Re: McCanns 'no show

by woodforthetrees 18.12.14 14:11

The loss of the libel trail will have the following effects on the McCanns and others:

1) The McCanns will lose out on £1m cash they had hoped for
2) Amaral will be able to openly publish and sell his book worldwide
3) The number of anti-McCanns will increase upon reading it
4) The media will have a field day by printing snippets from his book and serialising it, thus continuing the McCann story cash cow
5) The police and various gvt departments can expand/justify their existence and budgets by having ' independent reviews' and 'new lines of investigation'

The loss of the libel trail will NOT have the following effects on the McCanns and others:

1) The McCanns will still not be suspects
2) Neither will the tapas 7
3) SY will not change tactic/angle on their investigation

by secrets and lies 18.12.14 21:42

Regardless of Blacksmith's credibility in his ravings on all things McCann, it does seem apparent that they failed to supply "a single shred of injuction evidence" over a period of 5 years, to the court.

But how could that be?

We cannot have our cake and eat it. If the McCanns are "protected" by the establishment, as we believe they are, surely some witnesses and evidence could have been rustled up to support their case. Even if the whole libel trial serves only as "background noise" to keep the dubious duo in the papers and to reinforce the notion of their victimhood, you would think that they would still want to win.

If they can pay pay for shills and social media monitoring then surely they can find a psychologist to testify to the dreadful PTSD that they and their remaining children are suffering as a result of the terrible hypothesis of Mr. Amaral. Or does it still hinge on "the hampering of the search for Maddie", as it initially did?

With this case, there always seems to be a bigger picture. "A wider agenda".

I believe they will loose this trial, but surely not without even a fight? That does not make sense. They are either running the show or they ain't.

by secrets and lies 18.12.14 21:50

woodforthetrees, in relation to the media printing snippets from the book if it is published internationally upon the collapse of the trial, I would not be so sure.

Many people seem to feel that their is some type of superinjunction in place already, and that fair and broadly informative reporting of this case are taboo.

by Snifferdog 19.12.14 7:30

woodforthetrees wrote:
j.rob wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:I'll ask again, how CAN a 'missing' person, even 'file' a 'writ'?

Unless, of course, the 'claimants' actually know, KNOW, the included 'missing' person, on the 'writ', is, in fact, NOT 'missing' at all but 'squirreled' away 'somewhere' SAFE AND SOUND, TOTALLY 'UNHARMED'.

To be er, umm, suddenly 'discovered, REVEALED', after a possible favourable 'outcome' from a court 'case'.

That would be possible 'fraud' but, hey ho, give it a 'go'!

Are you suggesting that Madeleine could possibly still be alive, then? What about the cadaver sniffer dogs findings?

Unfortunately j.rob, if you ask any of the McCanns legal team, they will confidently tell you that the dogs quite rightly identified cadaver, but can not tell who the cadaver is from, therefore it cannot be used in court, it can only be used to assist the investigation.

Based on that, the McCanns can continue to say that the cadaver is not Madeleine, she is still alive and missing and continue cashing in, regardless of the fact that they have been informed that she is most likely deceased by almost everyone, right from the start (e.g when they issued the photo of her eye to the media!)

Woodforthetrees, then the McCann legal team would surely be well aware of the FACT that murderers have been convicted using Sniffer dog evidence, It has already been established that no one has died in apartment 5a prior to the McCanns stay there in April May 2007 - or - in the boot of the hire car... nod

by j.rob 19.12.14 13:57

woodforthetrees wrote:The loss of the libel trail will have the following effects on the McCanns and others:

1) The McCanns will lose out on £1m cash they had hoped for
2) Amaral will be able to openly publish and sell his book worldwide
3) The number of anti-McCanns will increase upon reading it
4) The media will have a field day by printing snippets from his book and serialising it, thus continuing the McCann story cash cow
5) The police and various gvt departments can expand/justify their existence and budgets by having ' independent reviews' and 'new lines of investigation'

The loss of the libel trail will NOT have the following effects on the McCanns and others:

1) The McCanns will still not be suspects
2) Neither will the tapas 7
3) SY will not change tactic/angle on their investigation

1, 2 and 3 in the first list are all good and to be welcomed. Especially the McCanns losing out on £1 million. That really will hurt them in the only place that is close to their hearts - their wallets.

