.

They have not yet made the application to become assistants. It may still be refused, if they go ahead with the application. That's a gamble for them, if they are refused it sends out the message they are still suspects. I shall be interested to see if they go ahead with this.

The finding of the innocent British father may be to protect tanner if she has confessed to lying and spilled the beans. Only speculation on my part, but as things stand it is a possibility.

No prosecution for neglect because maybe there was no neglect or indeed there my be legal reasons why these charges cannot be brought.

by ultimaThule 26.10.13 12:10

Can we have a 'both' option?

I've voted 'justice' because I believe those responsible for this child's disappearance will be brought to account in the not too distant future but given that they are habitual, albeit not particularly good, liars, I also believe we may never know the unvarnished truth of why it was necessary for her to disappear.

I'm convinced there has been conspiracy in this case, but not of the type involving high ranking government officials/the Catholic church/etc having some vested interest in covering their backsides. IMO the truth in this particular matter is that a comparatively small group of deeply odious individuals exploited the compassion which all right-minded people feel on the loss of a child and used their professional status to manipulate the media.

IME politicians, press barons, and would-be philanthropists will go to extraordinary lengths to avoid being seen with egg on their faces. Once they've nailed their colours to the mast they opt to keep them aloft rather than lose face but, when faced with the possibility of their poor judgement being exposed for all to see, it's also extraordinary how quickly the colours come down and the cannons are loaded.

Following a series of blunders and gaffes which have placed their competence to police the capital under close scrutiny by their political masters, and given other high profile operations they are 'masterminding' (I use the word lightly), SY are well aware they have a lot to prove and, given the PJ's desire to erase the stain left on their reputation by a bunch of low life opportunists, I have no doubt both forces are working together to apprehend the perpetrators of this heinous crime, or crimes as the case may be.

Although my optimism doesn't exceed my realism I believe that, at very long last, justice will prevail for Madeleine McCann.

by ultimaThule 26.10.13 12:21

You have my deepest sympathy, stillsloppingout. Viewing certain individuals via the medium of the small screen makes my skin crawl and the thought of seeing, let alone meeting, any of them in the flesh is the stuff of nightmares. affraid

by plebgate 26.10.13 12:24

Yes well and truly off the fence now - Justice.

If no justice then I think the internet will collapse with all the calls of WHITEWASH worldwide.

The internet is a wonderful thing, we have become so used to it now I think we forget what it was like without it.

by notlongnow 26.10.13 12:24

I swing back and forth daily (oo er) but i'm in the camp that Justice will happen today,who knows how i will feel tomorrow.
Can't see why they would cause all this fuss if it was going to be a whitewash.

I believe taking the Paynes out of the CW show is an important part.

by Okeydokey 26.10.13 12:46

notlongnow wrote:I swing back and forth daily (oo er) but i'm in the camp that Justice will happen today,who knows how i will feel tomorrow.
Can't see why they would cause all this fuss if it was going to be a whitewash.

I believe taking the Paynes out of the CW show is an important part.

I know what you mean!

My current thinking is that there is a big difference between NSY and PJ enquiries. NSY seems more like a whitewash, but one constrained by AR's need to maintain some modicum of professional self-respect, hence the ditching of the JT sighting. AR seems to have gone out of his way to facilitate Team McCanns' narrative. With the PJ, I am not sure. Even Rebelo couldn't bring himself to positively clear the McCanns, he essentially came out with an "insufficient evidence" verdict, but couched in words that were capable of being construed as "innocent" (or was it someone who put that gloss on his soft-pedalling investigation).

It will be interesting to hear what Amaral says about the new PJ inquiry. I will be v. interested to hear what he says.

by sallypelt 26.10.13 12:50

Okeydokey wrote:
notlongnow wrote:I swing back and forth daily (oo er) but i'm in the camp that Justice will happen today,who knows how i will feel tomorrow.
Can't see why they would cause all this fuss if it was going to be a whitewash.

I believe taking the Paynes out of the CW show is an important part.
I know what you mean!

My current thinking is that there is a big difference between NSY and PJ enquiries. NSY seems more like a whitewash, but one constrained by AR's need to maintain some modicum of professional self-respect, hence the ditching of the JT sighting. AR seems to have gone out of his way to facilitate Team McCanns' narrative. With the PJ, I am not sure. Even Rebelo couldn't bring himself to positively clear the McCanns, he essentially came out with an "insufficient evidence" verdict, but couched in words that were capable of being construed as "innocent".

It will be interesting to hear what Amaral says about the new PJ inquiry. I will be v. interested to hear what he says.

The phone call analysis is conspicuous by their absence, but if D Payne had his mobile on him at the time he said he was in the McCann's apartment, and his mobile phone says he was nowhere near the apartment, then Payne has some explaining to do.

I have always felt that the mobile phones hold the answer to unlocking this case. Let's not forget, that the PJ have information that was never allowed to be used, as it's illegal to use information in retrospect.

by garfy 26.10.13 13:29

I have voted justice .....their must be going to be a twist in all this .........[i have heard before were the police have said a certaine person is not a suspect and then they have been charged]...like they deny things so as not to hinder the investigation etc etc

IMO ...jt sighting of abduct er was whoosh clucked ........to convenient [mayby the start of the collapse of the timeline]....the release of the e fit

i watched crocodile tears last night worth a watch ...even if seen before ......the comment its not how they act its what they say ...seeing if the story stays the same ....

to me there appearance on crime watch seemed strange ......................maybe because of an ulterior motive....

