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Post by Varriott 01.07.14 15:13

They are saying that some of the people to be interviewed worked as cleaners at the O.C.  Is it possible that one of them was the cleaner that Kate supposedly sent away on May 3rd?  Should someone be a little nervous about this?
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Post by ultimaThule 01.07.14 15:15

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I very much doubt you'll be dining on sushi any time soon, PeterM, unless of course you're partial to a bento box.  smilie 

What are the odds of the magic words 'immunity from prosecution' being spoken or at least one of the new arguidos being charged this week?
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Post by Rasputin 01.07.14 15:21

Has it officially been confirmed that some of these persons being interviewed are bonafide arquidos/suspects or are we simply listening to what the UK Msn are telling us ??

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Post by HelenMeg 01.07.14 15:24

Rasputin wrote:Has it officially been confirmed that some of these persons being interviewed are bonafide arquidos/suspects or are we simply listening to what the UK Msn are telling us ??
Whatever is going on - whether it points to whitewash or to justice, I bet AR is enjoying this - the power he seems to have over us the audience. He is still putting on a show for someone's benefit.

Certainly makes the PJ look professional anyway.

So Mr and Mrs Mc Cann - are you 'all buoyed up' or deflating ? Which one? need to know
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Post by ChippyM 01.07.14 15:26

Rasputin wrote:Has it officially been confirmed that some of these persons being interviewed are bonafide arquidos/suspects or are we simply listening to what the UK Msn are telling us ??


No and ...yes to those questions.
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Post by Woofer 01.07.14 15:34

Joana has said that there are 4 Arguidos which means they will be questioned with a lawyer present.

Joana also said one of them is a former driver at the OC.  The only 2 drivers that I can find who gave statements are :-

MAINTENANCE DRIVER WORKER 07 MAY 07
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Witness Statement
 
Bernardino de Abreu Pereia da Silva
 
Date/Time: 2007/05/07 13H00
 
Maintenance Worker/Driver
 
Nationality: Portuguese
 
Place of Work: Ocean Club
 
Concerning the process he says;
 
That he comes to the process as a witness;
 
The witness states that he carried out maintenance functions for about one year, but that he currently works as a driver.
 
In relation to the facts which are being investigated, the witness states that, he never had any type of contact with this family, as they were just “clients” as are hundreds of others who frequent the resort.
 
He states that he only learnt of the disappearance of the child when he arrived at his place of work, on Friday, the 4th, at about 14H30, and saw the police “apparatus” which surrounded the resort, having subsequently been informed of the events by his colleagues.
 
He states that at no moment, did he notice the presence of anyone with an abnormal behaviour, as regards children, or anything else which appeared to be of suspicious nature.
 
The witness states that, in informal conversation with the inspectors of this police force (DIC Portimao), he reported a situation, which at the time seemed abnormal, but that these facts have already been investigated, and it was determined that they had no relevance to the current investigation.
 
When asked, he replies that it was from this moment onwards that he learnt of the facts under investigation by means of the media.
 
The witness does not remember any other element that could be useful to the investigation.
 
No more was said. He has read the statement, finds it in conformity and will sign




She saw nothing suspicious.
No more is said.

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When asked, he says he no longer works for the MW OC for health reasons, he made the decision to resign.

When questioned about having made a telephone call on 3rd May at 21.00.11 having activated antennas in P da L, when his working day finished at 20.30, he says that on this day, as well as on others, he was delayed because he had to carry out the transport, even though it was late, of some tourists. At this time he was driving the minibus belonging to the establishment. H e also says, that on this day, as well as the transport already referred to, he was late because of the fact that some tourists did not have the key to their apartment.

With regard to the number that he dialled on that day at that time, he says it was the number 966****** corresponding to his wife?s number, which was confirmed in this file.
He has nothing else to add.
Reads, ratifies, signs.

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Jose Carlos Fernandes da Silva

Date: 2007-05-08

Occupation: Driver

Place of Work: OC

Comes to the process as a witness.

He has worked as a driver at the OC since the 26th March of this year. His functions consist of driving the tourists from the reception to the apartments where they are staying. His working hours are from 11.00 to 16.00, except for Thursdays and Saturdays which are the days guests arrive and leave and when he starts and finishes work much earlier and later. He knows the resort well as he circulates throughout the whole resort.

When asked whether he knows about the disappearance he says that he heard about it on the day of the disappearance at about 23.00 because he was on his balcony and two men passed by and asked him whether he had seen a small girl who had gone missing from a restaurant. On the following day when he arrived at work he was told all the details. When asked, he replies that he does not think he saw or spoke to the girl or her family before the disappearance. He only knew who they were from the news.

Nobody made any comments to him about the guests or about children in the preceding days.

