Re: Madeleine McCann search to enter 'substantial phase' of activity

by stillsloppingout 22.05.14 16:17

utahagen wrote:Cristobell wrote: "If a whitewash were underway, wouldn't the McCanns have to know about it?...From the look of their troubled faces, I don't think they know any more about what is going on in the investigation than we do."

I'll concede that I very much would like SY and Portugal eventually to say publicly that the McCanns are lying, even if neither party can proscute them for some legal or practical reason; and that that hope of mine may bias me towards arguing against a whitewash. However, I'll ask again, if there's a whitewash going on and the McCanns are soon to be completely in the clear, why do they now seem more frightened than they did in even the days after Madeleine disappeared?

They did not look frightened during the fun run etc. It could well be that they are NOT being kept in the loop ,but when you have SY calling them today by there Christian names , then it does not seem to point that way .

If they have troubled faces, it will be the weight of waking up every morning with the guilt of what has happened to there daughter , and the implications of what fate awaits if they are ever convicted .

It takes very special people to continue to carry on with the act in the spotlight of an ever more savvy public .

The fact that they are out at all, tells me they are being kept up to speed with the case every step of the way .

by Garrincha 22.05.14 16:29

Rowley is quoted as saying: If you get any information ahead of our actions do not publish anything that may give suspects advance notice.

I wonder, I wonder, who is he really referring to?

by jeanmonroe 22.05.14 16:30

stillsloppingout wrote:

"It takes very special people to continue to carry on with the act in the spotlight of an ever more savvy public" .
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or narcissists? winkwink

by Newintown 22.05.14 16:37

jeanmonroe wrote:stillsloppingout wrote:

"It takes very special people to continue to carry on with the act in the spotlight of an ever more savvy public" .
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or narcissists?

Or they have to brazen it out until the bitter end in front of family, friends, neighbours, work colleagues who may all be asking questions, if not directly but behind their backs.

(brazen something out) from the online Oxford dictionary -

Endure an embarrassing or difficult situation by behaving with apparent confidence and lack of shame:
‘there was nothing to do but brazen it out’

by missmar1 22.05.14 16:38

Imo, it is using the Mccanns christian names during a very important public announcement about their missing daughter that is very concerning because whether or not we have a white wash advancing towards us - imo, the public will see the use of christian names as a friendly gesture from SY towards the Mccanns and therefore, the public will keep the belief that the Mccanns are still not in SY sights as possible suspects

by utahagen 22.05.14 16:38

Stillsloppingout wrote: "...but when you have SY calling [the McCanns] by their Christian names today by there Christian names..."

Using their Christian names, as opposed to "Mr and Mrs McCann", either was just an example of decline in decorum in Europe and (even more so) in the USA, or it was a cheeky way of taunting the McCanns. I don't take referring to them as "Kate and Gerry" as an indicator that any fix is in.

by ChippyM 22.05.14 16:43

endgame wrote:
ChippyM wrote:
Cristobell wrote:If a whitewash were underway, wouldn't the McCanns have to know about it? Given the frequency of their TV appearances and interviews, they could at any moment drop themselves and SY in it.

From the look of their troubled faces, I don't think they know any more about what is going on in the investigation than we do. Imo, if they were kept fully updated they would not have had to ask for the dig to be postponed so they could celebrate Madeleine's birthday.

I believe the 'birthday' story was planted to try and make us think they are in the loop about the digs and have some kind of influence over SY. Just the mention of 'asking SY' is a subtle enough tactic to infer that they have some kind of influence and can ask SY to do what they like. There is of course absolutely no evidence they asked SY anything of the sort. So yes I agree, they don't know what's going to happen.
If the story was genuine, there must have been some imminent prospect of digging taking place over Madeleine's birthday which would cause the Mc's to ask for a temporary stay. In which case, why hasn't the activity now begun and why is Rowley suggesting that nothing is going to happen for weeks? I think this is another example of the deeply unpleasant manipulation in which the Mc's continuously indulge. There was no indication anywhere that digging was going to take place immediately so they weigh in and claim that it's because they asked for it and, look, our feelings are so central to all this that everyone jumps when we ask.

ETA This is an informative example of how the whole process works. No one in the media ever goes back to check or ask questions about any statements made by the Mc's or SY. If they did, the whole thing woulkd fall apart in five minutes.

