Interview with Father Haynes Hubbard 5 year on

Interview with Father Haynes Hubbard, he's the Anglican priest isn't he, where is an interview with a Catholic one, I thought they were Catholics.......

Looks very trustworthy! And what a nice good quality wristband he is sporting!

ToffeeApple wrote:Looks very trustworthy! And what a nice good quality wristband he is sporting!

I've never called a vicar or even a rector 'father'. Surely that's not usual?

tigger wrote:

ToffeeApple wrote:Looks very trustworthy! And what a nice good quality wristband he is sporting!

I've never called a vicar or even a rector 'father'. Surely that's not usual?

Correct, father is a Catholic thing. I always got the impression this guy was a quasi-spook, parachuted in to prevent the Father Pacheco/Kate McCann/Healy dynamic spiralling out of control. Afaik, the PJ are convinced Kate confessed all to Fr Pacheco, which is why he said he felt "betrayed" (the key to the church, a bulletproof temporary hiding place) and "destroyed" by the McCanns. So much so that the secrets Fr P refuses to divulge to his friends and non-clergy, made it all the way to the Vatican, where the McCann circus was swiftly removed from the Papal web site after the ten second Papal fly-by. I still wonder if that butterfly was CGI? Apparently, Clarence/Bath/butterflies may have quite the connection.

I've seen clips of the great man meeting the Pope, from the side, from the back, no butterfly, not one.

Welcome by the way!

tigger wrote:I've seen clips of the great man meeting the Pope, from the side, from the back, no butterfly, not one.

Welcome by the way!

Aha! So it was all outlandish Clarence spin, eh? Thanks tigger.

Some very high church Anglicans refer to their clergy as 'Father', I believe.

What I don't get is why supposedly devout catholics have got so pally with an anglican priest. My husband has RC relatives in the north west and they can just about acknowledge that there are other flavours of christianity, but as far as they are concerned, it's not the real thing. In that, they are very typical, and I would bet that the McCann/Healey clans are of the same mind, so K & G cosying up to an anglican is very odd.

Miraflores wrote:Some very high church Anglicans refer to their clergy as 'Father', I believe.

What I don't get is why supposedly devout catholics have got so pally with an anglican priest. My husband has RC relatives in the north west and they can just about acknowledge that there are other flavours of christianity, but as far as they are concerned, it's not the real thing. In that, they are very typical, and I would bet that the McCann/Healey clans are of the same mind, so K & G cosying up to an anglican is very odd.

Very odd indeed, unless of course he is a handler. I am convinced he is. Whether he knows it or not. And the oppo, Pacheco, has been run out of town. Portugal is an overwhelmingly Cathlic country, it is beyond bizarre that this quality wristband dog collar takes centre stage. Perhaps he is an ex Para, they like God on their side, all British regiments have these halfwits telling the cannon fodder God is on their side. It honestly makes a complete mockery of the tenets of Jesus Christ. Ditto Pacheco keeping schtum. But that is just my option, Pacheco seems like the real deal, and must be suffering hell on earth.

Miraflores wrote:Some very high church Anglicans refer to their clergy as 'Father', I believe.

What I don't get is why supposedly devout catholics have got so pally with an anglican priest. My husband has RC relatives in the north west and they can just about acknowledge that there are other flavours of christianity, but as far as they are concerned, it's not the real thing. In that, they are very typical, and I would bet that the McCann/Healey clans are of the same mind, so K & G cosying up to an anglican is very odd.

"What I don't get is why supposedly devout catholics have got so pally with an anglican priest."

And a Jehovah's Witness, a Jew, a recent Catholic convert, the Son of the Manse, and adherents of the Universal Architect.

K F B B F

This is all taking a more ugly turn than even I imagined.

He was posted to PdL very soon after 3/5/07. Coming from Canada, I believe. His wife was so supportive of Kate that she visited witnesses who were refusing to contact Kate. (see the Witnesses contacted by the McCanns topic)

candyfloss wrote:Interview with Father Haynes Hubbard, he's the Anglican priest isn't he, where is an interview with a Catholic one, I thought they were Catholics.......

Spot on candyfloss And the mccanns are only Catholics when it suits them ,

I agree, the whole Fr Hubbard thing is very odd. It is understandable that the church is shared between protestants and catholics, as PDL attracts (or used to attract!) so many foreign visitors who might want an English speaking Anglican priest to conduct services for them. But it is unthinkable that in a Catholic country he would be centre stage the way he is - he would be a bit player. As for poor Fr Pacheco, I asked my parish priest in general terms whether a priest could ever break the seal of the confessional, even to the Pope, and he said no. What is more he confirmed that priests cannot withhold absolution if they believe the penitent is truly remorseful, so they can't put any conditions on absolution such as admitting what they have done to the police or anyone else. So if Fr Pacheco believed at the time they were sincere and absolved them of whatever it was, he would be tortured now by the circus that has gone on since May 2007. Fr Hubbard IMO was definitely shipped in for some reason - the coincidence otherwise of his arrival within a couple of days stretches credibility much too far.

tigger wrote:He was posted to PdL very soon after 3/5/07. Coming from Canada, I believe. His wife was so supportive of Kate that she visited witnesses who were refusing to contact Kate. (see the Witnesses contacted by the McCanns topic)

And starred in the street-crossing sequence in the mockumentary with (her?) dogs.

