NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
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Madeleine taken by a paedophile, comment by Gerry.
The Gasper statements.
Bathing of the other children within the group by Payne.
The provocative photos of Madeleine that were released.
Yvonne Martin believing she had met Paine in her area of work in child protection.
Now we know that the McC's were entertained by Clement Freud outed as a paedophile.
Not forgetting Philomena's husband and his fetish.
Jon Corner's inappropriate description of Madeleine.
All in all a very unsavoury train of matters that give rise to concern....yet ignored by those who should be dealing with the matter of a missing child.
The Gasper statements.
Bathing of the other children within the group by Payne.
The provocative photos of Madeleine that were released.
Yvonne Martin believing she had met Paine in her area of work in child protection.
Now we know that the McC's were entertained by Clement Freud outed as a paedophile.
Not forgetting Philomena's husband and his fetish.
Jon Corner's inappropriate description of Madeleine.
All in all a very unsavoury train of matters that give rise to concern....yet ignored by those who should be dealing with the matter of a missing child.
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Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
How Clement Freud invited Kate and Gerry McCann for lunch after Madeleine disappeared 3/58
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Kate and Gerry McCann were two months into the search for their missing daughter Madeleine when they received a letter out of the blue.
It was from Sir Clement Freud, inviting them for a meal at his holiday home in Praia da Luz, a short drive from the Ocean Club, where Madeleine had vanished on May 3, 2007.
“I’m embarrassed to admit that Gerry and I thought this letter was a hoax,” Mrs McCann wrote in her book, Madeleine.
Gerry McCann phoned the number on the letter, discovered it was not a prank, and the next day the McCanns were at Freud’s villa with their twins Sean and Amelie, plus three friends who had stayed in Portugal to help them.
Freud, 83, broke the ice by offering them strawberry vodka.
“I’m usually very intimidated by people with brains the size of planets,” wrote Mrs McCann, “but Clement was incredibly warm, funny and instantly likeable.”
He cooked a “bloody marvellous” meal of watercress and egg salad followed by a chicken and mushroom risotto, “the best risotto we’ve ever tasted before or since”.
Mrs McCann wrote: “Clement cheered us up with his lugubrious wit, and would continue to do so by email after his return to England.”
By August 31, after spending a few weeks in England, Freud was back in Portugal and called Gerry McCann as soon as he arrived.
Freud made a joke out of newspaper reports that Mr McCann was close to a breakdown. “Thank God for people like Clement who kept us smiling,” Mrs McCann wrote.
On the day the McCanns were formally made suspects in the investigation in September 2007, they had been due to go to dinner at Freud’s house again, but cancelled it.
Nevertheless, he rang them at 9.50pm that night to invite them for a drink, while warning them: “You’ll have to forgive my night-time attire.”
Mrs McCann recalled: “We found Clement watching a cookery programme, dressed, as promised, in his nightshirt. It was so ordinary and comforting, a bit like going to see your grandad after a horrible day at school.
“He gave me one of his looks and a giant glass of brandy, and managed to get a smile out of me with his greeting: ‘So, Kate, which of the devout Catholic, alcoholic, depressed, nymphomaniac parts is correct?’
“His response to our catalogue of horrors was merely to raise an eyebrow. Clement had this way of making everything seem a little less terrible. When he heard about the [sniffer] dogs [which had indicated the scent of death in the McCann’s hire car], he remarked laconically, ‘So what are they going to do? Put them on the stand? One bark for yes, two for no?’
“He was right, of course; it was ridiculous. A couple of hours later, fortified by our brandies (it was my first-ever taste of the stuff), some useful snippets of advice and several amusing anecdotes, we left our friend feeling quite a bit better than we had when we’d arrived.”
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Kate and Gerry McCann were two months into the search for their missing daughter Madeleine when they received a letter out of the blue.
It was from Sir Clement Freud, inviting them for a meal at his holiday home in Praia da Luz, a short drive from the Ocean Club, where Madeleine had vanished on May 3, 2007.
“I’m embarrassed to admit that Gerry and I thought this letter was a hoax,” Mrs McCann wrote in her book, Madeleine.
Gerry McCann phoned the number on the letter, discovered it was not a prank, and the next day the McCanns were at Freud’s villa with their twins Sean and Amelie, plus three friends who had stayed in Portugal to help them.
Freud, 83, broke the ice by offering them strawberry vodka.
