Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?

by Guest 06.03.16 12:34

Indeed, that's the general format isn't it - either promote 'em or give 'em an honourable of some description to keep 'em sweet.

Same old names crop up every time the nationwide child abuse scandal is mentioned, royalty, senior police officials, politicians, celebrities with Savile and Rantzen taking centre stage with a liberal dose of Geldof thrown in the crowd. Curiously so many of them involved one way or another with child care establishments and charities. A private members club of the Hamish tartan?

I see the subject has already been raised on the forum - I should have known..

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From the Halls of Power..

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Alison Saunders CB - Director of Public Prosecutions.

by willowthewisp 07.03.16 12:11

Ah, so our Alison acting as CPS Lawyer (fitting the pieces together like a jigsaw of circumstantial evidence,residue of gun powder eh) in the Jill Dando unsolved murder and Barry George, SIO Hamish Campbell, proving another link of connections to Operation Grange along with darling Clarence Mitchell?

by willowthewisp 28.03.16 16:18

Memo to the Right Honourable Prime Minister, Dave Cameron. New tax year begins 6 April 2016, speak with Gideon and Theresa about funding continuing on Operation Grange, if Portugal are still insistent on not coming around to our "Thorough investigation" that we have conducted via sweet Rebekah and Rupert?

by Mirage 22.04.16 18:35

The live feed counter on McCann PJ files has been absolutely spinning for the last hour (at least). I have seen heavy traffic there before but nothing to match this. Seeing the names of towns and cities covering the length and breadth of Britain scroll past at fair rate makes you realise how many people are looking at the statements and other information. And to consider this is the start of the weekend, when most people's minds are usually focussed on getting home and unwinding, only makes it more extraordinary.
This case is nine years old. What other cold case can anyone think of that would produce this extraordinary reaction? Not only from Scotland to Wales to Ireland and all places between, but USA, Romania and Bulgaria among other foreign interest. I have been mesmerised by the numbers and the frequency.
The Met are really between a rock and a hard place now. They will have to do something to stem the obvious reputational damage this case is causing around the globe.

by Bishop Brennan 23.04.16 4:52

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The Met are really between a rock and a hard place now. They will have to do something to stem the obvious reputational damage this case is causing around the globe.

You are quite right. I suspect that even now there is strong pressure being put on the MET to come out with a statement or case-archiving summary that can be spun as an exoneration of the McCanns. The recent "she might well be alive" statement seems to be part of that process - delivered as it was just 24 hours before the devastating loss in the appeal.

Regardless of when they close the case down (probably after the 95k runs out), there won't be an abductor, there won't even be evidence of abduction. All the rest will be spin. Meanwhile an official English version of the book will be published - and no matter how many copies are sold - it will forever be seen as more authentic than the S&S trash that has rightly been discredited and forgotten.

by willowthewisp 26.04.16 14:24

Well,Well, who would have thought it,Mr Goncalo Amaral and his legal team overturn a previous Court ruling and suddenly like a genie Sir Bernard Hogan Howe, states that they have only now one "Official Line of inquiry" they are following, that of a former DCI Andy Redwood and his theory of a Paedophile Burglar, that if this line of inquiry is unsuccessful they may well have to close Operation Grange without finding a suspect of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?
If people are still of the "Opinion" that there is no possible connection of the results of the defamation case of former lead Detective Goncalo Amaral and Operation Grange announcements/flights to the Algarve in the pursuance of justice in this case,perhaps we should ask our MP's as Mr Tony Bennett will be doing when handing in the petition at Downing Street, as to the costing of this Operation of over £12 Million pounds to the public's purse?

by MayMuse 26.04.16 14:42

This has been one hell of an expensive 'theatre' production!!?!!

by sallypelt 26.04.16 14:45

willowthewisp wrote:Well,Well, who would have thought it,Mr Goncalo Amaral and his legal team overturn a previous Court ruling and suddenly like a genie Sir Bernard Hogan Howe, states that they have only now one "Official Line of inquiry" they are following, that of a former DCI Andy Redwood and his theory of a Paedophile Burglar, that if this line of inquiry is unsuccessful they may well have to close Operation Grange without finding a suspect of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann?
If people are still of the "Opinion" that there is no possible connection of the results of the defamation case of former lead Detective Goncalo Amaral and Operation Grange announcements/flights to the Algarve in the pursuance of justice in this case,perhaps we should ask our MP's as Mr Tony Bennett will be doing when handing in the petition at Downing Street, as to the costing of this Operation of over £12 Million pounds to the public's purse?