Ask the dogs, Tigger, ask the dogs!

from HH around the time K was writing her book :
PRIEST

Since the youngster disappeared on May 3, 2007, aged three, Kate, also mum to six-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, has made a number of secret trips back to the resort.

She goes alone and stays with Haynes Hubbard, the local Anglican priest and his wife Susan.

Father Hubbard said: “She doesn’t enjoy being in front of the camera but she is prepared to do it because it might bring her child back.
“They need money to carry on the investigation. They will never stop looking and that’s why this book has been written.
“It probably tears them apart to do this but the child is worth it.”
Friends say Kate will “want to settle some scores” – particularly with the Portuguese police, who investigated the disappearance and became convinced, wrongly, the child’s parents were involved.
After numerous false hopes in the search the book may be one last throw of the dice for the family.

we saw some score settling re the police in the book..but the bold.....is it just me, or is this not a weird thing to say ? Brought to mind the l'Oreal ad which I hate....you're worth it [ so buy this product otherwise you think you're a loser].
" It [absolutely] tears them apart, but they will do anything, nothing will be too much trouble, they will sufffer any kind of personal torment, false accusations about their involvement, they will ignore this and save every ounce of strength they have to searching for their beloved daughter "...that I could accept.
but we get......"probably tears them apart [ maybe not though]..but the child [ not Madeleine] is worth it."
He is beneath contempt and dares to call himself a man of God.

It could just be me, but I found that ' laugh' (giggle) at 2.05mins a bit disconcerting, if not feaky, and frankly, wholly inappropriate .

ladyblackthorn wrote:It could just be me, but I found that ' laugh' (giggle) at 2.05mins a bit disconcerting, if not feaky, and frankly, wholly inappropriate .

Didn't Kate have a go in her book at the priest who came over to their flat to do a prayer vigil because he was too cheery?

Wonder why she didn't lambast Gerry for cracking jokes on the balcony and killing himself laughing in that infamous youtube clip, taken a few days after Madeleine went missing!

Father Hubbard here was laughing at the idea that everyone knows there is a slim chance she is still alive, and saying who cares, they have hope. Nothing wrong in that if he believes in their innocence. But he is not being realistic. Where is an example of a 3 year old snatched from her bed by strangers for a loving couple who was later returned to her parents.

friedtomatoes, you have a good point there !

Unfortunately, I only managed half the book...

I suppose people do drop their guard in private, but knowing this was a recorded interview it beggars belief.

Slightly off topic, but related - don't suppose there is a link anywhere to the interview with Susan Hubbard in 2007 where she made reference to the 'hounding of an innocent couple', or something similar ? After knowing someone for 2 weeks, not knowing their character, or being with them at the time of the 'Event' this did seem bizarre imo.

ladyblackthorn wrote:friedtomatoes, you have a good point there !

Unfortunately, I only managed half the book...

I suppose people do drop their guard in private, but knowing this was a recorded interview it beggars belief.

Slightly off topic, but related - don't suppose there is a link anywhere to the interview with Susan Hubbard in 2007 where she made reference to the 'hounding of an innocent couple', or something similar ? After knowing someone for 2 weeks, not knowing their character, or being with them at the time of the 'Event' this did seem bizarre imo.

I have never seen susan hubbard on video and I have watched hundreds of them.I think her hubby probably said something like that. If I come across it I will post it.

ladyblackthorn wrote:It could just be me, but I found that ' laugh' (giggle) at 2.05mins a bit disconcerting, if not feaky, and frankly, wholly inappropriate .

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I wonder how often Kate and Gerry go back to Portugal, (since Fr Hubbard mentions that they do)?
If my daughter had gone missing from there I am not sure that I would want to go back.

tigger wrote:He was posted to PdL very soon after 3/5/07. Coming from Canada, I believe. His wife was so supportive of Kate that she visited witnesses who were refusing to contact Kate. (see the Witnesses contacted by the McCanns topic)

That's what I mean. New kid on the block. Parachuted in. It stinks.

I do not understand this either. The McCann are a Catholic family, why do they become so friendly and in confidence with a Protestant pastor? Portugal is a Catholic country, there must be many Catholic priests. The Christian neighborhood where I grew up, the Catholic families would never entrust their secrets to a Priest who was not of the Catholic faith.

