CRIMEWATCH Update on MadeleineMcCann case tonight 19th March

Mirage wrote:I am interested in Jez Wilkins and Matt Oldfield. There's something not right here.

From Jez Wilkins Statement 7th May 2007

The doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I knew to be John and one of Jerry's friends.
(Straight away we see hierarchy. He introduces him into the narrative as one of Jerry's (sic) friends so this suggests he is more familiar with Gerry than Matt)

 I think his name was Matt
(he feels obliged to put a name to the face now, but qualifies this by another act of distancing  with 'I think''.)

 He is white, slim, tall with greying hair. From previous conversations
(So now he has had previous conversations so not so distant as we are given to understand - he could have said this  -' I recognised the chap right away as Matt. One of Gerry's group. We've chatted a number of times)

I knew him to be a diabetic specialist.
(I knew him to be? Why not - ' he told me he was a diabetic specialist.' ? Perhaps he discovered this information in the Lancet)

We met him on the plane on the way to the destination.
 (So now  it's 'We' met him - he wants to brings his wife into the equation. Finally, bit by painful bit, he has admitted he has had interactions with Matt over  4/5 days).

Matt said words to the effect that Jerry's daughter had been abducted,
( There's the old chestnut  - the 'A' word . Note his strangulated  use of  the phrase 'words to the effect.'  If someone rat-a-tats on your door at that hour, you are all ears to know why. Therefore I would expect crystal clear recall of the first desperate utterance. which  might be Jerr'ys daughter's been abducted or Jerry's daughter has disappeared or Jerry's daughter is missing. Or 'Jerry's daughter's gone' The words used when you are told of a tragic event or emergency situation are usually indelibly imprinted on the mind and recalled years later with the immediacy of the panic. And this is only four days later, remember)

and that Jerry said he had seen me
(First a reminder )

and wanted to know if I had seen anything
(  Second on the to-do check list comes the appeal to Jez that might help Madeleine.Note the anything? Not the expected 'anyone'.
Don't forget,  Gerry has already been to see Rachael Oldfield who was standing guard at her apartment at 10.30pm  over her own daughter. She abandons duties and she and Gerry search the landings and balconies for five minutes.
Oddly enough there is a call she was questioned about from her mobile at 10.36 pm.
Is it believable that Jane, who was also present on her doorstep with her sick child talking to Rachael ,did not  grab Gerry to tell him about the abductor she'd just been chewing the fat about with Rachael and send him hot foot to Jez Wilkins who may be a crucial witness.
So what was so important that Gerry sent Matt on this crucial mission instead and two and a half hours after searching with Rachael? .)

I said 'You're joking'. I offered help but they
(both Matt and this Warner bloke. Well, there's an authority figure to back Matt's considered opinion)

said there was nothing that could be done at that stage.
(Nothing could be done at that stage????? Sounds like the emergency room. So nothing could be done at this stage for missing Madeleine? What does he mean?  Did Jez think to over-rule this barmy  comment and shove Matt aside saying, 'Nonsense. Where there's life there's hope!' ????? He was a father after all)

 We remained in the apartment
(I had nothing further to do with this)

but could see people around the pool
 (I peeped out through the curtains)

and at the front with torches.
(Matt was wrong there is something to be done at this stage. Torches supplied  too. I' ought to pull on a sweater and join the menfolk)

I also saw the police arriving.
 (Bridget, the police are here! )

We then went to bed.
(Bridget quit this inane dishwashing that kept her mind off the horror of Madeleine missing in the dark, I stopped with the curtain twitching and we both skidaddled and got our heads under the duvet).

Mirage wrote:I am interested in Jez Wilkins and Matt Oldfield. There's something not right here.

From Jez Wilkins Statement 7th May 2007

The doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I knew to be John and one of Jerry's friends.
(Straight away we see hierarchy. He introduces him into the narrative as one of Jerry's (sic) friends so this suggests he is more familiar with Gerry than Matt)

 I think his name was Matt
(he feels obliged to put a name to the face now, but qualifies this by another act of distancing  with 'I think''.)

