Re: CRIMEWATCH Update on MadeleineMcCann case tonight 19th March

by tasprin 19.03.14 11:50

SixMillionQuid wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:
tasprin wrote:
SixMillionQuid wrote:Apparently police are hunting an attacker that attacked 12 British children between 2004-10.

So, does this predator only attack British children?
Yes by the looks of it. He's probably racist too.

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In 6 cases intruder got into or sat on the bed of young white children.

Well well who would have guessed

Ah, so white British only.

by sami 19.03.14 11:50

Why did he:

Change age group - previous children were 7 to 10 years
Change time - other incidents were between 2am and 5am
Go from abuser to abductor and decide to keep this one child

by AndyB 19.03.14 11:54

sami wrote:Why did he:

Change age group - previous children were 7 to 10 years
Change time - other incidents were between 2am and 5am
Go from abuser to abductor and decide to keep this one child

Because he doesn't exist?

by jeanmonroe 19.03.14 11:56

REDWOOD's/METs 'PANICKING' RESPONSE to GA's ARTICLE/INTERVIEW (14th March 2014)

See GA's political courage thread.

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Mirage wrote:

"The long journey of silence is ended for GA. He is openly challenging the integrity of those charged with processes of justice, both in Britain and Portugal. A clarion call that will reverberate around the world in a never-ending echo."
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How TRUE!

by tiny 19.03.14 12:01

Im sorry but this is another load of bollox from sy,they have the culprits at there finger tips and they are still chasing these make believe people

whitewash any one.

by tasprin 19.03.14 12:07

I suppose - rather than having to deal with 'foreigners' - it makes it so much easier for Scotland Yard to control the information coming out in the media if all the alleged victims are British nationality.

by jeanmonroe 19.03.14 12:08

tiny wrote:Im sorry but this is another load of bollox from sy,they have the culprits at there finger tips and they are still chasing these make believe people

whitewash any one.

Whatever 'happened' to BHH's very recent proclaimation, on national media, that 'we have the names of the burglators'!

NOW, today, from his own SY/MET 'investigating' elite police team.................... 'there's wuz a LONE sex attacker, innit?'

First rule of 'cover up' GET YOUR STORY STRAIGHT AND STICK TO IT UNSWERVINGLY'

'Have a word' with Andy, Bernie!

He ain't doing you no 'favours'

by Guest 19.03.14 12:08

tiny wrote:Im sorry but this is another load of bollox from sy,they have the culprits at there finger tips and they are still chasing these make believe people

whitewash any one.

Certainly looking that way.

After reading GA's interview i naively felt extremely encouraged that the 'net' at last could be closing.

Now feeling utter despair at the new crock that's coming out. Christ almighty. What the hell are AR and SY playing at.

Absolute disgrace.

by HelenMeg 19.03.14 12:09

tiny wrote:Im sorry but this is another load of bollox from sy,they have the culprits at there finger tips and they are still chasing these make believe people

whitewash any one.

I guess whitewash

by tasprin 19.03.14 12:13

uppatoffee wrote:Madeleine police seek lone intruder
Last updated 16 minutes ago

Police probing Madeleine McCann's disappearance are seeking an intruder who sexually abused five girls in Portugal between 2004 and 2006.

Detectives say the attacks happened in holiday villas occupied by UK families in the western Algarve.

Madeleine was three when she disappeared in May 2007 from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Algarve.

BBC Website.

So the BBC have only just added this to their website - it really is a last minute thing. Amazing! And the dates of the attacks have already been changed from 2003-2010 to 2004-2006.

The BBC must have been on standby, awaiting an opportune moment and the thumbs-up to release this info.
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by ChippyM 19.03.14 12:13

This man according to the reports 'walked away calmly' when discovered. So the 3 burglars that panicked theory is completely invalidated.

It also doesn't seem clear that this man was a single person, the cases are 'thought' to be similar.

I'm hoping this is the media spinning something SY have said and not SY doing the spinning.

by jeanmonroe 19.03.14 12:16

And SY/MET were going to ARREST the 'SUSPECTS' WEEKS and MONTHS AGO!

THEY HAD THE 'NAMES', AFTER ALL!