“I’m usually very intimidated by people with brains the size of planets,” wrote Mrs McCann, “but Clement was incredibly warm, funny and instantly likeable.”
He cooked a “bloody marvellous” meal of watercress and egg salad followed by a chicken and mushroom risotto, “the best risotto we’ve ever tasted before or since”.
Mrs McCann wrote: “Clement cheered us up with his lugubrious wit, and would continue to do so by email after his return to England.”
By August 31, after spending a few weeks in England, Freud was back in Portugal and called Gerry McCann as soon as he arrived.
Freud made a joke out of newspaper reports that Mr McCann was close to a breakdown. “Thank God for people like Clement who kept us smiling,” Mrs McCann wrote.
On the day the McCanns were formally made suspects in the investigation in September 2007, they had been due to go to dinner at Freud’s house again, but cancelled it.
Nevertheless, he rang them at 9.50pm that night to invite them for a drink, while warning them: “You’ll have to forgive my night-time attire.”
Mrs McCann recalled: “We found Clement watching a cookery programme, dressed, as promised, in his nightshirt. It was so ordinary and comforting, a bit like going to see your grandad after a horrible day at school.
“He gave me one of his looks and a giant glass of brandy, and managed to get a smile out of me with his greeting: ‘So, Kate, which of the devout Catholic, alcoholic, depressed, nymphomaniac parts is correct?’
“His response to our catalogue of horrors was merely to raise an eyebrow. Clement had this way of making everything seem a little less terrible. When he heard about the [sniffer] dogs [which had indicated the scent of death in the McCann’s hire car], he remarked laconically, ‘So what are they going to do? Put them on the stand? One bark for yes, two for no?’
“He was right, of course; it was ridiculous. A couple of hours later, fortified by our brandies (it was my first-ever taste of the stuff), some useful snippets of advice and several amusing anecdotes, we left our friend feeling quite a bit better than we had when we’d arrived.”
Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
I have read that Freud was not in Portugal at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, but does anyone know his whereabouts at this time and during the previous week?
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Why not, the pensioner upstairs, of similar age, on her own, chased off a burglar and grabbed him by the ankles as he leapt through her third storey window.
Was Freud that burglar too?
plebgate wrote:Yeah an 83 year old with his zimmer frame who didn't leave any DNA in the apartment, not even a splash of strawberry vodka was found.jeanmonroe wrote:"Nic....NIC! Iz found the missing piece of the puzzle ain't i! It musta been that Clammy Freud geezer wot 'smashed' the shutter, wot Ka£e told us, and the world, about'
"How so Detective Bright?"
"Wiv hiz zimmer frame, of course, innit! He wuz 83 weren't he?"
"Brilliant, Bright! The 'plebs' will deffo buy that!
'One last booze run to Portugal, Ma'am?"
"I dunno, we've only got £95 grand left in the 'kitty' for this year, oh go on then! Yuse guys get me every time!"
Why not, the pensioner upstairs, of similar age, on her own, chased off a burglar and grabbed him by the ankles as he leapt through her third storey window.
Was Freud that burglar too?
Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
tinkier wrote:"The pink pimping pimp" Love it!pennylane wrote:More column inches for the gruesome twosome, and more work for the pink pimping pimp. It's a job for life!
Fits him so well doesn't it! Then there's his 'stable' of sleazy journalists at Sky News and elsewhere, willing to commit the indecent act of reporting whatever he so desired, no matter how baseless, morally bankrupt, or xenophobic..... all for a fast buck! One hand washes the other, but neither comes out clean.
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REF; Newsflash Clement Freud
So the Metropolitan Police are to investigate the unveiling of Clement Freud as part of the missing Madeleine McCann, Operation Grange,didn't the Metropolitan Police already investigate the possible Paedophile involvement in 2007/08 and connections to European rapes and Murders,involving MI 5/6 in the process?
Would anyone care to peruse the Anngirfan site on the latest Madeleine McCann posting, be aware it is a very long piece of writing and involves a huge amount of people if they are Right, a World wide issue?
Would anyone care to peruse the Anngirfan site on the latest Madeleine McCann posting, be aware it is a very long piece of writing and involves a huge amount of people if they are Right, a World wide issue?
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Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
I don't think for one moment that Clement Freud has anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance. What I am questioning is, all the sleazy fraudsters and criminals that seem to surround the McCanns. I won't mention them as they are well known, but this association with the paedophile, Frued, is just one to coincidences too many.