 He is white, slim, tall with greying hair. From previous conversations
(So now he has had previous conversations so not so distant as we are given to understand - he could have said this  -' I recognised the chap right away as Matt. One of Gerry's group. We've chatted a number of times)

I knew him to be a diabetic specialist.
(I knew him to be? Why not - ' he told me he was a diabetic specialist.' ? Perhaps he discovered this information in the Lancet)

We met him on the plane on the way to the destination.
 (So now  it's 'We' met him - he wants to brings his wife into the equation. Finally, bit by painful bit, he has admitted he has had interactions with Matt over  4/5 days).

Matt said words to the effect that Jerry's daughter had been abducted,
( There's the old chestnut  - the 'A' word . Note his strangulated  use of  the phrase 'words to the effect.'  If someone rat-a-tats on your door at that hour, you are all ears to know why. Therefore I would expect crystal clear recall of the first desperate utterance. which  might be Jerr'ys daughter's been abducted or Jerry's daughter has disappeared or Jerry's daughter is missing. Or 'Jerry's daughter's gone' The words used when you are told of a tragic event or emergency situation are usually indelibly imprinted on the mind and recalled years later with the immediacy of the panic. And this is only four days later, remember)

and that Jerry said he had seen me
(First a reminder )

and wanted to know if I had seen anything
(  Second on the to-do check list comes the appeal to Jez that might help Madeleine.Note the anything? Not the expected 'anyone'.
Don't forget,  Gerry has already been to see Rachael Oldfield who was standing guard at her apartment at 10.30pm  over her own daughter. She abandons duties and she and Gerry search the landings and balconies for five minutes.
Oddly enough there is a call she was questioned about from her mobile at 10.36 pm.
Is it believable that Jane, who was also present on her doorstep with her sick child talking to Rachael ,did not  grab Gerry to tell him about the abductor she'd just been chewing the fat about with Rachael and send him hot foot to Jez Wilkins who may be a crucial witness.
So what was so important that Gerry sent Matt on this crucial mission instead and two and a half hours after searching with Rachael? .)

I said 'You're joking'. I offered help but they
(both Matt and this Warner bloke. Well, there's an authority figure to back Matt's considered opinion)

said there was nothing that could be done at that stage.
(Nothing could be done at that stage????? Sounds like the emergency room. So nothing could be done at this stage for missing Madeleine? What does he mean?  Did Jez think to over-rule this barmy  comment and shove Matt aside saying, 'Nonsense. Where there's life there's hope!' ????? He was a father after all)

 We remained in the apartment
(I had nothing further to do with this)

but could see people around the pool
 (I peeped out through the curtains)

and at the front with torches.
(Matt was wrong there is something to be done at this stage. Torches supplied  too. I' ought to pull on a sweater and join the menfolk)

I also saw the police arriving.
 (Bridget, the police are here! )

We then went to bed.
(Bridget quit this inane dishwashing that kept her mind off the horror of Madeleine missing in the dark, I stopped with the curtain twitching and we both skidaddled and got our heads under the duvet).

ultimaThule wrote:It seems to me you've got them down to a T, Mirage.   A most peculiar bunch, aren't they?  One might almost be tempted to think they're another species since none of their behaviour appears to be that commonly exhibited or expected in such unfortunate circumstances.

HelenMeg wrote:

Mirage wrote:I am interested in Jez Wilkins and Matt Oldfield. There's something not right here.

From Jez Wilkins Statement 7th May 2007

The doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I knew to be John and one of Jerry's friends.
(Straight away we see hierarchy. He introduces him into the narrative as one of Jerry's (sic) friends so this suggests he is more familiar with Gerry than Matt)

 I think his name was Matt
(he feels obliged to put a name to the face now, but qualifies this by another act of distancing  with 'I think''.)

 He is white, slim, tall with greying hair. From previous conversations
(So now he has had previous conversations so not so distant as we are given to understand - he could have said this  -' I recognised the chap right away as Matt. One of Gerry's group. We've chatted a number of times)

I knew him to be a diabetic specialist.
(I knew him to be? Why not - ' he told me he was a diabetic specialist.' ? Perhaps he discovered this information in the Lancet)

We met him on the plane on the way to the destination.
 (So now  it's 'We' met him - he wants to brings his wife into the equation. Finally, bit by painful bit, he has admitted he has had interactions with Matt over  4/5 days).

