The Mikaeel Kular case

by Guest 16.01.14 9:28

Just caught the tail end of this story on sky news.
Boy was put to bed at 9pm last night and was gone when family got up this morning.

by Guest 16.01.14 10:06

Last night, 3 year old Mikael Kular from Edinburgh went to bed at his parents house in the evening. The next morning he wasn't there and had vanished............

by russiandoll 16.01.14 10:11

SKY reporters heading to area.

LATEST IN STUDIO.

went to bed at 9pm and when they woke this morning he was not in his home

map of area.

an apartment complex.

baffling....put to bed but description given hooded jacket and shoes

alarm raised by mother, police told approx. 7.45

a 3 yr old won't be very mobile or know how to look after himself

number of outcomes, the positive ones likely sooner rather than later

the more time passes, the more likely the negative outcomes.

police appeal for anyone who can remember seeing him yesterday evening

former Met detective on phone

large police presence in area

relatives spoken to

should be air support and tracker dogs

house to house immediately

unlikely a 3 yr old has dressed himself and gone outdoors

forensics vital in case of an intruder

last movements and people to see him crucial

it will start at the home, where reportedly last seen

local enquiries of sex offenders

by Guest 16.01.14 10:15

Does this sky news presenter usually have a smirk on his face?
Very strange story don't know what to make of it and I have my cynical hat on unfortunately.

by **Nina** 16.01.14 10:17

And the very first time I hear the name Madeleine McCann, I shall scream.

by Guest 16.01.14 10:18

Itv news mentioned a police officer saying 'leave no stone unturned'.

by russiandoll 16.01.14 10:19

we await the tabloids comparing the local police actions with the PJ in 2007.

As far as I can see they are doing the same thing.

Let us hope that there is a good outcome for this vulnerable child if he has been outside for hours in the cold.

It is very worrying and not like an older child of eg. 8 leaving the house, who would know how to get to a friend's or relative's home and who indeed might have planned an adventure.

Fingers crossed it turns out well for little Mikael.

by russiandoll 16.01.14 10:22

Nina wrote:And the very first time I hear the name Madeleine McCann, I shall scream.

The Wright Stuff said it had echoes of Maddie. It is true. Put to bed, missing and reported missing by his mother, the news so far , not sure how accurate this is.

Former Met detective was speaking about police procedures and mentioned April Jones, not that he thought this was an abduction but that the police in Wales put in place some new procedures.

Mikael lived in a flat in a block in north Edinburgh, on a small quiet estate.

Grounds of primary school being searched.

Well populated and police hope for some useful local info.

A police press briefing at 20.45

Sky are soon to have on a former Chief Superintendent of W Yorks police who will describe the simultaneous activities.

He is on now.

Speaking of the woke and wandered scenario,

done anything like this before?

Internal dynamics of the family crucial.

Innocent explanation for disappearance or something more sinister ?

by Guest 16.01.14 10:25

Police to give update at 10.45 am

by russiandoll 16.01.14 10:28

CCTV, Speed is of the essence.

WE HAVE SEEN TOO MANY CASES IN THE PAST WHERE DELAY HAS CAUSED SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES.

the place last seen is crucial

cases we remember

reporter.... many things are nipped in the bud and public never hear of them

notorious cases....April and Madeleine but we don't want to suggest this is like those..

reporter... turning us all into detectives is what the police want [?!]

the child has to be found quickly, every minute that passes the incident escalates in gravity.

reporter asking when airports and ports will be alerted?

if the police suspect abduction, the alerts will be put in place quickly, the art of this is to keep multiple plates spinning said the former ex Chief Super....he is repeatedly emphasising the time element.

by russiandoll 16.01.14 10:35

and here we have it if only by implication

as we know there are other high profile cases [plural ] where as we know the police have not grasped it quickly enough.

sounds like a ref to Maddie imo but I am wondering which the others were..

maybe he is not ref Maddie, usually the critics are very clear when they criticise the PJ.

then I am really puzzled by what he is referring to,

DESCALING OF POLICE ACTIVITY AROUND HIS HOME.

