Missing People - spot the missing person!

aquila wrote:

BarryTheHatchet wrote:BHS is in administration and the liquidators would have removed all sponsorship etc. from sites.  They have to give priority to secured creditors if the business is wound up.

Are you sure? Remember, this is Sir Phillip Green's (my wife owns most things and lives in Monaco) ex company, sold for a quid to a dodgy person.

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Yes, there are signs up in the windows of my local BHS saying it is in administration, although it is still trading for the moment.

sharonl wrote:   Just realised that the so called charity has blocked me on Twitter too.

  What on earth did I do? 

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I got blocked by Missing People, the Madeleine accounts and Gamble, all at the same time.  Which would lead me to suspect that there is some sort of "list" that is shared between the lot of them.  I have had a few spats with Gamble, but never even tweeted Missing People, not even once!

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aquila wrote:

BarryTheHatchet wrote:BHS is in administration and the liquidators would have removed all sponsorship etc. from sites.  They have to give priority to secured creditors if the business is wound up.

Are you sure? Remember, this is Sir Phillip Green's (my wife owns most things and lives in Monaco) ex company, sold for a quid to a dodgy person.

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Yes, there are signs up in the windows of my local BHS saying it is in administration, although it is still trading for the moment.

Thank you for that.

Now why do you suppose BHS is still showing on the under carriage of Missing People's website today as a funder. If I could figure out how to post a screenshot it would help.

Oh yes, BHS is there as a funder.

aquila wrote:

BarryTheHatchet wrote:

aquila wrote:

BarryTheHatchet wrote:BHS is in administration and the liquidators would have removed all sponsorship etc. from sites.  They have to give priority to secured creditors if the business is wound up.

Are you sure? Remember, this is Sir Phillip Green's (my wife owns most things and lives in Monaco) ex company, sold for a quid to a dodgy person.

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Yes, there are signs up in the windows of my local BHS saying it is in administration, although it is still trading for the moment.

Thank you for that.

Now why do you suppose BHS is still showing on the under carriage of Missing People's website today as a funder. If I could figure out how to post a screenshot it would help.

Oh yes, BHS is there as a funder.

To post a screen shot - in the reply screen select the icon for hosting an image (3 before the you-tube icon),
select your image and when done, copy the URL.  The select the "insert image" icon next to it and paste the URL in there.

BarryTheHatchet wrote:

sharonl wrote:   Just realised that the so called charity has blocked me on Twitter too.

  What on earth did I do? 

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I got blocked by Missing People, the Madeleine accounts and Gamble, all at the same time.  Which would lead me to suspect that there is some sort of "list" that is shared between the lot of them.  I have had a few spats with Gamble, but never even tweeted Missing People, not even once!

Excellent point about the list, you are probably spot on just like Brooks was when she said "we are all in this together"

Clarence Mitchell, Jim Gamble, Kate McCann, John McCann, Lorraine Kelly, Tony & Cherie Blair, Richard Branson, Phillip Green, they all hang around this Missing People\PACT thing.

sharonl wrote:

aquila wrote:

BarryTheHatchet wrote:

aquila wrote:

BarryTheHatchet wrote:BHS is in administration and the liquidators would have removed all sponsorship etc. from sites.  They have to give priority to secured creditors if the business is wound up.

Are you sure? Remember, this is Sir Phillip Green's (my wife owns most things and lives in Monaco) ex company, sold for a quid to a dodgy person.

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Yes, there are signs up in the windows of my local BHS saying it is in administration, although it is still trading for the moment.

Thank you for that.

Now why do you suppose BHS is still showing on the under carriage of Missing People's website today as a funder. If I could figure out how to post a screenshot it would help.

Oh yes, BHS is there as a funder.

To post a screen shot - in the reply screen select the icon for hosting an image (3 before the you-tube icon),
select your image and when done, copy the URL.  The select the "insert image" icon next to it and paste the URL in there.

Thank you Sharonl,

I've just tried to grab a screenshot but this is a flashing scrolling banner.