What I find interesting in all this is that a couple who arrived from Canada very early after the event would have to become close friends with the McCanns until today... If I remember it correctly I think someone advised them at their arrival at the Lisbon airport that a child had been abducted in the Algarve!...that they should take care about their children,( Susan H. said so) as if they might be arriving at an awful and dangerous place. There are marvellous coincidences ... They had to meet someone at the airport who would advise them......Too much information or what?
And it seems nobody will ever put in doubt a priest, no matter if anglican or catholic...
If you have priests talking nicely about you for sure you are nice, aren't you ?
I wouldn't like any priest to talk about me. But I won't give them a chance for it, will I ?
And why not? Because unlike Kate and Gerry, I'm a sinner

Besides, why isn't there a statement from a Portuguese resident in PDL to tell about the McCanns what the "Little Britain"says about them?
Susan Hubbard seems to have contacted Port.witnesses for information?. But I guess she wasn't much successful.

Interesting article here on the Hubbards from mccannfiles..............


Missing Madeleine CBC News

Vanished on holiday

NANCY DURHAM
May 2, 2008

One year ago, Kate and Gerry McCann's holiday on Portugal's Algarve coast turned into a nightmare. On the second-last night of their vacation, the McCanns, from Leicestershire, England, put their three children to bed: Madeleine, nearly four, and two-year-old twins Sean and Emilie. Then they walked 50 metres to dine at a tapas bar, which is part of the Ocean Club complex in Praia de Luz where they were staying with friends. The couples took turns checking on each other's children every 30 minutes or so. At around 10 p.m., Kate McCann discovered Madeleine missing from her bed.



Father Haynes Hubbard


In the year since the 3-year-old girl disappeared on May 3, 2007, a Canadian couple has been playing a crucial role of support in the lives of Kate and Gerry McCann.

The Hubbards – Haynes, an Anglican priest who was about to take up a new post as senior chaplain for the Algarve Anglican Church, and Susan, a midwife – arrived in Praia de Luz three days after Madeleine's disappearance. The town was in chaos as police combed the area looking for the missing British girl, reporters jostled for interviews and helicopters circled in the sky. This was no longer the peaceful tourist town the couple remembered from a previous visit when Haynes temporarily filled the role of Anglican chaplain in the former fishing village. Now he was arriving to take on the job full time.

God brought us here

The Hubbards appear to have had enough of reporters. Yet they agree to open their door to another inquisitive stranger for one reason only: because there's a chance that giving another interview just might help find the little girl they've never met.

The Hubbards now believe Madeleine's disappearance is the reason they were "called" to Portugal. Susan remembers the moment it hit her.

"It wasn't until months later, when I saw really why God had brought us here, that I was awestruck that he confirmed we were to be here before we even set foot in our town of Praia de Luz," she says. "For me, he confirmed it on the plane … the fact that there was a child missing here gave us our first mission before we even set foot in the place."

Hold on to your baby

Their arrival was unnerving. When their plane landed in Lisbon, Susan was warned.

"This old woman grabbed me, and I was holding on to our five-month-old son, Caspian, and she grabbed my arm and spoke to me in Portuguese: 'Hold on to your baby; there's been an English child taken.'"

At first, Susan double-locked the doors and windows to keep their three children safe. Caspian has an older sister, Gabriela, 9, and brother, Sebastian, now 10. Soon, the family relaxed, and Haynes, too, saw this was the place they were meant to be.

"It was pretty clear that He was using us, of the same age [as the McCanns] and with small children and Susan speaking Portuguese … and being able to relate to them in a tiny way, to lead them in prayer and just to walk with them," he said.

Haynes Hubbard loves travel, so when it was time to move on from his Dunnville, Ont., parish, he and Susan saw the job opening in Praia de Luz as an opportunity. Haynes says he felt a little guilty "in terms of my ministry, wanting to travel," but a friend encouraged him to see it as a gift, pointing out that he could be useful abroad.

Rural Ontario roots

It's hard to imagine a couple better suited to extend the hand of friendship to Kate and Gerry McCann, who are also devout Christians. Although the McCanns are Roman Catholic, in this seaside town, the lines between Catholic and Protestant are blurred. Both faiths share the pretty, white and mustard yellow-trimmed church, Our Lady of Light, which sits just above the shimmering beach in the town centre.

The McCanns were soon attending Haynes Hubbard's weekly services, and Susan Hubbard reached out to Kate McCann. In keeping with her rural Ontario upbringing, she made her approach in that very Canadian way of offering food.

"It's something my mother would always do, being a part of the church community in Canada," Susan said.

More gifts of food followed, and notes, and soon a warm friendship between Susan Hubbard and Kate McCann began.

