Missing People - and Missingkids, a CEOPS site, posting details of non existent person

by **PeterMac** 22.06.15 15:01

This is going round Twitter at the moment.

Isabelle Maria McF ‏@QUEENdePORTUGAL 15h15 hours ago
I've spoken to APCD and PJ there isnt a child missing from PT named Ricardo Firmino. #mccann [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] pic.twitter.com/ghABYQLmuB

might be a stalker ‏@__StuartB__ 6h6 hours ago
@QUEENdePORTUGAL what the.... So an invented @missingpeople missing child, who was "found" when people queried the report? #McCann

Canine Truth ‏@K9Truth 6h6 hours ago
@__StuartB__ @QUEENdePORTUGAL @missingpeople The alleged missing child was also flagged on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] , a CEOP site ...
#McCann

amsterdamkush ‏@amsterdamkush 4h4 hours ago
@K9Truth @__StuartB__ @QUEENdePORTUGAL @missingpeople This is demonstrably fake. No trace of him on web apart from CEOP/MissingKids #mccann

So I contacted someone in Portugal who reported - redacted,

Date: Fri, 22 May 2015 18:15:30 +0100
Subject: Re: Ricardo Firmino - Your reference number 15-000727

Well I have just checked out a few of the kids, and some are clearly 'missing' and you can find references to them online

Now, in the case of this little boy, I went here:
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and then put "overseas" in the box
and came up with only five children
Madeleine McC being one,
Ben Needham being another
then a little girl called
Maria-Brigitte Henselmann
masses of references to her online... then
Katrice Lee
again, zillions of mentions (heartbreaking)
so Ricardo is the ONLY one that has not got a whiff of publicity.
It's weird and i wonder, from the timeline, whether it is a 'red herring' to kind of show children are still going missing in Portugal...

And later

I checked with the Association of missing children here, and the president told me they have no record of him at all

It is a hoax, with no details, no press reports, nothing

Maria also tweeted as much some weeks ago

Can we really believe that people would stoop so low . . . to pretend that children are being abducted or going missing in Portugal ?
And that CEOPS would be involved, either deliberately or putting this on line, with a photo of a child, without checking facts . . .
In the case of some we have unfortunately come across over the past 8 years - clearly yes. And we can name them.

by **Jill Havern** 22.06.15 15:26

Have posted this on CMOMM facebook and there's a couple of comments there so far:

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by **tigger** 22.06.15 15:28

Isabel McFadden apparently speaks Portuguese and when she first came across the missing child, she simply phoned the PJ. She did post a tweet longer with the part of the conversation about this child.
Name of officer she spoke with.

I'd also be interested to find out where those ten children found thanks to Kate's supertweet were mislaid in the first place.

Such a shame, these missing children charities ready to save anyone under 88 it seems (some children listed disappeared in the distant past) and simply not enough of them.

by Joss 22.06.15 15:34

CEOP 's page of missing children do not include Maddie [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

by **PeterMac** 22.06.15 16:18

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then sort by age and you get
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Seems they are having problems !

by Joss 22.06.15 16:21

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then sort by age and you get
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Seems they are having problems !

Hmmm...

by **Jill Havern** 22.06.15 16:28

More comments on HiDeHo's facebook page

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by Doug D 22.06.15 17:40

PeterMac:

‘Seems they are having problems !’

What about today’s 140, and the day befores and the day before thats and, and, and, ad infinitum……………..???????????????

What do you mean 'they're not actually missing'?

I thought she who should be listened to said they 'lost' that many every day. That's why we need to raise more money for the 'Amber Alert' type system which was used ONCE in the last 12 months, erroneously, for a girl who wandered home on her own when she felt like it.

by Liz Eagles 22.06.15 18:56

I just googled Ricardo Firmino and it brought up a link to the following:

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According to a poster on the above forum Ricardo has been found.

Sorry, I'm hopeless at inserting screenshots so if someone could do the honours...

by **PeterMac** 22.06.15 20:13

aquila wrote:I just googled Ricardo Firmino and it brought up a link to the following:
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According to a poster on the above forum Ricardo has been found.
Sorry, I'm hopeless at inserting screenshots so if someone could do the honours...

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It was CEOP in a private Email to an enquiry, saying he had been found.

No details, no trumpeting the wonders of £ 2m per annum Charities - FOUND ANOTHER ONE< PLEASE GIVE GENEROUSLY. . .

