Missing People - and Missingkids, a CEOPS site, posting details of non existent person

lj wrote:

Lance De Boils wrote:

PeterMac wrote:

Lance De Boils wrote:There was, (a few months ago?) a child reported missing from London. A black girl of about 12 yrs old. Very unusual name. I googled, and found that the same girl had also been reported missing 3 years earlier in the US. I did point it out to the press that was advertising it (Or someone who was advertising the disappearance.) Don't know whatever happened about that. Wish I could remember the name now. Maybe it'll come back to me.

Try hard, or go to google or Way back  . . .  !
The whole thing about 250,000 Missing children per year is clearly an enormous LIE.
Many unscrupulous people are making entire careers out of repeating this LIE.
But at last, for which many thanks to the McCanns, it has been exposed as a LIE

It may be one of their abiding legacies that they destroy

Charities which pretend to look for Missing Children
The entire 'Missing people' empire
The whole 'abduction' industry
PR firms
Private detective firms which pretend to look for Missing Children
Libel law as applied in England and Portugal

If they manage to do all that, then Honours and congratulations would not be out of place.

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If these were 2 different girls (who looked very similar from pictures I saw back then) - then it's a hell of a coincidence.  Least, that's what I thought at the time.

Did you see a photo on the US site?

Lance De Boils wrote:Oh, and in case anyone missed it before, make a point of reading the thread about Jo Youle and her connections to PDL.

Doug D wrote:SharonL,
Aamina Khan
 
Sept 2011 ‘abducted’ by mother.

‘She is an intelligent and happy go lucky child and loved by everyone.

Aamina Khan was born in the UK and has only lived in the UK until she was abducted by Humma Fazal Karim Dar, with the help of others. The abduction was a selfish act, spiteful and merely to cause harm and hurt to Aamina’s father, Safraz Khan and his family members. The mother is a qualified doctor and has had her GMC medical registration suspended as a result of her unlawful action. I have not seen my beloved daughter for 9 months and I will not stop searching for her and I please ask everyone to help in the search for Aamina Khan and if you suspect anything or have seen my daughter please report it to your local Law Enforcement, police or please see the contact details on this website. The UK and Pakistani police are currently searching for Aamina, however she has not been found.’
 
So the photo must be an ‘age-progression’ thing.

'The abduction was a selfish act, spiteful and merely to cause harm and hurt to Aamina’s father' - Really??????
Nothing to do with the mum wanting to bring up her own daughter then. Bit like Lady whatsername in reverse then, where the father took the child.

PeterMac wrote:

Amy Dean wrote:

Joannep43 wrote:But in all seriousness this may well  be a vulnerable young girl missing ,surely the date when she went missing should be the same throughout police forces at the very least.Im lost for words with this  ,whats going on? @ PeterMac lol.

Maybe she goes missing, is found or returns of her own accord, then goes again?

You may be right.
Date        Age Place    
23/9/14 14 Cheadle
20/11/14 15 Llandudno
24/11/14 found
4/3/15 15 Bala, Wales
16/4/15 15 Coningsby, Lincs
16/4/15 15 Birmingham
16/4/15 15 North east

So does this girl account for 6 cases of missing child ?
She is clearly in care, so the guardians (Coningsby) have a legal duty to report as soon as she is overdue, even by a few minutes.
It was the bane of our lives when we had three children's homes on my patch in Nottingham.
Often the child would come back whilst the forms were being filled in by the PC

jeanmonroe wrote:RE: My 'last post'

There was only ONE 'tenner' but TWO 'people' got the 'kudos'! (and the 'all important', resultant, 'publicity', in UK Madia)

JY (CEO of MP) for 'donating' to GM, "oh, what a marvellous act of generosity from HER"

GM for 're-donating' JY's 'tenner' BACK to her at MP, ('money 'raised') "oh, what a marvellous act of generosity from HIM"

So, ONE (charity) 'tenner', TWO 'people' getting erm, 'praise'!

Adrian5x5 wrote:I feel somewhat responsible for this thread! I first raised the issue , on Twitter, as early as May 21st of this year using the Twitter ID @adrian5x5. Please feel free to explore my T/L!

I am currently trying to establish exactly when Ricardo Firmino was 'Found' with little success. Whatever the answer to this question is it will obviously raise more questions. Given the lack of publicity surrounding Ricardo's case the only logical explanation is that he was found relatively quickly ie., within 24 hours. Why then have MP been advertising his case for approximately six months?

I would suggest that anyone who cares would 'Download a poster' and take note of the wording at the bottom.... "To help bring 'xxxxxx' to safety text 'hope' to 70707 to donate £3"

If "xxxxxx" is not actually missing, is this not fraud? I was able to download this poster as late as June 8th of this year, despite having been personally advised by a member of CEOP that Ricardo had been found at least by May 27th.

Can anyone here advise me how to proceed with an FOI to discover when Ricardo was located?

Thanks

jeanmonroe wrote:@Tigger

I think we are at 'cross purposes''

The '36,000' figure i refer to, is at Kids Company, not MP.