Yes, willow. SY had BETTER get it right, this time. This is their one and only LAST chance to make amends. The world has, and is STILL watching. The Genie is out of the bottle, and people KNOW the truth, even if there are pieces missing. The internet is a curse and a blessing. A curse for those who want to avoid the truth getting out, and a blessing who those who find truth and justice, by exposing the liars who have made innocent people's lives a complete misery.

by Guest 03.07.16 14:23

David Cameron's legacy - or at least one of them..

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Dear Prime Minister,

As a devoted father and family man, you know the importance of children. Our beloved eldest child, Madeleine, was abducted from Praia da Luz, Portugal, four years ago. Since then, we have devoted all our energies to ensuring her safe return.

Today we are asking you - and the British and Portuguese governments - to help find Madeleine and bring her back to her loving family.

We live in hope that Madeleine will be found alive and returned to us. One call might be all that is needed to lead to Madeleine and her abductor.

To this end, we are seeking a joint INDEPENDENT, TRANSPARENT and COMPREHENSIVE review of ALL information held in relation to Madeleine's disappearance. Thus far, there has been NO formal review of the material held by the police authorities - which is routine practice in most major unsolved crimes.
It is not right that a young vulnerable British citizen has essentially been given up on. This remains an unsolved case of a missing child. Children are our most precious gift.

Please don't give up on Madeleine.

Kate & Gerry McCann

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Panorama - Madeleine: The Last Hope? [thanks to HiDeHo]

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by plebgate 04.07.16 8:02

Dear Dave, before you leave office will you be finding the money for an AP photo of Maddie as it is an expensive outlay her parents aren't able to cough up out of the £750,000 in The Fund?
After all it is a drop in the ocean compared to the £12million plus already spent with no result whatsoever.

by Doug D 22.07.16 13:34

MPS FOI Disclosures for w/e 5^th June 2016. As usual, no idea who submitted it.

Freedom of Information Request Reference No:

I note you seek access to the following information:
REQUEST 1:

With regards to Operation Grange -

- What was the reason for downsizing the team to 4 people at the close of last year?
- The remaining team members are overseen by their department, the MIT. What is the specific expertise of these four members?

REQUEST 2:

Regarding Operation Grange: Is there a projected date on which the investigation is expected to end?
Given that the case involves intelligence, will Operation Grange's findings be made public when it concludes, just as the Policia Judiciaria did?
Is the predominant remit of Operation Grange to find Madeleine McCann's remains, or working with Intelligences on closing the case?
The Policia Judiciaria omitted the details of sex offenders and their interviews. Could you tell me, in yes or no form, whether Operation Grange has examined the criminal records of English tourists who were present in 2007?

DECISION
I will answer your questions in turn.

Question 1 - With regards to Operation Grange - What was the reason for downsizing the team to 4 people at the close of last year?
As the MPS press release dated 28/10/15 states - "The MPS are now following a small number of focused lines of inquiry that have allowed them to reduce the size of the Home Office funded team."
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Question 2 - The remaining team members are overseen by their department, the MIT. What is the specific expertise of these four members?
Officers were retained due to their knowledge of the case.

Question 3 - Regarding Operation Grange: Is there a projected date on which the investigation is expected to end?
No. As the MPS press release dated 28/10/15 states - "The enquiry has not reached a conclusion, there are still focused lines of investigation to be pursued."
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Question 4 - Given that the case involves intelligence, will Operation Grange's findings be made public when it concludes, just as the Policia Judiciaria did?
This decision has not yet been made.