No. Just the very strange CEOPS saying on a private individual email to ONE person that he had been found.
No one in Portugal seems to know anything about him, not the PJ not the Portuguese missing children network, not the local press , Nobody.
No one else anywhere knows anything about him.

And of course, as I posted a few hours ago, on the missingkids site he is still there, just above Madeleine,
They haven't a CLUE !
I think we can would be well advised to ignore everything Missing People, Missingkids (who have people in their 70s on the site !) PACT, CEOPS and all the rest of the vampires who suck money out of the gullible have to say about anything at all. Which by extension means we should ignore their Ambassadors and everything they do or say.

by Liz Eagles 22.06.15 20:49

PeterMac wrote:
aquila wrote:I just googled Ricardo Firmino and it brought up a link to the following:
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According to a poster on the above forum Ricardo has been found.
Sorry, I'm hopeless at inserting screenshots so if someone could do the honours...

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It was CEOP in a private Email to an enquiry, saying he had been found.

No details, no trumpeting the wonders of £ 2m per annum Charities - FOUND ANOTHER ONE< PLEASE GIVE GENEROUSLY. . .

No. Just the very strange CEOPS saying on a private individual email to ONE person that he had been found.
No one in Portugal seems to know anything about him, not the PJ not the Portuguese missing children network, not the local press , Nobody.
No one else anywhere knows anything about him.

And of course, as I posted a few hours ago, on the missingkids site he is still there, just above Madeleine,
They haven't a CLUE !
I think we can would be well advised to ignore everything Missing People, Missingkids (who have people in their 70s on the site !) PACT, CEOPS and all the rest of the vampires who suck money out of the gullible have to say about anything at all. Which by extension means we should ignore their Ambassadors and everything they do or say.

Thanks for posting the screenshot PeterMac.

Your opinion echoes mine.

by sallypelt 22.06.15 20:54

When did they say he went missing? I read he went missing around 24 December, but I have also found this:

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« on: February 10, 2015, 05:38:01 PM »

Ricardo Firmino aged 11 years missing abroad. Ref:15-000727

If you think you can help the search please call Missing People. Ricardo Firmino, we would love to hear from you.

Call. Text. Anytime. Free. Confidential. 116000

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Download poster below.

And on the missing children website he's missing from "overseas".

by sallypelt 22.06.15 20:56

So, a twelve year old child goes missing. No one knows where he's from, who his parents are. Where he went missing from, other than "overseas". And now he's been found, still NOTHING

by notlongnow 22.06.15 22:05

Indeed,surely it should have at least said,what location,last seen in his local food store,wearing red jumper and blue jeans etc etc..

by lj 23.06.15 1:05

sallypelt wrote:So, a twelve year old child goes missing. No one knows where he's from, who his parents are. Where he went missing from, other than "overseas". And now he's been found, still NOTHING

You wonder is this one of the 10 kids Kate "saved"?

It's all a big scam.

by Guest 23.06.15 7:48

MP seems to be about appearance more than content.

Accuracy?

Pah.

That's so yesterday.

by **PeterMac** 23.06.15 7:51

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two screen shots, some time apart . . . !

Same name, and crucially same reference number.

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A Charity in whom we can really have confidence !
Please give generously. We need to put the CEO's salary up next year, by another £10,000

by **tigger** 23.06.15 8:06

The great majority of the children reported 'missing' are known to be with one of their parents.

Maddie McCann was listed on MP as missing from 'unknown' iirc . Perhaps they've worked it out by now.

Nan Chen's changed appearance is amazing, but clearly MP saw through his disguise. big grin

But errm 'if you see this child?'

by Liz Eagles 23.06.15 8:16

PeterMac wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

two screen shots, some time apart . . . !

Same name, and crucially same reference number.

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A Charity in whom we can really have confidence !
Please give generously. We need to put the CEO's salary up next year, by another £10,000

missbeetle will have a field day looking at the images in the spectacles of both photographs.

The first insertion on Missing Kids was the middle aged man.

The second insertion was a teenager wearing over-sized sunglasses.

You really couldn't make this stuff up....oh, but they did.

by Rogue-a-Tory 23.06.15 9:02

tigger wrote:The great majority of the children reported 'missing' are known to be with one of their parents.

Maddie McCann was listed on MP as missing from 'unknown' iirc . Perhaps they've worked it out by now.

I've worked out the possible link between those two sentences thumbsup

by HelenMeg 23.06.15 9:05

Since 2007 it has been lie after lie after lie

by **PeterMac** 23.06.15 9:09

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:
tigger wrote:The great majority of the children reported 'missing' are known to be with one of their parents.