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Oh err don't give the papers idea Sharonl. They may well be able to find a "friend" who could confirm he turned into Super Gramp with enough strawberry vodkas in him.sharonl wrote:Gplebgate wrote:Yeah an 83 year old with his zimmer frame who didn't leave any DNA in the apartment, not even a splash of strawberry vodka was found.jeanmonroe wrote:"Nic....NIC! Iz found the missing piece of the puzzle ain't i! It musta been that Clammy Freud geezer wot 'smashed' the shutter, wot Ka£e told us, and the world, about'
"How so Detective Bright?"
"Wiv hiz zimmer frame, of course, innit! He wuz 83 weren't he?"
"Brilliant, Bright! The 'plebs' will deffo buy that!
'One last booze run to Portugal, Ma'am?"
"I dunno, we've only got £95 grand left in the 'kitty' for this year, oh go on then! Yuse guys get me every time!"
Why not, the pensioner upstairs, of similar age, on her own, chased off a burglar and grabbed him by the ankles as he leapt through her third storey window.
Was Freud that burglar too?
It would all be rubbish of course
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A "Strawberry Vodka!! Now there's a drink!!! If this wasn't all so serious it'd put me in mind of...plebgate wrote:Oh err don't give the papers idea Sharonl. They may well be able to find a "friend" who could confirm he turned into Super Gramp with enough strawberry vodkas in him.sharonl wrote:Gplebgate wrote:Yeah an 83 year old with his zimmer frame who didn't leave any DNA in the apartment, not even a splash of strawberry vodka was found.jeanmonroe wrote:"Nic....NIC! Iz found the missing piece of the puzzle ain't i! It musta been that Clammy Freud geezer wot 'smashed' the shutter, wot Ka£e told us, and the world, about'
"How so Detective Bright?"
"Wiv hiz zimmer frame, of course, innit! He wuz 83 weren't he?"
"Brilliant, Bright! The 'plebs' will deffo buy that!
'One last booze run to Portugal, Ma'am?"
"I dunno, we've only got £95 grand left in the 'kitty' for this year, oh go on then! Yuse guys get me every time!"
Why not, the pensioner upstairs, of similar age, on her own, chased off a burglar and grabbed him by the ankles as he leapt through her third storey window.
Was Freud that burglar too?
It would all be rubbish of course
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Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
Mark Watts (Exaro) tweets from this morning:
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] . [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] No, Clement Freud was not on my radar. But plenty of others are, still yet to be named...
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] . [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Clement Freud... Britain must brace itself for more shocks.
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Surprising that he (CF) wasn’t, but he is certainly aware of others under investigation that are not yet in the public domain.
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[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] . [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] No, Clement Freud was not on my radar. But plenty of others are, still yet to be named...
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Surprising that he (CF) wasn’t, but he is certainly aware of others under investigation that are not yet in the public domain.
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sallypelt wrote:I don't think for one moment that Clement Freud has anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance. What I am questioning is, all the sleazy fraudsters and criminals that seem to surround the McCanns. I won't mention them as they are well known, but this association with the paedophile, Frued, is just one to coincidences too many.
Why would you not think it for one moment? People with his 'interests' have paid to indulge those interests before, parents with the same interests minimise the harm to the kids for their own gain. I wouldn't just jump at this route for no reason but there is no reason not to believe K. Gaspar's statement. Together with the bathing of other people's kids and the discrepencies in statements about D Payne visiting the apartment at bath time are concerning to say the least....and now this connection to a wealthy establishment figure and abuser.
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Let me clarify. I am reading on social media, today, about the possibility of an 83 year old man, going into the apartment, and other strange claims. I don't believe that Freud was ever in the apartment. As it stands, all we have is Freud contacting the McCanns AFTER the fact. Did they know him BEFORE Madeleine went missing? To date, there has been nothing to suggest that they did know each other.
Having said that, I am having great difficulty believing that the McCanns are that naïve, that they constantly, unknowingly, surround themselves with such shady people.
Having said that, I am having great difficulty believing that the McCanns are that naïve, that they constantly, unknowingly, surround themselves with such shady people.