Matt said words to the effect that Jerry's daughter had been abducted,
( There's the old chestnut  - the 'A' word . Note his strangulated  use of  the phrase 'words to the effect.'  If someone rat-a-tats on your door at that hour, you are all ears to know why. Therefore I would expect crystal clear recall of the first desperate utterance. which  might be Jerr'ys daughter's been abducted or Jerry's daughter has disappeared or Jerry's daughter is missing. Or 'Jerry's daughter's gone' The words used when you are told of a tragic event or emergency situation are usually indelibly imprinted on the mind and recalled years later with the immediacy of the panic. And this is only four days later, remember)

and that Jerry said he had seen me
(First a reminder )

and wanted to know if I had seen anything
(  Second on the to-do check list comes the appeal to Jez that might help Madeleine.Note the anything? Not the expected 'anyone'.
Don't forget,  Gerry has already been to see Rachael Oldfield who was standing guard at her apartment at 10.30pm  over her own daughter. She abandons duties and she and Gerry search the landings and balconies for five minutes.
Oddly enough there is a call she was questioned about from her mobile at 10.36 pm.
Is it believable that Jane, who was also present on her doorstep with her sick child talking to Rachael ,did not  grab Gerry to tell him about the abductor she'd just been chewing the fat about with Rachael and send him hot foot to Jez Wilkins who may be a crucial witness.
So what was so important that Gerry sent Matt on this crucial mission instead and two and a half hours after searching with Rachael? .)

I said 'You're joking'. I offered help but they
(both Matt and this Warner bloke. Well, there's an authority figure to back Matt's considered opinion)

said there was nothing that could be done at that stage.
(Nothing could be done at that stage????? Sounds like the emergency room. So nothing could be done at this stage for missing Madeleine? What does he mean?  Did Jez think to over-rule this barmy  comment and shove Matt aside saying, 'Nonsense. Where there's life there's hope!' ????? He was a father after all)

 We remained in the apartment
(I had nothing further to do with this)

but could see people around the pool
 (I peeped out through the curtains)

and at the front with torches.
(Matt was wrong there is something to be done at this stage. Torches supplied  too. I' ought to pull on a sweater and join the menfolk)

I also saw the police arriving.
 (Bridget, the police are here! )

We then went to bed.
(Bridget quit this inane dishwashing that kept her mind off the horror of Madeleine missing in the dark, I stopped with the curtain twitching and we both skidaddled and got our heads under the duvet).

I think that is really interesting and significant analysis Mirage.
There appears to be a definite intention to mislead about Jez's relationship with MO. He clearly wishes to distance his family from the whole scenario and to distance himself from a relationship with MO.

I know its not a very popular theory here,  but for me, it reinforces the theory that the majority of people present at OC that week were there for an arranged event such as swinging (which is common in resorts such as this out of season).

Why is Jez attenpting to convince that he does not really know MO ? Little by little he goes from describing Matt as 'one of Jerry's friends' to 'diabetic specialist ' that he 'met on the plane'

I am certain that these people were all going to OC for the same reason, and that reason was not just that it was a 'low season off peak cheap  family holiday'. Take P Edmonds - on the Board of a major multi nat company, take a bunch of Consultant doctors on very high salaries, take someone in the TV industry.....

Mirage wrote:

HelenMeg wrote:

Mirage wrote:I am interested in Jez Wilkins and Matt Oldfield. There's something not right here.

From Jez Wilkins Statement 7th May 2007

The doorbell woke us up at about 1 am. It was the resort manager who I knew to be John and one of Jerry's friends.
(Straight away we see hierarchy. He introduces him into the narrative as one of Jerry's (sic) friends so this suggests he is more familiar with Gerry than Matt)

 I think his name was Matt
(he feels obliged to put a name to the face now, but qualifies this by another act of distancing  with 'I think''.)

 He is white, slim, tall with greying hair. From previous conversations
(So now he has had previous conversations so not so distant as we are given to understand - he could have said this  -' I recognised the chap right away as Matt. One of Gerry's group. We've chatted a number of times)

I knew him to be a diabetic specialist.
(I knew him to be? Why not - ' he told me he was a diabetic specialist.' ? Perhaps he discovered this information in the Lancet)

We met him on the plane on the way to the destination.
 (So now  it's 'We' met him - he wants to brings his wife into the equation. Finally, bit by painful bit, he has admitted he has had interactions with Matt over  4/5 days).