Maddie McCann was listed on MP as missing from 'unknown' iirc . Perhaps they've worked it out by now.
I've worked out the possible link between those two sentences

On one of the sites they have the decency to say so. Thee children are not MISSING in any conventional sense.
Just as the children sought by PACT are not "abducted" in the normal meaning of the word.
Lady Whatshername lost custody, and wants her children back. (We may or may not agree with her point of view, since the children are being brought up as Muslims)
That is all. So she claims a salary of £ 83,000 a year
It is a branch of Public International law (aka Conflict of Laws). Not of Child abduction.

by Rogue-a-Tory 23.06.15 9:21

PeterMac wrote:
Rogue-a-Tory wrote:
tigger wrote:The great majority of the children reported 'missing' are known to be with one of their parents.

Maddie McCann was listed on MP as missing from 'unknown' iirc . Perhaps they've worked it out by now.
I've worked out the possible link between those two sentences

On one of the sites they have the decency to say so. Thee children are not MISSING in any conventional sense.
Just as the children sought by PACT are not "abducted" in the normal meaning of the word.
Lady Whatshername lost custody, and wants her children back. (We may or may not agree with her point of view, since the children are being brought up as Muslims)
That is all. So she claims a salary of £ 83,000 a year
It is a branch of Public International law (aka Conflict of Laws). Not of Child abduction.

And the Charity is run under the pretence of looking for the runaways or abducted, supported by the B listers. The world just became that little bit weirder.

by **tigger** 23.06.15 11:39

Just found this website - http://www.wearenotmissing.com/missingchildfraud.htm

by **PeterMac** 23.06.15 13:03

All these Charities and sites seem to be in total disarray
If we look at Missing kids we find this
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and if we look further we find on the last page sorted by age
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Does anyone else spot the irony here . . .?

If we search the Missing Children site and enter Portugal
thus
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we get TWO results
BOTH of them Madeleine
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Ricardo has been "whooshed" apparently, though he still appears on other sites
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Can we believe ANYTHING these people tell us ?
Or do we just keep donating money and pedalling round the world to pay for their salaries.

by **tigger** 23.06.15 13:13

That was it! missing from overseas! Few locations from which a child disappeared are better known than 5a OC, PdL. It is overseas, but only if you establish first what your point of reference is...

by Liz Eagles 23.06.15 14:13

To add further to the confusion.....

Missing People website lists a teenager as follows

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Jarell Mcgowan-Murray

Jarell we are here for you whenever you are ready; we can listen, talk you through what help you need, pass a message for you and help you to be safe. Call. Text. Anytime. Free. Confidential. 116000

Age at disappearance: 16
Missing Since: 11-Jun-2015
Missing from: Croydon, London
Reference No: 15-00400

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Missing Kids list the same teenager as follows

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Current age:14
Missing for:0 Years 0 Months 26 Days
Missing from:London
Reported missing:28 May 2015
Reference No:15-004004
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So, was this teenager who might be 14 and might be 16 reported missing on 28th May or 11th June?

Why are the reference numbers only almost identical?

by **PeterMac** 23.06.15 15:00

the international database I referred to above
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give the following results if you enter Spain, and 10 years in the search engine.

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A total of 13 children in 10 years.
Of those 9 = NINE are properly and honestly listed as Family Abduction, two in Morocco with father, 4 in Mexico with mother,
2 somewhere else with father, and one with a maternal aunt after the mother - her sister died in hospital.

Of the others 2 have clearly been murdered - (one of whom has been discussed here), the other by two homosexual paedos on Las Palmas
leaving us with . . .

2 properly missing.
One, a girl / young woman disappeared at the age of 18. One wonders if she was fleeing from something at home. She would now be 23
The other a lad who would now be 22

So the number of children currently "missing" in any conventional sense of the word in Spain is . . .

NIL. ZERO. NONE

And since there is only the duplicate entry for Madeleine on the same search for Portugal,
we can say the number of children currently "missing" in any conventional sense of the word in Portugal, and therefore on the entire Iberian Peninsular is . . .

NIL. ZERO. NONE

Please pedal hard and give generously ! The CEO needs to upgrade to a Series 7 BMW

by Guest 23.06.15 15:52

It all looks like it's been cobbled together to give the impression it means something.

No substance.

No use.

by tinkier 23.06.15 16:45

The two little girls Tamara and Yasmina, look very very similar?

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The non-missing Ricardo is still there

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Is this another one St Katherine of the Multiple Immaculate Conceptions saved ?

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Total Disarray

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