Question 5 - Is the predominant remit of Operation Grange to find Madeleine McCann's remains, or working with Intelligences on closing the case?
There has been no change in the MPS remit in this case. It is to review what has gone before and investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Question 6 - The Policia Judiciaria omitted the details of sex offenders and their interviews. Could you tell me, in yes or no form, whether Operation Grange has examined the criminal records of English tourists who were present in 2007?
In accordance with the Act, this response represents a Refusal Notice for this particular request under Section 17(1) of the Act.
The MPS can neither confirm nor deny that it holds any information relating to this request by virtue of the following exemptions:
Section 23(5) Information Supplied by or concerning certain Security Bodies Section 30(3) Criminal Investigations
Section 31(3) Law enforcement
Section 40(5) Personal Information
Should it be held, constituents of this information would attract Section 23, others Section 30, others Section 31 and other constituents would attract Section 40 of the Act.
It should not be surmised that should the information be held by the MPS that we would be applying Sections 23, 30, 31 and 40 to the same pieces of information.
Information Rights Unit

by willowthewisp 22.07.16 14:14

Another polite way of say**ck All,what a cover up, hiding behind legislation on the "Merry Go Round" Round and Round the Mulberry Bush,pop go's the Weasel,case closed due to the lack of evidence, (night night sleep tight,Sealed in the House of Commons Dnotice 100 years)?

by Guest 30.07.16 0:27

Remind me again - why did Operation Grange invade Praia da Luz in May (that month again) 2014 under the leadership of ex-DCI Andy Redwood? What was the new evidence/tip-off that prompted such a costly extravaganza?

Whatever the reason it didn't advance the investigation did it? A dirty old discarded smelly sock (probably one of Tony's) doesn't amount to much does it? I wanna know how and why my money's been squandered.

by willowthewisp 30.07.16 14:04

Hi Verdi,your money has not been squandered, it has been used to identify a "Revelation Moment" which contains a special sealant of Red Wax wrapped up by a Red Ribbon to be placed in the safety of the House of Common's(Den of ill repute) in an on going D-Notice cover up!?
Spare a thought though,Dame Goddard's Inquiry £18 Million plus involving thousands of abused children,Operation Grange £16+ Million and still no arrest of any criminals of a still missing Madeleine McCann?

by Doug D 30.07.16 16:46

???????????

I need help with local law, admits child abuse judge

Sean O’Neill, Chief Reporter

July 30 2016, 12:01am,
The Times

The government’s public inquiry into child abuse is facing a crisis after the judge leading it admitted that she was unfamiliar with “local law”.

There are concerns that Dame Lowell Goddard, the New Zealand judge appointed by Theresa May to lead the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA), is struggling with the scale of a task that could last a decade and cost more than £100 million.

The judge — who has a £500,000 annual pay and perks package — has been in the post for more than a year, yet at a hearing this week she appeared to be unaware…

Rest hidden behind paywall.

Anybody subscribe to RM’s rag?

by willowthewisp 31.07.16 15:23

Hi DougD, It seems as though Dame Goddard is facing an uphill task, that may be taxing the grey matter in Local Law analysis?
Now if you are in a remuneration of £500,000 PA x 10yrs=£5 Million,minus tax And NI, which would enable your earnings of £3 Million?
Maybe, Dame Goddard has realised how difficult it will be to afford an unbiased "Investigation" if the Courts uphold a decision Not to have "Official Transcripts" of Government papers to be cross examined by the defendants Barristers in a bid to ascertain the Truth?
Perhaps Dame Goddard,"suddenly develop Home Sickness Syndrome" and has to return home to New Zealand,leaving the Investigation in Limbo?
It doe's seem a bit of a Strange Coincidence, that Exaro is to close down and now we have Sir Bernard Hogan Howe calling for a suppression of the full facts involving Operation Midland,Fernbridge by an appointed QC Richard Henriques?
The World is being woken up by what may have been suppressed for years of "Child Abuse,Rapes,kidnappings and Murders,via the Internet, yet what seems strange, is that the Metropolitan Police Service supposedly investigated the involvement of "Paedophile Ring" kidnapping Madeleine McCann from Prai Da Luiz,3 May 2007,yet seemingly failed to find any "Paedophile"association to her disappearance,Now suddenly Operation Grange,DCI Andy Redwood,Crime Watch October 2013 has identified Paedophile Burglars operating in the complexes in and around where Madeleine disappeared from,five years after finding no evidence in 2008?

by Guest 03.08.16 0:00

Sir Paul Stephenson: Falling murder rate allowed Maddy investigation to proceed

The Commissioner of the Metropolitan police yesterday revealed that he decided to take on the Madeleine McCann investigation because London’s falling murder rate meant that he had detectives spare.