1, 2 and 3 in the second list are deeply frustrating although probably true. It's just so scandalous that the McCanns and their acolytes have got away with this for so long.

They really are repugnant people.

4 and 5 may well be true. I wonder how interested the general public are now in this case? I get the impression people are quite bored by it.

by woodforthetrees 19.12.14 14:53

"Woodforthetrees, then the McCann legal team would surely be well aware of the FACT that murderers have been convicted using Sniffer dog evidence, It has already been established that no one has died in apartment 5a prior to the McCanns stay there in April May 2007 - or - in the boot of the hire car... [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]"

.... when put together with other corroborating evidence, not solely on the fact a dog smelt cadaver.

It was established that they weren't AWARE that anybody died in the apartment, but because there is no written record of someone having died in there, it doesn't mean to say nobody did.

Same with the car and that's what their lawyers will argue.

by woodforthetrees 19.12.14 14:58

j.rob wrote:
woodforthetrees wrote:The loss of the libel trail will have the following effects on the McCanns and others:

1) The McCanns will lose out on £1m cash they had hoped for
2) Amaral will be able to openly publish and sell his book worldwide
3) The number of anti-McCanns will increase upon reading it
4) The media will have a field day by printing snippets from his book and serialising it, thus continuing the McCann story cash cow
5) The police and various gvt departments can expand/justify their existence and budgets by having ' independent reviews' and 'new lines of investigation'

The loss of the libel trail will NOT have the following effects on the McCanns and others:

1) The McCanns will still not be suspects
2) Neither will the tapas 7
3) SY will not change tactic/angle on their investigation
1, 2 and 3 in the first list are all good and to be welcomed. Especially the McCanns losing out on £1 million. That really will hurt them in the only place that is close to their hearts - their wallets.

1, 2 and 3 in the second list are deeply frustrating although probably true. It's just so scandalous that the McCanns and their acolytes have got away with this for so long.

They really are repugnant people.

4 and 5 may well be true. I wonder how interested the general public are now in this case? I get the impression people are quite bored by it.

Yes i agree, the second list are frustrating, but i see no change and based on the events of the last year and the fact that not one of the McCanns or tapas are even being considered to be questioned, then that's what it is.

It is scandalous what the McCanns have got away with, whether that be the cover up of the neglectful child care, or something more sinister (which is not being considered by SY).

Most of the public are truly bored of it by now, but i suspect what will happen if they lose the case is that there will be a surge in anti's and thus the McCanns will dissappear into the distance, as will Mitchell

by plebgate 19.12.14 15:28

woodforthetrees wrote:"Woodforthetrees, then the McCann legal team would surely be well aware of the FACT that murderers have been convicted using Sniffer dog evidence, It has already been established that no one has died in apartment 5a prior to the McCanns stay there in April May 2007 - or - in the boot of the hire car... [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]"

.... when put together with other corroborating evidence, not solely on the fact a dog smelt cadaver.

It was established that they weren't AWARE that anybody died in the apartment, but because there is no written record of someone having died in there, it doesn't mean to say nobody did.

Same with the car and that's what their lawyers will argue.

what argument will the lawyers use re. the trousers and t-shirt I wonder?

by j.rob 19.12.14 16:39

Yes i agree, the second list are frustrating, but i see no change and based on the events of the last year and the fact that not one of the McCanns or tapas are even being considered to be questioned, then that's what it is.

It is scandalous what the McCanns have got away with, whether that be the cover up of the neglectful child care, or something more sinister (which is not being considered by SY).