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by Silver Shuffle 26.10.13 13:32

I have voted Justice.... if it's to be a whitewash I believe the dastardly duo would look much more at ease.... a smirky Gerry for example. Kate looks absolutely terrible!

by Guest 26.10.13 14:13

notlongnow wrote:I swing back and forth daily (oo er) but i'm in the camp that Justice will happen today,who knows how i will feel tomorrow.
Can't see why they would cause all this fuss if it was going to be a whitewash.

I believe taking the Paynes out of the CW show is an important part.

I say whitewash because of the recent comments from Redwood, Theresa May et al. I do agree that there is a major reason for the omission of the Paynes in the CW programme but is it because of the link to the Gaspar statement. I just don't know what to think anymore.

by notlongnow 26.10.13 14:18

melisande wrote:
notlongnow wrote:I swing back and forth daily (oo er) but i'm in the camp that Justice will happen today,who knows how i will feel tomorrow.
Can't see why they would cause all this fuss if it was going to be a whitewash.

I believe taking the Paynes out of the CW show is an important part.
I say whitewash because of the recent comments from Redwood, Theresa May et al. I do agree that there is a major reason for the omission of the Paynes in the CW programme but is it because of the link to the Gaspar statement. I just don't know what to think anymore.

Any idea why that would matter in the CW show?

by Ollie1 26.10.13 14:52

I voted justice and believe there will be justice for Madeleine. The CPS went to Portugal, the review became an investigation, we had CW and now the Portugese have reopened the case. DCI Redmond said something along the lines of all the strands coming together, IMO they have which has resulted in the reopening of the case.

by Beanie 26.10.13 16:06

I am hoping for justice. The fact that the case has been reopened and is running separately to SY investigation is what I am holding on to. Plus the fact that Kate and Gerry have applied for assistant status makes me think they are very afraid of where the PJ investigation is heading.

by littlepixie 26.10.13 16:15

I swing from Justice to Whitewash and back but I am now leaning towards Justice.

They had their whitewash 6 years ago and that should have been enough.

There's no need to whitewash it again.

I get the feeling that something major has changed this time.

by marxman 26.10.13 16:31

I voted justice, because this is just too big of case to cover up.
In order to whitewash a thing you must have near total control
over all aspects, players, press, police and Politicians, and also
two sovereign judiciaries, not to mention a reasonable and
realistic likelihood that it will remain whitewashed over time, and
the ever changing conscience/allegiances of all involved.
Furthermore, the internet in it's present form, will ensure that
a whitewash is unrealistic and unattainable.

by Guest 26.10.13 16:33

notlongnow wrote:
melisande wrote:
notlongnow wrote:I swing back and forth daily (oo er) but i'm in the camp that Justice will happen today,who knows how i will feel tomorrow.
Can't see why they would cause all this fuss if it was going to be a whitewash.

I believe taking the Paynes out of the CW show is an important part.
I say whitewash because of the recent comments from Redwood, Theresa May et al. I do agree that there is a major reason for the omission of the Paynes in the CW programme but is it because of the link to the Gaspar statement. I just don't know what to think anymore.
Any idea why that would matter in the CW show?

It shouldn't matter but clearly the show was well edited before being aired to the point of being useless. My thoughts are that lawyers for the paynes made sure they were not included in the programme. I can only guess that it is because of the gaspar statements and possibly the paedophilia accusations on social network sites. Links to the gaspar statements are one of the top links posted on twitter imo. Next to Gerry and Kate, his name pops up the most.

by chillyheat 26.10.13 16:43

A sinister agenda.....
Cant give either really, because I truly believe we will see Madeleine stood in front of a thousand photographers, soon in my opinion.
A highly political agenda will be the outcome.

by Woofer 26.10.13 16:46

I have voted whitewash as I believe it has always been possible to conspire to keep unsavoury happenings covered up as we have seen many times in the past.

But I am of the opinion that even if it is a whitewash, their reputation will be tainted for ever more.

by Woofer 26.10.13 16:47

ChillyHeat wrote:A sinister agenda.....
Cant give either really, because I truly believe we will see Madeleine stood in front of a thousand photographers, soon in my opinion.
A highly political agenda will be the outcome.

Or a new religion.

by Praiaaa 26.10.13 16:47

Until the PJ re-opened I thought it would be a whitewash, so low has SY sunk in my regard

But I have hope now, as I can see no reason for the PJ to open unless they have a realistic chance of convicting whoever the perp/s may be.

by Hicks 26.10.13 17:00

It has to be justice. Why would the Portuguese collude in a cover up? That wouldn't make sense......unless.... the outlandish rumours circulating the web are in fact true. Nothing would surprise me anymore.

by Beanie 26.10.13 18:11

We have all for many years kept asking why the PJ have not come out fighting against the way the McCanns their friends, family and the press have slated them at every turn. IMO they have been patiently waiting letting SY do their own thing whilst they have been quietly working in the background gathering evidence. I am now hopeful the evidence gathered is enough to finally get justice for Madeleine.

by Sockpuppet 26.10.13 18:17

What on earth would be the point of a white-wash?

I voted justice.

by sofa 26.10.13 18:18

They close the investigation when GA was removed although the MC were closed to be charged. Therefore, unless GA is taken over (which obviously will never happen) I believe it is a whitewash. The PJ reopening the case will only re-enforce the MC being innocent.