Re: CRIMEWATCH Update on MadeleineMcCann case tonight 19th March

by Guest 24.03.14 20:50

I've not had wifi for a few days so am catching up and have only reached p40 of this thread.

Have either of the following been considered/discussed?

Reopening of PJ investigation - if the PJ's source has stated that they reopened their investigation on the basis of these unsolved assaults on British girls, then could the crimewatch appeal be related to ILORs submitted to the UK by Portugal. This could simultaneously allow the PJ to exclude Target man from the McCann case and also help solve a number of cold cases by allowing the PJ to collect further information from UK citizens who have long left the country. IMO this could be vety useful if these cases had previously been treated as isolated incidents and the investigation into the MBM case has revealed links between them.

Bin lorry - in my experience bins are emptied through the night or very early morning in holiday resorts. This is likely to wake people who are not used to this especially British people who are lucky to get theirs emptied weekly or fortnightly. Is then the bin lorry a red herring? If the parents hadn't been disturbed by the noise then they could well have slept through Target man's night time visitations if he only sat/lay on the beds. It seems unlikely he could be a bin man as he wouldn't have time on his round to stop off and molest children.

by Guest 24.03.14 22:18

Sorry for a quick interruption,wanted to put it here so it'll be spotted easier,hope its ok mods?

just seen there's a programme on channel 4 tomorrow night(at 9 or 10pm) about missing people..ad was zoomed in on a pic of Madeleine mccann so it will be interesting to see who is on it..

by Guest 24.03.14 22:22

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It doesn't include the McCann case.

by Guest 24.03.14 22:53

Thanks NFWTD! So channel 4 are as bad as the papers using her face on their ads to get more viewers.Ridiculous! Sorry for interruption.

by Doug D 25.03.14 8:35

Article from Correio da Manha 24^th March 2014

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I have not inserted the translation as it is just about CW and 250 calls etc., then SY looking for the charity workers and adds nothing, apart from ‘the most voted comment’:

"All that has come to light about this case is merely" diversions "to divert attention from the real culprits. And our police already know there are many who are. .... The rest is bullshit"

by russiandoll 25.03.14 8:58

Having watched the first CW again, I find the production interesting. Redwood spoke about the facts, the location of 5a in relation to the tapas bar and its access from the roads. He also spoke about the layout and we saw the steps and the entrance via the patio door, the computer images showed a walk into the lounge towards the bedroom.

We saw the family arriving and entering via the front door, as would have happened, on arrival day. No pushchair on German version, but there was one in the UK version.

The evening of 3rd, Redwood limits his description to the Mcs leaving for the tapas bar at 8.30. The description of what happened that afternoon and evening was not given as a voice-over by Redwood as the film played, but by the actors playing the Mcs. A deliberate decision to arrange it this way, taken by the programme makers in agreement with SY I would guess.

Whoever wrote the script was clearly told to leave out the Payne visit. How strange was that? In both versions I saw, no Payne. No Kate going for a shower either, while the 3 children played happily [ and safely] without supervision.
These were allegedly the final hours of a live Madeleine yet key events have been whooshed from the narrative, including the last sighting of her by someone other than her parents.

How many people have read the truthful narrative of that evening in the book? Borrowed from UK libraries, bought, read then loaned to friends, family and work colleagues? These people would not need to have read a page of the files to notice the glaring omission of Payne.

ETA : WHEN YOU GOOGLE MET POLICE AND CLICK ON THE LINK FOR THE OFFICIAL SITE, THE FIRST THING YOU SEE IS THE NEW APPEAL RE THE MADDIE CASE, HUGE AT THE TOP OF THE HOME PAGE. THE CW INFO IS THERE, AS IS THE TENNIS BALLS PHOTO. THERE IS A PHOTO OF THE MAROON SHIRT AND THE 2 SMITHMAN E FITS ARE THERE. PROMINENT ON THE PAGE.

HOW PROMINENT ARE THESE ON OFM AND HAS TANNERMAN BEEN REMOVED YET, ALMOST CERTAINLY NOT MADDIE'S ABDUCTOR ACC TO REDWOOD ?