Exactly. I still remember the aftermath of 9/11. The front page of the tabloids showing headshots of 20 or 30 evil Al Queda terrorists.....it didn't matter that many of them were mis-identified, a doctor in Australia, someone who had died whatever. As long as you flash a headline and a story in front of the publics eyes for 5 minutes, it does the trick!

by nobodythereeither 22.05.14 16:52

missmar1 wrote:Imo, it is using the Mccanns christian names during a very important public announcement about their missing daughter that is very concerning because whether or not we have a white wash advancing towards us - imo, the public will see the use of christian names as a friendly gesture from SY towards the Mccanns and therefore, the public will keep the belief that the Mccanns are still not in SY sights as possible suspects

The update on the Met website - which I presume is an accurate representation of what was said - calls them "Mr and Mrs McCann."

I think it is the press reports which have referred to "Kate and Gerry."

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And for what it's worth, I am very firmly NOT in the whitewash camp. I am optimistic that if sufficient hard evidence is found which will stand up in court, then the perpetrator/s of this crime, whatever it turns out to be, will be brought to book.

It's finding that evidence that is and has been the stumbling block, in my opinion.

by della70 22.05.14 16:57

nobodythereeither wrote:
missmar1 wrote:Imo, it is using the Mccanns christian names during a very important public announcement about their missing daughter that is very concerning because whether or not we have a white wash advancing towards us - imo, the public will see the use of christian names as a friendly gesture from SY towards the Mccanns and therefore, the public will keep the belief that the Mccanns are still not in SY sights as possible suspects

The update on the Met website - which I presume is an accurate representation of what was said - calls them "Mr and Mrs McCann."

I think it is the press reports which have referred to "Kate and Gerry."

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And for what it's worth, I am very firmly NOT in the whitewash camp. I am optimistic that if sufficient hard evidence is found which will stand up in court, then the perpetrator/s of this crime, whatever it turns out to be, will be brought to book.

It's finding that evidence that is and has been the stumbling block, in my opinion.

I saw that too , but went back and can't find it , Thought at the time reading they must be reading comments on here.

by missmar1 22.05.14 16:58

Thanks to nobodythereeither.

Ahhh so its the press giving the friendly gestures ( Kate and Gerry) not SY - thats a relief !

by Guest 22.05.14 16:58

Garrincha wrote:Rowley is quoted as saying: If you get any information ahead of our actions do not publish anything that may give suspects advance notice.

I wonder, I wonder, who is he really referring to?

I wonder too Garrincha.

I am hoping he was generally communicating with the UK press, though it was reported other countries' journalists were present I know.

I long to believe therefore that the 'suspects' he refers to are from the UK.

by stillsloppingout 22.05.14 17:00

utahagen wrote:Stillsloppingout wrote: "...but when you have SY calling [the McCanns] by their Christian names today by there Christian names..."

Using their Christian names, as opposed to "Mr and Mrs McCann", either was just an example of decline in decorum in Europe and (even more so) in the USA, or it was a cheeky way of taunting the McCanns. I don't take referring to them as "Kate and Gerry" as an indicator that any fix is in.

Next it will be ..... " Hi Five Gerry, Hows it goin Kate Love ".[ or " the stunning ,fragrant Kate ,with solid, dependable ,athletic ,toned, Gerald" ] clapping

They should ALWAYS be referred to as Mr and Mrs McCann .

The Police are it seems starstruck also. and more importantly it is done to show the public they are mates of the McCanns . Sadly IMO it is not for show, just the guard slipping, and the persons [ police officer's ] real emotions showing .

by Newintown 22.05.14 17:01

nobodythereeither wrote:
missmar1 wrote:Imo, it is using the Mccanns christian names during a very important public announcement about their missing daughter that is very concerning because whether or not we have a white wash advancing towards us - imo, the public will see the use of christian names as a friendly gesture from SY towards the Mccanns and therefore, the public will keep the belief that the Mccanns are still not in SY sights as possible suspects

The update on the Met website - which I presume is an accurate representation of what was said - calls them "Mr and Mrs McCann."

I think it is the press reports which have referred to "Kate and Gerry."

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

And for what it's worth, I am very firmly NOT in the whitewash camp. I am optimistic that if sufficient hard evidence is found which will stand up in court, then the perpetrator/s of this crime, whatever it turns out to be, will be brought to book.

It's finding that evidence that is and has been the stumbling block, in my opinion.

And was one of the reasons the PJ shelved the case until something substantial came along which would warrant them re-opening it.

