Police to review evidence collected from apt 5a

BlueBag wrote:How did abductor not leave fingerprints on the window?

Because he stole some of those surgical gloves that were laying around, you know, the ones we all take in abundance on our holidays...

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My edit and highlight

The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative

Finally, there also proceeded the detailed analysis of the door and of the windows of the target apartment there not being detected the existence of any clues/traces of break-in/forced entry on them.

Photos 38 to 40: Detail of the lock of the door of the apartment front entrance where the non-existence of break-in/forced entry was verified.

Photos 41 to 43: Details of the window of the bedroom from which the child disappeared where the non-existence of traces/clues of break-in/forced entry was verified.

After the examination of the inside of the apartment and despite the immediate surroundings of the referred apartment not having been preserved [protected] there proceeded the detailed observation of the exterior there not having been detected the existence of any objects/traces of forensic value and [nor] of any traces of shoe-prints in the garden area of the apartment.

However often you "review" this, I suspect it is going to remain more or less the same.
There was NO EVIDENCE of break in or out.
There was NO EVIDENCE of an intruder having sedated the children.

Can anyone remind me what was the innocent explanation for Mrs Mcc's fingerprint[s]? being found on the shutters?

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We will have to ask Clarence Mitchell to come up with the innocent explanation.

Actually, it would be easier to look at the PJ Files for an answer.

Kate McCann's fingerprints were found on the inside of the window in the children's bedroom, not on the shutters.

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I've read this idea that her fingerprints were found on the shutters before and looked for myself. It just isn't true.

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If anyone can find any other reference in the PJ files to Kate McCann's fingerprints being found on the external blinds/shutters, I would be very willing to admit that I am wrong. Otherwise I think it is a bit of a waste of time looking for an explanation for something that doesn't exist.

My mistake, I apologise ... like Gerry once said "One good thing to come out of all of this is that there is so much in the press, nobody knows what is true, and what isn't."

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aiyoyo wrote:

PeterMac wrote:

Doug D wrote:
At the meeting in Coimbra, scheduled for tomorrow, the detectives should receive the report of the analysis of the material  in the terrains of Praia da Luz, in June. Part of the vestiges had been sent to the INML and others to the Forensic Science Laboratory of the PJ.

That might be interesting.  Were we ever told that anything had been found and sent for analysis ?

Vestiges   = remnants.  As in soil ?


What or where is INML ?  Anyone ?

Institute of Legal Medicine

The Instituto Nacional de Medicina Legal, I.P. (National Legal Medicine Institute) is a Portuguese government-owned organization under direct supervision of the Portuguese Ministry of the Justice, which provides forensic science services to the police forces and government agencies of Portugal. The national headquarters of the Instituto Nacional de Medicina Legal are in Coimbra. Its main general branches are located in Coimbra, Lisbon and Porto, and are linked with the legal medicine departments at the University of Coimbra, University of Lisbon and University of Porto.

The institute has laboratories throughout the country, and provides scene-of-crime and forensic investigation staff. Its principal functions are to provide forensic pathology and related scientific services, clinical forensic medicine services, teaching and research.

BlueBag wrote:How did abductor not leave fingerprints on the window?

Iirc Didn't both GM & DW claim to have tested the shutters after the alarm, where are their fingerprints?

Iirc the Portuguese police found an abductors
Kate McCanns hand print on the window. Does that count?

BlueBag wrote:How did abductor not leave fingerprints on the window?

What 'abductor'?

Taken from Joana's blog:


by Marisa Rodrigues

Scotland Yard (SY) is expected today at the Judiciary Police headquarters in Faro for a meeting. On the table will be the next steps of the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, steps which have not yet been authorized.

The English police requested seven people to be questioned, three of which had already been questioned in July, and that searches are done to the suspects' homes. These requests were made in the last letter rogatory - the fifth one - received in August by the Public Ministry and are awaiting the green light.

The process remains at the court in Portimão but is now in the hands of the prosecutor Inês Sequeira who left Silves to replace her colleague Magalhães e Menezes, who was transferred to the Labour court.

A change which results from the reorganization of the judicial chart and was seized by SY to exert pressure on the magistrate. According to the British media, the detectives gave accolades to the prosecutor, whom they call “high-flying investigator” who is “utterly determined” to “shake up” the process. News that surfaced just a few days before the English detectives returned to Faro.

At the meeting in Coimbra, scheduled for tomorrow, the detectives should receive the report of the analysis of the material found during the searches and excavations in the terrains of Praia da Luz, in June. Part of the vestiges had been sent to the INML [Instituto Nacional de Medicina Legal] and others to the Forensic Science Laboratory of the PJ.