Matt said words to the effect that Jerry's daughter had been abducted,
( There's the old chestnut  - the 'A' word . Note his strangulated  use of  the phrase 'words to the effect.'  If someone rat-a-tats on your door at that hour, you are all ears to know why. Therefore I would expect crystal clear recall of the first desperate utterance. which  might be Jerr'ys daughter's been abducted or Jerry's daughter has disappeared or Jerry's daughter is missing. Or 'Jerry's daughter's gone' The words used when you are told of a tragic event or emergency situation are usually indelibly imprinted on the mind and recalled years later with the immediacy of the panic. And this is only four days later, remember)

and that Jerry said he had seen me
(First a reminder )

and wanted to know if I had seen anything
(  Second on the to-do check list comes the appeal to Jez that might help Madeleine.Note the anything? Not the expected 'anyone'.
Don't forget,  Gerry has already been to see Rachael Oldfield who was standing guard at her apartment at 10.30pm  over her own daughter. She abandons duties and she and Gerry search the landings and balconies for five minutes.
Oddly enough there is a call she was questioned about from her mobile at 10.36 pm.
Is it believable that Jane, who was also present on her doorstep with her sick child talking to Rachael ,did not  grab Gerry to tell him about the abductor she'd just been chewing the fat about with Rachael and send him hot foot to Jez Wilkins who may be a crucial witness.
So what was so important that Gerry sent Matt on this crucial mission instead and two and a half hours after searching with Rachael? .)

I said 'You're joking'. I offered help but they
(both Matt and this Warner bloke. Well, there's an authority figure to back Matt's considered opinion)

said there was nothing that could be done at that stage.
(Nothing could be done at that stage????? Sounds like the emergency room. So nothing could be done at this stage for missing Madeleine? What does he mean?  Did Jez think to over-rule this barmy  comment and shove Matt aside saying, 'Nonsense. Where there's life there's hope!' ????? He was a father after all)

 We remained in the apartment
(I had nothing further to do with this)

but could see people around the pool
 (I peeped out through the curtains)

and at the front with torches.
(Matt was wrong there is something to be done at this stage. Torches supplied  too. I' ought to pull on a sweater and join the menfolk)

I also saw the police arriving.
 (Bridget, the police are here! )

We then went to bed.
(Bridget quit this inane dishwashing that kept her mind off the horror of Madeleine missing in the dark, I stopped with the curtain twitching and we both skidaddled and got our heads under the duvet).

I think that is really interesting and significant analysis Mirage.
There appears to be a definite intention to mislead about Jez's relationship with MO. He clearly wishes to distance his family from the whole scenario and to distance himself from a relationship with MO.

I know its not a very popular theory here,  but for me, it reinforces the theory that the majority of people present at OC that week were there for an arranged event such as swinging (which is common in resorts such as this out of season).

Why is Jez attenpting to convince that he does not really know MO ? Little by little he goes from describing Matt as 'one of Jerry's friends' to 'diabetic specialist ' that he 'met on the plane'

I am certain that these people were all going to OC for the same reason, and that reason was not just that it was a 'low season off peak cheap  family holiday'. Take P Edmonds - on the Board of a major multi nat company, take a bunch of Consultant doctors on very high salaries, take someone in the TV industry.....

First of all thank you HelenMeg. Could I just say, before anyone else cares to comment on the above post of mine and your comment, that I have re-posted this on the more relevant RED FLAG thread. I wonder. I was about to delete it here but you had replied. If you would like to transfer your comment to there HM  that would be brilliant. Thanks again

russiandoll wrote:and the typewritten timeline has

  9.35      MO returns to table, telling JT that Evie is unwell.

  9.40      JT leaves table to take over care of Evie.

  9.45      ROB returns to table to have his meal.

  9.55      Rachel MO asks time, ROB starts his meal.


   There was this much coming and going and nobody on the quiet street or in the quiet apartment block, heard or saw anything suspicious.

   A seasoned intruder chooses a time when there is this much activity in the target area to enter 5a, select, harm possibly kill a child, exit with her in his arms, leaving the scene looking undisturbed?

Instead of going elsewhere and finding a victim?

Cristobell wrote:

russiandoll wrote:and the typewritten timeline has

  9.35      MO returns to table, telling JT that Evie is unwell.

  9.40      JT leaves table to take over care of Evie.

  9.45      ROB returns to table to have his meal.

  9.55      Rachel MO asks time, ROB starts his meal.


   There was this much coming and going and nobody on the quiet street or in the quiet apartment block, heard or saw anything suspicious.