'(see my 'earlier' posts, in this thread, on KC)

MP 'staff' don't 'obstensibly' actually SEARCH FOR/FIND 'missing' people, they 'offer' tea and sympathy, to 'relatives' of said 'missing' people.

and 'pay' THEMSELVES, a whooping £1.71 MILLION pa to 'do so'!

jeanmonroe wrote:@ Tigger

"There is no way they can justify their income from the Postcode Lottery..."
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Ah, the Postcode lottery.......'FRONTED' by Fiona 'i left my two kids, alone, in hotel room, and THEY GOT OUT, wandering the corridors, SCREAMING and CALLING for MUMMY, whilst i enjoyed dinner, OUT OF SIGHT' Phillips!

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SO WHAT IS A PARENT TO DO?
Fiona Phillips 12/05/2007

TWO mums confided to me this week that their children had "incidents" on holiday after being left in kids' clubs.
I won't go into the cases for privacy reasons, but both involved childcare workers acting in an inappropriate way. It has affected family holidays and both mums blame themselves for leaving their children with strangers.
So to all the smug, judgmental parents who have questioned why Kate and Gerry McCann did not make use of the Mark Warner resort creche facilities, or employ babysitters for little Madeleine and her brother and sister while they ate in a restaurant just yards away - it could have happened to any of you.
I have no doubt that Mark Warner staff are perfectly professional, but as parents we do what we think is right for our children. And if the McCanns thought it was better to leave theirs sleeping in an apartment in a holiday resort chosen for its child-friendliness rather than placing a stranger in the same room as their precious toddlers, who's to say they're wrong?
Kate's mum Susan says: "You make a decision and think it's OK. This time it wasn't and Kate and Gerry must live with that."
The fact is, on holiday, away from the stresses and strains of daily life, and especially in a resort renowned for family holidays, we'd all be lulled into a sense that nothing can harm us.
We do things we might not do at home - there's no way the McCanns would have left their tots sleeping in their bedrooms while they went to the local restaurant back in Leicestershire.
We often left ours sleeping upstairs in a hotel room while we dined downstairs until one night, when they were two and five, we were told they were running up and down the landing screaming and calling for Mummy.
I have never felt so wretched - seeing two tear-stained faces looking questioningly at me as if to say "Why did you leave us?" is an image that has stayed with me.
Now we take them with us or leave them with babysitters - babysitters who are sometimes male, often complete strangers whose credentials we don't check.
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"Now we take them with us or leave them with babysitters - babysitters who are sometimes male, often complete strangers whose credentials we don't check."

"NOW we leave them with babysitters who are sometimes male, often complete strangers whose credentials we don't check."

MOTHER OF THE YEAR THEN!

EVEN KM would NOT 'leave' her kids with 'complete MALE strangers' (or any 'strangers', for that matter (Philomena Mc))

SHE 'preferred to check' on her TREE kids, all under 4 years of age, an HOUR and a HALF, AFTER, diliberately and consciously, ('willingly and knowingly' Philomena Mc)  'LEAVING' them, ALONE, in her diliberately UNLOCKED apartment, out of her sight!

FP IS, ALSO a feted 'embarrassdor', alongside that other 'MOTY', KM,  for, wait for it, WAIT FOR IT......................'MISSING PEOPLE' charidy!

Ta Dah!

"Wheels within wheels"!
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SO WHAT IS A PARENT TO DO? ('asks FP)

Erm, let me think,



Ka-Ching! I KNOW! I KNOW!

"STAY IN WITH YOUR KIDS, AND PROTECT THEM, WITH YOUR LIFE, AND DON'T EVER LEAVE YOUR KIDS WITH 'UNCHECKED' BABYSITTER 'STRANGERS', INSTEAD OF STUFFING YOUR 'FISH' FACE, OUT OF SIGHT?"

willowthewisp wrote:Hi IJ.
The family had chosen to put the twins in the creche 4 May 2007, as they were very busy, involved in putting the "jigsaw pieces" together as the Pink one had not arrived yet, they had to make do with Justine, who was there when Gerry had a strop moment on video, "This is all case evidence and we cannot discuss it"?
Justine then had a dispute with the McCann family over funds owed to her for private work that she had done for the McCann's with the finding of their daughter Madeleine, quite a large sum apparently going by Clarence's retainer,£70,000 per annum, ker ching, another dint to the fund?

lj wrote:

willowthewisp wrote:Hi IJ.
The family had chosen to put the twins in the creche 4 May 2007, as they were very busy, involved in putting the "jigsaw pieces" together as the Pink one had not arrived yet, they had to make do with Justine, who was there when Gerry had a strop moment on video, "This is all case evidence and we cannot discuss it"?
Justine then had a dispute with the McCann family over funds owed to her for private work that she had done for the McCann's with the finding of their daughter Madeleine, quite a large sum apparently going by Clarence's retainer,£70,000 per annum, ker ching, another dint to the fund?

