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Front Cover: English search for Maddie's body. Excavations in the Algarve - they search for evidence of the body of the child who disappeared in Praia da Luz. Investigators bet on the homicide thesis.

The English police believe the child died in Praia da Luz and search for the cadaver or hidden vestiges.

by Rui Pando Gomes and Tânia Laranjo

The English Police believe the body of Madeleine McCann, who disappeared seven years ago in the Algarve, is or has been buried in Praia da Luz, Lagos. This the focus of the British investigators who began yesterday the search for evidence of the death of the English child on the ground where excavations were authorized, searching for both the corpse or other hidden vestiges.

CM found out that sniffer dogs, that were brought from England to detect corpses or buried clues, will begin to be used today in the searches. Investigators from Scotland Yard are convinced that the English child, then with four and who was on holiday with her parents and twin siblings in the Ocean Club resort, died in Praia da Luz and that her body was buried in a vacant lot.

They admit, however, that the body could have been removed, at a later time, from the location where it was hidden and that it is now possible to detect any clues that were left on the ground.

The proceedings are being followed up to detail by members of the Judiciary Police of Faro and teams of GNR officers that are ensuring all the security around the site of the investigations. Yesterday, during the day, elements of the English police marked the places where the main investigation should focus, with the placement of more than a dozen stakes, with multiple priority levels. Topographic measurements were also made ​​and tents were assembled to provide support for the investigations.

The sniffer dogs who came from England for the searches will be on the ground today for the first time. They should search the most relevant sites and a georadar will be used afterwards. Before using the equipment to search for buried corpses, vegetation will have to be cut in defined locations.

The excavations should take place tomorrow if, in the meantime, any clue or tangible vestige is found.

Intruders monitored by GNR

The whole perimeter of the sites to be searched is around the size of two football fields together and is being controlled by the GNR [[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]/Republican National Guard] officers twenty-four hours a day.

CM was able to establish that 40 military GNR officers will be involved in this operation daily. Among them are elements of the GNR Territorial Detachment of Portimão and dual patrolling teams [binómios] of men and dogs from the GNR Intervention Detachment of Faro.All movements of possible intruders who attempt to enter the terrain are followed in detail from the top of a hill, where the control post is located, with the help of long range binoculars.

Several teams, in rotation, ensure the security inside and outside the areas where the searches are taking place. The traffic, which at this time has been much more intense, is also being managed by the GNR.

During the night the entire place is also guarded by the military, to ensure the surveillance of equipment and materials placed on the ground. In the coming days the patrolling can be further strengthened.

CynicAL wrote: "Why go to all this trouble, why waken the sleeping dogs AND the sleeping dragons, in order to just put them back to sleep again, just so that you can say - in effect - that the public who believed you before still believe you, and the public who didn't believe you before are no more convinced that they should."

Exactly! If there has been a "whitewash"...well, it worked! Why would whitewashers start from scratch, only to reconvince people who already bought their story?

No, something has changed, and it does not bode well for the McCanns. I am hopeful that Criminal Profiler Pat Brown is overstating her pessimism about the investigation as a way to put the police of both countries on notice that she (Brown) and others will squeal like pigs under a gate if the McCanns are exonerated yet again.

to whoever mentioned the latest Textusa blog... I have read it and all the comments. Some interesting stuff as usual but some strange stuff also.

 Whoever commented that they believe SY is smearing cadaverine on the rocks for the dogs to alert to has lost the plot.

russiandoll wrote:

AndyB wrote:

MarcoG wrote:

AndyB wrote:

gbwales wrote:There's a proper old troll on the Guardian comments called "[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]" - describes themselves as an amused observer, but who appears to be phenomenally interested in this forum!

Comical isn't he/she/it. Claims to have "no bias- just an open mind" then talks about "the cottage industry of McCann hate sites" and says of one comment "I assume you are [member here]* Hater and Pitchforker".  There's also "Tin Foil Hat Conspiracy", although sadly not "conspiraloon". (Actually ID735113 would write it "Conspiraloon". I'm not sure why the need to capitalise the insults)

*Name removed to avoid repeating the libel

Capitalised words, just like Scientist, Forensics, Philosopher, Presumption of Innocence.