   A seasoned intruder chooses a time when there is this much activity in the target area to enter 5a, select, harm possibly kill a child, exit with her in his arms, leaving the scene looking undisturbed?

Instead of going elsewhere and finding a victim?

All this coming and going, yet the McCanns did not for one moment suspect any of their friends.  Both Matt and Russell were away from the tapas table during the crucial time when Madeleine disappeared - that is from when Gerry saw Madeleine alive at 9.10pm and Kate discovered her missing at 10.00pm. Lets not leave out the women? What was Jane up to? She could only have had a few moments to woof down her food, between seeing the abductor and relieving (yuck) Russell.  I must go back to Rachel's statement, hoping that the ghastly woman had the decency to spend at least some time with her sick baby during her evening at the bar.  

These people were missing from the table, yet the McCanns rule them above suspicion!  Jane Tanner claims she and Russell hardly knew Kate and Gerry.  From the McCanns' perspective, I cannot understand why they didn't challenge their friends.  I certainly would have, even if they were blood brothers.  The loss of a child goes above friendship, and they weren't particularly close.  As for Jane Tanner I would have throttled her for not mentioning she saw a strange man walking away my child and any other violent feelings I had would be directed at my other half for persuading me the kids would alright on their own.

MILLIE wrote:

russiandoll wrote:A belated apology for the size of that photo and the space it takes up. It was small on twitter and all I can do is a straightforward c and p job.

 Btw I am frustrated because I posted the same photo somewhere months ago with a comment about their facial expressions, at a time when we were alerted to the posting of the video on youtube. It was only there for a short time iirc because once when I went to have another look at it , the link was there but nothing to be seen.

You could hear the English voiceover of what Andy R was saying, I am sure there must be a transcript somewhere of this German interview? The Mcs faces were a REVELATION .

This is the nearest thing I can find and I know it doesn't exactly match the video you describe, rd. You can just about hear the English interview but there is quite a loud German translation. I think the interview with the Macs starts at about 23.00

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plebgate wrote:As MURAT was headlined in the Express in the Summer stating - BRING THEM ALL BACK TO PORTUGAL - why hasn't this been done, surely their statements were read during the Review Stage?

jeanmonroe wrote:Okeydokey Yesterday at 7:53 pm
.
Good analysis Mirage. I must admit I have never been entirely happy with JW's evidence.
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Especially when JW becomes totally 'invisible' on the R O'B 2 handwritten timelines.

A CENTRAL, PIVITOL, CHARACTER, IN THE VERY STREET, AT THE VERY TIME, MADELEINE WAS 'ABDUCTED' AS 'SEEN' BY JT.

BUT not a 'mention' ( on the handwritten 'timelines' ) even though the T9 were 'talking about' JW's and GM's 'chat' when GM returned to the tapas table, after his 'check'

Maybe MO's 'knock on his door' was only a 'tip the wink' visit to JW. (they haven't 'found' her)

Maybe the reason for a central, pivitol character (JW) to NOT be 'mentioned' in the 'timelines' is because it had been arranged with him NOT to be, PRIOR, to them being 'written'

( i'll 'help' just don't 'mention' me til tomorrow, which both GM AND KM  did in their first 'statements' 4th May 2007)

JW did NOT 'approach' the police, first thing next morning, he walked straight pass them, THREE times, even lifting up the police 'tape' to get pass!

The police eventually went to his apartment, along with RM, so B O'D tells us.

But HE never pre-offered information to the police, before that, about where he was, exactly. when the child went 'missing'

Didn't even ask the police if they had 'found' his tennis buddy's 'missing' child.

And he still hasn't 'sued' the McCanns who are calling him a blatant 'liar' about where he said he was 'chatting' to GM, when Madeleine was 'abducted'

All IMO, obviously.

eta: I wonder why TrulyAwful and other 'pro's' have NEVER said anything about 'doubts' about JW, when their 'heroes' the McCanns, have said, in print and on TV , that he (JW) 'LIED' about where he 'chatted' to GM and nobody knows what he did after GM returned to tapas and JT had already gone to her apartment.

He 'says' he went to his apartment, but did he?