The McCanns know this and know they have hindered the investigation since 3rd May 2007 and are damn well not going to put themselves out to help the PJ, SY or Madeleine. As Oscar Pistorius said in the witness box in SA to the State prosecutor "he was fighting for his life", no mention by him that he took Reeva's life in that statement. It was all about him.

Same as the McCanns - they are fighting for their lives until the bitter end. Everything has been about them since 3rd May 2007.

by stillsloppingout 22.05.14 17:08

stillsloppingout wrote:
utahagen wrote:Stillsloppingout wrote: "...but when you have SY calling [the McCanns] by their Christian names today by there Christian names..."

Using their Christian names, as opposed to "Mr and Mrs McCann", either was just an example of decline in decorum in Europe and (even more so) in the USA, or it was a cheeky way of taunting the McCanns. I don't take referring to them as "Kate and Gerry" as an indicator that any fix is in.
Next it will be ..... " Hi Five Gerry, Hows it goin Kate Love ".[ or " the stunning ,fragrant Kate ,with solid, dependable ,athletic ,toned, Gerald" ] They should ALWAYS be referred to as Mr and Mrs McCann .

The Police are it seems starstruck also. and more importantly it is done to show the public they are mates of the McCanns . Sadly IMO it is not for show, just the guard slipping, and the persons [ police officer's ] real emotions showing .

Ok i have read that SY referred to them as MR and Mrs , but why inform them of the progress . and why the two week plus break in activities . ? why during there high season ? .

by canada12 22.05.14 17:08

Same as the McCanns - they are fighting for their lives until the bitter end.

As their T-shirts so eloquently put it the other day... "Never giving up...."

by Guest 22.05.14 17:12

Newintown wrote:

The McCanns know this and know they have hindered the investigation since 3rd May 2007 and are damn well not going to put themselves out to help the PJ, SY or Madeleine. As Oscar Pistorius said on the witness statement in SA "he was fighting for his life", no mention of him taking Reeva's life in that statement.

Same as the McCanns - they are fighting for their lives until the bitter end.

I think I remember Gerry using almost those very words after they were made arguidos (I can find the quote if necessary).

They have continually, from the beginning, portrayed themselves as the victims in this. Poor Madeleine's fate wasn't the worry, just Me. Me, Me.

Only imo of course.

by della70 22.05.14 17:17

Sadly I think todays new's is about have Maddie Declaired Dead , End of investigation.

by tasprin 22.05.14 17:19

canada12 wrote:Same as the McCanns - they are fighting for their lives until the bitter end.

As their T-shirts so eloquently put it the other day... "Never giving up...."

"Never giving ourselves up..."

by missmar1 22.05.14 17:26

I agree stillsloppingout,

The fact that SY says the Mccanns will be informed is very strange ?

Surely, with them being on file as not using the opportunity to clear themselves means imo, that SY, rather than keeping them informed ,should be looking at Madeleines parents possible involvement along with all the other avenues of possible scenarios as to how this little girl has just disappeared off the face of the earth ?

edited in case i was stating something that was not fact.

by jeanmonroe 22.05.14 17:26

Mr Rowley echoed Kate McCann's calls for restraint in media coverage of the case, and said: "I want to be able to go back to Kate and Gerry at some stage in the future and tell them we've got to the bottom of this, or second best is to go back to them and say we've turned over every stone and we can't get to an answer sometimes."
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DID Mr Rowley SAY that?

Not in 'official' Grange 'update' he didn't.

As he did NOT say the words 'attributed' to HIM, from WHERE and WHO did that particular 'sentence' come from?

by Newintown 22.05.14 17:28

della70 wrote:Sadly I think todays new's is about have Maddie Declaired Dead , End of investigation.

If that happens there may be a huge backlash. There are so many loose ends that haven't been tied up - contradictions in witness statements, contradictions in interviews given by the McCanns (all recorded for posterity), contradictions in KM's book, the findings of Eddie and Keela. If the dogs are ignored that will start a huge precedence in future findings by blood and cadaver dogs in criminal cases and could also negate findings of dogs in cases in the past. A huge risk for SY to take.

As cadaver odour takes over an hour to form it throws a spanner in the works of an "abductor" taking Madeleine out of the apartment in the space of 5 minutes or so.

by russiandoll 22.05.14 17:33

The " checking " timeline will be proven to be a lie [ if I have done my sums correctly].

Now, why would they lie about that?

by Guest 22.05.14 17:36

della70 wrote:Sadly I think todays new's is about have Maddie Declaired Dead , End of investigation.