Very well spotted Marco. Scientific Method and Judicial Process are another couple of examples

 The misbehaving i -phone ?   

Lol that's Entirely Possible.

Praia wrote:ChippyM there was very unseasonal weather last week with some very heavy rain. If the search had been planned for last week they would have had problems.

Thanks for the inside info. I suppose I meant in general they wouldn't plan a dig in the winter months as those months are usually wetter, which would be some explanation for those that are saying they are ruining tourist season just for the hell of it.

Hmmm last week the Portugal Resident wrote that media were invited to the now annual PR event re policing in the resort areas of the Algarve during the Summer. The Algarve Tourist Board and police authorities meet the press.They usually announce how many extra officers would be deployed to police the busy resorts and how they had seen a drop in petty crime due to extra Summer resources.
The journalists were annoyed to be refused entrance and the whole thing was behing close doors. They had no idea why.

I wonder now were the authorities telling the tourist board about the extra police needed in Luz and would not be available to work the resorts. Also they may have wanted to avoid media questions re policing of the upcoming searches.

All this digging and dogs looks so impressive, but where would sy get there info to dig in these places,i am still convinced that this is just for show.

“If any of the MET team were Masons (who I understand have a duty to protect brother Masons above and beyond the law of the land) then I imagine that would be motivation enough.”


If PC Plod were a Mason, he would not harness much influence or be able to pass any Masonic or anti-ethic/establishment view on, of suppressing/rendering a guilty person innocent of serious crimes and motivation is not ability to convince.


But I understand that generally, Masons are of the higher order, leaving only AR (or maybe one of the Inspectors). Could such solitude be so powerful amongst non likeminded folk? Are we underestimating their power? I did mention that a possible secret organization may be a motive, but this seems very tricky to keep under wraps and organize and hide, even with powers from on high. Thanks for other links btw. Will view. But, to find minority cases does not infer all are or even could be like this. It could be that this is all genuine (and many dodgy issues like the remit and OG statements that may seem to refute justice) are a means to an end.


Whilst I’ve had sympathy with the whitewash views and evidence, I’ve always been more persuaded the other way, though I simply do not know enough about the case, the law, government policy, international relations or police procedures to make any meaningful statement regarding an outcome, though it doesn’t stop me making occasional comments and wanting to follow in or get involved.


Nice to see the most advanced machinery ever created for the specific job on hand is at the scene (Posted by PM). Awesome bitch.

just posted on MM

  Just saw on telly, an ITV journalist in Luz at the scene of the digs, speaking to one of the British police whom I believe was with Redwood during those recent (cough) low-key trips to Portugal.  The journalist asked questions about the dogs, and was told they drill bore holes in the suspicious areas, and see if they pick up a scent.  He asked is there really likely to be anything found so close, in areas that were searched in the early days, and was told 'yes, it is possible.' The journalist also asked point blank.... "this isn't just for show is it?"  To which the detective kept his dopey, chatty, neutral face and replied that 'it wasn't.'

Not a chance this is a "cover-up" or "whitewash" the way things are going. Very optimistic...

This was in the CdM report I just copied over from Joana's site

   They admit, however, that the body could have been removed, at a later time, from the location where it was hidden and that it is now possible to detect any clues that were left on the ground.


 well well...

russiandoll wrote:just posted on MM

  Just saw on telly, an ITV journalist in Luz at the scene of the digs, speaking to one of the British police whom I believe was with Redwood during those recent (cough) low-key trips to Portugal.  The journalist asked questions about the dogs, and was told they drill bore holes in the suspicious areas, and see if they pick up a scent.  He asked is there really likely to be anything found so close, in areas that were searched in the early days, and was told 'yes, it is possible.' The journalist also asked point blank.... "this isn't just for show is it?"  To which the detective kept his dopey, chatty, neutral face and replied that 'it wasn't.'

 There are pics at the daily mail that show one officer possibly using a metal pole to either probe the ground or help the dogs detect a scent.

Pershing36 wrote:Did anyone see the Forensic scientist trying ram that T-bar thingy into the ground.  He could barely do it, so how on Earth would anyone bury a body in the dark with basic equipment?