I can only say go the MP website and look at the bottom of the home page.

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I see the Post Office is not only a partner but a funder.

I hope those on Twitter ask their postmen if they know anything about Child Rescue Alert. I asked mine who has been a postman here for 13 years and he's never heard of it.

The Masonic foundation and the Home Office I've just noticed support them. 
The banner scrolls fast. But I did see BHS on there too.

There is a link you can click to see all the funders on a static page. 
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BarryTheHatchet wrote:There is a link you can click to see all the funders on a static page. 
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So, BHS, the company in liquidation is still showing as a funder on Missing People's website.

Perhaps they'll update it soon.

I passed it today and it has been in administration under Phelps and Duff since 26 April.  And you can only redeem gift cards and vouchers up to 50% of cost, i.e. if you have a £10 gift card you have to buy £20 of stuff and pay the extra £10 yourself.  That would suggest that their secured creditors are not going to get anything like 100p in the £, so they are in no position to be sponsoring or funding anybody.

BarryTheHatchet wrote:I passed it today and it has been in administration under Phelps and Duff since 26 April.  And you can only redeem gift cards and vouchers up to 50% of cost, i.e. if you have a £10 gift card you have to buy £20 of stuff and pay the extra £10 yourself.  That would suggest that their secured creditors are not going to get anything like 100p in the £, so they are in no position to be sponsoring or funding anybody.

Here's another addition.

When a company is in liquidation, all stock belongs to the liquidator. As far as I'm aware stock that's out of season can't be simply given to charity.

That's an interesting point aquila.

When NOTW was shut down it was reported that the thousands of pounds reward money was given to TM but I am not sure whether anyone ever found out if that was ok to do.

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Morally, even if not legally wrong, although it could well be.
 
It was set up as a reward fund for that crucial bit of evidence that leads the police to MM, together with the proviso that in the event that the reward cannot be paid for any reason, ‘the portion made up of readers donations will be shared equally by children’s charities Barnardos, Childline and NSPCC’.
 
Fair enough the NotW had to do something with the money and it could probably, legitimately have been paid to the Fund in trust, until such time as it could be paid out either as a reward for this ‘crucial bit of evidence’ or divided between the three stated charities.
 
However, as one or other of these options has to occur at some time in the future it should be showing as a ‘contingent liability’ in the fund accounts.
   
This has never been evident in the accounts and the money seems to have just been swallowed up into the general fund which is not right.

Thanks Doug that's a very interesting point:

"However, as one or other of these options has to occur at some time in the future it should be showing as a ‘contingent liability’ in the fund accounts.
   
This has never been evident in the accounts and the money seems to have just been swallowed up into the general fund which is not right. "

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MAY DAY MAY DAY.

Just to raise aquila’s blood pressure:
 
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on Thursday, 01 September 2016.
 
Today Royal Mail has issued its 100th high risk missing person alert to its staff, helping in the search for the UK’s high risk missing adults and children.
Royal Mail joined forces with Missing People in 2014, after a child was reported missing on postman Vincent Micallef’s round in London. Vincent immediately saw how postmen and women could help with the search by keeping a look out while they were out and about.
In addition to being sent to the handheld devices of 120,000 postal workers, the alerts also appear across the company’s network of 1,800 TV screens and its internal website. The award-winning partnership has seen Royal Mail open up its business-wide communication channels for the first time.
Since launching the service, Missing People and Royal Mail have worked together to issue high risk alerts as and when they are needed. Of the 100 missing people alerts issued to date, 70 people have been found safe and well.
 
