Re: Police to review evidence collected from apt 5a

by Rogue-a-Tory 14.10.14 9:58

HelenMeg wrote:Isn't this extremely encouraging..

They are going back to basics. Back to DNA in Apartment 5A. Must be sending a shiver up the spine of a few people. What is more they are making it quite clear that the media reports this.

How can this be bad news for anyone seeking the truth. I am buoyed.

Back to basics so they can rubbish the haphazard and slapdash harvesting methods used by the PJ and, whoops, there's no reliable crimescene evidence to comment on.

by HelenMeg 14.10.14 9:59

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Dear Snra Sequeira,

Am so sorry but I appear to have dropped all the evidence given to me down the toilet. As previously reported Portuguese food plays havoc with my digestive system so have spent most of the working day on the old looby loo. The whoops, evidence down the pan. Easily done.

Really sorry, anyway I can compensate you or put things straight please don't hesitate to ask.

Yours apologetically

DCI Andy

Lol

But I am quietly buoyed today at friends

this news

by HelenMeg 14.10.14 10:03

Rogue-a-Tory wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:Isn't this extremely encouraging..

They are going back to basics. Back to DNA in Apartment 5A. Must be sending a shiver up the spine of a few people. What is more they are making it quite clear that the media reports this.

How can this be bad news for anyone seeking the truth. I am buoyed.
Back to basics so they can rubbish the haphazard and slapdash harvesting methods used by the PJ and, whoops, there's no reliable crimescene evidence to comment on.

Dont agree - not at this stage - a year ago - yes!

by Rogue-a-Tory 14.10.14 10:03

HelenMeg wrote:
Rogue-a-Tory wrote:Dear Snra Sequeira,

Am so sorry but I appear to have dropped all the evidence given to me down the toilet. As previously reported Portuguese food plays havoc with my digestive system so have spent most of the working day on the old looby loo. The whoops, evidence down the pan. Easily done.

Really sorry, anyway I can compensate you or put things straight please don't hesitate to ask.

Yours apologetically

DCI Andy
Lol

But I am quietly buoyed today at this news

Really hope you're right.

by HelenMeg 14.10.14 10:06

Really hope you're wrong!! In the nicest possible way roses

I just feel like being optimistic today

by Rogue-a-Tory 14.10.14 10:10

HelenMeg wrote:Really hope you're wrong!! In the nicest possible way

I just feel like being optimistic today

Hoping I'm wrong too. big grin

by noddy100 14.10.14 10:11

I think they would only seek to rubbish it if the had a credible
alternative to run with once they had ruled out the iniital evidence.
They are not saying We have to go back and show that this initial DNA was
not relevant they are going back to it after exhausting all else.
The new female prosecutor may well scupper this

by Snifferdog 14.10.14 10:14

BlueBag wrote:But what if SY find a tractor engine in 5A that was previously overlooked?

Droll

:hysterical:Love it! rotfl

by **PeterMac** 14.10.14 10:21

Doug D wrote:
At the meeting in Coimbra, scheduled for tomorrow, the detectives should receive the report of the analysis of the material in the terrains of Praia da Luz, in June. Part of the vestiges had been sent to the INML and others to the Forensic Science Laboratory of the PJ.

That might be interesting. Were we ever told that anything had been found and sent for analysis ?

by jeanmonroe 14.10.14 10:30

PeterMac wrote:
Doug D wrote:
At the meeting in Coimbra, scheduled for tomorrow, the detectives should receive the report of the analysis of the material in the terrains of Praia da Luz, in June. Part of the vestiges had been sent to the INML and others to the Forensic Science Laboratory of the PJ.

That might be interesting. Were we ever told that anything had been found and sent for analysis ?

Part of the vestiges had been sent to the INML and others to the Forensic Science Laboratory of the PJ.

Isn't that where the PJ sent the tests for 'possibly a sedative' from the 'twins'?

When KM was saying 'why didn't the PJ TEST the twins' (that night)?

But the PJ HAD sent off samples (from twins) to 'somewhere' (that night)

by Snifferdog 14.10.14 10:31

Angelique wrote:Apparently SY are already in Portugal but I haven't seen anything - can anyone confirm.

