Police to review evidence collected from apt 5a

by Loza 14.10.14 0:42

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Forensic scientists to join British police in McCann investigation

Analysts want to re-examine evidence retrieved from apartment from which Madeleine went missing in 2007

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[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood during the search of scrubland in Praia de Luz earlier this year. Photograph: Philip Toscano/PA
A team of British forensic analysts are expected to join DCI Andy Redwood and his team of detectives in Portugal this week in a renewed bid to uncover the truth behind the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Portuguese police sources told the Guardian that the scientists have asked to revisit some of the evidence retrieved from the holiday apartment from which the British toddler went missing on 3 May 2007. The forensic evidence gathered at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance has been stored at the National Institute for Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences in Coimbra in central Portugal.
Detectives and forensic technicians from the Metropolitan police are scheduled to visit the laboratory on Wednesday.
Detectives led by Redwood will meet with their Polícia Judiciária counterparts in Faro on Tuesday to discuss the request.
Police said they had not yet received any official orders from the public prosecutor’s office and that the next phase of the investigation was unlikely to commence for at least a fortnight.
A source close to the case told the Guardian that the request appeared “to focus primarily on the further questioning of some of the suspects brought in by Faro police in the summer”.
In July, Portuguese police quizzed four Portuguese nationals who were declared arguidos, or formal suspects. They also spoke to 11 witnesses.
The questioning of these suspects followed the end of major ground-level searches in Praia da Luz in early June, when Scotland Yard detectives scoured a large patch of scrubland.
The force described the operation as the largest overseas deployment ever undertaken by British police, and said it was the “first phase of this investigation” into Madeleine’s disappearance.
Although the searches turned up no fresh evidence, the Met said detectives had gained an “essential understanding of the activity for which people have used this piece of land” and alluded to “substantial work which is yet to be done in the coming months”.

by jeanmonroe 14.10.14 0:49

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Stop apologising Loza......... airkiss

There are some sharp 'cookies' in this forum that post as quickly as they can.........in case the 'article' is 'whooshed'.

it dosen't matter how many times links to the 'article' are posted'

As long as it is!

So keep up the good 'work'.................. roses

by MoonGoddess 14.10.14 1:19

"Portuguese police sources told the Guardian that the scientists have asked to revisit some of the evidence retrieved from the holiday apartment ..."

How about starting with this...

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by canada12 14.10.14 1:22

MoonGoddess wrote:"Portuguese police sources told the Guardian that the scientists have asked to revisit some of the evidence retrieved from the holiday apartment ..."

How about starting with this...

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Or Eddie and Keela's contributions....

by Loza 14.10.14 1:43

jeanmonroe wrote:
Loza wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Don't know if this has already been posted.. Sorry if it has.

Stop apologising Loza.........

There are some sharp 'cookies' in this forum that post as quickly as they can.........in case the 'article' is 'whooshed'.

it dosen't matter how many times links to the 'article' are posted'

As long as it is!

So keep up the good 'work'..................

Haha thank you roses

I have been reading on here for a while and I know yours are damn quick.. Wouldn't want to upset anyone

by Angelique 14.10.14 3:07

Loza

Hi and well done for posting this article from The Guardian.

Well, it looks like SY have finally come out from under and admitted what they are after. The evidence held by the Portugal. Let's hope they don't get it so that they can destroy the last vestiges to thwart any possible conclusion as to what happened to Madeleine. IMO this is what they have been after all this time.

by Doug D 14.10.14 4:46

Standards slipping Pinkie? Try and get your story straight:

From the Mirror:

‘Scotland Yard cops are hoping to speak with Ines Sequeira and get approval to reinterview three suspects’

‘It is thought the Operation Grange detectives may seek a meeting with her before they return to London.’

………………………………………….

New Prosecutor = New chance to try & suck up and be let in to see the PJ’s hand?

………………………………………..

And then from the Guardian:

‘A team of British forensic analysts are expected to join DCI Andy Redwood and his team of detectives in Portugal this week in a renewed bid to uncover the truth behind the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Portuguese police sources told the Guardian that the scientists have asked to revisit some of the evidence retrieved from the holiday apartment from which the British toddler went missing on 3 May 2007. The forensic evidence gathered at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance has been stored at the National Institute for Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences in Coimbra in central Portugal.

Detectives and forensic technicians from the Metropolitan police are scheduled to visit the laboratory on Wednesday.
Detectives led by Redwood will meet with their Polícia Judiciária counterparts in Faro on Tuesday to discuss the request.’