That is just not possible.

If they finally declare Maddie deceased the investigation has to discover how a 3 year old child suddenly died, surely? In fact it may be the beginning of yet another investigation. sad1

by russiandoll 22.05.14 17:38

daffodil wrote:
Garrincha wrote:Rowley is quoted as saying: If you get any information ahead of our actions do not publish anything that may give suspects advance notice.

I wonder, I wonder, who is he really referring to?

I wonder too Garrincha.

I am hoping he was generally communicating with the UK press, though it was reported other countries' journalists were present I know.

I long to believe therefore that the 'suspects' he refers to are from the UK.

It is an intriguing request. He clearly does not want leaks from the media re the investigation and so logic would suggest that SY will not be leaking like a sieve.

So where would the information to the media be coming from?

Who else apart from the police would give the media " information" ?

by worriedmum 22.05.14 17:40

endgame wrote:
gbwales wrote:

Mr Rowley did not give details about what the next phase would involve, but said officers were working through every credible line of inquiry as part of the "slog of a major investigation".

In fairness, they have pretty much exhausted all the incredible lines of inquiry...
Unfortunately they appear to be completely avoiding the most credible line of enquiry i.e the one based on evidence rather than hearsay, speculation, fantasy or the ability to sell newspapers.

by della70 22.05.14 17:42

daffodil wrote:
della70 wrote:Sadly I think todays new's is about have Maddie Declaired Dead , End of investigation.

That is just not possible.

If they finally declare Maddie deceased the investigation has to discover how a 3 year old child suddenly died, surely? In fact it may be the beginning of yet another investigation.

I have no idea , it's just all this is more than any other year and its now been 7yrs which is the legal requirement

by missmar1 22.05.14 17:43

Hi russiondoll,

I suppose we could think about the leaks could come from various media itself if it camped out in and around Portugal hoping to pick up its own snippets of info and rush to report back to camp .

by nobodythereeither 22.05.14 17:47

della70 wrote:
nobodythereeither wrote:
missmar1 wrote:Imo, it is using the Mccanns christian names during a very important public announcement about their missing daughter that is very concerning because whether or not we have a white wash advancing towards us - imo, the public will see the use of christian names as a friendly gesture from SY towards the Mccanns and therefore, the public will keep the belief that the Mccanns are still not in SY sights as possible suspects

The update on the Met website - which I presume is an accurate representation of what was said - calls them "Mr and Mrs McCann."

I think it is the press reports which have referred to "Kate and Gerry."

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

And for what it's worth, I am very firmly NOT in the whitewash camp. I am optimistic that if sufficient hard evidence is found which will stand up in court, then the perpetrator/s of this crime, whatever it turns out to be, will be brought to book.

It's finding that evidence that is and has been the stumbling block, in my opinion.
I saw that too , but went back and can't find it , Thought at the time reading they must be reading comments on here.

No, the reference to "Mr and Mrs McCann" has been on that page since the beginning.

It's still there.

ETA: “We will be updating Mr and Mrs McCann throughout the activity as we have been throughout the investigation.

ETA: And I don't read anything into that, either. Of course they update the parents of a missing child. Until ....

What exactly they are updating them about is, of course, a different matter ......

by Newintown 22.05.14 17:47

russiandoll wrote:
daffodil wrote:
Garrincha wrote:Rowley is quoted as saying: If you get any information ahead of our actions do not publish anything that may give suspects advance notice.

I wonder, I wonder, who is he really referring to?

I wonder too Garrincha.

I am hoping he was generally communicating with the UK press, though it was reported other countries' journalists were present I know.

I long to believe therefore that the 'suspects' he refers to are from the UK.

It is an intriguing request. He clearly does not want leaks from the media re the investigation and so logic would suggest that SY will not be leaking like a sieve.

So where would the information to the media be coming from?

Who else apart from the police would give the media " information" ?

re: the line in red.

All very intruiging. As nobody outside SY and the PJ know who the suspects may be how can anyone give them advance notice, unless the press have already been tipped off and SY are warning the press not to jump the gun with any findings that may come out from the digs.

If that makes sense (I'm confused myself now). smilie

by missmar1 22.05.14 17:56

How can a senior met officer announce they will be updating the Mccanns as they have done throughout the activity ? Imo, this announcement alone implies to the public that SY have no qualms or suspicions about Madeleines parents involvement whatsoever.