I think the reason they are only now trying to get at the forensic stuff, even though it has been the aim from the start, I think they found they were up against a brick wall. All this time since the start of the Review come Investigation they have been pushing the Portuguese to let them see/have sight of the evidence but they have been stalled all the way. The only reason it's taken so long is that SY has been pushing every other avenue into a corner and nullifying it. The dogs, Payne's, Gaspers etc. All dealt with except the forensics that Portugal hold. How many times have they been over to put pressure on the Portuguese to get this sorted. Maybe behind the scenes political pressure has been used. So once this is dealt with it will be game over. We can all get back into our boxes and shut up.

I don't blame the Portuguese for not handing over Anything to SY. They may just "lose" all the evidence.

What still strikes me as really WEIRD in this case is the info being dribbled out to the public by SY, and that the pink link who seems to know a lot, hasn't been taken in for some questioning yet. Perhaps I'm just used to investigations being carried out more or less silently by the police without reporting back to the public.

The Mccann affair comes across as some sick soapy being played out to manipulate the public imo.

by Snifferdog 14.10.14 10:34

jeanmonroe wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
Doug D wrote:
At the meeting in Coimbra, scheduled for tomorrow, the detectives should receive the report of the analysis of the material in the terrains of Praia da Luz, in June. Part of the vestiges had been sent to the INML and others to the Forensic Science Laboratory of the PJ.

That might be interesting. Were we ever told that anything had been found and sent for analysis ?

Part of the vestiges had been sent to the INML and others to the Forensic Science Laboratory of the PJ.

Isn't that where the PJ sent the tests for 'possibly a sedative' from the 'twins'?

When KM was saying 'why didn't the PJ TEST the twins' (that night)?

But the PJ HAD sent off samples (from twins) to 'somewhere' (that night)

Interesting. So bumping up to new page.

by **PeterMac** 14.10.14 10:37

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My edit and highlight

The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative

Finally, there also proceeded the detailed analysis of the door and of the windows of the target apartment there not being detected the existence of any clues/traces of break-in/forced entry on them.

Photos 38 to 40: Detail of the lock of the door of the apartment front entrance where the non-existence of break-in/forced entry was verified.

Photos 41 to 43: Details of the window of the bedroom from which the child disappeared where the non-existence of traces/clues of break-in/forced entry was verified.

After the examination of the inside of the apartment and despite the immediate surroundings of the referred apartment not having been preserved [protected] there proceeded the detailed observation of the exterior there not having been detected the existence of any objects/traces of forensic value and [nor] of any traces of shoe-prints in the garden area of the apartment.

However often you "review" this, I suspect it is going to remain more or less the same.
There was NO EVIDENCE of break in or out.
There was NO EVIDENCE of an intruder having sedated the children.

by NickE 14.10.14 10:46

British detectives return in search for Madeleine
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British detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have arrived in the Algarve for another routine meeting with the Policia Judiciaria in Faro.

This is the first time detectives from Scotland Yard have returned to the Algarve since sitting in on the questioning of four suspects at the beginning of July.

Following today’s scheduled meeting with regional police Chief Mota Carmo, detectives will head to the National Institute for Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences in Coimbra in central Portugal.

It is expected that they will be reviewing some of the evidence retrieved from the apartment from where Madeleine went missing in 2007.
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by woodforthetrees 14.10.14 10:49

Ok, correct me if i am wrong here, but hasn't there been a team of UK police working from within the PJ offices since 2011?

If so, what have they been doing and why does it take a team from OG to fly out to review forensic evidence??? This is all for show.

I suspect that this is not actually to review the DNA etc from the apartment, that bit will be media BS, it will be merely to discuss the findings from anything they found in their last search, in which case it'll be more like.....

AR: "So sardine boys, whats the results?"