Most of the public are truly bored of it by now, but i suspect what will happen if they lose the case is that there will be a surge in anti's and thus the McCanns will dissappear into the distance, as will Mitchell

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The only things that give me any grounds at all for optimism is that SY are interviewing people who were on or near the scene. Some of them people who would have seen the McCanns and Tapas. Some of them people probably known to the McScams. This surely points the investigation much closer to MsScams?

Are SY finding out what they know? Surely if any of them knew anything about the involvement of the McCanns and Tapas in Madeleine's disappearance, they would throw them to the wolves to protect their own necks?

If any of the people police are interviewing know what really happened, or even helped in some way - wittingly or otherwise - or had seen or heard anything suspicious (and I am sure some of them know a lot - eg: Murat) then police are going to get a much clearer picture of events of that week. One which will point increasingly towards McCanns and Tapas.

Of course, this could all be part of the giant white-wash. Tie up the loose ends. Shut the mouths of those who knew about what happened, had something to do with it and/or suspicions. Get them all well and truly silenced.

Then find a dead ugly/pimple/tractor paedo-man.

Or something.

by j.rob 19.12.14 16:42

Wonder how many brown envelopes are being passed around? Given the enormity of the McScam cash cow and the obvious involvement and interference by the media - especially Sky - plus the obvious bias of Leics police towards the McCanns how can we be sure that the police too will not be milking the Madeleine cash cow?

Everyone else has.

by ScarletLaw 19.12.14 16:58

secrets and lies wrote:Regardless of Blacksmith's credibility in his ravings on all things McCann, it does seem apparent that they failed to supply "a single shred of injuction evidence" over a period of 5 years, to the court.

But how could that be?

We cannot have our cake and eat it. If the McCanns are "protected" by the establishment, as we believe they are, surely some witnesses and evidence could have been rustled up to support their case. Even if the whole libel trial serves only as "background noise" to keep the dubious duo in the papers and to reinforce the notion of their victimhood, you would think that they would still want to win.

If they can pay pay for shills and social media monitoring then surely they can find a psychologist to testify to the dreadful PTSD that they and their remaining children are suffering as a result of the terrible hypothesis of Mr. Amaral. Or does it still hinge on "the hampering of the search for Maddie", as it initially did?

With this case, there always seems to be a bigger picture. "A wider agenda".

I believe they will loose this trial, but surely not without even a fight? That does not make sense. They are either running the show or they ain't.

I'm a trained psychologist and the reason they won't see one for Post Stress is that like me they can see through their lies. Both of them in interviews never talk about their child directly and in fact do the exact opposite by talking about missing children in general or how the kidnap has affected them. It's rarely about the little girl. A classic displacement technique and not normal of parents with a missing child who very much, do the complete opposite. Kerry Needham for instance always talks about Ben as if he just stepped out of the room. Kate in particular has other issues, that I won't talk about because I don't think it's appropriate or relevant, and is the most fragile of the pair. I'm sure they've been advised to not go down the road of being assessed.

by Casey5 19.12.14 19:06

ScarletLaw wrote:I'm sure they've been advised to not go down the road of being assessed.

So, in that case, someone has assessed or observed them-maybe not clinically but could be the legal team- and they have decided to give them that advice therefore they must have an inkling that the McCanns are lying to the world.
If that's not a crime then it should be. Surely the police would be interested in the advice given and the reason for giving it?
This is, supposedly, a child's life in the balance.
How would the person involved give them that advice. Would they say "well you look right guilty in your interviews, don't for goodness sake go near a professional doctor who could evaluate you and maybe be called as a witness at the libel trial"
How can the people in the "know" and I believe Kate and Gerry's parents "know", just allow this fraud to continue?