No mention of the father or any man in the home so far...

by ChippyM 16.01.14 10:44

The things that struck me about the circumstances around this case;

- Shoes and jacket seem to be missing, so someone has dressed the boy - which doesn't imply this was a random child abductor (the kind we are constantly reminded of by the McCanns)

- The mother is mentioned but not the father, so is it possible there is a father that disputes custody and has taken the boy? No break in has been mentioned so it could be some one that had access to the house.

Until further details are given, that's what I suspect. I sincerely hope it isn't a stranger.

by russiandoll 16.01.14 10:49

ex cop : the family are of vital interest, STATISTICS TELL YOU THAT MOST CHILDREN WHO COME TO HARM,COME TO HARM FROM PEOPLE THEY KNOW.

It is a scenario that must be considered amongst others, he mentioned abduction by a family member of there has been dispute.

The initial burst of activity has decreased, only speculation that this is good news. The police might have decided to change the direction of their enquiries.

will not post any more as I am sure others are watching the unfolding story.

police briefing now..

Brit son of Asian parents, mum is only one mentioned

She put him to bed at 9pm.

missing from bed this morning when she woke up.

in home last night.... mum and his 4 siblings including his twin [ sister I think]

by Guest 16.01.14 10:50

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by ChippyM 16.01.14 10:52

According to this, he lives with both parents,

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It's possible they have had problems though?

If police are scaling things down, that implies they have an idea of what's going on as you say Russian Doll.

by russiandoll 16.01.14 10:56

The police officer has said the police are speaking to all family members. She has advised that press do not read anything into decreasing activity, it means they are changing the focus of the investigation.
They send officers where they need to be.

His trousers and jacket were reported missing, they are following many lines of enquiry.
POLICE CONCERNED THAT HE COULD NOT DRESS AND LEAVE OF HIS OWN VOLITION GIVEN HIS AGE.

Now I really am over and out !

hope he is safe and well.

He does have a twin sister.

by Cristobell 16.01.14 10:56

Does no evidence of any criminality mean no signs of a break in?

by **PeterMac** 16.01.14 10:57

Press conference just finished.

Father does not live there, and they want to speak to him.

WATCH THE FAMILY ! (Where have we heard that before ?)
Who else would take the brown shoes and the hooded jacket.
Let us hope the father is looking after him properly.

by ChippyM 16.01.14 10:59

PeterMac wrote:Press conference just finished.

Father does not live there, and they want to speak to him.

WATCH THE FAMILY ! (Where have we heard that before ?)
Who else would take the brown shoes and the hooded jacket.
Let us hope the father is looking after him properly.

I thought as much! Hope the guy has not done anything stupid.

by **PeterMac** 16.01.14 11:00

Cristobell wrote:Does no evidence of any criminality mean no signs of a break in?

I think so.
PURE SPECULATION FOLLOWS.
It is beginning to turn into a family dispute, probably over custody.
It is an "asian" family, (in that quaint and racist PC usage, which links Russians with Bengalis, Afghans with Chinese)
4 children, one set of twins, or which he is one.

by Guest 16.01.14 11:09

russiandoll wrote:
His trousers and jacket were reported missing, they are following many lines of enquiry.
POLICE CONCERNED THAT HE COULD NOT DRESS AND LEAVE OF HIS OWN VOLITION GIVEN HIS AGE.
.

When my son was three got out of bed, snuck past our bedroom, climbed up a six foot tall kitchen unit to get the door key, put on his hat, scarf, coat and wellies and went out to play.

He'd never done anything like that before and we made damn sure he never did it again but don't ever underestimate what a determined three year old is capable of.

I just hope that however Mikaeel left his home last night, that he is quickly found safe and well.

by Cristobell 16.01.14 11:31

PeterMac wrote:
Cristobell wrote:Does no evidence of any criminality mean no signs of a break in?
I think so.
PURE SPECULATION FOLLOWS.
It is beginning to turn into a family dispute, probably over custody.
It is an "asian" family, (in that quaint and racist PC usage, which links Russians with Bengalis, Afghans with Chinese)
4 children, one set of twins, or which he is one.

I'm not so sure it is the father Petermac, as you say there are 4 other siblings, one of whom is his twin - so the father would have been leaving his other kids behind.

