"Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Clay Regazzoni wrote:Well, I must say this is all very biblical. Looks like they've well and truly picked the bones of the seven fat cows.....

Quite by chance I caught A Place In The Sun (or as it's known in our house, A Pain In the Arse) on C4 yesterday afternoon. They looked at apartments in PdL and Burgau, and spoke to Sally Eveleigh. All very subliminal.

Has anybody else seen the movie Holes? It was the first thing I thought of when I heard the latest news.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

russiandoll wrote:

ChippyM wrote:I'm just being devil's advocate here but IF a body is found, would the Mc's really be in trouble? They could still argue their abduction theory as the body would be unlikely to reveal much at this stage......that is unless there is strong supporting evidence such as phone records, that ties them to the place where the body is found.

   Question :  Who would have reason to remove and bury the body, rather than leave it in 5a?

russiandoll wrote:

ChippyM wrote:I'm just being devil's advocate here but IF a body is found, would the Mc's really be in trouble? They could still argue their abduction theory as the body would be unlikely to reveal much at this stage......that is unless there is strong supporting evidence such as phone records, that ties them to the place where the body is found.

   Question :  Who would have reason to remove and bury the body, rather than leave it in 5a?

ChippyM wrote:I'm just being devil's advocate here but IF a body is found, would the Mc's really be in trouble? They could still argue their abduction theory as the body would be unlikely to reveal much at this stage....

Tangled Web wrote:If this is all happening and we're getting closer to the truth then brilliant.

What I don't understand is the timing. After seven long years, the McCann's leading up to this anniversary, finally start mentioning the possibility of death (shortly after Redwood mentioned it). Immediately after the anniversary, the PJ are digging up half of the Algarve. Why now?

.....

Tangled Web.

Dee Coy wrote:

Watching wrote:

In the Madeleine McCann case the Attorney General's Office [[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]] has agreed to the request from the British police for searches and excavations to be done in Praia da Luz. The request appears in the latest letter rogatory...

. ...What remains now is to set the dates and how they will be performed.

...The British police also asked to be present at the time that those actions are carried out by the Portuguese inspectors, but that decision lies with the National Direction of the PJ and has not yet been taken...

...With this new path and although it is not officially confirmed, they are admitting, for the first time the possibility of Madeleine being dead.

Watching wrote:
A Portuguese police source has told The Portugal News that some requests by Scotland Yard detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have been “rejected due to a total lack of foundation.”...

...The ruling was made by a Portuguese criminal judge tasked with issuing search warrants applied for by the Metropolitan Police Service in the third and latest international letter of request sent to Lisbon earlier this year....

...The police source stressed that contrary to latest newspaper reports both in Britain and Portugal, no digging has been scheduled with regards to the investigation...  ... but said no date for these operations had been set.

...But he reasoned that “if they are planning excavations, it means that they are looking for a body.”

...The source stressed: “All scenarios remain open."....

....Scotland Yard were not immediately for comment on the refusal of some their requests, which are believed to total no fewer than 278.

This "Portuguese police source" tell us an awful lot here. He tells us:

- There have been around 278 requests made by SY to the PJ.

- Many have been dismissed as having no foundation.

- The ONE request that has been granted is for a dig.

- The dig is only reasonable if a body is being searched for, the dig is granted on the premise that a body is being searched for.

- The Portuguese will orchestrate and undertake the dig.

- SY have asked to be present, this request is still being considered.

- The PJ must therefore always be responsible for the undertaking of the requests.

- The have declined to waste their time on unfounded leads in up to 277 attempts to be distracted from their own investigations.

- The PJ feel the ONLY request worth investigation is the search for a body.

- They will do so when and where they decide.

IMO, this whole excercise has being designed by the PJ to reiterate that they are in charge in Portugal and they have their own investigation and direction. Most of the British tugging on sleeves has been rejected apart from the one which compliments their own ends - the search for a body only.

It is the Portuguese not the British by doing this now who are showing the world the real likelihood of Madeleine's fate. SY are forced to acknowledge that this sole request has been agreed but up to 277 smokescreens have been blown away.

This is why IMO, after the furore in a couple of papers yesterday there is deathly silence today.