Scotland Yard's investigation, which has cost over EUR nine million, has ​​constituted four arguidos [formal suspects]. The searches and excavations in Praia da Luz, last June, that promised to unravel the case, did not produce any meaningful results.

in Jornal de Notícias, paper edition, 14 Oct. 2014

Doug D wrote:Standards slipping Pinkie? Try and get your story straight:

From the Mirror:

‘Scotland Yard cops are hoping to speak with Ines Sequeira and get approval to reinterview three suspects’
 
‘It is thought the Operation Grange detectives may seek a meeting with her before they return to London.’
 
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New Prosecutor = New chance to try & suck up and be let in to see the PJ’s hand?
 
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And then from the Guardian:
 
‘A team of British forensic analysts are expected to join DCI Andy Redwood and his team of detectives in Portugal this week in a renewed bid to uncover the truth behind the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
 
Portuguese police sources told the Guardian that the scientists have asked to revisit some of the evidence retrieved from the holiday apartment from which the British toddler went missing on 3 May 2007. The forensic evidence gathered at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance has been stored at the National Institute for Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences in Coimbra in central Portugal.

Detectives and forensic technicians from the Metropolitan police are scheduled to visit the laboratory on Wednesday.
Detectives led by Redwood will meet with their Polícia Judiciária counterparts in Faro on Tuesday to discuss the request.’
 
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Might I suggest the following response from Ines Sequeira:
 
‘Why don’t you review your own evidence? You’ve had it all in the past.
Oh, silly me, I forgot that you lost, destroyed and contaminated it all. If you think I’m going to let your bungling, beer swilling, pizza gobblers get anywhere  near to our evidence you’ve got another think coming.’
 
And that’s the polite version.

I burst out laughing at that sentence.  

I'm sure that'd make Andy choke on his next slice of 16 inch Seafood Special ... with extra anchovies.

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Is that Andy playing peek-a-boo with the cameraman?


I bet that young girl in the background is wondering why that geezer in the front isn't wearing a tie.

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Startling photo emerges of Jane Tanner getting in some practise 'painting the town red' in PdL in May 2007.

This case has GOT to be wrapped up once and for all - one way or another. Otherwise the PJ will surely have to release another disc of files. 

And they might just be a whole lot more interesting than the first batch.

jeanmonroe wrote:Well, it IS 'pantomime' season, (with OG in Portugal, at least!) after all, isn't it?.
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"Behind you! , Andy, she's BEHIINNNDDDDD you!

"Madeleine McCann's BEHIND YOU!

Sure! But what's JT doing right behind her at the check-in desk?

Portia wrote:

jeanmonroe wrote:Well, it IS 'pantomime' season, (with OG in Portugal, at least!) after all, isn't it?.
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"Behind you! , Andy, she's BEHIINNNDDDDD you!

"Madeleine McCann's BEHIND YOU!

Sure! But what's JT doing right behind her at the check-in desk?

She's arrived for a reconstruction of course

HelenMeg wrote:

Portia wrote:

jeanmonroe wrote:Well, it IS 'pantomime' season, (with OG in Portugal, at least!) after all, isn't it?.
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"Behind you! , Andy, she's BEHIINNNDDDDD you!

"Madeleine McCann's BEHIND YOU!

Sure! But what's JT doing right behind her at the check-in desk?

She's arrived for a reconstruction of course

How stupid of me!
But where's the old handcuffs?

Portia wrote:

HelenMeg wrote:

Portia wrote:

jeanmonroe wrote:Well, it IS 'pantomime' season, (with OG in Portugal, at least!) after all, isn't it?.
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"Behind you! , Andy, she's BEHIINNNDDDDD you!

"Madeleine McCann's BEHIND YOU!

Sure! But what's JT doing right behind her at the check-in desk?

She's arrived for a reconstruction of course

How stupid of me!
But where's the old handcuffs?

Wish I could do speech bubbles on this picture
(girl/Maddie) = tut tut tut and you call yourselves detectives, what is you were told about IN PLAIN SIGHT? or is that plain suit

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Cop 1: "Ok chaps, we'll go for a quick pizz(a), then go and inspect those forensics"

AR: "Ok, but i hate them foreign cars, all left hand steering and that"

Cop1 & 2:  :wtf2: ?

AR: "Anyway, why we gotta inspect forensics? The McCanns only hired one, didn't they?"

Cop 2: "Andy? ANDY?"

AR:

Cop1: "FOR-ENSICS, guv, NOT..... FOUR-SCENICS!"

AR: "Oh, ahhh! GOT it! I thought it was well weird, them Portuguese cops squeezing four cars into a laboratory"

Cops 1&2: "Come on guv, nobody heard you, not even wee Maddie, standing behind you. Let's pre-order our duty frees and look forward to your retirement bash"

AR: "Oh, you guys! Nobody did hear me, right?"

Cops1&2: "Come on guv"

AR: "Patsty, anyone?"