For what it is worth, that Redwood has stated doubts re abduction and is questioning whether an alive Maddie left 5a, tells me that he must have uncovered something of substance to be voicing a never before voiced opinion : a possible body in 5a. rather than a sleeping child.

by HelenMeg 25.03.14 10:31

russiandoll wrote:Having watched the first CW again, I find the production interesting. Redwood spoke about the facts, the location of 5a in relation to the tapas bar and its access from the roads. He also spoke about the layout and we saw the steps and the entrance via the patio door, the computer images showed a walk into the lounge towards the bedroom.

We saw the family arriving and entering via the front door, as would have happened, on arrival day. No pushchair on German version, but there was one in the UK version.

The evening of 3rd, Redwood limits his description to the Mcs leaving for the tapas bar at 8.30. The description of what happened that afternoon and evening was not given as a voice-over by Redwood as the film played, but by the actors playing the Mcs. A deliberate decision to arrange it this way, taken by the programme makers in agreement with SY I would guess.

Whoever wrote the script was clearly told to leave out the Payne visit. How strange was that? In both versions I saw, no Payne. No Kate going for a shower either, while the 3 children played happily [ and safely] without supervision.
These were allegedly the final hours of a live Madeleine yet key events have been whooshed from the narrative, including the last sighting of her by someone other than her parents.

How many people have read the truthful narrative of that evening in the book? Borrowed from UK libraries, bought, read then loaned to friends, family and work colleagues? These people would not need to have read a page of the files to notice the glaring omission of Payne.

ETA : WHEN YOU GOOGLE MET POLICE AND CLICK ON THE LINK FOR THE OFFICIAL SITE, THE FIRST THING YOU SEE IS THE NEW APPEAL RE THE MADDIE CASE, HUGE AT THE TOP OF THE HOME PAGE. THE CW INFO IS THERE, AS IS THE TENNIS BALLS PHOTO. THERE IS A PHOTO OF THE MAROON SHIRT AND THE 2 SMITHMAN E FITS ARE THERE. PROMINENT ON THE PAGE.

HOW PROMINENT ARE THESE ON OFM AND HAS TANNERMAN BEEN REMOVED YET, ALMOST CERTAINLY NOT MADDIE'S ABDUCTOR ACC TO REDWOOD ?

For what it is worth, that Redwood has stated doubts re abduction and is questioning whether an alive Maddie left 5a, tells me that he must have uncovered something of substance to be voicing a never before voiced opinion : a possible body in 5a. rather than a sleeping child.

So why have they left out PAYNE.?

Do they feel his visit to Kate did not occur?
Are we being brainwashed that his visit to Kate did not occur?
Have they already established everything they need to know about his visit and the part he played?

For certain, they have a significant reason as to why he is not included, and I very much doubt it is because they think it is not relevant. I think they already know how the death occurred - and they are now just concentrating on the remaining necessary 'eliminations'

by Miraflores 25.03.14 10:55

For certain, they have a significant reason as to why he is not included, and I very much doubt it is because they think it is not relevant. I think they already know how the death occurred - and they are now just concentrating on the remaining necessary 'eliminations'

I wish I could share your opinion, but I don't. I think for some reason someone has decided that he is worth protecting. Maybe he is the one who was worth protecting all along. Why? I have no idea - a handful of Drs with a good opinion of themselves doesn't make them important people in my book.

by HelenMeg 25.03.14 10:59

Miraflores wrote:
For certain, they have a significant reason as to why he is not included, and I very much doubt it is because they think it is not relevant. I think they already know how the death occurred - and they are now just concentrating on the remaining necessary 'eliminations'

I wish I could share your opinion, but I don't. I think for some reason someone has decided that he is worth protecting. Maybe he is the one who was worth protecting all along. Why? I have no idea - a handful of Drs with a good opinion of themselves doesn't make them important people in my book.

I understand what you mean - i just dont think they can 'erase' him. I dont think anyone out of the TAPAS 9 is being protected, just those on a slightly higher level . Ther has to be a cut off point for who gets protected and who doesn't. I feel DP falls below that line.

by Bishop Brennan 25.03.14 11:49

HelenMeg wrote:

I understand what you mean - i just dont think they can 'erase' him. I dont think anyone out of the TAPAS 9 is being protected, just those on a slightly higher level . Ther has to be a cut off point for who gets protected and who doesn't. I feel DP falls below that line.

If you are looking for an exit or a creating a coverup then erasing unhelpful details is a fundamental part. Also airbrushed out of history on the same program (and indeed every report in the last 3 years) are our good friends Eddie and Keela. Potentially the two most important players in this entire story. Certainly two that we can be 100% certain are not lying and don't have any hidden agenda.