I think that early on the only PR support they had was Woofall (s?). 
I do think though that, beside the PR, there were many other reason to not put your kids in the creche at that point in time. But then, with all the moving and traveling we did, we never, ever, left our kids alone, I think our parenting was a bit different.

For me that was one of the pieces, so very early, to say : "abduction, now way!!"

tigger wrote:

lj wrote:

willowthewisp wrote:Hi IJ.
The family had chosen to put the twins in the creche 4 May 2007, as they were very busy, involved in putting the "jigsaw pieces" together as the Pink one had not arrived yet, they had to make do with Justine, who was there when Gerry had a strop moment on video, "This is all case evidence and we cannot discuss it"?
Justine then had a dispute with the McCann family over funds owed to her for private work that she had done for the McCann's with the finding of their daughter Madeleine, quite a large sum apparently going by Clarence's retainer,£70,000 per annum, ker ching, another dint to the fund?

I think that early on the only PR support they had was Woofall (s?). 
I do think though that, beside the PR, there were many other reason to not put your kids in the creche at that point in time. But then, with all the moving and traveling we did, we never, ever, left our kids alone, I think our parenting was a bit different.

For me that was one of the pieces, so very early, to say : "abduction, now way!!"

5th May 2007 to the 9th May 2007: the support group from UK.
Eleven members of the family and friends (arrivals on 4th, 5th and 6th)
Craig Mayhew, MW operations director. arrival 4th.
The Consul and Pro Consul 4th
The British Ambassador  arrival 4th
Alan Pike (trauma psychologist) arrival 4th.
PR Head of crisis management, Alex Woolfall 5th.
3 Leicester Police Officers arrival 5th. 
Two Criminal Behaviour Experts from CEOP  prob. 9/5

A phonecall from Cherie Blair  8/5
A phonecall from  Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett 
Investigators were in close touch with Interpol and Europol.


Sheree Dodd was sent from the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, but soon returned to London amid reports that she did not accept the McCanns’ claim that Madeleine had been abducted. 

Clarence Mitchell didn’t officially work for the McCanns until the end of May, but is rumoured to have been on the job within days if not hours. 

11 - friends and family, 13 experts from Foreign Office, MMU, CEOP, LP , PR and Pike...in just 5 days. That’s apart from the good people of PdL searching, the PJ, the GNR, the helicopters, the search and rescue dogs. 
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Tuesday May 8, 2007
Ambassador Buck gave a television interview in which he said he had been in touch with Portuguese ministers and the prime minister Jose Socrates, and senior police chiefs who assured him everything possible was being done to ensure the safe return of Madeleine. [..]
Buck made a statement to the media announcing the arrival of additional British experts. Said that investigators were in close touch with Interpol and Europol
Ambassador Buck said they were "kidnapping experts" and had joined the 3 other British investigators who had been in Portugal since Saturday 5th.
"... two 'Cracker-style' criminal behaviour experts from Britain flew into the Algarve yesterday to join investigators..."
They were from CEOP and their dispatch had been organised by the British Foreign Office. 
A spokeswoman for the CEOP said the move was unprecedented and had been organised by the Foreign Office." 

This is very interesting, I believe that these two ‘crackers’ were joining the three investigators sent by ‘Control Risk Group’. I cannot think of any other explanation. Russell O’Brien  (further down) gets a little overheated about the Control Risks not having been there as early as that, despite leaving their stamp on the third effort of the timeline of the evening. Which was handed to the PJ on the 10th of May. 

From ‘The Truth of the Lie’  by Goncalo Amaral
On Monday May 7th, we start to welcome our English colleagues from Leicestershire, the county where Madeleine and her parents live.
(note that these officers arrived on the 5th and had already been in contact with the McCanns - only meeting the PJ two days later seems a little strange as work continued through the weekend) 
[..] Little by little, the number of English police officers grows exponentially. We place at their disposal a room next to our crisis unit, Task Portugal. These are specialists from various police services, including Scotland Yard. Special surveillance teams as well as information and telecommunications technicians turn up with their laptops and various high-tech equipment. unquote
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From ‘madeleine’:
The Portuguese police were apparently reluctant early on to accept any help beyond this from their counterparts in the UK. However, in addition to the Leicestershire FLOs, they did permit forensic psychologists from CEOP, the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre, and an analyst from the National Policing Improvements Agency to come to Praia da Luz the following week. Even that may have been unprecedented: we understood this was the first time the Portuguese authorities had ever allowed any foreign force into the country to assist in an investigation.
[..]  In the coming weeks we would meet DCS Bob Small, who we found straight-talking and honest. A lot of hard work went on at home as well, where DS Stuart Prior, the senior investigating officer, was kind enough to show our relatives round the incident room – and Gerry, too, later on.
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Only 32 hours after 'zero hour' they had Pike - about 6 in the morning - and before that the ambassador (within 24 hours) etc... 
Woolfall was certainly on the job on Saturday. 
The creche was opened especially for the McCanns on the Saturday I believe, normally it was closed on that day.