I've just seen another update on Sky the Officer speaking to the press said there is no evidence of the little lad being with anybody - ergo no sign of criminality, could it be a way of saying they do not suspect an abduction?

by **PeterMac** 16.01.14 11:33

Cristobell wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
Cristobell wrote:Does no evidence of any criminality mean no signs of a break in?
I think so.
PURE SPECULATION FOLLOWS.
It is beginning to turn into a family dispute, probably over custody.
It is an "asian" family, (in that quaint and racist PC usage, which links Russians with Bengalis, Afghans with Chinese)
4 children, one set of twins, or which he is one.

I'm not so sure it is the father Petermac, as you say there are 4 other siblings, one of whom is his twin - so the father would have been leaving his other kids behind.
I've just seen another update on Sky the Officer speaking to the press said there is no evidence of the little lad being with anybody - ergo no sign of criminality, could it be a way of saying they do not suspect an abduction?

I have no idea, obviously. But this child is a male and the twin is female.
In some cultures this makes a difference.

by **Nina** 16.01.14 11:36

PeterMac wrote:
Cristobell wrote:
PeterMac wrote:
Cristobell wrote:Does no evidence of any criminality mean no signs of a break in?
I think so.
PURE SPECULATION FOLLOWS.
It is beginning to turn into a family dispute, probably over custody.
It is an "asian" family, (in that quaint and racist PC usage, which links Russians with Bengalis, Afghans with Chinese)
4 children, one set of twins, or which he is one.

I'm not so sure it is the father Petermac, as you say there are 4 other siblings, one of whom is his twin - so the father would have been leaving his other kids behind.
I've just seen another update on Sky the Officer speaking to the press said there is no evidence of the little lad being with anybody - ergo no sign of criminality, could it be a way of saying they do not suspect an abduction?
I have no idea, obviously. But this child is a male and the twin is female.
In some cultures this makes a difference.

Are there other boys in the family?

by ChippyM 16.01.14 11:36

As well as the child being a boy, some parents have favourite children. Sad but true!

by jeanmonroe 16.01.14 11:38

Did the mother pop her head into his room when she went to bed later?

I don't want to hear a bloody word from McCanns, Mitchell on this, right now!

Hope he's found PDQ.

by **Nina** 16.01.14 11:41

jeanmonroe wrote:Did the mother pop her head into his room when she went to bed later?

I wondered the same Jeanmonroe. She may though have gone to bed at the same time. Just speculation on my part.

by Jemmied_Shatter 16.01.14 11:44

russiandoll wrote:ex cop : the family are of vital interest, STATISTICS TELL YOU THAT MOST CHILDREN WHO COME TO HARM,COME TO HARM FROM PEOPLE THEY KNOW.

It is a scenario that must be considered amongst others, he mentioned abduction by a family member of there has been dispute.

She put him to bed at 9pm.

missing from bed this morning when she woke up.

in home last night.... mum and his 4 siblings including his twin [ sister I think]

Doll, are you aware that the statements made by an ex cop are exactly the same procedures followed by the PJ as mentioned by GA in his book? If so does it mean that there is still a bungling alcholic overwhelmed Police service in Edinburgh?
I hope the child is found safe and well, strangers do not walk in off the street , steal children from their beds then leave without a trace.

by jeanmonroe 16.01.14 11:51

I see they have his photo out there straight away.

Not, i notice, a photo of him when he was much younger. (cuter, cutesy, who no one, even those close to him, would recognise)

Unlike McCanns who did not 'release' LAST photo' of Madeleine (pool) ( which was supposedly' on KM's camera just hours before she went 'missing') until 3 WEEKS later, after GM had returned from UK.

Still don't understand WHY the 'pool' photo which 'was in' KM's camera was NOT released for 3 weeks.

Does anyone have an explanation for WHY the McCanns witheld the 'last' (pool) photo from the public for 3 weeks?

THAT was the the picture of her, people on holiday at the exact same time, would have 'recognised' straight away.

by sallypelt 16.01.14 11:54

Nina wrote:
jeanmonroe wrote:Did the mother pop her head into his room when she went to bed later?
I wondered the same Jeanmonroe. She may though have gone to bed at the same time. Just speculation on my part.

I may be paranoid, but I never slept through one night without checking on my daughter, and I did that until she got married and moved out. I used to call her name at any hour of the night, and she would answer "Mam, I'm still alive". So how anyone can put a 3 year old child to bed at 9.30 PM and not check again until the next moring, is beyond my comprehension.