WHO is 'ordering' this latest 'claim' from the MET to be 'released'?

by SixMillionQuid 19.03.14 12:18

Andrew77R wrote:
tiny wrote:Im sorry but this is another load of bollox from sy,they have the culprits at there finger tips and they are still chasing these make believe people

whitewash any one.
Certainly looking that way.

After reading GA's interview i naively felt extremely encouraged that the 'net' at last could be closing.

Now feeling utter despair at the new crock that's coming out. Christ almighty. What the hell are AR and SY playing at.

Absolute disgrace.

I think GA's interview has highlighted that there was a lot political influence that forced him of the case, leading to the situation we're in now. I think he's 110% correct.

The man Operation Grange is looking for now never abducted a child. It's clear that he checked on children's passports to see if they were British and if one wasn't available he conducted an on the spot English test.

by listener 19.03.14 12:19

And this - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] - high up on Guardian news today (budget day).

BHH is a political puppet - and not a very good one. But still manages to influence the vast majority ! :wtf2:

dontgetit

What a sad place England has become!

sad

by jeanmonroe 19.03.14 12:20

ChippyM wrote:This man according to the reports 'walked away calmly' when discovered. So the 3 burglars that panicked theory is completely invalidated.

It also doesn't seem clear that this man was a single person, the cases are 'thought' to be similar.

I'm hoping this is the media spinning something SY have said and not SY doing the spinning.

Andy and his 37 'elites' bought all the tickets, to all the 'spinning roundabouts', at all the fun fairs, 3 years ago!

Well, you have to spend £7,500,000.00p taxpayers money on 'something' dontcha?

by nomendelta 19.03.14 12:22

Many of us like to think that SY are playing the long game ... but to what actual end? Surely after the information they've been sent and access to the files, if they were gonna go for the McCanns they'd have done so by now? Especially given the massive expense and longevity of the review/investigation.

Put it another way - say the enquiry goes on for another year at which point there's a breakthrough and they charge the parents. How's that going to look good for SY in any way shape of form? The public reaction would be split between hatred and revulsion at the parents and disbelief at police incompetence that it took years to work it out.

by SixMillionQuid 19.03.14 12:25

12 Crimes on Portuguese soil but the MET police are keeping things to themselves.

by **PeterMac** 19.03.14 12:25

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Madeleine McCann police 'looking for lone intruder'
British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are looking for a lone intruder who sexually abused five girls during a series of break-ins at holiday homes in the Algarve, Portugal between 2004 and 2010.

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UK Madeleine McCann Metropolitan Police

15 MINUTES AGO
Police suggest DNA evidence in McCann suspect hunt
The new suspect in the search for Madeleine McCann broke into homes when parents were asleep between 2am and 5am in 12 known incidents between 2004 and 2010.
Ten of the cases were reported to Portuguese police, however detectives in the UK were not aware of them until three British families came forward following an appeal in October last year.
Describing the events as “grim” Det Supt Redwood said that police would be able to rule out anyone named in terms of the most serious incident - suggesting DNA is available for at least one case.
In the most serious case we have the ability to eliminate the person named.
We need the public to carefully consider what we’re saying and if they have anyinformation that may be similar we need to know about it.
We need to know if there are any similar cases. Last time three families came forward so we need to know if there are any others.

– DET SUPT REDWOOD

Dont you just love the clothing, designed to blend in.I am surprised they are not referring to him as their "Target".

by sami 19.03.14 12:27

I would like to say you could not make this up.......but they have.

Time for Redwood to come clean and admit they have no interest or inclination in getting justice for Madeleine. Try to be honest about something at least.

How any of them sleep at night I do not know. A disgrace to their uniform.

by jeanmonroe 19.03.14 12:30

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Madeleine police seek lone intruder Madeleine McCann disappeared in May 2007

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UK police probing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are seeking an intruder who sexually abused five girls in Portugal between 2004 and 2006.

Detectives say the attacks happened in holiday villas occupied by UK families in the Algarve.

The man, described as tanned with dark hair, is suspected of breaking into 12 properties from 2004 to 2010.

Madeleine was three when she disappeared in May 2007 from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Algarve.

The five girls - aged between seven and 10 - were sexually assaulted in their beds.

On one of these occasions, the man assaulted two girls in one villa.

'Serious offences'

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said the man had an "unhealthy interest in young white female children" - and tracing him was a priority.

"We need to establish the identity of this man," DCI Redwood said.

