Re: "Digging" with a helicopter (continued from 'digging at resort')

by **PeterMac** 14.05.14 17:14

Andrew77R wrote:
A proper investigation should be concerned with the last person/people who saw MBM alive.
Starting with Gerry.
Then Kate.
Then the rest of the flamin tapas lot.

Quite

People surely don’t have to be very intelligent to follow this
People surely don't have to be lawyers or a police officers to follow this
Surely anyone, even pro-child-neglecters, can follow this.

You surely just need to have more then two working brain cells to follow this -
Plus an open mind, of course

The dogs indicated a deceased human had been in the apartment.
The dogs indicated items associated with a deceased human in many other places - all associated with the McCanns - AND IN NO OTHER PLACES
The Parents LIED to their close family and friends about the shutters
A parent LIED to the police about the point of entry
A parent LIED to the police about the state of the curtains
A parent LIED to the police about gusts of wind
The parents LIED to the world about the date on which a photo was taken
and so on and on

This is not a conclusion arrived at after 6 years of intensive study of the files, after extensive use of the HOLMES II and ANACAPA computer systems
This is not a conclusion arrived at by a team of 30 experienced and long serving detectives . . . and requiring a complicated logical algorithm and an intellectual leap to grasp.

This is WHERE YOU START.

This is what you put INTO the computer.

by ultimaThule 14.05.14 17:38

It would appear that Leicestershire Police had no need to put anything into any computer to reach the conclusion that "While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance".

A conclusion that 'staggered' G&K because, as told in Exhbit KH1, the Assistant Chief Constable for LP had 'come out to Portugal shortly after Madeleine's abduction' and had seen the pair at their 'most grief-stricken'.

by **PeterMac** 14.05.14 17:42

ultimaThule wrote:It would appear that Leicestershire Police had no need to put anything into any computer to reach the conclusion that "While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance".

A conclusion that 'staggered' G&K because, as told in Exhbit KH1, the Assistant Chief Constable for LP had 'come out to Portugal shortly after Madeleine's abduction' and had seen the pair at their 'most grief-stricken'.

AT or ACT-ing ?

by Mirage 14.05.14 17:53

PeterMac wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:
A proper investigation should be concerned with the last person/people who saw MBM alive.
Starting with Gerry.
Then Kate.
Then the rest of the flamin tapas lot.
Quite
People surely don’t have to be very intelligent to follow this
People surely don't have to be lawyers or a police officers to follow this
Surely anyone, even pro-child-neglecters, can follow this.

You surely just need to have more then two working brain cells to follow this -
Plus an open mind, of course

The dogs indicated a deceased human had been in the apartment.
The dogs indicated items associated with a deceased human in many other places - all associated with the McCanns - AND IN NO OTHER PLACES
The Parents LIED to their close family and friends about the shutters
A parent LIED to the police about the point of entry
A parent LIED to the police about the state of the curtains
A parent LIED to the police about gusts of wind
The parents LIED to the world about the date on which a photo was taken
and so on and on

This is not a conclusion arrived at after 6 years of intensive study of the files, after extensive use of the HOLMES II and ANACAPA computer systems
This is not a conclusion arrived at by a team of 30 experienced and long serving detectives . . . and requiring a complicated logical algorithm and an intellectual leap to grasp.

This is WHERE YOU START.

This is what you put INTO the computer.

Given that this is where you start , where could it end? How many could potentially be charged with perverting the course of justice?

These injustices become ingrained in the British psyche and refuse to go away. They degenerate into running sores that dangerously undermine trust in democracy .

The Chilcott Inquiry and Blair's illegal war will not conveniently go away. It will be the same with the McCann case: an everlasting source of national shame and loss of standing in the world. These blights and how they are dealt with define who we are and what we stand for in the end.

by sami 14.05.14 17:55

ultimaThule wrote:

A conclusion that 'staggered' G&K because, as told in Exhbit KH1, the Assistant Chief Constable for LP had 'come out to Portugal shortly after Madeleine's abduction' and had seen the pair at their 'most grief-stricken'.

I hope he realises he witnessed a true miracle. Most of the world have yet to witness them grief stricken in any way, not to mention "most grief stricken".

by Rasputin 14.05.14 17:57

Superbly put Mirage !!!

by sofieellis 14.05.14 18:15

The parents LIED to the world about the date on which a photo was taken

Is this known for a fact? I always thought the photo doctoring was debatable?

by Clouseau 14.05.14 19:02

Is this known for a fact? I always thought the photo doctoring was debatable?
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there can be no doubt about photoshopping Gerry's elbow in or out. The question has to be by whom why when and to what extent . had to reply to this one but don't want to create a last photo debate on this thread

by RIPM 14.05.14 19:10

sofieellis wrote:The parents LIED to the world about the date on which a photo was taken

Is this known for a fact? I always thought the photo doctoring was debatable?

