"Digging" with a helicopter (continued from 'digging at resort')

jeanmonroe wrote:Okeydokey

I think he told the Police he was in or near the doorway but in the mockumentary "reconstruction" he's standing a good 3-4 feet away from the doorway and swearing blind that's as far as he went.  And yet in semi-darkness he also claims he could see the rise and fall of the twins' chests through the mesh sidings of the cots!  Literally incredible.
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Ah yes. BUT, to be fair, he was wearing the similar 'majik' glasses, that K&G were wearing. Which enabled them to 'have a clear line of sight of their kids' even through the solid brick walls of their apartment 150 feet away, whilst BOTH having their BACKS to apartment  5A as they tell us in their signed statements!

Woofer wrote:

Professor Marvel wrote:

littlepixie wrote:With all this talk of digging for a body, does anyone remember a beach picture being discussed either on here, or 3A (think it was here) It was a blurred picture of a couple on the beach at the base of Rocha Negra and there was speculation as to who it was and if they had a bag with them.
I've looked everywhere for it but don't know how to search for just images.

eta Will search my posts to see if it's on here

Is this it ?
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Gosh - where did you find it Prof.Marvel?  I have been searching through my history cos I only came across it last week when searching for something else - still can`t find where I saw it.

Okeydokey wrote:

lj wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:

mariola wrote:

Andrew77R wrote:

Watching wrote:why would oldfield the one who knew Mr & Mrs & family least, be one to go in 5A and check on their children?

He didn't.

Simples.

I thought Oldfield checked but didn,t enter the room,saw the twins but not Maddie.

Oldfield claims that is what he did.

IIRC he did not go in (excuse for not seeing Madeleine), but he saw the twins in their cots, breathing.

I think he told the Police he was in or near the doorway but in the mockumentary "reconstruction" he's standing a good 3-4 feet away from the doorway and swearing blind that's as far as he went.  And yet in semi-darkness he also claims he could see the rise and fall of the twins' chests through the mesh sidings of the cots!  Literally incredible.

gbwales wrote:The original of that photo - linked to in the other thread - is a decent size (over 2600px wide) and you can see quite a lot in it. Not sure what they have (possibly more like a parasol and something, though black/dark is an odd colour for a parasol!) but it's definitely not K&G.

Andrew77R wrote:
What Oldfield says he did and what he actually did are 2 different things.

IMO he didn't set foot in 5a at all when he claimed to see the twins breathing. AS HE DID NOT DO A CHECK.

It's nonsense.

I think he volunteered himself to be a 'checker' when scribbling down the pathetic timelines on the sticker book. Then later realised he had put himself in a very awkward situation to be the last person to see her.

So he backtracked with more nonsense about not actually seeing MBM on his 'check' but he did see the twins breathing. 

Again, it's nonsense. Just like most of the stuff Oldfield has spouted.

Pershing36 wrote:Has any excavation started, or is this just another non-starter by the UK press?

ChippyM wrote:

Pershing36 wrote:Has any excavation started, or is this just another non-starter by the UK press?

 It doesn't look like anything has started. Apart from the press we do have SY pictured taking photos in a helicopter, so it is possible something is being planned.

   Doesn't everyone think the media silence is ominous?

Professor Marvel wrote:

Woofer wrote:

Professor Marvel wrote:

littlepixie wrote:With all this talk of digging for a body, does anyone remember a beach picture being discussed either on here, or 3A (think it was here) It was a blurred picture of a couple on the beach at the base of Rocha Negra and there was speculation as to who it was and if they had a bag with them.
I've looked everywhere for it but don't know how to search for just images.

eta Will search my posts to see if it's on here

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Gosh - where did you find it Prof.Marvel?  I have been searching through my history cos I only came across it last week when searching for something else - still can`t find where I saw it.

It's right here !

This is the page it's on, details of photographer & links to original site it was found are all here :

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Andrew77R wrote:

ChippyM wrote:

Pershing36 wrote:Has any excavation started, or is this just another non-starter by the UK press?

 It doesn't look like anything has started. Apart from the press we do have SY pictured taking photos in a helicopter, so it is possible something is being planned.

   Doesn't everyone think the media silence is ominous?

Do we know if Redwood and team are actually back out there in Portugal??

They flew back to the UK last Friday. 

Kate and Gerry asked if they could delay the searches.

Have Kate and Gerry now told Redwood to cancel the search.

Portia wrote:

Professor Marvel wrote:

Woofer wrote:

Professor Marvel wrote:

littlepixie wrote:With all this talk of digging for a body, does anyone remember a beach picture being discussed either on here, or 3A (think it was here) It was a blurred picture of a couple on the beach at the base of Rocha Negra and there was speculation as to who it was and if they had a bag with them.
I've looked everywhere for it but don't know how to search for just images.

eta Will search my posts to see if it's on here

Is this it ?
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Gosh - where did you find it Prof.Marvel?  I have been searching through my history cos I only came across it last week when searching for something else - still can`t find where I saw it.

It's right here !