Susan wants it known that their friendship is not one-sided. She describes how throughout the McCanns' own desperate ordeal, Kate inquired about the Hubbards' children.

"That's how she is," Susan said. "In the middle of her grief, she still is such a caring, loving friend."

In fact, Susan says, it was the McCanns who helped the Hubbards settle in to their new parish. Susan has visited the McCanns since their return to England last September, and the two women keep in close touch through text messages and e-mail.



The Hubbards have faithfully stood by the McCanns throughout their ordeal, and they continue to do so. They hold weekly vigils for Madeleine in Our Lady of Light. A photograph of the little girl's smiling face is on the wall by the altar. Beside it, the words "pray for me" are written.

Sightings of Madeleine have been reported across Europe and as far away as Australia, each one turning out to be a disappointment. At summer's end last year, and with no clue to Madeleine's disappearance, the Portuguese police named her parents as suspects, which in Portugal allows police to question witnesses more thoroughly.

No charges have been laid against the McCanns, but British tabloid newspapers turned on the couple, printing dozens of false stories filled with rumour and innuendo suggesting they were responsible for their daughter's disappearance. The McCanns sued, and in March, the Express newspaper group paid more than $1 million in damages to the couple and printed front-page apologies. The McCanns are using the funds to support their campaign to find Madeleine as well as to launch a program in Europe similar to the North American Amber Alert system used to find missing children.

The Hubbards, like the McCanns, believe Madeleine may well be alive, and they pray for her safe return. The Hubbards' faith in God is unwavering, though Susan Hubbard wonders "why our prayers haven't been answered."

"I don't understand that," she says. "I've seen the letters come into their home and their hands. How could so many people be praying for the exact same thing and it not happen? It's hard."

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Further mention of the Hubbards in Antonella Lazzeri's latest attempt at journalism.

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The comments about Sr Amaral and the police are an absolute disgrace!

Jean wrote:Further mention of the Hubbards in Antonella Lazzeri's latest attempt at journalism.

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The comments about Sr Amaral and the police are an absolute disgrace!

Thanks Jean. Interesting though they put this bit in from Goncalo ..............

When the TV host remonstrated with him, the vile ex-cop replied: “I do not know why he (Gerry McCann) says there must be a body. In order to prove the child is dead it is not necessary to have a body.


Also this, she is going to be in trouble ......................

It was the start of a nightmare for her parents that has lasted five years — and for the world, the beginning of one of the most puzzling mysteries of all time

But the four comments are not supportive.

mann210
if what he says is true then the witness who said she saw a man carrying a young child away is wrong,so what can you make of that.If only there was something to go on that was sound.
-----------------But most parents at the resort used the free evening creche while they ate out and then carried their often sleepy/sleeping kids back to their apartments. A man carrying a sleeping child in their pyjamas at the resort would therefore not be an unusual sight.

jasonw666
until there is more transparency from the parents, this case can never really be properly investigated. how many parents would refuse to do a reconstruction ?. most parents would crawl over broken glass if they felt it would help find their child safely.

ireadsun
i would never leave my kids in their own ,in a evening ,in a bed when i am out ,in foreign country ..that all

mann21
if what he says is true then the witness who said she saw a man carrying a young child away is wrong,so what can you make of that.If only there was something to go on that was sound.

from the Sun:
For Kate and Gerry that reinvestigation could hold the key to them being reunited with Madeleine — or at least having the comfort of knowing what happened to her.

But I thought she was being held by a paedophile gang in a lawless village! After five years of that - is that going to be a comfort to know?

If she is with a family who fell instantly in love with her, kidnapped her and she now looks like the latest picture - a serene schoolgirl.
I'd leave her where she is - it'd certainly be a greater comfort to me.

Latest comment:

The McCanns vow to continue search for daughter
Dont they mean they will continue to allow others to search for her
,,,,,,,,,,,,They wont find her sat at home will they ???? No ..They
need to get out there and look and not leave it to others

and a couple more

fxmaster
They were in the wrong by leaving her alone and they want our sympathy, i know it's sad what has happened but if they hadn't of left her alone none of this would of happened and the most shocking thing is i bet they was watched for the duration of the holiday and it probably wasn't the first time they left there kids alone, also i bet if they got all the cctv from the place and look for people looking suspicious that would give them clues.

tell the truth
Is this going to go on all bank holiday weekend? Stuck down the bottom of the page, fooling no one. There is no transparency only laboured spin that couldn't be more obvious. As someone who contributed to the fund I amongst many would like transparency.

Look at you
The McCanns vow to continue search for daughter
Dont they mean they will continue to allow others to search for her ,,,,,,,,,,,,They wont find her sat at home will they ???? No ..They need to get out there and look and not leave it to others