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sallypelt wrote:Let me clarify. I am reading on social media, today, about the possibility of an 83 year old man, going into the apartment, and other strange claims. I don't believe that Freud was ever in the apartment. As it stands, all we have is Freud contacting the McCanns AFTER the fact. Did they know him BEFORE Madeleine went missing? To date, there have been nothing to suggest that they did know each other.ChippyM wrote:sallypelt wrote:I don't think for one moment that Clement Freud has anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance. What I am questioning is, all the sleazy fraudsters and criminals that seem to surround the McCanns. I won't mention them as they are well known, but this association with the paedophile, Frued, is just one to coincidences too many.
Why would you not think it for one moment? People with his 'interests' have paid to indulge those interests before, parents with the same interests minimise the harm to the kids for their own gain. I wouldn't just jump at this route for no reason but there is no reason not to believe K. Gaspar's statement. Together with the bathing of other people's kids and the discrepencies in statements about D Payne visiting the apartment at bath time are concerning to say the least....and now this connection to a wealthy establishment figure and abuser.
Having said that, I am having great difficulty believing that the McCanns are that naïve, that they constantly, unknowingly, surround themselves with such shady people.
I'm inclined to agree sally. The Mc's saw it as a headline opportunity that would hopefully give them some much needed credibility.
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One of the things I found very odd and which led me to suspect the McCanns when Maddie first went missing was the way numerous celebrities rallied round them and invited them over for drinks or dinner. I find it very unlikely that they didn't know each other before. I've never seen the like in the media, where a child goes missing and all of a sudden he parents are catapulted to celebrity status. Normally when celebrities offer some help it is in the form of funding or a very public appearance or endorsement.
I imagine myself as a celebrity or indeed any person living in that area.. If I heard about Madeleine going missing would I randomly invite the parents, people I didn't know round for drinks? I don't think so.
I believe the McCanns were already connected to this circle and it becomes particularly relevant in light of the Gaspar statements.
I imagine myself as a celebrity or indeed any person living in that area.. If I heard about Madeleine going missing would I randomly invite the parents, people I didn't know round for drinks? I don't think so.
I believe the McCanns were already connected to this circle and it becomes particularly relevant in light of the Gaspar statements.
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News Flash
Not only does the Headlines on Clement Freud takes the heat off them(TM) but puts a new emphasis on "Operation Grange" pursuing a new line of enquiry, for which extra funding will be required, which in effect, brings in the Supreme Court challenge of losing their last appeal to obtain innocence of being guilty of any involvement in the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine?
The Metropolitan Police have previously investigated allegations of a Paedophile ring eight years ago,alongside Leicestershire Police and failed to find any guilty parties, in the missing child Madeleine McCann and no connections to paedophilia, except Three possible Portuguese Bungling burglars with mobile phones?
The Metropolitan Police have previously investigated allegations of a Paedophile ring eight years ago,alongside Leicestershire Police and failed to find any guilty parties, in the missing child Madeleine McCann and no connections to paedophilia, except Three possible Portuguese Bungling burglars with mobile phones?
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QŴTsallypelt wrote:Let me clarify. I am reading on social media, today, about the possibility of an 83 year old man, going into the apartment, and other strange claims. I don't believe that Freud was ever in the apartment. As it stands, all we have is Freud contacting the McCanns AFTER the fact. Did they know him BEFORE Madeleine went missing? To date, there has been nothing to suggest that they did know each other.ChippyM wrote:sallypelt wrote:I don't think for one moment that Clement Freud has anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance. What I am questioning is, all the sleazy fraudsters and criminals that seem to surround the McCanns. I won't mention them as they are well known, but this association with the paedophile, Frued, is just one to coincidences too many.
Why would you not think it for one moment? People with his 'interests' have paid to indulge those interests before, parents with the same interests minimise the harm to the kids for their own gain. I wouldn't just jump at this route for no reason but there is no reason not to believe K. Gaspar's statement. Together with the bathing of other people's kids and the discrepencies in statements about D Payne visiting the apartment at bath time are concerning to say the least....and now this connection to a wealthy establishment figure and abuser.
Having said that, I am having great difficulty believing that the McCanns are that naïve, that they constantly, unknowingly, surround themselves with such shady people.
Right I see, sorry to jump to conclusions. Not in the apartment on that night no of course not, because the 'disappearance' very likely didn't happen that night but I can think of numerous scenarios where a wealthy paedo could be involved in the 'disappearance' of a child. They don't involve him gaining access to a child by sheer chance though.