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Might I suggest the following response from Ines Sequeira:

‘Why don’t you review your own evidence? You’ve had it all in the past.
Oh, silly me, I forgot that you lost, destroyed and contaminated it all. If you think I’m going to let your bungling, beer swilling, pizza gobblers get anywhere near to our evidence you’ve got another think coming.’

And that’s the polite version.

by Seek truth 14.10.14 5:29

Don't understand, why would scientists want to look at the evidence. Isn't it all on paper?
Scientists need to read all the evidence?
Ask the dogs

by SixMillionQuid 14.10.14 6:52

Seek truth wrote:Don't understand, why would scientists want to look at the evidence. Isn't it all on paper?
Scientists need to read all the evidence?
Ask the dogs

To get a second semi-official opinion and debunk the original findings. Then we'll never hear the end of it.

by NickE 14.10.14 7:19

Seek truth wrote:Don't understand, why would scientists want to look at the evidence. Isn't it all on paper?
Scientists need to read all the evidence?
Ask the dogs

forensic practices and technology are far more advanced now than they were in 2007.

by tiny 14.10.14 7:26

I don't think any thing will come of this,if this is anything to go by-----A team of British forensic analysts ---just hope I am wrong.

by palm tree 14.10.14 7:46

Seek to destroy, or try to pin this on a could be burglar?
I hope the new prosecutor is awake.
IMO

by **sharonl** 14.10.14 7:49

"Portuguese police sources told the Guardian" Highly unlikely

A team of forensic scientists. No name?

A source close to the guardian?

Is this typical British media spin?

I am no psychic but I foresee this:

"A team of top forensic scientists (who want to remain anonymous) can now tell us that the DNA found in the McCanns apartment and hire car did not belong to Madeleine. Other tests reveal that an unknown person had in fact entered the apartment.

British police can now rule out the possibility of Madeleines' death in the apartment. This comes as eleven new suspects come under investigation. The McCanns are very pleased with the progress of British police investigation"

That's another profit making story for Clarrie and the woman who called for this review in the first place.

by Snifferdog 14.10.14 7:52

Angelique said:

Might I suggest the following response from Ines Sequeira:

‘Why don’t you review your own evidence? You’ve had it all in the past.
Oh, silly me, I forgot that you lost, destroyed and contaminated it all. If you think I’m going to let your bungling, beer swilling, pizza gobblers get anywhere near to our evidence you’ve got another think coming.’

And that’s the polite version..

&&&&&&&&&&&&&

Absopositivolutely Angelique! You took the odds out of big grin

my mouth.

by Snifferdog 14.10.14 7:59

SharonL posted:.........British police can now rule out the possibility of Madeleines' death in the apartment. This comes as eleven new suspects come under investigation. The McCanns are very pleased with the progress of British police investigation"

xxxxxxxxxxxxxx aaagh

BuT.....

They are getting desperate, aren't thinking

they?

by **PeterMac** 14.10.14 8:05

NickE wrote:
forensic practices and technology are far more advanced now than they were in 2007.

Quite so.
This is a fascinating development if true.
I would guess that certain parties had oped there was nothing in store, but now . . .

For those who doubt how long it can take, or hoe tenacious the Police can be, Wiki - Collete Aram
DNA put him in prison 25 YEARS after them murder.

by **PeterMac** 14.10.14 8:20

"Can we now see all the DNA, all the fingerprints, and all the photos showing the point of entry and exit, and proving the presence of an intruder in 5A, please "

Erm,, umm, yer 'know, there isn't any."

"Ah."

by **sharonl** 14.10.14 8:22

Snifferdog wrote:
SharonL posted:.........British police can now rule out the possibility of Madeleines' death in the apartment. This comes as eleven new suspects come under investigation. The McCanns are very pleased with the progress of British police investigation"

xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

BuT.....

They are getting desperate, aren't they?

That'll be the online campaign and the case against Goncalo Amaral winkwink

by frost 14.10.14 8:25

To be honest when the review into the case was opened I could not understand why reassessing the forensics wasn't the first thing the met did .

Instead we have had uncle Tom cobley and all under suspicion of involvement yet it appears for us looking from the outside in that the forensic evidence and re interviewing the last people to see Madeleine and all other participants in the 'holiday' have not been under the microscope .

Perhaps if they had they would have had a few million left in the coffers .

I hope the portuguese do not let the forensics out of their sight after all this is a portuguese case not a Metropolitan police case . This crime took place abroad not in the UK .