After meticulous investigation and critical analysis by SY and Redwood he has declared the last photo is genuine and was taken around 13.00 on Thursday 3 May and the weather was hot and sunny.

So if anyone has hard evidence that it was not Thursday and the weather not hot and sunny then Redwood is conducting a whitewash

by tiny 14.05.14 19:37

RIPM wrote:
sofieellis wrote:The parents LIED to the world about the date on which a photo was taken

Is this known for a fact? I always thought the photo doctoring was debatable?
After meticulous investigation and critical analysis by SY and Redwood he has declared the last photo is genuine and was taken around 13.00 on Thursday 3 May and the weather was hot and sunny.

So if anyone has hard evidence that it was not Thursday and the weather not hot and sunny then Redwood is conducting a whitewash

When did redwood say this, as its the first I have heard of it.

by TheTruthWillOut 14.05.14 19:39

Am I going blind and the 'Last Photo' isn't in the PJ files?

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by ultimaThule 14.05.14 19:46

PeterMac wrote:
ultimaThule wrote:It would appear that Leicestershire Police had no need to put anything into any computer to reach the conclusion that "While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance".

A conclusion that 'staggered' G&K because, as told in Exhbit KH1, the Assistant Chief Constable for LP had 'come out to Portugal shortly after Madeleine's abduction' and had seen the pair at their 'most grief-stricken'.
AT or ACT-ing ?

Despite having had 7 years to learn the craft, the non-dynamic duo don't appear to possess any acting skills worth mentioning, PeterM and I therefore suspect LP's ACC saw the pair 'at' their most grief stricken, either propping up the bar at the Tapas or at one of the luncheons they gave for ambassadors, consulates, lawyers, and other visiting dignitaries, with catering so thoughtfully provided by MW.

by ultimaThule 14.05.14 19:48

tiny wrote:
RIPM wrote:
sofieellis wrote:The parents LIED to the world about the date on which a photo was taken

Is this known for a fact? I always thought the photo doctoring was debatable?
After meticulous investigation and critical analysis by SY and Redwood he has declared the last photo is genuine and was taken around 13.00 on Thursday 3 May and the weather was hot and sunny.

So if anyone has hard evidence that it was not Thursday and the weather not hot and sunny then Redwood is conducting a whitewash
When did redwood say this, as its the first I have heard of it.

I haven't heard of it either, tiny. Maybe we blinked at the same time?

by ShuBob 14.05.14 20:08

I, too, am unaware of that conclusion re the "Last" photo.

by stargazer59 14.05.14 20:34

ShuBob wrote:I, too, am unaware of that conclusion re the "Last" photo.

I may be wrong but i think he is saying that if SY accept the picture is genuine, then you can be sure it is a cover up!

by SixMillionQuid 14.05.14 20:56

TheTruthWillOut wrote:Am I going blind and the 'Last Photo' isn't in the PJ files?

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Even though Kate's camera was on the living table on 3/4th May 2007, as photographed by the PJ, the last photo mysteriously appeared in the press after Mr McCann made a trip to the UK. I think one of the T7 was searching for suitable pictures on the 3/4th May 2007 but didn't notice the last photo.

by TheTruthWillOut 14.05.14 21:18

SixMillionQuid wrote:
TheTruthWillOut wrote:Am I going blind and the 'Last Photo' isn't in the PJ files?

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Even though Kate's camera was on the living table on 3/4th May 2007, as photographed by the PJ, the last photo mysteriously appeared in the press after Mr McCann made a trip to the UK. I think one of the T7 was searching for suitable pictures on the 3/4th May 2007 but didn't notice the last photo.

Then that should tell everyone all they need to know....One big red flag. As far as I'm aware, even Amaral hasn't mentioned this last photo oddity?

I just can't believe how many blatant things in this case seem to be completely ignored. confused

by littlepixie 14.05.14 21:20

With all this talk of digging for a body, does anyone remember a beach picture being discussed either on here, or 3A (think it was here) It was a blurred picture of a couple on the beach at the base of Rocha Negra and there was speculation as to who it was and if they had a bag with them.
I've looked everywhere for it but don't know how to search for just images.

eta Will search my posts to see if it's on here

by ultimaThule 14.05.14 21:34

stargazer59 wrote:
ShuBob wrote:I, too, am unaware of that conclusion re the "Last" photo.
I may be wrong but i think he is saying that if SY accept the picture is genuine, then you can be sure it is a cover up!