But perhaps Payne and the dogs form part of "the other story". And that was not the story for CW night. But as we know from recent TV documentaries, the Portugese have Payne and the dogs very much in their storyline. We must just hope that the PJ read the right stories...

by pennylane 25.03.14 12:20

No Payne, no gain........

at least that's what the Met were hoping. They're running scared now (imo), which is why Redwood snuck in the 'dead before leaving the apartment' possibility. Now that is a Crimewatch "revelation," DCI Redwood! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

by HelenMeg 25.03.14 12:34

Bishop Brennan wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:

I understand what you mean - i just dont think they can 'erase' him. I dont think anyone out of the TAPAS 9 is being protected, just those on a slightly higher level . Ther has to be a cut off point for who gets protected and who doesn't. I feel DP falls below that line.

If you are looking for an exit or a creating a coverup then erasing unhelpful details is a fundamental part. Also airbrushed out of history on the same program (and indeed every report in the last 3 years) are our good friends Eddie and Keela. Potentially the two most important players in this entire story. Certainly two that we can be 100% certain are not lying and don't have any hidden agenda.

But perhaps Payne and the dogs form part of "the other story". And that was not the story for CW night. But as we know from recent TV documentaries, the Portugese have Payne and the dogs very much in their storyline. We must just hope that the PJ read the right stories...

Yes I agree that a 'cover up' process will have to dismiss or erase certain facts or elements. I just dont think they have chosen to 'erase' Dr Payne, merely have chosen for good reason, not to focus on that visit. Erasing Payne would highlight a cover up operation with full spotlight. I also dont think they have chosen to erase Eddie and Keela. These spaniels were a means to highlighting forensic evidence revealing death. Now that death is being acknowledged then there is good reason to suppose that Eddie and Keela played a vital part and there is no reason to think they are being airbrushed out. IMO, SY have to choose how much truth to reveal about what happened

by Guest 25.03.14 16:43

PAT BROWN ‏@ProfilerPatB · 7 mins
My new blog post - "No, Andy Redwood and Scotland Yard are not Trying to Solve the Madeleine McCann Case" #McCann [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] …

by ultimaThule 25.03.14 16:57

I can't agree with Pat Brown that "the "review" is a sham because even if Scotland Yard leaned away from the McCanns as being involved in the disappearance of their daughter, their incredible refusal to even review the physical and behavioral evidence from the crime scene and days following is astounding and unprofessional and is a standard procedure if to do no more than to clear the parents and search for overlooked clues" as, from her location on the other side of the pond, she is even less well placed than others to determine that Operation Grange have refused to review what would have been staring them in the face the minute they set to work on the PJ files.

by pennylane 25.03.14 17:28

candyfloss wrote:PAT BROWN ‏@ProfilerPatB · 7 mins
My new blog post - "No, Andy Redwood and Scotland Yard are not Trying to Solve the Madeleine McCann Case" #McCann [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] …

Well done Pat Brown and a big thank you!

We need to leave no stone unturned in exposing the corrupt circle surrounding the McCanns, and the Met's foul attempt at rewriting history. Please keep up the good work from the other side of the pond! clapping

by Mirage 25.03.14 17:51

pennylane wrote:
candyfloss wrote:PAT BROWN ‏@ProfilerPatB · 7 mins
My new blog post - "No, Andy Redwood and Scotland Yard are not Trying to Solve the Madeleine McCann Case" #McCann [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] …

Well done Pat Brown and a big thank you!

We need to leave no stone unturned in exposing the corrupt circle surrounding the McCanns, and the Met's foul attempt at rewriting history. Please keep up the good work from the other side of the pond!

Seconded. Thanks to Pat for all her endeavours. We need eyes from outside trained on the UK every bit as much as Russia does. Sad but true.

Just watched Hogan-Howe at the Home Affairs Select Committee show.. A slippery customer - and a bully IMO, judging by the way he treated the inoffensive female on the panel. No one nailed him really. But he is getting a Home Affairs Inquiry into corruption that he said wasn't necessary, like it or not.

I place all my hope in the PJ. They will need good luck and a following wind judging by the geezer I just watched. The MET needs to be dismantled IMO.