Jeffrey Oatham, Head of Corporate Responsibility and Community Investment, Royal Mail said: “We are really proud that our partnership with Missing People has assisted in bringing home 65 people. Royal Mail’s postmen and women are out in the community six days a week, across the country. We look forward to continuing to use this unique position to support this important service and reunite families with their missing loved ones.” 
Jo Youle, Chief Executive of Missing People said: “this milestone is a significant achievement and we would like to thank Royal Mail for their energy and commitment to making this important partnership happen.
Police searching for missing people are increasingly requesting Royal Mail alerts in high risk situations. Families waiting for news have told us how much of a comfort and encouragement it is to know that postal workers are looking out in their local communities to help bring their missing loved ones home.”
As well as searching for high risk missing people, Royal Mail has also worked with Missing People to offer alternative ways in which people can make contact with their loved ones. The “Freepost Missing People” address was launched in November 2015 and gives missing people the chance to send a message through the charity, with the option of not being traced. 
 
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Has anybody ever come across a postman who knows anything about this?

Doug D wrote:Just to raise aquila’s blood pressure:
 
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on Thursday, 01 September 2016.
 
Today Royal Mail has issued its 100th high risk missing person alert to its staff, helping in the search for the UK’s high risk missing adults and children.
Royal Mail joined forces with Missing People in 2014, after a child was reported missing on postman Vincent Micallef’s round in London. Vincent immediately saw how postmen and women could help with the search by keeping a look out while they were out and about.
In addition to being sent to the handheld devices of 120,000 postal workers, the alerts also appear across the company’s network of 1,800 TV screens and its internal website. The award-winning partnership has seen Royal Mail open up its business-wide communication channels for the first time.
Since launching the service, Missing People and Royal Mail have worked together to issue high risk alerts as and when they are needed. Of the 100 missing people alerts issued to date, 70 people have been found safe and well.
 
Jeffrey Oatham, Head of Corporate Responsibility and Community Investment, Royal Mail said: “We are really proud that our partnership with Missing People has assisted in bringing home 65 people. Royal Mail’s postmen and women are out in the community six days a week, across the country. We look forward to continuing to use this unique position to support this important service and reunite families with their missing loved ones.” 
Jo Youle, Chief Executive of Missing People said: “this milestone is a significant achievement and we would like to thank Royal Mail for their energy and commitment to making this important partnership happen.
Police searching for missing people are increasingly requesting Royal Mail alerts in high risk situations. Families waiting for news have told us how much of a comfort and encouragement it is to know that postal workers are looking out in their local communities to help bring their missing loved ones home.”
As well as searching for high risk missing people, Royal Mail has also worked with Missing People to offer alternative ways in which people can make contact with their loved ones. The “Freepost Missing People” address was launched in November 2015 and gives missing people the chance to send a message through the charity, with the option of not being traced. 
 
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Has anybody ever come across a postman who knows anything about this?

I'm thinking of demanding beta blockers Doug D

I haven't seen my postman in the last couple of days as I've not been around when he delivers the mail. I will be sure to ask him again if he's ever heard of this rescue alert system - last time I asked he hadn't a clue and he's been the local postie for coming up to 14 years.

Where do all these facts and figures emanate from or are they just in the world of PR speke? Who can prove anything? Anyone? Anyone?

Surely it's worth a bit of a tweet to ask people if their posties know anything about the system/have had any detailed communication from their bosses with regards to the success of this enterprise. How many of the 65 people did a postie rescue?

So, there's Sir Phillip Green who pooped on his staff when he sold a beloved British company that was something of a national treasure, for £1 to a complete fraud after almost raping the assets of the company. Sir Phillip, as you will recall loaned his private jet to the McCanns (isn't he a darling) and on the Missing People website BHS staff were shown in all their glory supporting one of the company's charities of choice. It's the corporate thing.

Then there is Sir Cliff Richard who was a patron, then he went missing off the pages of their website, then he was reinstated, then he went missing again (perhaps they should've asked a postman to find him), now he's threatening to sue the BBC and the Police but he's still not reinstated on the Missing People website.

And there is Sir Robert of Gobfordshire (Bob Geldof) who's never too far from a charity - who made his millions as a pop singer on the back of very little material - who runs the bleeding company that - wait for it - supplies Missing People with the digital structure for all this stuff.

Well, there you go, I've only touched on three elements of this charity and remarkably they are all called 'Sir'.

Pass me the pills.