If there had not been so much interferance from the UK in the first place I truly believe this case would have been solved in 2007.

by noddy100 14.10.14 8:25

If the evidence has been stored all these years I can't see the Portuguese letting SY rubbish it now

by Guest 14.10.14 8:36

But what if SY find a tractor engine in 5A that was previously overlooked?

by Angelique 14.10.14 8:37

Apparently SY are already in Portugal but I haven't seen anything - can anyone confirm.

I think the reason they are only now trying to get at the forensic stuff, even though it has been the aim from the start, I think they found they were up against a brick wall. All this time since the start of the Review come Investigation they have been pushing the Portuguese to let them see/have sight of the evidence but they have been stalled all the way. The only reason it's taken so long is that SY has been pushing every other avenue into a corner and nullifying it. The dogs, Payne's, Gaspers etc. All dealt with except the forensics that Portugal hold. How many times have they been over to put pressure on the Portuguese to get this sorted. Maybe behind the scenes political pressure has been used. So once this is dealt with it will be game over. We can all get back into our boxes and shut up.

by Doug D 14.10.14 8:47

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by Marisa Rodrigues

Scotland Yard (SY) is expected today at the Judiciary Police headquarters in Faro for a meeting. On the table will be the next steps of the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, steps which have not yet been authorized.

The English police requested seven people to be questioned, three of which had [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in July, and that searches are done to the suspects' homes. These requests were made in the last letter rogatory - the fifth one - received in August by the Public Ministry and are awaiting the green light.

The process remains at the court in Portimão but is now in the hands of the prosecutor Inês Sequeira who left Silves to replace her colleague Magalhães e Menezes, who was transferred to the Labour court.

A change which results from the reorganization of the judicial chart and was [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. According to the British media, the detectives weave accolades to the prosecutor, whom they call “high-flying investigator” who is “utterly determined” to “shake up” the process. News that surfaced just a few days before the English detectives return to Faro.

At the meeting in Coimbra, scheduled for tomorrow, the detectives should receive the report of the analysis of the material [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the terrains of Praia da Luz, in June. Part of the vestiges had been sent to the INML [[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]] and others to the Forensic Science Laboratory of the PJ.

Scotland Yard's investigation, which has cost over EUR nine million, has constituted four arguidos [formal suspects]. The searches and excavations in Praia da Luz, last June, that promised to unravel the case, did not produce any meaningful results.

in Jornal de Notícias, paper edition, 14 Oct. 2014

Thanks to Joana. Nice red suitcase, but why carry a rubbish bin around?

by palm tree 14.10.14 9:27

@ Doug

AR is bound to know that if any suspects are in the Algarve, they'd have fled long ago (ahem). Surely that points to their suspects not being in the Algarve!
IMO

by Jamming 14.10.14 9:32

Doug D wrote:

Thanks to Joana. Nice red suitcase, but why carry a rubbish bin around?

Good spot !!

That must be where they intend to file any factual evidence the PJ has that would hinder the "investigation"

by Guest 14.10.14 9:36

Breaking news:

Lisboa has been totally inundated by heavy rains

Isn't that taking things a bit too far?

by aiyoyo 14.10.14 9:46

The process remains at the court in Portimão but is now in the hands of the prosecutor Inês Sequeira who left Silves to replace her colleague The process remains at the court in Portimão but is now in the hands of the prosecutor Inês Sequeira who left Silves to replace her colleague Magalhães e Menezes, who was transferred to the Labour court., who was transferred to the Labour court.

The one good thing that emerged out of the remapping of judiciary personnel is the change of Public Prosecutor to this case. Just anyone is better than Magalhães e Menezes, who archived the case.
Didn't the three wise judges in the Amaral's Book injunction say that the same evidence place before different Prosecutor may result in different interpretation.

Anyway, new pair of eyes is always good IMO.

by HelenMeg 14.10.14 9:53

Isn't this extremely encouraging..

They are going back to basics. Back to DNA in Apartment 5A. Must be sending a shiver up the spine of a few people. What is more they are making it quite clear that the media reports this.

How can this be bad news for anyone seeking the truth. I am buoyed.

by Rogue-a-Tory 14.10.14 9:55

Dear Snra Sequeira,

Am so sorry but I appear to have dropped all the evidence given to me down the toilet. As previously reported Portuguese food plays havoc with my digestive system so have spent most of the working day on the old looby loo. The whoops, evidence down the pan. Easily done.

Really sorry, anyway I can compensate you or put things straight please don't hesitate to ask.

Yours apologetically

DCI Andy