He did not see anyone suspicious or any unusual vehicles.

No more is said.

Reads, ratifies, signs.
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Post by Google.Gaspar.Statements 01.07.14 15:38

Bishop Brennan wrote:
lj wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:
margaret wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:Wonder if Mr and Mrs Mc Cann are feeling 'buoyed up' at the news?

I feel a little optimistic that by homing in on Malinka they are getting much closer to where they need to be..

Me too. Malinka leads to Murat, leads to.....

Could the four also include michaela Murat and his mother?
Trouble is - our hopes have been dashed far too many times previously. Still, we're getting closer. dance


Closer to what, Helenmeg?

As far as I can see after the useless digs we now get the useless interviews. "they have to be eliminated, you see".

And not before they create 4 nice new Arguidos... who will now remain Arguidos - "Prime Suspects" in the UK media - throughout the closing stages of the libel trial, and its verdict phase.  Right up until the case is shelved, with history rewritten.    The creation of the Arguidos is a master stroke by AR - the timing and the make-up of the 4As is just what the UK media was hoping for.  

Unless there is some kind of connection between one (or any) of these 4 back to the McCanns, then I think they are home free.   Whether or not they get to go home with a share of the £1m libel pot remains to be seen.   But with the amount of background noise that there will be from now on, the verdict (even if negative to the McCanns) will be easily drowned in a sea of Arguido stories, background histories and abduction plots.  


What really worries me is that the McCanns, aided and abetted by the UK police, media and government have damaged Dr Amaral so badly that I worry for his health. Kate McCann has already said she wants him to feel miserable and to feel fear and that she wants him "to disappear", Dr Amaral's dog was also killed with a mysterious head injury - just how far will the UK go to destroy this man who was only doing his job, trying to find the child that THEY lost?

Just how much blood will the UK have on its hands when this case is shelved once again and this poor man is destroyed?

Madeleine is dead, will the UK stop this damage before they do the same to Dr Amaral?

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Post by Cristobell 01.07.14 15:47

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PeterMac wrote:I have just had this special edible HAT delivered, just in case . . .
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I very much doubt you'll be dining on sushi any time soon, PeterM, unless of course you're partial to a bento box.  smilie 

What are the odds of the magic words 'immunity from prosecution' being spoken or at least one of the new arguidos being charged this week?
Charged with what UT? 

In 7 years neither the PJ nor SY have ever had enough evidence to charge the actual perpetrators, and the whole world and its dog, knows there was no evidence of abduction.  If someone is charged, they will then have to be prosecuted and the police must have enough evidence to convince the Portuguese Attorney General and the British Crown Prosecution Service, that they have enough evidence to get a conviction.
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Post by Guest 01.07.14 15:59

Woofer wrote:Joana has said that there are 4 Arguidos which means they will be questioned with a lawyer present.

Joana also said one of them is a former driver at the OC.  The only 2 drivers that I can find who gave statements are :-

MAINTENANCE DRIVER WORKER 07 MAY 07
Processos Volume II Pages 372 to 373?Witness statement of Bernardino Abreu Pereira da Silva 2007.05.07
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02 Processos Volume II Pages 372 to 373
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Pages 372 - 373 
 
Witness Statement
 
Bernardino de Abreu Pereia da Silva
 
Date/Time: 2007/05/07 13H00
 
Maintenance Worker/Driver
 
Nationality: Portuguese
 
Place of Work: Ocean Club
 
Concerning the process he says;
 
That he comes to the process as a witness;
 
The witness states that he carried out maintenance functions for about one year, but that he currently works as a driver.
 
In relation to the facts which are being investigated, the witness states that, he never had any type of contact with this family, as they were just “clients” as are hundreds of others who frequent the resort.
 
He states that he only learnt of the disappearance of the child when he arrived at his place of work, on Friday, the 4th, at about 14H30, and saw the police “apparatus” which surrounded the resort, having subsequently been informed of the events by his colleagues.
 
He states that at no moment, did he notice the presence of anyone with an abnormal behaviour, as regards children, or anything else which appeared to be of suspicious nature.
 
The witness states that, in informal conversation with the inspectors of this police force (DIC Portimao), he reported a situation, which at the time seemed abnormal, but that these facts have already been investigated, and it was determined that they had no relevance to the current investigation.
 
When asked, he replies that it was from this moment onwards that he learnt of the facts under investigation by means of the media.
 
The witness does not remember any other element that could be useful to the investigation.
 
No more was said. He has read the statement, finds it in conformity and will sign




She saw nothing suspicious.
No more is said.

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Bernardino Abreu Pereira da Silva (previously identified on p 372)

He confirms the integrity of his statement on page 372.