....and then, and then, and then some more is Stephen Winyard of Stobo Castle which was opened by none other than David Steel (Baron Steel of Aikwood) the man who lauded Cyril Smith for God's sake and Winyard dedicating himself to the McCanns to personally finance DNA tests on their behalf. Stobo Castle and its charity bashes and Musselborough races where Kate and Gerry not only attend but are photographed with David Steel of all people.

Is Madeleine's life so cheap I ask myself - it must be.

Editing to add that just like Sir Phillip Green, Stephen Winyard's home is in Monaco.

Good post Aquila,  and ''then he went missing again (perhaps they should've asked a postman to find him) ''

Missing People are having something of a recruitment drive

Director of People - salary £50k

After Care Officer - salary £24 - £26k

Fundraising Officer - salary £20k

Policy and Campaigns Manager £32 - £36k

All of these positions are based in South West London and some of the salaries shown are pro rata to hours worked (why the salary isn't shown as hours worked is beyond my comprehension).

The After Care Officer position is particularly interesting as it is funded by Big Lottery Wales and yet is based in London. Why a job share would be considered for a position requiring only three days per week also baffles me.


"This post is an exciting opportunity to assist in implementing the last year of our 3 year Aftercare pilot project across Wales, funded by Big Lottery Wales. People can go missing for a range of reasons and research has shown that reconnection should be handled holistically and tailored to individual needs. Someone’s return after missing can be the start of a very challenging period of recovery.

The Aftercare service provides a comprehensive range of tailored support services to recently missing children/young people and adults along with their families. This support will help address the issues that led to the person going missing and to prevent further episodes of missing in the future.

Location
South West London (Mortlake – only 13 mins from Clapham Junction and 23 mins from Waterloo)

Contract
Fixed term contract until September 2017

Hours
21 hours per week, some out of office hour’s work may be required. Working pattern:  3 days a week Monday-Friday hours either 9am-5pm or 10am-6pm. (Job share will also be considered.)

Salary
£24,000 – £26,000 pro rata (depending on experience)"

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Update on asking my postman: I've just spoken to my postman.

The postman knows nothing about Missing People. He has told me he has a hand-held device (PDA) on which he presses two buttons (delivered/not delivered) and tells me in no uncertain terms he doesn't have time to do anything other than deliver the post.

This postman is coming up to 14 years service.

He tells me he knows nothing about the Missing People charity. He tells me it's bullshit that anyone has been asked to keep an eye out on their hand-held devices.

Ask your postman is all I can say.

aquila wrote:Update on asking my postman: I've just spoken to my postman.

The postman knows nothing about Missing People. He has told me he has a hand-held device (PDA) on which he presses two buttons (delivered/not delivered) and tells me in no uncertain terms he doesn't have time to do anything other than deliver the post.

This postman is coming up to 14 years service.

He tells me he knows nothing about the Missing People charity. He tells me it's bullshit that anyone has been asked to keep an eye out on their hand-held devices.

Ask your postman is all I can say.

Have just returned from my travels abroad, hopefully for good this time. 
Anyway, I too had the chance to ask my post woman as I had to sign in a small box of the PDA when having a parcel delivered. She knew absolutely nothing of the missing people charity, in fact her words were " who, missing people, never heard of them". She has been in the job 12 years.

aquila wrote:Missing People are having something of a recruitment drive

Director of People - salary £50k

After Care Officer - salary £24 - £26k

Fundraising Officer - salary £20k

Policy and Campaigns Manager £32 - £36k

All of these positions are based in South West London and some of the salaries shown are pro rata to hours worked (why the salary isn't shown as hours worked is beyond my comprehension).

The After Care Officer position is particularly interesting as it is funded by Big Lottery Wales and yet is based in London. Why a job share would be considered for a position requiring only three days per week also baffles me.


"This post is an exciting opportunity to assist in implementing the last year of our 3 year Aftercare pilot project across Wales, funded by Big Lottery Wales. People can go missing for a range of reasons and research has shown that reconnection should be handled holistically and tailored to individual needs. Someone’s return after missing can be the start of a very challenging period of recovery.