By Mark Hughes, Crime Correspondent

6:51PM BST 26 May 2011

Sir Paul Stephenson has previously denied that Scotland Yard was forced to investigate the case by the Prime Minister and the Home Secretary.

The Commissioner has stressed that he made the decision and there was no political interference from David Cameron.

Yesterday, under questioning from Metropolitan Police Authority members, he detailed his reasoning for taking on the investigation.

Sir Paul said that one of the reasons is the number of murders in London – which has fallen to 124 in 2011 from 172 per year in 2006.

He explained that it meant there is now no need for 24 murder teams across the capital and the number will be reduced in the next nine months, leaving experienced detectives free to take on the McCann case.

Sir Paul also said that Scotland Yard’s experience and expertise meant that they were the perfect force to lead a review into the Portuguese investigation in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance during a family holiday in 2007.

Explaining the decision, he said: “It is about expertise. It is about the fact that we do have the capacity and the capability because we have decided to reduce the murder investigation teams.”

The Commissioner also faced accusations today that the Madeleine McCann case was getting "unfair" and "special" attention at Scotland Yard.

But he denied that his decision to agree to review the investigation into the girl's disappearance could come at the cost of other inquiries.

Sir Paul was confronted over the review by London Assembly member Jenny Jones. Speaking at City Hall, she said she sympathised with the McCann family but asked him: “Why is this a special case?”

Sir Paul replied: "I do not take your point." He added that other cases of missing people in London were reviewed every two years.

And he denied that it was unusual for the force to get involved in cases outside of its London jurisdiction, listing a number of cases including the Soham murders, the Jersey Child abuse case and the disappearance of Ben Needham, who vanished on a family holiday in Kos in 1991.

Sir Paul reiterated that the McCann review will not cost the Metropolitan Police. The Government will reimburse the Met on a quarterly basis as the review goes on, he said.

"It is not an open cheque and it is not going to go on forever," he added.

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by Guest 13.08.16 15:00

Phone Farage on Health Tourism And Madeleine McCann- October 2015

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Brief mention of Madeleine McCann case cut-backs @ 14:40 minutes

I guess he was hedging his bets but I don't think Nigel Farage should be commenting on an active police investigation, at least not opining on the prime suspects bignono

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by Guest 24.08.16 12:30

A revelation moment ....

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follow that tractor ....

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by willowthewisp 24.08.16 14:26

Verdi wrote:A revelation moment ....

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follow that tractor ....

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Top photo,Hamish and Andy,where's the Coat Barry!
Then off to Portugal on a fact finding mission with some colleagues,where's that one Sock and when does the Helicopter arrive for our super dooper exposure of Scotland Yards finest?

by Guest 24.08.16 23:52

Urgent and strictly confidential Express delivery from Leicester Constabulary - for the personal attention of whom it may concern

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Britain's finest (if not the worlds) and that's all they can produce after five years and well in excess of 12 million quid spent. It's embarrassing.

by willowthewisp 25.08.16 13:38

Verdi wrote:Urgent and strictly confidential Express delivery from Leicester Constabulary - for the personal attention of whom it may concern

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Britain's finest (if not the worlds) and that's all they can produce after five years and well in excess of 12 million quid spent. It's embarrassing.

Airlander 10 had DCI Andy Redwood at the controls during it's second Flight,is that why he suddenly bailed out of Operation Grange,over to you DCI Nichola,now DCSMick Duthie's hot potatoe,those magnificent men in those flying Machines?

by willowthewisp 14.11.16 12:44

So now we have an Assistant Commissioner,Stev Rodhouse,reported to the IPCC by his boss,Sir Bernard Hogan Howe over the investigation into alleged child abuse,Operation Midland,who had taken statements from a witness,"Stephen =Nick"who had professed that a certain "Cigar"smoking individual was present when Stephen was abused?
In November 2016,Steve Rodhouse responds to a letter sent by Jill Havern on Operation Grange,so we now have a serving "Officer" involved with the Madeleine McCann investigation,who has been reported for Not acting properly in Operation Midland case and No one thinks it strange,for that Officer to be associated to an ongoing investigation on"Operation Grange"when he has not been investigated by the IPCC on his role in that investigation? bignono

by **Tony Bennett** 14.11.16 17:01

Well spotted @ willowthewisp

by Guest 14.11.16 20:54

The whole thing stinks - the question remains is why it was decided to conduct an investigation into historic child sex abuse involving high profile British statesmen in the first place when the outcome was so predictable. If the Metropolitan Police, on behalf of the government, are assigned to investigate past claims of child sex abuse, a cosmetic exercise, then at least try to make it look convincing and not flounder about like a bunch of inebriated baboons. They really do treat the public like a bunch of idiots don't they?