All seems bizarre to me.

The 'T-bar thingy' is called an 'auger'.

I used one many times in Yorkshire and Lincolnshire in 1970 when researching the history of the Ice Age in Britain for my Geography degree (Sheffield University); it was used to extract a core, about 1" to 2" wide, of soil, glacial till and boulder clay - relatively soft stuff. You would take samples over quite a wide area and then use the core samples to analyse the to-and-fro movements of the ice throuh the soil and subsoil during the Ice Age.

No way would you use an auger to go through rock, you would simpoly have to use a powerful drill.

But it does look seriously impressive when seen close up on one of Rupert Murdoch's long lens SKY News TV cameras.

Whether this augurs [with a 'u'] well for the future, time will tell

Very close to what the PJ believed in 2007


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3 June 2014 | Posted by  [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Front Cover: English search for Maddie's body. Excavations in the Algarve - they search for evidence of the body of the child who disappeared in Praia da Luz. Investigators bet on the homicide thesis.

The English police believe the child died in Praia da Luz and search for the cadaver or hidden vestiges.

by Rui Pando Gomes and Tânia Laranjo

The English Police believe the body of Madeleine McCann, who disappeared seven years ago in the Algarve, is or has been buried in Praia da Luz, Lagos. This the focus of the British investigators who began yesterday the search for evidence of the death of the English child on the ground where excavations were authorized, searching for both the corpse or other hidden vestiges.

CM found out that sniffer dogs, that were brought from England to detect corpses or buried clues, will begin to be used today in the searches. Investigators from Scotland Yard are convinced that the English child, then with four and who was on holiday with her parents and twin siblings in the Ocean Club resort, died in Praia da Luz and that her body was buried in a vacant lot.

They admit, however, that the body could have been removed, at a later time, from the location where it was hidden and that it is now possible to detect any clues that were left on the ground.

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Yes, tasprin. An interesting report. Thanks for pulling out the part I forgot about... the  is or HAS BEEN buried in PdL.

  some good video here

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From Twitter:
Dogs fail to indicate cadaver odour at the first 2 zones marked out for searches in the scrubland.
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Surely the words "is or HAS BEEN" buried are hugely significant. No-one cd possibly pretend that Tractorman or Binman or any other so-called suspects not only buried Madeleine but returned later to move her body. IT has to lead to the McCanns and the cadaver scent and the hire car...

Local weather forecasting rain on Friday, I wonder will that effect the searches.

juliet wrote:Surely the words "is or HAS BEEN" buried are hugely significant. No-one cd possibly pretend that Tractorman or Binman or any other so-called suspects not only buried Madeleine but returned later to move her body. IT has to lead to the McCanns and the cadaver scent and the hire car...

  I think it is quite logical looking at the land they are searching that a body may have been put there temporarily as there is deep vegetation where a body or objects may have been concealed for a time.

  Apparently locals searched this land at the time she went missing, maybe a body was not there at that time.

So SY believe that Madeleine died in Praia Da Luz, her body moved at a later date.
Mr Amaral put forward this exact theory (going by the evidence) in 2007.

If Mr Amaral's theory is proven correct I will look forward to reading all the grovelling apologies written by the British newspapers.

QUOTE  They admit, however, that the body could have been removed, at a later time, from the location where it was hidden and that it is now possible to detect any clues that were left on the ground.

If this statement reaches blighty in the nationals , even the biggest pro will realise NO killer / burglar / abductor , would return to re bury a corpse . and the only logical conclusion will start to dawn . 

 Speaking of dawn , IMO if this is all legit and they find what they are looking for, i expect dawn raids at several addresses . as it will happen very fast once it happens .

PPS that IS me in the Avitar  BTW. i am not a police photographer , i was playing one in a well known TV series !!

stillsloppingout wrote:PPS that IS me in the Avitar  BTW. i am not a police photographer , i was playing one in a well known TV series !!

  

Hicks wrote:So SY believe that Madeleine died in Praia Da Luz, her body moved at a later date.
Mr Amaral put forward this exact theory (going by the evidence) in 2007.