"These offences are very serious and no one has been charged in connection with them. We also need to eliminate this man from our enquiries and ascertain whether these offences are linked to Madeleine's disappearance."

While not identical, many aspects of the circumstances surrounding the sexual assaults were similar, police said.

There were no signs of forced entry to the properties, nothing was taken and the intruder appeared in the early hours of the morning.

The suspect may have been in the villa or looking around for some time before committing the offences or being disturbed, either by a parent coming in or the child waking up, officers said.

He remained calm even when disturbed.

Four of the 12 offences happened in Carvoeiro, six in the Praia de Gale district, and two in Praia da Luz.

There are currently 38 people classed as "persons of interest" linked with the inquiry into Madeleine's disappearance.

Detectives are also sifting through details of 530 known sex offenders whose whereabouts are unknown.

Of those, 59 are classed as high priority and some of those are British.

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So NOW , the BBC are 'reporting' that the LONE 'attacker' did NOT 'attack' ANYBODY 'AFTER' 2006!

A YEAR BEFORE THE MCCANNS pitched up in PDL!

eta: The PJ will be, no doubt, CONFIRMING this all 'happened' then, won't they?

by ChippyM 19.03.14 12:31

This from the guardian is interesting,

"While I completely accept that there are differences (between the break-ins and the McCann case), there is no abduction that we can see, but the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann.
"It is really critical for us to identify this offender and prove or disprove whether he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance."
Redwood said that if names are put forward, his team will be able to eliminate suspects from their inquiry. This suggests that police have DNA on file."

THere is NO abduction, as far as I can see!? does he mean, no abduction of MM outright, or no abduction in these other cases?

Eliminating suspects with DNA.....well it's not DNA that has come from apartment 5a is it?

On reading this I'm back to feeling like Andy Redwood is playing games again and not necessarily in the Mc's favour.

by SixMillionQuid 19.03.14 12:33

nomendelta wrote:Many of us like to think that SY are playing the long game ... but to what actual end? Surely after the information they've been sent and access to the files, if they were gonna go for the McCanns they'd have done so by now? Especially given the massive expense and longevity of the review/investigation.

Put it another way - say the enquiry goes on for another year at which point there's a breakthrough and they charge the parents. How's that going to look good for SY in any way shape of form? The public reaction would be split between hatred and revulsion at the parents and disbelief at police incompetence that it took years to work it out.

This case has highlighted how the UK authorities and media work together and treat the public as idiots.

Once they declared publicly the parents as innocent or not persons of interest, any notion of future arrest went out the window. In fact it was quite deliberate. What Grange has been doing via their mouthpiece is steer conversation down a different path and away from forensics. People ask why Grange hasn't addressed this - they dont have to because no one will challenge them other than internet forums.

by aiyoyo 19.03.14 12:35

Oh Lordie Lordie Lord, same old tripe ?

Appeal for a sex fiend to come forward ? Truly priceless! As if he would !

All this forewarning publicity.....this sexual predator is just going to turn himself in or hang around ?

I'm speechless !

Wonder whether they'd the consensus of the PJ for this appeal ?

ETA : BTW why didn't Brit families that were victims of the assault come forward ?

by Guest 19.03.14 12:37

PeterMac wrote:
Dont you just love the clothing, designed to blend in.I am surprised they are not referring to him as their "Target".

It's Juan Pablo Montoya.
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by sami 19.03.14 12:39

aiyoyo wrote:

Wonder whether they'd the consensus of the PJ for this appeal ?

The reported disagreement between the two forces with ILORs springs to mind.

by tasprin 19.03.14 12:43

Apparently he was a swarthy foreigner with a bad odour who targeted white British children

Met Police

New appeal following the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

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Officers from Operation Grange investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have today issued a further appeal for information.
During the course of their enquiries, officers have identified a potential linked series of twelve crimes which occurred between 2004 and 2010, mostly in low season, whereby a male intruder has gained access to mainly holiday villas occupied by UK families on holiday in the Western Algarve.

In four cases between 2004 and 2006 the man sexually assaulted 5 white girls, aged between 7 and 10 years, whilst in their beds. On one of these occasions, he assaulted two girls in the same villa.