Portia wrote:

jeanmonroe wrote:Well, it IS 'pantomime' season, (with OG in Portugal, at least!) after all, isn't it?.
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"Behind you! , Andy, she's BEHIINNNDDDDD you!

"Madeleine McCann's BEHIND YOU!

Sure! But what's JT doing right behind her at the check-in desk?

She is on her way home after she has visited Mr. Murat.

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Cop 1: "Ok chaps, we'll go for a quick pizz(a), then go and inspect those forensics"

AR: "Ok, but i hate them foreign cars, all left hand steering and that"

Cop1 & 2:  :wtf2: ?

AR: "Anyway, why we gotta inspect forensics? The McCanns only hired one, didn't they?"

Cop 2: "Andy? ANDY?"

AR:

Cop1: "FOR-ENSICS, guv, NOT..... FOUR-SCENICS!"

AR: "Oh, ahhh! GOT it! I thought it was well weird, them Portuguese cops squeezing four cars into a laboratory"

Cops 1&2: "Come on guv, nobody heard you, not even wee Maddie, standing behind you. Let's pre-order our duty frees and look forward to your retirement bash"

AR: "Oh, you guys! Nobody did hear me, right?"

Cops1&2: "Come on guv"

AR: "Patsty, anyone?"

Jeezus, jean. I thought I was bad for photo comments!

This is ace.

Take a bow ..... and keep them coming.        

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Cop 1: "Ok chaps, we'll go for a quick pizz(a), then go and inspect those forensics"

AR: "Ok, but i hate them foreign cars, all left hand steering and that"

Cop1 & 2:  :wtf2: ?

AR: "Anyway, why we gotta inspect forensics? The McCanns only hired one, didn't they?"

Cop 2: "Andy? ANDY?"

AR:

Cop1: "FOR-ENSICS, guv, NOT..... FOUR-SCENICS!"

AR: "Oh, ahhh! GOT it! I thought it was well weird, them Portuguese cops squeezing four cars into a laboratory"

Cops 1&2: "Come on guv, nobody heard you, not even wee Maddie, standing behind you. Let's pre-order our duty frees and look forward to your retirement bash"

AR: "Oh, you guys! Nobody did hear me, right?"

Cops1&2: "Come on guv"

AR: "Patsty, anyone?"

Jeezus, jean. I thought I was bad for photo comments!

This is ace.

Take a bow ..... and keep them coming.        

Or a courtesy ? Jean   

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"Act casual and not suspicious cos some idiot has forgotten to photoshop the legs of that bloke on the right"

Act casual! says the bloke with the stonking red bag!!! How can I act casual when I am carrying this bin around with me?

The geezer with no 'legs' has formally been identified, by OG officers, as 'HALF-IE' TANNERMAN.

"What's it all about,.... HALFIE?"

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"Act casual and not suspicious cos some idiot has forgotten to photoshop the legs of that bloke on the right"

or, AR - "good job lads, keep looking the other way whilst the main culprit legs it"

"Don't worry guv he ain't got a leg to stand on, and he won't get far, cos he legless"!

Does that mean he aint got a leg to stand on? if so, lets knabb him he can be our next patsy

PeterMac wrote:

Doug D wrote:
At the meeting in Coimbra, scheduled for tomorrow, the detectives should receive the report of the analysis of the material  in the terrains of Praia da Luz, in June. Part of the vestiges had been sent to the INML and others to the Forensic Science Laboratory of the PJ.

That might be interesting.  Were we ever told that anything had been found and sent for analysis ?

I seem to remember there were things sent off but l could only find this page which hints at it:

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"Digging around a pit discovered on the wasteland appears to have stopped for the time being while forensic experts analyse evidence taken from inside.
Local reports suggested ‘non organic’ material had been found, possibly an adult male’s sock."

I've always thought they were onto something then, remember SY's famous quote when the search finished searching that wasteland:
"However it has given us an essential understanding of the activity on – and people that have used – this piece of land"

That comment always struck me, You wouldn't make a comment like that unless you were wanting to send a message to someone IMO, anything other than tying Madeleine or the tapas group to that site is worthless isn't it??

Btw I was on holiday when these searches took place, in the link above it's got some wonderful dogs searching too, just like Eddie and Keela!

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"Act casual and not suspicious cos some idiot has forgotten to photoshop the legs of that bloke on the right"

or, AR - "good job lads, keep looking the other way whilst the main culprit legs it"

Not so fast Mr Pistorius !!!!!

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Is that Andy playing peek-a-boo with the cameraman?


I bet that young girl in the background is wondering why that geezer in the front isn't wearing a tie.

Is that Madeleine in the background?

One tooth brush?? FFS -
oh well if its good enough for the McCann family I guess I can muddle through... Bagsy I use it first