If Mr Amaral's theory is proven correct I will look forward to reading all the grovelling apologies written by the British newspapers.

Me to,but I cant see british newspapers doing that,oh deary me no

CynicAl wrote:I'll chip in my dose of optimism again, for what it's worth...

There is a lot of speculation - understandable speculation - about a 'cover up'.

The problem is, that no one seems to understand the definition of a 'cover up.' Or its purpose.

A cover up is intended, principally, to hide the facts.

If the last seven years have seen any party make any effort at a 'cover up', then quite simply every single party that attempted a cover up has failed. If they hadn't failed, we wouldn't be discussing the glaringly obvious facts. No anomalies would be present, no evidence to contradict, no enigmas to promote legitimate speculation.

That all depends on what it is that being covered up. I happen to believe that the cover up is working extremely well and that the full truth of what happened to Madeleine McCann, and the circumstances surrounding her disappearance will never be known. I also believe that the only reason we are discussing any of this is that the Portuguese published all the case files, something that would be utterly unthinkable to our secretive rulers. Had the Portuguese not done so, I doubt that this forum would exist and none of the facts of which we are now aware would be known, let alone glaringly obvious. In other words, had the Portuguese not published their case files the cover-up would've worked from the start without the need for the Yard's current convoluted attempts to put the genie back in the bottle.

Obviously I hope I'm wrong and you're right.

NickE wrote:From Twitter:
Dogs fail to indicate cadaver odour at the first 2 zones marked out for searches in the scrubland.
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Not sure how this news is being 'leaked out' but 2 down 3 to go?

AndyB wrote:

CynicAl wrote:I'll chip in my dose of optimism again, for what it's worth...

There is a lot of speculation - understandable speculation - about a 'cover up'.

The problem is, that no one seems to understand the definition of a 'cover up.' Or its purpose.

A cover up is intended, principally, to hide the facts.

If the last seven years have seen any party make any effort at a 'cover up', then quite simply every single party that attempted a cover up has failed. If they hadn't failed, we wouldn't be discussing the glaringly obvious facts. No anomalies would be present, no evidence to contradict, no enigmas to promote legitimate speculation.

That all depends on what it is that being covered up. I happen to believe that the cover up is working extremely well and that the full truth of what happened to Madeleine McCann, and the circumstances surrounding her disappearance will never be known. I also believe that the only reason we are discussing any of this is that the Portuguese published all the case files, something that would be utterly unthinkable to our secretive rulers. Had the Portuguese not done so, I doubt that this forum would exist and none of the facts of which we are now aware would be known, let alone glaringly obvious. In other words, had the Portuguese not published their case files the cover-up would've worked from the start without the need for the Yard's current convoluted attempts to put the genie back in the bottle.

Obviously I hope I'm wrong and you're right.

Also the shelving and publishing of the case left the finger of suspicion pointing at certain individuals - they needed it rectified. Now why would they publicly demand a review? If they were not confident in the outcome they would not have called for a review of the case.

The search is based on the evidence of a family of Irish tourists who told police they saw a man carrying a blonde-haired girl towards the waste land at about the time Madeleine, who was almost four, disappeared in May 2007.
Martin Smith initially said that the man did not appear to be a tourist but months later said he was similar to Mr McCann,
The retired businessman told Portuguese police that he saw the man and child at about 10pm walking from the Ocean Club resort, where the McCanns had been staying, towards the Rua 25 De Abril which borders the wasteland on a small hill overlooking the Atlantic.
Mr Smith said he was not wearing his glasses at the time but described the man as WHITE, aged 35 to 40, 1.75 to 1.8m tall, with short brown hair. The girl he was carrying was aged about four. He said he did not believe that the man was a tourist.
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SO, how does EM (dead 'BLACK' suspect) fit in as being WHITE?

SY/Met whole 'story' so they say NOW depends solely on the 'suspect' being WHITE (Smithman e-fits as displayed by DCI Redwood on CW)

The Portuguese say EM.

As Ricky Gervais would say "you 'avin a laff?"

The two English spaniels being used in the search in Portugal, are called Tito and Muzzy. I wonder if they will become as well-known as Edie and Keela.