PJ/forensics: "Well, as we told you on the phone last month, there is zero evidence of anything from the fruitless search. The sock was...err, just a sock and the nappy was only 2 weeks old and would be Madeleine's anyway as she was too old for nappies at the time. What else do you want us to say? Your trip has been a waste of time, we told you not to come you bumbling fool"

AR: "Ok. Lads, lets wrap this up, Policeman A, tell the media that all leads unfortunately ran dry and there's nothing else we can do. Policeman B, get the pizzas ordered in that nice cafe on the front, we'll be down in an hour. Policeman C, get HR on the phone so i can finalise my retirement for next month, just before Amarals trial. I'm a celebrity... get me out of here"

by HelenMeg 14.10.14 10:51

AR: "Ok. Lads, lets wrap this up, Policeman A, tell the media that all leads unfortunately ran dry and there's nothing else we can do. Policeman B, get the pizzas ordered in that nice cafe on the front, we'll be down in an hour. Policeman C, get HR on the phone so i can finalise my retirement for next month, just before Amarals trial. I'm a celebrity... get me out of here"

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big grin

by jeanmonroe 14.10.14 11:01

Well, it IS 'pantomime' season, (with OG in Portugal, at least!) after all, isn't it?.
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"Behind you! , Andy, she's BEHIINNNDDDDD you!

"Madeleine McCann's BEHIND YOU!

by Snifferdog 14.10.14 11:02

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My edit and highlight
The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative

Finally, there also proceeded the detailed analysis of the door and of the windows of the target apartment there not being detected the existence of any clues/traces of break-in/forced entry on them.

Photos 38 to 40: Detail of the lock of the door of the apartment front entrance where the non-existence of break-in/forced entry was verified.

Photos 41 to 43: Details of the window of the bedroom from which the child disappeared where the non-existence of traces/clues of break-in/forced entry was verified.

After the examination of the inside of the apartment and despite the immediate surroundings of the referred apartment not having been preserved [protected] there proceeded the detailed observation of the exterior there not having been detected the existence of any objects/traces of forensic value and [nor] of any traces of shoe-prints in the garden area of the apartment.

However often you "review" this, I suspect it is going to remain more of less the same.
There was NO EVIDENCE of break in or out.
There was NO EVIDENCE of an intruder having sedated the children.

Therefore SY cannot take any further meaningful steps with the review, until they fix their microscope on the parents, their spokesman, and associates.

by Snifferdog 14.10.14 11:04

jeanmonroe wrote:Well, it IS 'pantomime' season, after all, isn't it?.
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"Behind you! , Andy, she's BEHIINNNDDDDD you!

"Madeleine McCann's BEHIND YOU!

Ah yes! There she is, in the background to the left!!! Quick someone, phone Sky News or The Sun!

by palm tree 14.10.14 11:11

Snifferdog wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:Well, it IS 'pantomime' season, after all, isn't it?.
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"Behind you! , Andy, she's BEHIINNNDDDDD you!

"Madeleine McCann's BEHIND YOU!

Ah yes! There she is, in the background to the left!!! Quick someone, phone Sky News or The Sun!

Brilliant, sometimes I need this!

by Snifferdog 14.10.14 11:18

Jeanmonroe, you truly have an eye for, and the Gift of the Gab! If you ever write a book, I would be the first in the queue to buy it!

by Rogue-a-Tory 14.10.14 11:46

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''Think I just did it'

'Did what?'

'Concealed that blue sports bag with that bin'

by HelenMeg 14.10.14 11:49

I bet even old Andy and Bernard will have a little chortle at this thread.

by jeanmonroe 14.10.14 11:53

HelenMeg wrote:I bet even old Andy and Bernard will have a little chortle at this thread.

We aim to PLEASE! winkwink

by MoonGoddess 14.10.14 12:18

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My edit and highlight
The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative

Finally, there also proceeded the detailed analysis of the door and of the windows of the target apartment there not being detected the existence of any clues/traces of break-in/forced entry on them.

Photos 38 to 40: Detail of the lock of the door of the apartment front entrance where the non-existence of break-in/forced entry was verified.

Photos 41 to 43: Details of the window of the bedroom from which the child disappeared where the non-existence of traces/clues of break-in/forced entry was verified.

After the examination of the inside of the apartment and despite the immediate surroundings of the referred apartment not having been preserved [protected] there proceeded the detailed observation of the exterior there not having been detected the existence of any objects/traces of forensic value and [nor] of any traces of shoe-prints in the garden area of the apartment.

However often you "review" this, I suspect it is going to remain more or less the same.
There was NO EVIDENCE of break in or out.
There was NO EVIDENCE of an intruder having sedated the children.