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nglfi wrote:One of the things I found very odd and which led me to suspect the McCanns when Maddie first went missing was the way numerous celebrities rallied round them and invited them over for drinks or dinner. I find it very unlikely that they didn't know each other before. I've never seen the like in the media, where a child goes missing and all of a sudden he parents are catapulted to celebrity status. Normally when celebrities offer some help it is in the form of funding or a very public appearance or endorsement.
I imagine myself as a celebrity or indeed any person living in that area.. If I heard about Madeleine going missing would I randomly invite the parents, people I didn't know round for drinks? I don't think so.
I believe the McCanns were already connected to this circle and it becomes particularly relevant in light of the Gaspar statements.
Totally agree with this. Kate does protest a little too much about it being their first meeting, in her book, thinking it was a hoax. Lol, when Kate protests too much she's hiding something.
Plus, on only their second ever visit he wears his night clothes, like seriously, and why even tell us that. It's a little vomit in mouth situation..
Who goes to visit a stranger for the second time, to discuss the case/dogs etc.
She may or may not have known him personally, but she certainly knew personal friends of his and maybe Gerry and Payne knew him personally.
Very questionable bunch of rich people I say. I wonder will anything come out about Branson, or is he not close enough to his death bed yet for the so called police to speak out.
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Furthermore, what paedophile would willingly draw the spotlight onto himself in the controversial case of a missing child?
Furthermore, what paedophile would willingly draw the spotlight onto himself in the controversial case of a missing child?
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Someone who believed they were completely untouchable?
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Or someone who knew much more about the case than we do, ie Madeleine would never be found
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I wonder what was in all the emails they exchanged with this stranger they met only twice.
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Yes, untouchable is one consideration. Once under the spotlight these people can certainly behave arrogantly. However, they don't willingly put themselves in that position unless they are psychopathic game-players. Maybe he was for all I know.nglfi wrote:Someone who believed they were completely untouchable?
Kate McCann publicised the association. As far as I'm aware, Freud never mentioned it publicly. This is significant to my mind. She also mentions receiving e-mails from Freud once they were back home. So she is at pains to cement the link to Freud and in the usual detailed way that sounds overworked.
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Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
My thoughts exactly [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]willowthewisp wrote:Not only does the Headlines on Clement Freud takes the heat off them(TM) but puts a new emphasis on "Operation Grange" pursuing a new line of enquiry, for which extra funding will be required, which in effect, brings in the Supreme Court challenge of losing their last appeal to obtain innocence of being guilty of any involvement in the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine?
The Metropolitan Police have previously investigated allegations of a Paedophile ring eight years ago,alongside Leicestershire Police and failed to find any guilty parties, in the missing child Madeleine McCann and no connections to paedophilia, except Three possible Portuguese Bungling burglars with mobile phones?
I also do not believe that CF "antics" were unknown for all these years?
As for the "appalled" & "horrified" McCann's?
They should have been far more "appalled" when they suggested that Madeleine had been "taken" by a paedophile!? Instead of downing strawberry vodka's and brandies served by a pyjama clad
So we have Cliff & Clements in PDL & god knows who/what else, oh my, what a circle of "friends"?
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Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
Well, I don't know what to make of this but I have always suspected that Madeleine died in a paedo-party-gone-wrong type of situation.
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Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
How about another 'celebrity', Ray Wyre, the claimed and trusted expert on sex offending, but, as has now been revealed, a major pervert in his own right? He and his wife had the McCanns over for dinner (see report in The People, below).Maria wrote:Totally agree with this. Kate does protest a little too much about it being their first meeting, in her book, thinking it was a hoax. Lol, when Kate protests too much she's hiding something.nglfi wrote:One of the things I found very odd and which led me to suspect the McCanns when Maddie first went missing was the way numerous celebrities rallied round them and invited them over for drinks or dinner. I find it very unlikely that they didn't know each other before. I've never seen the like in the media, where a child goes missing and all of a sudden he parents are catapulted to celebrity status. Normally when celebrities offer some help it is in the form of funding or a very public appearance or endorsement.
I imagine myself as a celebrity or indeed any person living in that area...If I heard about Madeleine going missing would I randomly invite the parents, people I didn't know round for drinks? I don't think so.
I believe the McCanns were already connected to this circle and it becomes particularly relevant in light of the Gaspar statements.