When asked, he says he no longer works for the MW OC for health reasons, he made the decision to resign.

When questioned about having made a telephone call on 3rd May at 21.00.11 having activated antennas in P da L, when his working day finished at 20.30, he says that on this day, as well as on others, he was delayed because he had to carry out the transport, even though it was late, of some tourists. At this time he was driving the minibus belonging to the establishment. H e also says, that on this day, as well as the transport already referred to, he was late because of the fact that some tourists did not have the key to their apartment.

With regard to the number that he dialled on that day at that time, he says it was the number 966****** corresponding to his wife?s number, which was confirmed in this file.
He has nothing else to add.
Reads, ratifies, signs.

and

DRIVER 08 MAY 07
679 to 680 Witness statement of Jose Carlos Fernandes da Silva 2007.05.08
TRANSLATIONS BY INES
03-Processos Vol III Pages 679-680
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Jose Carlos Fernandes da Silva

Date: 2007-05-08

Occupation: Driver

Place of Work: OC

Comes to the process as a witness.

He has worked as a driver at the OC since the 26th March of this year. His functions consist of driving the tourists from the reception to the apartments where they are staying. His working hours are from 11.00 to 16.00, except for Thursdays and Saturdays which are the days guests arrive and leave and when he starts and finishes work much earlier and later. He knows the resort well as he circulates throughout the whole resort.

When asked whether he knows about the disappearance he says that he heard about it on the day of the disappearance at about 23.00 because he was on his balcony and two men passed by and asked him whether he had seen a small girl who had gone missing from a restaurant. On the following day when he arrived at work he was told all the details. When asked, he replies that he does not think he saw or spoke to the girl or her family before the disappearance. He only knew who they were from the news.

Nobody made any comments to him about the guests or about children in the preceding days.

He did not see anyone suspicious or any unusual vehicles.

No more is said.

Reads, ratifies, signs.
Worth reading. Imo
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Post by ultimaThule 01.07.14 16:00

As the arguidos are Portuguese nationals they may be charged with whatever offence the PJ see fit, or not as the case may be Cristobell.
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The witness states that, in informal conversation with the inspectors of this police force (DIC Portimao), he reported a situation, which at the time seemed abnormal, but that these facts have already been investigated, and it was determined that they had no relevance to the current investigation.

Be fascinating to know what that was all about.
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"His working hours are from 11.00 to 16.00, except for Thursdays and Saturdays which are the days guests arrive and leave and when he starts and finishes work much earlier and later."

He doesn't say what time he finished work on 3rd May, other than he was on his balcony at 23.00hrs.
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ultimaThule wrote:As the arguidos are Portuguese nationals they may be charged with whatever offence the PJ see fit, or not as the case may be Cristobell.

How not to attack a co-member, let me try.
 @uT, it is not within the reopened case of the PJ that these individuals are questioned. It's a result of the ILORs NSY sent. You can compare it to those rogatories once held in the UK.

So they are not witnesses, suspects heard in the reopened PJ investigation.
The people being interviewed are part (involuntarely) of the UK cover up.
It's time they stop blaming the victim.

This is not a Portuguese story, its an UK one.

Let's stop distorting the reality,
it's the only way to get Justice being done.
And all collateral damages repaid, if at all possible.

IMO
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Post by Newintown 01.07.14 16:21

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
The witness states that, in informal conversation with the inspectors of this police force (DIC Portimao), he reported a situation, which at the time seemed abnormal, but that these facts have already been investigated, and it was determined that they had no relevance to the current investigation.

Be fascinating to know what that was all about.

Could be one of the people being re-interviewed, the OC driver perhaps as mentioned on the news programmes.  Although he was not a driver when working for the OC but was after leaving the OC, the UK news reports never get their facts correct.

If the situation he referred to at the time "seemed abnormal" but had already been investigated, may be if further facts have been brought to light which may link in with what he was referring to, the PJ and SY want to quiz him further on the "abnormal situation" he reported.

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Post by Cristobell 01.07.14 16:22

ultimaThule wrote:As the arguidos are Portuguese nationals they may be charged with whatever offence the PJ see fit, or not as the case may be Cristobell.

My point really, is that they can't be charged with abduction as there is no evidence to support it.  As for being made arguidos, though they were wrong with Robert Murat, they did at least have 4 people (McCann friends) pointing the finger at him.  If they had something tangible, such as the DNA of one of the witnesses they are interviewing today or that one resembled Smithman then 1) he wouldn't have hung around to be interviewed and 2)he would have been arrested already.
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Post by Guest 01.07.14 16:27

It`s worth having a look at Unterdenteppich`s blog post in February ( under the Redwood tree)  Perhaps someone more technologically able than I can bring it over.