This is the page it's on, details of photographer & links to original site it was found are all here :

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Good place to bury something at night, when the tide is out. Deep.
Salt water will obstruct any sniffer dog finding any trace of cadaverine, it seems. Read that somewhere.

BTW: do we have a tidetable of PDL from -say april 28th till those pics of GM and Michael Wright at the foot of Rocha Negra (NOT hunting for crabs, inquit dr GA) were shot? Might be interesting to see how the sea level was at the time

comperedna wrote:Chucking things into the sea off cliffs or burying things on a beach is a very unreliable business. The sea will return back even stuff weighted down from way offshore very often... very indviseable.

Mark Harrison wrote:I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).

Portia wrote:

. An infrared herring

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

comperedna wrote:Chucking things into the sea off cliffs or burying things on a beach is a very unreliable business. The sea will return back even stuff weighted down from way offshore very often... very indviseable.

Well Mark Harrison concluded that if a body was 'disposed' of, it was his opinion that out at sea was the most likely. Catamaran's were easily accessible weren't they? 

Mark Harrison wrote:I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).

Andrew77R wrote:

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

comperedna wrote:Chucking things into the sea off cliffs or burying things on a beach is a very unreliable business. The sea will return back even stuff weighted down from way offshore very often... very indviseable.

Well Mark Harrison concluded that if a body was 'disposed' of, it was his opinion that out at sea was the most likely. Catamaran's were easily accessible weren't they? 

Mark Harrison wrote:I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).

... and MO and RO'B were supposedly out on a Catamaran the afternoon of the 3rd of May. A mile out in the Atlantic too if you believe there version of events.

A mile out would probably be suffice to dispose of a body i would say.

Cristobell wrote:

Andrew77R wrote:

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

comperedna wrote:Chucking things into the sea off cliffs or burying things on a beach is a very unreliable business. The sea will return back even stuff weighted down from way offshore very often... very indviseable.

Well Mark Harrison concluded that if a body was 'disposed' of, it was his opinion that out at sea was the most likely. Catamaran's were easily accessible weren't they? 

Mark Harrison wrote:I am currently of the opinion on the available information and statistical datasets that if death has occurred, that it is possible that Madeleine McCann’s body has been disposed into the sea at Praia da Luz. (See my second report entitled “NPIA OP TASK Search Doc Beach and Marine”).

... and MO and RO'B were supposedly out on a Catamaran the afternoon of the 3rd of May. A mile out in the Atlantic too if you believe there version of events.

A mile out would probably be suffice to dispose of a body i would say.

According to the dogs, the body was moved in the car a couple of weeks after the tapas friends left PDL.  

If the body was thrown in the sea on the night, or even anytime after, why was there the smell of cadaver in the car?

Cristobell wrote:According to the dogs, the body was moved in the car a couple of weeks after the tapas friends left PDL.  

If the body was thrown in the sea on the night, or even anytime after, why was there the smell of cadaver in the car?

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

Cristobell wrote:According to the dogs, the body was moved in the car a couple of weeks after the tapas friends left PDL.  

If the body was thrown in the sea on the night, or even anytime after, why was there the smell of cadaver in the car?

It is a good question Cristobell. Has there been another case where a car not in the possession of possible suspects for weeks after a victim disappears but then tests positive for cadaver scent/blood?

It is such a unusual scenario that it is very difficult to work out how it could come about.

PeterMac wrote:I am getting slightly confused. (!)
Are we now being asked to believe that between Gerry's last sighting at 9.15 - ish and the entire village charging around looikng for a lost child 10.30- ish
our favourite Abductor
Got into the apartment through the window, front door with duplicate key, or patio door,
Sedated three children
seized one and abducted her
"assaulted" her in some way - which was the original purpose of the exercise
killer her, accidentally or deliberately
dug a hole in a convenient car park
buried her, and concealed the grave so well that it was undetectable by all the hundreds of people searching not only that night but during the following weeks during daylight with dogs and helicopter.

And are we to believe that Smithman is still carrying the child around 10 - ish, and so logically must do the burial AFTER that time, but BEFORE the balloon goes up three minutes later . . .

With Tannerman we had a window or opportunity for a simple abduction of one minute and 20 seconds.
With Smithman we have a window of opportunity for digging a grave and performing a burial  - of around three minutes.
Which is not much of an improvement ! (Small wonder that the McCanns officially want to stick with Tannerman)

Try digging a grave.  Even a grave for a dog takes a long time and requires a spade.  And in Southern Portugal probably a pick axe as well, even in May
You have to go two spits deep at least, probably three.
1m x 25 cm x 75 cm is very nearly 0.2 m3
About half a tonne of soil (assuming a SG of 2.5)
And of course it all has to be flattened out and re-planted so that the PJ and their dogs do not find it that night, or notice it over the next week.

Can ANYONE, even the most rabid Pro-Child-Neglect apologist, honestly say they could believe that Smithman could do this in the time allowed - or at all ?

Cristobell wrote:
  The use of the car, imo, rules out the body being thrown in the sea.