Years ago, when living in S London, I remember it was common parlance that there were three major gangs back in the day. The Krays, the Richardsons and the MET. I rejected it as nonsense at the time. But I knew, just knew, the day that Norris lout came out of court throwing punches at the public that his arrogance betrayed protected status. Plus ca change! (sorry for the missing cedilla)

by Guest 25.03.14 18:01

Plus ça change.
Try ALT+c
winkwink

by pennylane 25.03.14 20:40

Mirage wrote:
pennylane wrote:
candyfloss wrote:PAT BROWN ‏@ProfilerPatB · 7 mins
My new blog post - "No, Andy Redwood and Scotland Yard are not Trying to Solve the Madeleine McCann Case" #McCann [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] …

Well done Pat Brown and a big thank you!

We need to leave no stone unturned in exposing the corrupt circle surrounding the McCanns, and the Met's foul attempt at rewriting history. Please keep up the good work from the other side of the pond!
Seconded. Thanks to Pat for all her endeavours. We need eyes from outside trained on the UK every bit as much as Russia does. Sad but true.

Just watched Hogan-Howe at the Home Affairs Select Committee show.. A slippery customer - and a bully IMO, judging by the way he treated the inoffensive female on the panel. No one nailed him really. But he is getting a Home Affairs Inquiry into corruption that he said wasn't necessary, like it or not.

I place all my hope in the PJ. They will need good luck and a following wind judging by the geezer I just watched. The MET needs to be dismantled IMO.

Years ago, when living in S London, I remember it was common parlance that there were three major gangs back in the day. The Krays, the Richardsons and the MET. I rejected it as nonsense at the time. But I knew, just knew, the day that Norris lout came out of court throwing punches at the public that his arrogance betrayed protected status. Plus ca change! (sorry for the missing cedilla)

Yes Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe is a mega slippery character, and I absolutely agree the Met... and indeed the incestuous British Establishment, both require major dismantling and overhauling.

by HelenMeg 26.03.14 11:10

pennylane wrote:
Mirage wrote:
pennylane wrote:
candyfloss wrote:PAT BROWN ‏@ProfilerPatB · 7 mins
My new blog post - "No, Andy Redwood and Scotland Yard are not Trying to Solve the Madeleine McCann Case" #McCann [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] …

Well done Pat Brown and a big thank you!

We need to leave no stone unturned in exposing the corrupt circle surrounding the McCanns, and the Met's foul attempt at rewriting history. Please keep up the good work from the other side of the pond!
Seconded. Thanks to Pat for all her endeavours. We need eyes from outside trained on the UK every bit as much as Russia does. Sad but true.

Just watched Hogan-Howe at the Home Affairs Select Committee show.. A slippery customer - and a bully IMO, judging by the way he treated the inoffensive female on the panel. No one nailed him really. But he is getting a Home Affairs Inquiry into corruption that he said wasn't necessary, like it or not.

I place all my hope in the PJ. They will need good luck and a following wind judging by the geezer I just watched. The MET needs to be dismantled IMO.

Years ago, when living in S London, I remember it was common parlance that there were three major gangs back in the day. The Krays, the Richardsons and the MET. I rejected it as nonsense at the time. But I knew, just knew, the day that Norris lout came out of court throwing punches at the public that his arrogance betrayed protected status. Plus ca change! (sorry for the missing cedilla)
Yes Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe is a mega slippery character, and I absolutely agree the Met... and indeed the incestuous British Establishment, both require major dismantling and overhauling.

After hearing him on that radio program (in fact, the fact that he actually agreed to appear on that program was absurd) and reading about him and seeing pictures of him, I would not place any faith or trust in him.
I wonder why he became a 'Sir'. Slipper eel indeed.

by HelenMeg 26.03.14 11:14

HelenMeg wrote:
pennylane wrote:
Mirage wrote:
pennylane wrote:
candyfloss wrote:PAT BROWN ‏@ProfilerPatB · 7 mins
My new blog post - "No, Andy Redwood and Scotland Yard are not Trying to Solve the Madeleine McCann Case" #McCann [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] …

Well done Pat Brown and a big thank you!

We need to leave no stone unturned in exposing the corrupt circle surrounding the McCanns, and the Met's foul attempt at rewriting history. Please keep up the good work from the other side of the pond!
Seconded. Thanks to Pat for all her endeavours. We need eyes from outside trained on the UK every bit as much as Russia does. Sad but true.