Plus, on only their second ever visit he wears his night clothes, like seriously, and why even tell us that. It's a little vomit in mouth situation..
Who goes to visit a stranger for the second time, to discuss the case/dogs etc.
She may or may not have known him personally, but she certainly knew personal friends of his and maybe Gerry and Payne knew him personally.
Very questionable bunch of rich people I say. I wonder will anything come out about Branson, or is he not close enough to his death bed yet for the so called police to speak out.
On 10 May 2007, less than one week after the reported disappearance of Madeleine, a major article by Wyre appeared in the Daily Telegraph. This was amazingly quick, and must have been commissioned and written very soon after 3 May.
In it, he asserted, without a shred of evidence, that Madeleine had been abducted by a paedophile.
We now know of course that Ray Wyre's name was on the Elm House Guest List, along with Cliff Richard and an unholy assortment of politicians and celebs.
I wrote a 30-page article on 'Ray Wyre and the McCanns' but I can't reproduce it, as part of it is effectively banned by a court order against me.
Here is a reminder of The People article:
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EXCLUSIVE: MCCANNS ARE 'TOTALLY INNOCENT'
EXCLUSIVE TRUTH ABOUT THE McCANNS: BY TOP UK CRIME CRACKER
The People - By Marcello Mega and Daniel Jones
The People - By Marcello Mega and Daniel Jones
Kate and Gerry played NO part in the disappearance of their daughter Madeleine, one of the world's top crime experts declared last night.
Ray Wyre - who has given Cracker-style testimony to courts since the 1970s - said: “It is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for them to have been involved”. He insisted the grief-stricken parents were incapable of doing anything to harm their children.
He told how the couple feared Maddie was dead in the hours after she vanished - the first time their initial anguish has been revealed. And he heaped scorn on claims the McCanns are being torn apart by the tragedy, adding: “They are a close and loving couple”.
Wyre spoke out as it was revealed Portuguese cops now believe four-year-old Maddie may have been abducted - as Kate and Gerry have always claimed.
The couple met Wyre, 56, to discuss setting up an international taskforce to help cops trace missing children.
They poured out their hearts to him and his wife Charmaine over dinner at the ace criminologists's home in Milton Keynes, Bucks.
Wyre - who's helped nail a string of monsters including child-killer Robert Black - said: "I was with them for several hours and I could not help but apply some of the practices I use when I'm carrying out assessments of suspects for police and the courts.
“I can state categorically there is no way they were involved in their daughter's murder or disappearance. They would be incapable of such an act. I have more than 30 years' experience in this field and am used to people trying to hide dark secrets.
“There was NO sign of any such deceit. It is absolutely impossible for them to have been involved”.
And Wyre paid a moving tribute to the way the 39-year-old couple manage to think of other people even though their hearts are broken.
He said: “It was humbling and moving to meet the McCanns. They brought flowers for my wife, which brought tears to our eyes. You consider what they've been through and they still bring flowers when they come to your home”.
Wyre hit out at shocking claims of eating disorders and marriage rifts made about Kate and heart specialist Gerry, whose twins Sean and Amelie have just turned three.
He said: “It can't have helped while they've had this massive tragedy on their hands. Days before we met I was reading an ill-informed article saying they were growing apart. But they are a close and loving couple who are certainly united in their roles of being good parents to the twins and maintaining momentum in their quest to find Madeleine.
“There is no doubt they are a couple - they are together and they support and comfort one another. They were very warm and friendly to each other and there was no sign of dispute between them. During the meal, Gerry often put his arm round the back of Kate's chair. They were affectionate to one another all the time. They looked very much together. As for any suggestion Kate might have an eating disorder, it's nonsense. She sat down to my wife's home-made lasagne and garlic bread with a smile and really enjoyed it. And she tucked into the banoffee pie for pudding like the rest of us”.
Wyre told how for 72 hours after Maddie vanished in Praia da Luz on May 3 last year the McCanns were certain their daughter was dead.
Their despair has never been made public before - and Wyre blasted critics who insist they have not expressed enough grief.
He said: “For three days, all they could see in their minds was Madeleine lying dead. They were in complete agreement she'd been taken by a predator, abused and killed.
“They were certain they would never see her alive again. The image of her lying murdered hardly left them and they expected at any time to receive the news that her body had been found. When three days passed and that had not happened, they began to feel the stirring of hope.