The phone record of one of the cleaners may be interesting as it might show whether the alarm had been raised earlier than Kate said.  The interviews may be taking place to see whether Gerry`s alibi about being round the Ocean Club until 10.00 pm can be eroded.
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Post by Justformaddie 01.07.14 16:31

One suspect just left faro in an unmarked car with 2 policemen

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Post by ultimaThule 01.07.14 16:36

parapono wrote:
ultimaThule wrote:As the arguidos are Portuguese nationals they may be charged with whatever offence the PJ see fit, or not as the case may be Cristobell.

How not to attack a co-member, let me try.
 @uT, it is not within the reopened case of the PJ that these individuals are questioned. It's a result of the ILORs NSY sent. You can compare it to those rogatories once held in the UK.
So they are not witnesses, suspects heard in the reopened PJ investigation.
The people being interviewed are part (involuntarely) of the UK cover up.
It's time they stop blaming the victim.
This is not a Portuguese story, its an UK one.
Let's stop distorting the reality,
it's the only way to get Justice being done.
And all collateral damages repaid, if at all possible.
IMO
and with due respect
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IF, as appears to be the case, a number of Portuguese nationals have been made arguidos, these decisions will have been made by the  PJ and/or the investigating judge independently of any ILORs sent by the UK,  parapono,  and I don't see why I should come under attack for stating the obvious in response to Crisobell's question  "Charged with what UT?  In 7 years neither the PJ nor SY have ever had enough evidence to charge the actual perpetrators, and the whole world and its dog, knows there was no evidence of abduction.  If someone is charged, they will then have to be prosecuted and the police must have enough evidence to convince the Portuguese Attorney General and the British Crown Prosecution Service, that they have enough evidence to get a conviction" or any other reason.
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Post by tiny 01.07.14 16:38

Justformaddie wrote:One suspect just left faro in an unmarked car with 2 policemen
sounds interesting
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Post by lj 01.07.14 16:40

Bishop Brennan wrote:It is interesting. But Ive decided to remain sceptical. The timing is so coincidental. Throwing Malinka into the mix adds interest and headlines. Will we see Murat interviewed at verdict time In a couple of months I wonder?


Me too, and the last idea and I would not be amazed about Murat's interview.

Desperate measures to keep the conning couple out of the picture.

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Post by Cristobell 01.07.14 16:41

I wonder if the OC driver was picking up all the friends and relatives who came out to join the McCanns on their extended holiday?  It was 3 weeks before the McCanns hired a car, and Warners were laying on drivers for them up until that time - they may also have been driving the celebrity pair to their media interviews etc.
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Post by ChippyM 01.07.14 16:44

tiny wrote:
Justformaddie wrote:One suspect just left faro in an unmarked car with 2 policemen
sounds interesting

 Do officers bother to give suspects a lift home, or do you only get that treatment if you were a witness?
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Post by ultimaThule 01.07.14 16:44

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Bishop Brennan wrote:It is interesting. But Ive decided to remain sceptical. The timing is so coincidental. Throwing Malinka into the mix adds interest and headlines. Will we see Murat interviewed at verdict time In a couple of months I wonder?


Me too, and the last idea and I would not be amazed about Murat's interview.

Desperate measures to keep the conning couple out of the picture.

It seems to me the conning couple are very much in the picture, lj, and in all probability will the be last two in the frame - give or take 7 others who are grouped behind them.  smilie
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Post by worriedmum 01.07.14 16:44

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''[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] One suspect has been given 253 questions to answer. Scot Yard joint theories: sex motive or robbery that went wrong.''


That's an awful lot of questions to answer. Or not, as the case may be. So, how many 48's go in to 253? That's an awful lot of f****ng t****rs to get through(even under your breath...)...
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Post by tigger 01.07.14 16:46

One does rememberthat Malinka had not one, but two cars torched within a fairly short period of time.

The last one with the word 'Fala' (talk) written on the pavement next to it.

I've always seen him as an 'after the fact' helper.

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Post by worriedmum 01.07.14 16:49

Can burned out cars yield forensic results?
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Post by ultimaThule 01.07.14 16:52

tigger wrote:One does rememberthat Malinka had not one, but two cars torched within a fairly short period of time.

The last one with the word 'Fala' (talk) written on the pavement next to it.

I've always seen him as an 'after the fact' helper.

Somewhat like Sollecito who, many years after the event, has changed his tune? tigger
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Post by Newintown 01.07.14 16:57

worriedmum wrote:Can burned out cars yield forensic results?

Dogs are used by the fire services in the UK in burnt out buildings, how much they can detect after a fire I'm not sure, but I know they are used as I've seen them in action on TV programmes about the "Rescue Services".

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