Whilst not identical, there are many similar aspects to each of the incidents in that in most cases there were no signs of forced entry to the property, nothing was taken, and the intruder appeared in the early hours of the morning between 02.00hrs and 05.00hrs.

The suspect may have been in the villa or looking round the villa for some time before committing the offences or being disturbed either by a parent, or the child waking up.

He remained calm, even when disturbed.

On two occasions the noise of a bin collection lorry could be heard nearby.

Of the twelve offences, there were four in Carvoeiro, six in the Vale da Parra , Praia da Gale district and two in Praia da Luz.

Witnesses describe the man as having dark (as in tanned) skin with short dark unkempt hair. He spoke in English with a foreign accent, his voice was described as slow, or possibly slurred.

He was sometimes bare chested, some describe him as having a pot belly, and three victims said that he had a noticeable odour.

On two occasions in Vale de Parra and Praia da Gale he was wearing a distinctive burgundy long sleeve top, on one of those occasions it was described as having a white circle on the back.

DCI Andy Redwood, the senior investigating officer said today, “We need to establish the identity of this man. “These offences are very serious and no one has been charged in connection with them. We also need to eliminate this man from our enquiries and ascertain whether these offences are linked to Madeleine’s disappearance.

“If you have been a victim of a similar crime please come forward even if you reported the incident to police in Portugal, or anywhere else, please do not assume we have been made aware of it .

“While some of these offences have been in the public domain before, following our appeal in October three more were reported to us as a direct result of that appeal. One of those reports we believe is the first in the potential series.

“Please call us on 0800 0961011 if you are within the UK. The number for non-UK residents is +44 207 1580 126. Alternatively if you do not want to speak to us directly you can contact Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

“Our appeal last year was very successful and we had over 5,000 calls which generated new information for us and which we continue to investigate.

“We still need to establish the identity of a man seen by three witnesses, carrying a child fitting Madeleine's description towards the beach or town areas at about 2200 on the night Madeleine disappeared. The witnesses have described the man in the e-fits as being white, aged in his 30s, with short brown hair, of medium build, medium height and clean shaven.

"The Metropolitan Police Service continues to offer a reward of up to £20,000 for information leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the abduction of Madeleine McCann from Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. "

Previous appeal
Police still need to identify this man:

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by Nelly6969 19.03.14 12:46

I agree, this part is very interesting, wonder what he means? but the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann.ChippyM wrote:This from the guardian is interesting,

[size=13.63636302947998]"While I completely accept that there are differences (between the break-ins and the McCann case), there is no abduction that we can see, but the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann.[/size]
[size=13.63636302947998]"It is really critical for us to identify this offender and prove or disprove whether he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance."[/size]
[size=13.63636302947998]Redwood said that if names are put forward, his team will be able to eliminate suspects from their inquiry. This suggests that police have DNA on file."[/size]

THere is NO abduction, as far as I can see!? does he mean, no abduction of MM outright, or no abduction in these other cases?

Eliminating suspects with DNA.....well it's not DNA that has come from apartment 5a is it?

On reading this I'm back to feeling like Andy Redwood is playing games again and not necessarily in the Mc's favour.

by SixMillionQuid 19.03.14 12:48

Why are the MET police looking for the person only in relation to Madeleine and not for the 12 alleged victims?

Why hasn't an ILOR been sent to Portugal in relation to these 12 alleged victims?

by jeanmonroe 19.03.14 12:49

"While I completely accept that there are differences (between the break-ins and the McCann case), there is no abduction that we can see, but the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann.

"It is really critical for us to identify this offender and prove or disprove whether he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance."
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FFS ANDY!

"there is NO abduction that we can see, but the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted"

NO 'abduction' BUT DCI Redwood 'assumes' from THAT, 'NO ABDUCTION' that Madeleine McCann HAS been 'abducted'!!!!!!!!!!!

(Andy's 'elites' MANTRA, chanted every morning, for half an hour, "stick to the 'remit' stick to the 'remit')

What fcuking planet is Redwood living on?

Never 'assume' anything Redwood

It will make an ASS out of U and ME!

by ChippyM 19.03.14 12:53

Jeanmonroe - don't you think that reads like some kind of convoluted gobbledigook that just almost sounds like he is admitting theres No abduction? and trying to say that some people have been led to believe there was one when there wasn't?

That's what I thought, kind of like he's talking in code.