by ScarletLaw 19.12.14 19:39

@casey I know of quite a few colleagues who've written to Grange and the Attorney general about their findings, even prominent ones. All have the standard- we'll take it into account but it's up to Scotland Yard in reply letters. The thing with Psychology is that we can all have our own interpretations and they can be very different from each other, so it's not an exact science and just taken as an opinion in court. I found out today, someone on here posted it, that Gerry sat in on Kate's interview so as a guess -I'd say it was him from stopping her talking to someone too. But the fact Clarence is strict on only certain questions are allowed in interviewing them, which never happens with missing children's parents generally, he's very aware of the damage they're capable of by not controlling their reactions. Shows that he's very aware of this problem.

by Guest 19.12.14 21:12

ScarletLaw - have you heard of Dr. Sharon Leal, a psychologist at the University of Portsmouth? She declared on national tv earlier this year that the McCanns were 100% innocent.

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by Liz Eagles 19.12.14 21:39

Here is Sandra Leal's declaration on a BBC documentary.

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That's quite a declaration!

by Guest 19.12.14 21:45

aquila wrote:Here is Sandra Leal's declaration on a BBC documentary.

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That's quite a declaration!

"The Lying Game - Crimes that Fooled Britain" (ITV).

by Liz Eagles 19.12.14 22:03

Ladyinred wrote:
aquila wrote:Here is Sandra Leal's declaration on a BBC documentary.

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That's quite a declaration!

"The Lying Game - Crimes that Fooled Britain" (ITV).

Apologies, my mistake it was ITV.

by aiyoyo 20.12.14 1:30

aquila wrote:Here is Sandra Leal's declaration on a BBC documentary.

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That's quite a declaration!

Isn't is just ! Pity K & G made a grave error not hiring her as witness for the Damage trial, depriving us the entertainment.

Pike, the phoney "psychologist", they sent was completely seen through by the Judge.
When sussed out as bogus by the Judge, he'd to admit he was not a career psychologist, but a trauma counsellor working for the Mcs.....oop objectivity can be thrown out the window straight away.

To compound his stupidity, he belatedly produced a clinical report on the Mcs, ending up having to use appeal win to oblige the Judge to accept what she deemed not useful to purpose as not submitted in useful time. Ultimately, the appeal win may not do them any fat lot of good anyway -- since certification issued not by a Qualified Medical Expert is probably not worth the ink written on given that Pike is not a psychologist.

The Mcs must have been told by Kevin/ Greenink Monster Wright what the forum world people been saying - that their mental and emotional health claims are good as bogus without the clinic certification, hence the sudden documentation done in retrospect.

by MRNOODLES 21.12.14 0:29

j.rob wrote:Wonder how many brown envelopes are being passed around? Given the enormity of the McScam cash cow and the obvious involvement and interference by the media - especially Sky - plus the obvious bias of Leics police towards the McCanns how can we be sure that the police too will not be milking the Madeleine cash cow?

Everyone else has.

Speaking from a 'non whitewash' point of view. IF a miracle occurs and the pair do get convicted. I'm sure they'll be u-turns all through the media and the whole tale will get a thorough milking anyway. It's win win for the media either way, they just erase history blame the injuction and claim they knew of their guilt all along.

just my opinion.

by tungsten tel 21.12.14 10:10

MRNOODLES wrote:
j.rob wrote:Wonder how many brown envelopes are being passed around? Given the enormity of the McScam cash cow and the obvious involvement and interference by the media - especially Sky - plus the obvious bias of Leics police towards the McCanns how can we be sure that the police too will not be milking the Madeleine cash cow?

Everyone else has.

Speaking from a 'non whitewash' point of view. IF a miracle occurs and the pair do get convicted. I'm sure they'll be u-turns all through the media and the whole tale will get a thorough milking anyway. It's win win for the media either way, they just erase history blame the injuction and claim they knew of their guilt all along.

just my opinion.

In the medias case that is probably 110% correct . They MUST know or have an idea of what has gone on . Print and get Carter/Rucked . No editor has the balls to do it .YET . Its why many posts on here end "In my opinion " . Obviously in my opinion lol

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