“They reasoned it was most likely that if someone had seized her to abuse and kill her, her body would probably have been nearby and would have been found. They continue to cling to that hope - but they are also prepared for the worst. However, as long as she remains missing I know they will not rest in their efforts to find her”.
Wyre also told The People how GP Kate is so dedicated to answering the flood of emails she gets every day about Maddie she sometimes gets up at 4am to deal with them all.
His tribute came as detectives in Portugal finally admitted they could be WRONG in their belief that the McCanns - from Rothley, Leics - were involved in Maddie's disappearance. Prosecutors had named the couple as official suspects in September.
And since then police have been hellbent on trying to prove Kate and Gerry had hidden their daughter's body after the youngster died in their Algarve holiday apartment.
Investigators even claimed they had enough evidence to charge the couple just three weeks ago. But yesterday police sources admitted the McCanns may have been telling the truth all along. And detectives are now set to review the case and quiz all the witnesses again.
The amazing about-turn comes after a British laboratory said DNA tests carried out on blood samples found in the Praia da Luz flat and the couple's hire-car had been inconclusive.
The theory Maddie had been kidnapped was also given another boost last week with the release of a sketch of a possible suspect. A source told Portuguese newspaper 24 Horas: “There are now two hypotheses on the table - abduction or accidental death. There are no concrete proofs to charge the current suspects. No line of inquiry can be discounted - but the first hypothesis is the most credible”.
The McCanns' family spokesman Clarence Mitchell told The People last night: “We welcome any movement on the part of the police that accepts Madeleine was abducted - because that's what happened.
“It’s ridiculous we've had to wait this long for any indication they believe Kate and Gerry are telling the truth.
“The sooner the police realise they don't have a case against them, the sooner they focus on finding Madeleine - which is what this investigation should be about”.
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Dr Martin Roberts: "The evidence is that these are the pjyamas Madeleine wore on holiday in Praia da Luz. They were photographed and the photo handed to a press agency, who released it on 8 May, as the search for Madeleine continued. The McCanns held up these same pyjamas at two press conferences on 5 & 7June 2007. How could Madeleine have been abducted?"
Amelie McCann (aged 2): "Maddie's jammies!".
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Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
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Yes it's interesting that Kate was the one to name drop and cement the association. Perhaps Freud wasn't expecting her to do that. I imagine once he got to such an advanced age, even if he would be prosecuted he probably knew he wouldn't serve much if any jail time. Hence the complacency about being in their company in the first place. But he probably didn't want their meetings to be all over the media!
Yes it's interesting that Kate was the one to name drop and cement the association. Perhaps Freud wasn't expecting her to do that. I imagine once he got to such an advanced age, even if he would be prosecuted he probably knew he wouldn't serve much if any jail time. Hence the complacency about being in their company in the first place. But he probably didn't want their meetings to be all over the media!
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Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
It all goes to support the suggestion that PdL was a 'swinging' sort of a place. The wider this peado ring gets the more I wonder if Gerry got establishment help in covering up what happened to MM in PdL not on account of who was in PdL and what happened that week but on account of what he knew of high ranking peado goings on in the UK.
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Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
@Tony Bennett:
Nor does the Queen and those who advise her over who to make a 'Knight of the Realm':
Sir Cyril Smith...
Sir Jimmy Savile...
Sir Clement Freud...
Sir Philip Green...
...it doesn't look good
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Lord Greville Janner
Sir Edward Heath
Sir Cliff Richard
Sir Elton John - pending
The more you look the worse it gets.
Nor does the Queen and those who advise her over who to make a 'Knight of the Realm':
Sir Cyril Smith...
Sir Jimmy Savile...
Sir Clement Freud...
Sir Philip Green...
...it doesn't look good
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Lord Greville Janner
Sir Edward Heath
Sir Cliff Richard
Sir Elton John - pending
The more you look the worse it gets.
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Re: NEWSFLASH - The late Sir Clement Freud, resident of Praia da Luz and friend of the McCanns, exposed as a serial paedophile, Lady Freud apologises, Operation Grange to investigate McCann-Freud links (Daily Telegraph 14 Jun 2016)
The McCanns are said to be “horrified” by the discovery that Freud was a paedophile.
Pretty naive on the whole the Doctors McCann aren't they?
Pretty naive on the whole the Doctors McCann aren't they?
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