Just watched Hogan-Howe at the Home Affairs Select Committee show.. A slippery customer - and a bully IMO, judging by the way he treated the inoffensive female on the panel. No one nailed him really. But he is getting a Home Affairs Inquiry into corruption that he said wasn't necessary, like it or not.

I place all my hope in the PJ. They will need good luck and a following wind judging by the geezer I just watched. The MET needs to be dismantled IMO.

Years ago, when living in S London, I remember it was common parlance that there were three major gangs back in the day. The Krays, the Richardsons and the MET. I rejected it as nonsense at the time. But I knew, just knew, the day that Norris lout came out of court throwing punches at the public that his arrogance betrayed protected status. Plus ca change! (sorry for the missing cedilla)
Yes Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe is a mega slippery character, and I absolutely agree the Met... and indeed the incestuous British Establishment, both require major dismantling and overhauling.
After hearing him on that radio program (in fact, the fact that he actually agreed to appear on that program was absurd) and reading about him and seeing pictures of him, I would not place any faith or trust in him.
I wonder why he became a 'Sir'. Slipper eel indeed.

He added the Hogan part of his name by deed poll. Otherwise he'd have just been plain boring Bernard Howe. (Hogan was the name of his mother ) . He started out as a lab assistant in the NHS.

by SixMillionQuid 26.03.14 12:27

When a person claims this isn't a whitewash I look at my sig.

by lj 27.03.14 7:12

SixMillionQuid wrote:When a person claims this isn't a whitewash I look at my sig.
____________________
"It is my belief that Scotland Yard was set out on a mission, not one to find out what happened to Madeleine McCann but to rewrite the history of the case in such a way that the majority of the public simply forgets the past." - The Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency

Exactly. There will not be 3 trio arrest, or a dead man dug up.There will be a story that ends there, because the doer is dead, there is not enough evidence, and Portgal does not want to operate.

by sami 27.03.14 7:18

lj wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:When a person claims this isn't a whitewash I look at my sig.
____________________
"It is my belief that Scotland Yard was set out on a mission, not one to find out what happened to Madeleine McCann but to rewrite the history of the case in such a way that the majority of the public simply forgets the past." - The Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency

Exactly. There will not be 3 trio arrest, or a dead man dug up.There will be a story that ends there, because the doer is dead, there is not enough evidence, and Portgal does not want to operate.

What happens though when the PJs investigation reaches an end and the files become public ? How will the content reflect on the SY investigation or review or whatever it is they say they are doing ?

I've no doubt it was their original intention. The re-opening in Portugal has made life very difficult for SY.

by jozi 27.03.14 9:07

lj wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:When a person claims this isn't a whitewash I look at my sig.
____________________
"It is my belief that Scotland Yard was set out on a mission, not one to find out what happened to Madeleine McCann but to rewrite the history of the case in such a way that the majority of the public simply forgets the past." - The Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency

Exactly. There will not be 3 trio arrest, or a dead man dug up.There will be a story that ends there, because the doer is dead, there is not enough evidence, and Portgal does not want to operate.

I'm leaning more to SY and Andy trying to find out what really happened (although they are going about it all wrong in my eyes, but what the heck do I know ) ? It does give me hope that Andy now thinks Maddie was dead when abducted ? If we think about this properly who or what sex offender or abductor,abducts his dead victim???.........Big Question here !!!

by Bishop Brennan 27.03.14 9:14

jozi wrote:
lj wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:When a person claims this isn't a whitewash I look at my sig.
____________________
"It is my belief that Scotland Yard was set out on a mission, not one to find out what happened to Madeleine McCann but to rewrite the history of the case in such a way that the majority of the public simply forgets the past." - The Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency

Exactly. There will not be 3 trio arrest, or a dead man dug up.There will be a story that ends there, because the doer is dead, there is not enough evidence, and Portgal does not want to operate.

I'm leaning more to SY and Andy trying to find out what really happened (although they are going about it all wrong in my eyes, but what the heck do I know ) ? It does give me hope that Andy now thinks Maddie was dead when abducted ? If we think about this properly who or what sex offender or abductor,abducts his dead victim???.........Big Question here !!!