I have no doubt K&G want to believe they'll be exonerated of complicity in the disappearance of their eldest daugher, but it seems to me that, even if 'the last photo' is declared genuine which afaik it hasn't been, their beliefs are destined to be riddled with doubt.

by gbwales 14.05.14 22:14

The "last photo" is indeed not among the pictures on the PJ files. And yes it appeared long after photos were requested, handed over etc and Gerry said in a sworn statement he had no other photos in his possession.

by gbwales 14.05.14 22:17

TheTruthWillOut... Yes, it is strange that Amaral does not really explore the problems with the last photo. In his book he says how he notices the camera shown on the table and says how it will be crucial to get everyone's photos.

And yet nobody... The McCanns, their friends or the PJ seems to have noticed this image which the McCanns insist is so important, in going through photos in the days following the disappearance. Or maybe never saw it.

by Professor Marvel 14.05.14 22:43

littlepixie wrote:With all this talk of digging for a body, does anyone remember a beach picture being discussed either on here, or 3A (think it was here) It was a blurred picture of a couple on the beach at the base of Rocha Negra and there was speculation as to who it was and if they had a bag with them.
I've looked everywhere for it but don't know how to search for just images.

eta Will search my posts to see if it's on here

Is this it ?
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by littlepixie 14.05.14 22:48

Sorry PRoffessor Marvel, I gave thanks to the wrong person. I've got a mini-crisis here tonight so not concentrating properly spin

by littlepixie 14.05.14 22:52

Is it a real picture or is it a postcard? I was just thinking about something someone said (was it Paulo Saegento or somebody with a name like that) about the beach at dawn.

by whatliesbehindthesofa 14.05.14 22:58

littlepixie wrote:Is it a real picture or is it a postcard? I was just thinking about something someone said (was it Paulo Saegento or somebody with a name like that) about the beach at dawn.

I immediately thought 'postcard'. It has the border of a postcard! big grin

by worriedmum 14.05.14 23:27

was it some-one /something called 'oddity finder' ?

by Woofer 15.05.14 0:16

Professor Marvel wrote:
littlepixie wrote:With all this talk of digging for a body, does anyone remember a beach picture being discussed either on here, or 3A (think it was here) It was a blurred picture of a couple on the beach at the base of Rocha Negra and there was speculation as to who it was and if they had a bag with them.
I've looked everywhere for it but don't know how to search for just images.

eta Will search my posts to see if it's on here

Is this it ?
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Gosh - where did you find it Prof.Marvel? I have been searching through my history cos I only came across it last week when searching for something else - still can`t find where I saw it.

by lj 15.05.14 0:24

Ladyinred wrote:
mariola wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:
Watching wrote:why would oldfield the one who knew Mr & Mrs & family least, be one to go in 5A and check on their children?
He didn't.

Simples.
I thought Oldfield checked but didn,t enter the room,saw the twins but not Maddie.

Oldfield claims that is what he did.

IIRC he did not go in (excuse for not seeing Madeleine), but he saw the twins in their cots, breathing.

by jeanmonroe 15.05.14 1:04

The Chilcott Inquiry and Blair's illegal war will not conveniently go away. It will be the same with the McCann case: an everlasting source of national shame and loss of standing in the world. These blights and how they are dealt with define who we are and what we stand for in the end.
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Perhaps even at this very moment, the MET's most experienced 'child abductor' expert, DCI Andy Redwood, is leading the 38 strong, solely dedicated, UK 'team' on the trail of the 300 'abducted' Nigerian girls!

Would explain his hasty retreat from PDL.

The Foreign Ofiice would neither confirm or deny that the 'abductors' of the Nigerian girls were wearing unique super bock T-shirts, were pot bellied and whiffed a bit, thought to be highly significant, by the expert, and that they had used a white van in the 'abduction'

IF DCI Redwood is 'on the Nigerian case' the UK elite 'Nigerian Cops' from the MET should have them returned to their families sometime before 2173.

by Okeydokey 15.05.14 1:11

lj wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:
mariola wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:
Watching wrote:why would oldfield the one who knew Mr & Mrs & family least, be one to go in 5A and check on their children?
He didn't.

Simples.
I thought Oldfield checked but didn,t enter the room,saw the twins but not Maddie.

Oldfield claims that is what he did.

IIRC he did not go in (excuse for not seeing Madeleine), but he saw the twins in their cots, breathing.

I think he told the Police he was in or near the doorway but in the mockumentary "reconstruction" he's standing a good 3-4 feet away from the doorway and swearing blind that's as far as he went. And yet in semi-darkness he also claims he could see the rise and fall of the twins' chests through the mesh sidings of the cots! Literally incredible.