This from the Telegraph last October..

The apology came just days after Sir Richard Henriques, a former High Court judge, delivered to Sir Bernard a draft report into Scotland Yard’s Operation Midland, its calamitous inquiry into a VIP paedophile ring.

Other dignitaries falsely accused included Sir Edward Heath, the former prime minister, and Lord Brittan, the ex-home secretary.

Lord Bramall said police had now told him they knew he was innocent from “very early on”. But officers did not close the case against him because of other ongoing lines of inquiry and a fear the Met would be criticised for failing to investigate the claims thoroughly.

Lord Bramall told the Telegraph: “Although police knew from very early on they had no case to answer they couldn’t stop investigating because they didn’t want to be accused of not investigating it properly. Sir Bernard told me 'we couldn’t take you out of it earlier’ because it would look like I had preferential treatment.”

The case has echoes of the police failure to tell Lord Brittan he had been cleared of a rape allegation prior to his death.

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Always the answer - wait for someone to die and their secret is buried with them. At some time in the future it would be very interesting to learn just how much public money has been expended investigating past and present cases of child sex abuse to no avail, it must run into billions already.

by willowthewisp 15.11.16 12:14

Hi Verdi,But where the inebriated baboons acting on orders from above,Not to properly investigate,remains unanswered,as you know it was a long time ago and the witnesses memories of the events fade?
This is especially so if you have been abused,that you were in a confused state and when the"Carers showed affection"to the children,they misread the situation and the signals given by the"Carers"as this may have been the first time,the children had been shown affection,due to the Home Environment they had been rescued from?
It has come to light that,"Stephen,Nick" had chosen to "Familiarise"the Home of Lord Brammell,so that when he gave descriptions to the Investigating Officers of the Home of the abuser,this could correlate factual to the place the abuse was supposed to have taken place at?
What remains to be seen is if,the CPS proceed to Prosecute Nick for Perverting the Course of Justice?
Some people say this is very unlikely,as any trail would allude to how "Operation Midland" had conducted themselves and would have to wait for the IPCC Investigation to have run its course as to the conduct of the Metropolitan Police Officers involved in that original case?
What has not come out of the Lord Brammell and Harvey Proctor investigation is was,"Nick"the main/sole Witness to abuse of children in that investigation or were there other witnesses to child abuse allegations?

by willowthewisp 01.02.17 16:34

So the last"Throw of the Dice"is that spotters were used to identify Madeleine McCann from Beach and poolside pictures in the Abduction Remit?
The spotters must have been determined that only this little girl identified was to be the chosen child to be abducted,as according to the parents,"They only had a brief moment"to undertake that activity and leave no traceable scenes of crime evidence(Jemmied Shutters),which DCS Mr Andy Redwood had broadened from 21.10 until 22.00 hrs,apartment 5a Ocean Club 3 May 2007 Crime Watch October 2013?
The Metropolitan Police Service were alerted by Interpol in 2008 about a group of people thought at the time to be involved in "Child Abduction"related to Marc Dutroux affair,gang from the 1990's?
The Metropolitan Police Service investigation was proved inconclusive on that theory,yet Ten years later,they are thought to be re-investigating that theory in regard to Madeleine's disappearance-Abduction,Operation Grange,funding ends in April 2017 and now we have the decision on the Portugal Supreme Court Defamation trail,but of course they are not linked in any way,just a coincidence?
Just as a certain close friend of the family was handed a"Dossier"about trolling and is now a retiring Commander of the Metropolitan Police Force has reluctantly been unable to solve the Madeleine McCann disappearance,just another coincidence, eh Sir Bernard,RIP Brenda Leyland?