Surely Truly Awful and the pros must have a 'view' on his 'movements' after leaving 'our Gerry'

Again, imo, obviously.

Cristobell wrote:

jeanmonroe wrote:Okeydokey Yesterday at 7:53 pm
.
Good analysis Mirage. I must admit I have never been entirely happy with JW's evidence.
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Especially when JW becomes totally 'invisible' on the R O'B 2 handwritten timelines.

A CENTRAL, PIVITOL, CHARACTER, IN THE VERY STREET, AT THE VERY TIME, MADELEINE WAS 'ABDUCTED' AS 'SEEN' BY JT.

BUT not a 'mention' ( on the handwritten 'timelines' ) even though the T9 were 'talking about' JW's and GM's 'chat' when GM returned to the tapas table, after his 'check'

Maybe MO's 'knock on his door' was only a 'tip the wink' visit to JW. (they haven't 'found' her)

Maybe the reason for a central, pivitol character (JW) to NOT be 'mentioned' in the 'timelines' is because it had been arranged with him NOT to be, PRIOR, to them being 'written'

( i'll 'help' just don't 'mention' me til tomorrow, which both GM AND KM  did in their first 'statements' 4th May 2007)

JW did NOT 'approach' the police, first thing next morning, he walked straight pass them, THREE times, even lifting up the police 'tape' to get pass!

The police eventually went to his apartment, along with RM, so B O'D tells us.

But HE never pre-offered information to the police, before that, about where he was, exactly. when the child went 'missing'

Didn't even ask the police if they had 'found' his tennis buddy's 'missing' child.

And he still hasn't 'sued' the McCanns who are calling him a blatant 'liar' about where he said he was 'chatting' to GM, when Madeleine was 'abducted'

All IMO, obviously.

eta: I wonder why TrulyAwful and other 'pro's' have NEVER said anything about 'doubts' about JW, when their 'heroes' the McCanns, have said, in print and on TV , that he (JW) 'LIED' about where he 'chatted' to GM and nobody knows what he did after GM returned to tapas and JT had already gone to her apartment.

He 'says' he went to his apartment, but did he?

Surely Truly Awful and the pros must have a 'view' on his 'movements' after leaving 'our Gerry'

Again, imo, obviously.

It really looks as though middle class professionals were automatically ruled out in this case Jean!  Of course, JW was wondering around PDL with a child during the crucial time too!  Wonder why he's never been a suspect?  Where had he come from? Where was he going to? Did anyone check the child in the buggy?

Seems to me all the MCPs and creche nannies were ruled out by the McCanns immediately.  Which is a strange reaction from parents who have just had a child 'stolen' - at some stage, suspicion, fear and paranoia have got to set in, together with blaming someone else and becoming very angry.  All the emotions the McCanns seemed to have skipped, not even a mention of them in the bewk.  

Ps. Apologies, they did blame someone else (actually everyone else), but most particularly Goncalo Amaral.  However, that is so irrational, and I'll save it for another day.

Newintown wrote:
Reading Okeydokey's post from yesterday evening I was just about to post the same thing as you, "did anyone check the child in JW's buggy"??

Was it arranged that JW meet GM to put Madeleine in an empty buggy at the bottom of the stairs of 5A and walk away with her.  As previously mentioned many times why wasn't JW mentioned on the two sets of timelines written up.  Surely GM didn't forget about him in the matter of an hour or two when writing out precisely where everyone else had been or had seen on that evening.  Even Tannerman was mentioned on the timelines even before JT had mentioned him!!!

canada12 wrote:

Newintown wrote:
Reading Okeydokey's post from yesterday evening I was just about to post the same thing as you, "did anyone check the child in JW's buggy"??

Was it arranged that JW meet GM to put Madeleine in an empty buggy at the bottom of the stairs of 5A and walk away with her.  As previously mentioned many times why wasn't JW mentioned on the two sets of timelines written up.  Surely GM didn't forget about him in the matter of an hour or two when writing out precisely where everyone else had been or had seen on that evening.  Even Tannerman was mentioned on the timelines even before JT had mentioned him!!!

Here's another thought. What if none of these players, Gerry, Jez and Jane Tanner, were actually where they said they were?

All along we've assumed that Jez Wilkins and Gerry did actually meet up and talk. As confirmed by Jane Tanner, who says she saw them.