And indeed who or what burglar does the same...? Leaving no traces of themselves, or indeed Maddie. And carefully closing and locking all doors behind them.

by jozi 27.03.14 9:44

Bishop Brennan wrote:
jozi wrote:
lj wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:When a person claims this isn't a whitewash I look at my sig.
____________________
"It is my belief that Scotland Yard was set out on a mission, not one to find out what happened to Madeleine McCann but to rewrite the history of the case in such a way that the majority of the public simply forgets the past." - The Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency

Exactly. There will not be 3 trio arrest, or a dead man dug up.There will be a story that ends there, because the doer is dead, there is not enough evidence, and Portgal does not want to operate.

I'm leaning more to SY and Andy trying to find out what really happened (although they are going about it all wrong in my eyes, but what the heck do I know ) ? It does give me hope that Andy now thinks Maddie was dead when abducted ? If we think about this properly who or what sex offender or abductor,abducts his dead victim???.........Big Question here !!!

And indeed who or what burglar does the same...? Leaving no traces of themselves, or indeed Maddie. And carefully closing and locking all doors behind them.

In such a small window of opportunity too !!! Kate even said herself didn't she !!! So if there was only a small opportunity that the offender had to get in, do the deed, kill Maddie and then proceed to abduct his dead victim ........WHAT FOR !!!

by russiandoll 27.03.14 9:58

and the typewritten timeline has

9.35      MO returns to table, telling JT that Evie is unwell.

9.40      JT leaves table to take over care of Evie.

9.45      ROB returns to table to have his meal.

9.55      Rachel MO asks time, ROB starts his meal.

   There was this much coming and going and nobody on the quiet street or in the quiet apartment block, heard or saw anything suspicious.

   A seasoned intruder chooses a time when there is this much activity in the target area to enter 5a, select, harm possibly kill a child, exit with her in his arms, leaving the scene looking undisturbed?

Instead of going elsewhere and finding a victim?

by Bishop Brennan 27.03.14 10:14

russiandoll wrote:and the typewritten timeline has

9.35      MO returns to table, telling JT that Evie is unwell.

9.40      JT leaves table to take over care of Evie.

9.45      ROB returns to table to have his meal.

9.55      Rachel MO asks time, ROB starts his meal.

   There was this much coming and going and nobody on the quiet street or in the quiet apartment block, heard or saw anything suspicious.

   A seasoned intruder chooses a time when there is this much activity in the target area to enter 5a, select, harm possibly kill a child, exit with her in his arms, leaving the scene looking undisturbed?

Instead of going elsewhere and finding a victim?

Crucial point russiandoll. The timeline really needed it to happen at 9:15. From 9:20 onwards there was a procession of people going up the street past the steps, round the corner, and in front of the front window. And nobody saw anything... Certainly not a pot bellied tanned (or black) guy carrying Maddie. Or 3 panicked burglars with same...

by Monty Heck 27.03.14 10:16

russiandoll wrote:and the typewritten timeline has

9.35      MO returns to table, telling JT that Evie is unwell.

9.40      JT leaves table to take over care of Evie.

9.45      ROB returns to table to have his meal.

9.55      Rachel MO asks time, ROB starts his meal.

   There was this much coming and going and nobody on the quiet street or in the quiet apartment block, heard or saw anything suspicious.

   A seasoned intruder chooses a time when there is this much activity in the target area to enter 5a, select, harm possibly kill a child, exit with her in his arms, leaving the scene looking undisturbed?

Instead of going elsewhere and finding a victim?

Quite. Strangely enough, SY don't appear to consider this scenario to be patently ludicrous, quite the contrary in fact. £7+ expended on examining this line of enqiry and still none of them seem to have had ny LOL (or should that be WT?)moments when reading over the timelines or T9 testimony. The impression is they have avoided looking at either during the course of their investigation.

by Clocker 27.03.14 10:18

SixMillionQuid wrote:When a person claims this isn't a whitewash I look at my sig.

Hi SMQ your signature won't show here but it says: it is my belief that Scotland Yard was set out on a mission, ~~not one to find out what~~ ~~happened to MM but~~ to re-write the history of the case in such a way that the majority of the public simply forgets the past.
No offence intended at all put i have put a line through some words and if we remove those words, that is exactly what AR has done already. Everybody remembers it was Tannerman that abducted an alive MM yet AR is indeed making us now see that he doesn't believe this happened. He has found Tannerman and cleared him and told us that MM may not have left the apartment alive after all. So he has definitely re-written the history of the case and making us forget what we have always been led to believe by having us the public open our eyes and ears to other possibilities.
My opinion only just like your signature is Pat Browns.

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