Can anyone remind me what was the innocent explanation for Mrs Mcc's fingerprint[s]? being found on the shutters?

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by aiyoyo 14.10.14 12:42

MoonGoddess wrote:
PeterMac wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

My edit and highlight
The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative

Finally, there also proceeded the detailed analysis of the door and of the windows of the target apartment there not being detected the existence of any clues/traces of break-in/forced entry on them.

Photos 38 to 40: Detail of the lock of the door of the apartment front entrance where the non-existence of break-in/forced entry was verified.

Photos 41 to 43: Details of the window of the bedroom from which the child disappeared where the non-existence of traces/clues of break-in/forced entry was verified.

After the examination of the inside of the apartment and despite the immediate surroundings of the referred apartment not having been preserved [protected] there proceeded the detailed observation of the exterior there not having been detected the existence of any objects/traces of forensic value and [nor] of any traces of shoe-prints in the garden area of the apartment.

However often you "review" this, I suspect it is going to remain more or less the same.
There was NO EVIDENCE of break in or out.
There was NO EVIDENCE of an intruder having sedated the children.

Can anyone remind me what was the innocent explanation for Mrs Mcc's fingerprint[s]? being found on the shutters?

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We will have to ask Clarence Mitchell to come up with the innocent explanation.

by aiyoyo 14.10.14 12:44

PeterMac wrote:
Doug D wrote:
At the meeting in Coimbra, scheduled for tomorrow, the detectives should receive the report of the analysis of the material in the terrains of Praia da Luz, in June. Part of the vestiges had been sent to the INML and others to the Forensic Science Laboratory of the PJ.

That might be interesting. Were we ever told that anything had been found and sent for analysis ?

Vestiges = remnants. As in soil ?

What or where is INML ? Anyone ?

by sallypelt 14.10.14 12:55

aiyoyo wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
Doug D wrote:
At the meeting in Coimbra, scheduled for tomorrow, the detectives should receive the report of the analysis of the material in the terrains of Praia da Luz, in June. Part of the vestiges had been sent to the INML and others to the Forensic Science Laboratory of the PJ.

That might be interesting. Were we ever told that anything had been found and sent for analysis ?

Vestiges = remnants. As in soil ?

What or where is INML ? Anyone ?

Institute of Legal Medicine

by Ristretto 14.10.14 13:00

aiyoyo wrote:
MoonGoddess wrote:
PeterMac wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

My edit and highlight
The area of the pillow of the bed from the minor disappeared was inspected with the intention to detect the presence of some smell [aroma] characteristic of volatile substances typical of chloroform or ether, this search proving negative

Finally, there also proceeded the detailed analysis of the door and of the windows of the target apartment there not being detected the existence of any clues/traces of break-in/forced entry on them.

Photos 38 to 40: Detail of the lock of the door of the apartment front entrance where the non-existence of break-in/forced entry was verified.

Photos 41 to 43: Details of the window of the bedroom from which the child disappeared where the non-existence of traces/clues of break-in/forced entry was verified.

After the examination of the inside of the apartment and despite the immediate surroundings of the referred apartment not having been preserved [protected] there proceeded the detailed observation of the exterior there not having been detected the existence of any objects/traces of forensic value and [nor] of any traces of shoe-prints in the garden area of the apartment.

However often you "review" this, I suspect it is going to remain more or less the same.
There was NO EVIDENCE of break in or out.
There was NO EVIDENCE of an intruder having sedated the children.

Can anyone remind me what was the innocent explanation for Mrs Mcc's fingerprint[s]? being found on the shutters?

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We will have to ask Clarence Mitchell to come up with the innocent explanation.

Actually, it would be easier to look at the PJ Files for an answer.

Kate McCann's fingerprints were found on the inside of the window in the children's bedroom, not on the shutters.

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I've read this idea that her fingerprints were found on the shutters before and looked for myself. It just isn't true.

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If anyone can find any other reference in the PJ files to Kate McCann's fingerprints being found on the external blinds/shutters, I would be very willing to admit that I am wrong. Otherwise I think it is a bit of a waste of time looking for an explanation for something that doesn't exist.