ChippyM wrote:

russiandoll wrote:

ChippyM wrote:I'm just being devil's advocate here but IF a body is found, would the Mc's really be in trouble? They could still argue their abduction theory as the body would be unlikely to reveal much at this stage......that is unless there is strong supporting evidence such as phone records, that ties them to the place where the body is found.

   Question :  Who would have reason to remove and bury the body, rather than leave it in 5a?

 I know the answer to that one of course but I think my reasoning still stands. A Body alone does not automatically implicate anyone in particular.


     It would be great for SY and PJ to make such a significant discovery though....and then go from there.

PeterMac wrote:

ChippyM wrote:I'm just being devil's advocate here but IF a body is found, would the Mc's really be in trouble? They could still argue their abduction theory as the body would be unlikely to reveal much at this stage....

IF a body is found, it will then depend Where.
Anywhere within the reasonable vicinity or confines of PdL means that there is no time in any of the McCanns' Window of Opportunity,  - even a revised one with Tanner and Oldfield both admitting they lied - for Madeleine to have died, for cadaverine to develop, then for the body to be moved and then buried, during the early evening, when it was still relatively light, with no one noticing.
It MUST mean that she was dead much earlier than the McCann' statements say.
In which case they are lying.
Not really a surprise, just another on the long list.

The beach is overlooked by several restaurants, some of which would have been open, so a man burying a child at 9.15pom might JUST attract attention.
and so on.

Further inland, of course is a totally different kettle of rotting Sea Bass

ChippyM wrote:

Tangled Web wrote:If this is all happening and we're getting closer to the truth then brilliant.

What I don't understand is the timing. After seven long years, the McCann's leading up to this anniversary, finally start mentioning the possibility of death (shortly after Redwood mentioned it). Immediately after the anniversary, the PJ are digging up half of the Algarve. Why now?

.....

Tangled Web.

 I think the Mc's mentioned it to 'get in there first' so to speak, so they can try and spin any forthcoming discovery.

Tangled Web wrote:If this is all happening and we're getting closer to the truth then brilliant.

What I don't understand is the timing. After seven long years, the McCann's leading up to this anniversary, finally start mentioning the possibility of death (shortly after Redwood mentioned it). Immediately after the anniversary, the PJ are digging up half of the Algarve. Why now?

Could it be a police tactic to add pressure on those involved to fess up??? There must be a few people getting pretty twitchy on hearing about all of this digging and dogs.

Tangled Web.

HelenMeg wrote:It just seems odd. I tend to think that SY are playing out a game - and this is designed to make certain people react. They surely cant be intending to dig random holes so it must be based on something.

1. To create further problems for tourism in PdL so that PJ put them in the loop
2. It is based on real information received
3. It is just a threat and they expect someone to 'break' on hearing about the dig
4. It is based on theory only that the body is in these locations
5. It is not to find a body - but to find evidence e.g. cleaning tools / clothes etc etc 

It is just odd - but then we only hear the bits of information that is reported - I just hope that it is worrying news for someone - if not it will be a waste of time

ChippyM wrote:

russiandoll wrote:

ChippyM wrote:I'm just being devil's advocate here but IF a body is found, would the Mc's really be in trouble? They could still argue their abduction theory as the body would be unlikely to reveal much at this stage......that is unless there is strong supporting evidence such as phone records, that ties them to the place where the body is found.

   Question :  Who would have reason to remove and bury the body, rather than leave it in 5a?

 I know the answer to that one of course but I think my reasoning still stands. A Body alone does not automatically implicate anyone in particular.


     It would be great for SY and PJ to make such a significant discovery though....and then go from there.

HelenMeg wrote:It just seems odd. I tend to think that SY are playing out a game - and this is designed to make certain people react. They surely cant be intending to dig random holes so it must be based on something.

1. To create further problems for tourism in PdL so that PJ put them in the loop
2. It is based on real information received
3. It is just a threat and they expect someone to 'break' on hearing about the dig
4. It is based on theory only that the body is in these locations
5. It is not to find a body - but to find evidence e.g. cleaning tools / clothes etc etc 

It is just odd - but then we only hear the bits of information that is reported - I just hope that it is worrying news for someone - if not it will be a waste of time

Woofer wrote:

.....
Agree Tangled Web - why now?  It all seems contrived to me, to coincide with the 7th anniversary which, as always, means that TM are controlling everything.  There would be no remaining evidence after 7 years of decomposition.