The Aftercare service provides a comprehensive range of tailored support services to recently missing children/young people and adults along with their families. This support will help address the issues that led to the person going missing and to prevent further episodes of missing in the future.

Location
South West London (Mortlake – only 13 mins from Clapham Junction and 23 mins from Waterloo)

Contract
Fixed term contract until September 2017

Hours
21 hours per week, some out of office hour’s work may be required. Working pattern:  3 days a week Monday-Friday hours either 9am-5pm or 10am-6pm. (Job share will also be considered.)

Salary
£24,000 – £26,000 pro rata (depending on experience)"

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So what's the salary for an Ambassador, or is that just in name only? 

By the way, my postie of 10 years knows nothing of "missing people" only "missing parcels"... Makes you wonder what on earth is going on?

A few interesting stat’s from a Met Police FOI response disclosed today:


Freedom of Information Request Reference No:


I note you seek access to the following information:


1) The number of children who were recorded as missing five times or more in 2014/2015
2) The number of children who were recorded as absent five times or more in 2014/2015
3) For the ten children who were missing the most number of times in 2014/2015:
·       -  How many times were they recorded as missing?
·       -  Please provide the age and gender of each of these ten children
4) For the ten children who were absent the most number of times in 2014/2015: - How many times were they recorded as absent?
- Please provide the age and gender of each of these ten children
If any of this information is already in the public domain, please can you direct me to it, with page references and URLs if necessary?


DECISION
I have today decided to disclose the located information to you in full. I shall address each question in turn.


1) The number of children who were recorded as missing five times or more in 2014/2015
1,645


2) The number of children who were recorded as absent five times or more in 2014/2015
314


3) For the ten children who were missing the most number of times in 2014/2015:
·       -  How many times were they recorded as missing?
·       -  Please provide the age and gender of each of these ten children


Pseudonym Gender Age Count of Missing
A F 16 88
B F 17 68
C F 17 67
D F 17 67
E M 15 67
F F 16 65
G F 14 64
H F 16 64
I M 16 64
J F 17 63


4) For the ten children who were absent the most number of times in 2014/2015:
How many times were they recorded as absent?
Please provide the age and gender of each of these ten children


Pseudonym Gender Age Count of Absent
K M 17 75
L M 15 65
M M 17 53
N M 17 52
O M 17 50
P M 15 47
Q F 17 44
R M 17 42
S M 17 36
T M 17 35


The Metropolitan Police Service treats all cases of missing people seriously. We have well established processes and policies and will do everything within our control to work towards their safe return. In addition, the MPS works closely with our partners and charities to continually review and improve procedures and investigative methods.


It is important to note that this data includes both missing and absent incidents. The introduction of "absent" in 2014 has seen an increase in people who are reported who in the past may not have been recorded as they didn't fit the definition of a missing person.


We currently investigate up to 43,000 missing person cases each year. Each report of a missing person is recorded, risk assessed and investigated. They are graded as high, medium or low risk, which determines the level of response and resources allocated to locate the individual. Investigations start as soon as a report is made to police and the majority of missing people are located within one-day, safe and well.


Those that are not located remain as open cases and are subject to regular review and action. Every MPS borough has a dedicated Missing Persons Unit which is staffed with experienced and skilled officers. They are generally responsible for ongoing investigations; however those cases deemed high risk are led by detectives from the CID and are overseen by members of the borough's Senior Leadership Team. On being located, all missing adults and children are de-briefed to establish the reasons for, and details of, their absence.


The Missing Persons Co-ordinators Unit (set up in 2014) is currently actively working with care homes, local authorities, NHS trusts etc across the MPS to work together in partnership to reduce the number of missing episodes. By ensuring appropriate safeguarding is in place for those persons reported missing our aim is to prevent them going missing again in the future and therefore reduce the risk of harm coming to them.


The welfare of missing people is of paramount importance to the MPS and we do everything within our control to work towards their safe return.


Information Rights Unit


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