Thus Jez becomes Gerry's alibi. And Jane becomes both Jez and Gerry's alibi. But did anyone, other than Jane Tanner, see Jez and Gerry? And did anyone else actually confirm that Jane was standing outside on the road when she claimed she saw both of them, and Bundleman?

Perhaps the statements of all three of these individuals need to be looked at and possibly discarded.

Is it possible that Jez and Gerry were not even there, talking, as Jez and Gerry and Jane Tanner claim?

And is it possible, as mentioned by Newintown, that Jez was actually employed with his baby carriage to do some work for Gerry? And if anyone spotted him, all he needed to do was say that he was walking his own child to help him go to sleep. A perfect conveyance.

j.rob wrote:Perhaps the Muck's were planning on using Jez' commercial Television Production skills for their forthcoming  PR, Media and Marketing Campaign - oops, I mean their search for their missing daughter. 

 A new thriller TV series on a world-wide commercial TV channel, starring K and G  look-alike  actors playing the roles of the 'grieving' parents of 'abducted' Madeleine. Soaring viewing figures guaranteed on prime time TV, with unprecedentedly lucrative commercial air-time opportunities and merchandising deals. Even a 'Maddie' commercial' - selling dolls, toys and merchandise that will help fund the Fund - oops, sorry I mean help to 'find Madeleine. 

After the TV series comes the Block-Buster film complete with Hollywood actors playing the leading roles. The Muck's themselves will be casting their actresses to play the title role at various ages. Madeleine at various ages will be enormously entertaining, oops, I mean enormously helpful in the search to keep the Fund going - I mean the search to find Madeleine.

 As Official Grieving Parents and Ambassadors for Missing Children, (Royal appointed roles) the Muck's will sign  the Hollywood deals - Clarence Millions and Farter Cuck fully employed in this respect. The Muck parents will appear themselves in an anguished appeal at the beginning of the film that 'no stone must be left unturned' when it comes to donating to the Commercial - I mean, donating to the Fund.

Murdoch has promised lucrative media contracts and spin-offs to keep the commercial side of things alive indefinitely, even if, unfortunately. the evidence is that Madeleine died inside the apartment. 

And the Mucks are also cashing on After Dinner Speeches on Child Abduction - the Marketing Opportunities (discounts available if you hire K and G) together with great opportunities to purchase their range of CDs and merchandising after the speech.

The Muck's sign the world-wide elusive rights for the TV Series, Hollywood Film and the millions keep rolling in for the Grieving Parents as all box office records are broken. The Andrew Lloyd Webber musical - 'Madeleine, the Musical!' - is a world-wide hit with all proceeds going into the Madeleine Fund.

No marketing ploys should be missed.

This will all give Grieving Parents of Abducted Children around the world real hope and encouragement. 

Hmmm.

sami wrote:

lj wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote:When a person claims this isn't a whitewash I look at my sig.
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"It is my belief that Scotland Yard was set out on a mission, not one to find out what happened to Madeleine McCann but to rewrite the history of the case in such a way that the majority of the public simply forgets the past." - The Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency

Exactly. There will not be 3 trio arrest, or a dead man dug up.There will be a story that ends there, because the doer is dead, there is not enough evidence, and Portgal does not want to operate.

What happens though when the PJs investigation reaches an end and the files become public ?  How will the content reflect on the SY investigation or review or whatever it is they say they are doing ?

I've no doubt it was their original intention.  The re-opening in Portugal has made life very difficult for SY.

jozi wrote:

lj wrote:

SixMillionQuid wrote:When a person claims this isn't a whitewash I look at my sig.
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"It is my belief that Scotland Yard was set out on a mission, not one to find out what happened to Madeleine McCann but to rewrite the history of the case in such a way that the majority of the public simply forgets the past." - The Pat Brown Criminal Profiling Agency

Exactly. There will not be 3 trio arrest, or a dead man dug up.There will be a story that ends there, because the doer is dead, there is not enough evidence, and Portgal does not want to operate.

I'm leaning more to SY and Andy trying to find out what really happened (although they are going about it all wrong in my eyes, but what the heck do I know ) ? It does give me hope that Andy now thinks Maddie was dead when abducted ? If we think about this properly who or what sex offender or abductor,abducts his dead victim???.........Big Question here !!!