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:Just a thought - if a body is found, then perhaps other things were buried with it that certain people didn't want found.

MILLIE wrote:

HelenMeg wrote:It just seems odd. I tend to think that SY are playing out a game - and this is designed to make certain people react. They surely cant be intending to dig random holes so it must be based on something.

1. To create further problems for tourism in PdL so that PJ put them in the loop
2. It is based on real information received
3. It is just a threat and they expect someone to 'break' on hearing about the dig
4. It is based on theory only that the body is in these locations
5. It is not to find a body - but to find evidence e.g. cleaning tools / clothes etc etc 

It is just odd - but then we only hear the bits of information that is reported - I just hope that it is worrying news for someone - if not it will be a waste of time

With regard to making certain people react, I don't think it's designed to make the Macs react but possible someone else. There would have been other tactics to do get the Macs to react if SY were out to pin things on them and it would have happened well before now imo. Indeed, wouldn't the most obvious such tactic have been to declare to the parents that Madeleine had been 'found' and to inform of a forthcoming (staged)  reconciliation with one of the vast number of lookalikes. The actual event may never have needed to come to fruition, just the prospect of it might serve to gauge reactions. No, Scotland Yard are not going to round up the parents; they have some other/s in mind imo. It is designed to make someone else or some others crack.

Cristobell wrote:
I was surprised that after all the furore on the social networks last night, that not one single paper has run with the digging story!

russiandoll wrote:quote woofer  :   "There would be no remaining evidence after 7 years of decomposition. "


  What makes you say that ?

Newintown wrote:

Andrew77R wrote:

TheTruthWillOut wrote:

Apologies in advance as I'll likely have this very wrong.....

Possibly items that where in direct contact with her, e.g: clothing, where placed into the Scenic to be disposed of separately?

I'm sure the more knowledgeable posters on this subject will shoot this down and/or come up with something.

Was thinking along those lines myself.

Now i'm sure if they buried MBM then she would not be wearing any item of clothing at all. IMO i don't think she was buried. More likely the body was disposed in the sea.

Anyway, if she was dead for a period of time in her pyjama's and the pyjama's were removed from her. Hidden somewhere and transported in the Renault Scenic some weeks later then would that be enough to leave a Cadaver scent??

I can't remember the exact details at this precise moment but didn't GA say that there was evidence of a body having been thawed out that was detected in the Scenic.  Perhaps someone who has a better memory than myself can put us straight on that.

Wahrheit wrote:

whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:Just a thought - if a body is found, then perhaps other things were buried with it that certain people didn't want found.

Pink blankets, you mean?

HelenMeg wrote:It just seems odd. I tend to think that SY are playing out a game - and this is designed to make certain people react. They surely cant be intending to dig random holes so it must be based on something.

1. To create further problems for tourism in PdL so that PJ put them in the loop
2. It is based on real information received
3. It is just a threat and they expect someone to 'break' on hearing about the dig
4. It is based on theory only that the body is in these locations
5. It is not to find a body - but to find evidence e.g. cleaning tools / clothes etc etc 

It is just odd - but then we only hear the bits of information that is reported - I just hope that it is worrying news for someone - if not it will be a waste of time

dantezebu wrote:Does anyone has a reference as to how GA came to his conclusion that the samples found in the scenic came from a frozen/defrosting cadaver? Is there a report of the examination of these samples under the microscope?
From the FFS report it states that "cellular material" was tested from this site and goes further to say that they cannot say which body fluid the sample was from. 
Putting these two together it is possible that the cellular material was probably in water. 
If the body had been frozen it is likely that the cells would have ruptured on defrosting so wouldn't appear as "cellular" necessarily but more likely cell fragments. So in theory there could be other explanations for the fluids if indeed they were cellular, such as a cleaning process in the car or wet cleaning materials hidden in the tyre well before disposal. 
(That's if any of the FSS report is to be believed of course.)