Re: 3 Prime Suspects Identified

by tiny 05.01.14 8:34

I think redwood has lost the plot,perhaps this case is just a wee bit to much for him.

by Doug D 05.01.14 9:04

At least Tractorman can RIP now.

“Scotland Yard, which refused to comment, also ruled out Portuguese officers’ prime suspect – a man who had worked at the resort where the McCanns, of Rothley, Leics, stayed”.

“Yesterday a source close to parents Kate and Gerry………”

Good old Mirror.

by Swannie 05.01.14 10:08

Doug D wrote:At least Tractorman can RIP now.

“Scotland Yard, which refused to comment, also ruled out Portuguese officers’ prime suspect – a man who had worked at the resort where the McCanns, of Rothley, Leics, stayed”.

“Yesterday a source close to parents Kate and Gerry………”

Good old Mirror.

If "Scotland Yard refused to comment" but "a source" says, surely someone (in pink) should be arrested for impersonating a police officer and impeding a police investigation by disclosing information?

How does any of this help 'the search for Madeleine'? I certainly expect G & K to sue this "source" for alerting "the burglars" that the police have them in their sights.........

by **PeterMac** 05.01.14 12:14

One begins to feel sorry for the Abductors
Firstly M3 said they knew where they were and that they would have Madeleine back for Christmas.
So they had to move her
Then Halligen started
So they had to move her again
Then Edgar said she was in Australia
So they had to move her from Australia
Then he said she was in a Hellish Lair within 10 miles of PdL
So they had to clear out of the Hellish Lair.
Then Scotland Yard said a dead black heroin addict had her
So they had to get her back, and move her again
Now they have told the Gang of 3 Burglars that they are going to come to collect her - sometime soon - possibly
So they have had to move her yet again.

It's a dog's life being an Abductor !

Perhaps that is why Kate feels sorry for them, and has forgiven them.
She recognises all the trouble she has caused them
Perhaps The Fund will offer to pay their travel expenses

by plebgate 05.01.14 13:09

Doug D wrote:At least Tractorman can RIP now.

“Scotland Yard, which refused to comment, also ruled out Portuguese officers’ prime suspect – a man who had worked at the resort where the McCanns, of Rothley, Leics, stayed”.

“Yesterday a source close to parents Kate and Gerry………”

Good old Mirror.

Re. blue highlighting (mine) eh I thought I read somewhere that SY had asked Portugese police to look into this man, not that he was a lead given by Pt. police?

by aiyoyo 05.01.14 13:41

During their bungled investigation Portuguese police attached no significance to the break-in, which came a few days before Madeleine disappeared.

British detectives said this oversight was a ‘disgrace’.

Q. To who in particular would British detectives (in plural) have said this to ?

Following the Yard phone breakthrough, informal discussions have taken place about arresting the three burglars and searching their homes and other sites.
It is believed (by who) background checks have taken place into their criminal history, their circle of friends and relatives and the vehicles they have used.
British detectives believe the burglars may have panicked after they woke Madeleine up by mistake and decided to take her away with them.

Q. Why would MET have discussed with or informed anyone (Mccanns?) about operational matters, and to WHO in particular had the MET told this to ? Is it believable that MET would inform Mccanns about such operational matter?

An informed source said: ‘After all the far-fetched theories about what may have happened to Madeleine, there may be a far more simple explanation: that a burglary went horribly wrong.

'It is the main line of inquiry for British police".

It would be really interesting to find out who this "INFORMED" SOURCE might be - who told the Daily Mail all this garbage attributing the story as coming from British Detectives having informed him/her of (1) operational matter and (2) that it was their main line of enquiry.

One is left wondering why Newspapers continue to peddle Mcrubbish, knowing full well it is unsubstantiated bladerdash.
Any birdsize brain journalist would know its unlawful for Police to have informed Mccanns/McSource about operational matter let alone have told them which line of enquiry was being pursued at any given time?
So, the pertinent question might be : Are the Newspapers giving them ropes to hang themselves? It seems that way.......

ETA. Is Newspapers subject to FOI? Can they be asked to name their "informed source"
They may refuse to divulge it but shouldnt they be responsible for not misleading the public with Mcspin?

by Spook 05.01.14 14:05

aiyoyo wrote:ETA. Is Newspapers subject to FOI? Can they be asked to name their "informed source"
They may refuse to divulge it but shouldnt they be responsible for not misleading the public with Mcspin?

Afraid not - FOI requests can only be made to certain public bodies. As newspapers are private companies they are immune from FOI requests.

Spook

by Cristobell 05.01.14 14:13

I read yesterday's Mail article this morning. The police quotes they refer to pre date Crimewatch, but it has been worded so that it is interpreted as current. It is another nonsense 'pro' McCann story.

by Guest 05.01.14 14:35

Hmm. Would appear that Over the Hill is far away.

Wonder how he'd explain the last few days' ~~manipu~~ offerings from the agendaless press?

by aiyoyo 05.01.14 15:38

OTH buggers off showing tail between wolf bums over the yonder ages ago one would have thought.
Else he should explain why the Press failed to state the overturn of the book injunction, a fact that isn't libel risk at all to report.

by ProfessorPPlum 05.01.14 21:23

This is a bit obvious (and I may have missed the important information somewhere in all that confusion and disinformation) but are we supposed to believe that two well-paid medical professionals have PAYG phones? I don't know any professional people who have PAYG phones personally.

As to Redwood, it depresses me to go with my first instincts on the man - no matter how much I've wanted to believe he was playing some 'softlee-softlee-catchee-monkee' game. My immediate reaction was "Oh my god. This is a complete numpty, so far out of his depth that you can see the panic behind the eyes..."

Someone has put a plodder on this case because they don't want it solved. Not for any reason other than the powers that be in the UK need it to be some swarthy foreigner wot done it and some swarthy bumbling police force wot let them get away with it.

by Guest 05.01.14 21:38

ProfessorPPlum wrote:

As to Redwood, it depresses me to go with my first instincts on the man - no matter how much I've wanted to believe he was playing some 'softlee-softlee-catchee-monkee' game. My immediate reaction was "Oh my god. This is a complete numpty, so far out of his depth that you can see the panic behind the eyes..."

Someone has put a plodder on this case because they don't want it solved. Not for any reason other than the powers that be in the UK need it to be some swarthy foreigner wot done it and some swarthy bumbling police force wot let them get away with it.

PPPlum, I completely agree with you. All senior policemen have a manner that makes them come across as a bit "slow" but Redwood is pure "two planks" material, as far as I can tell. On first impressions alone I wouldn't task him with sweeping the floor.

by Guest 05.01.14 21:45

ppplum i mentioned that last night about the phones. reading David psynes rog he mentions his credit running out quickly on UK phone which is why on the 4th may they needed Portuguese ones. I believe they had their own bill phones,payg and these were dumped and then more payg received on 4th.
Also curious that only 2payg phones were given,one for mccanns and one for paynes, why?

by bobbin 05.01.14 21:48

tigger wrote:
Bellisa wrote:newington,
Sorry i wasn't clear I do understand what you say and agree as have been PAYG in the past.
From the rog he said that whenthey got the PAYG phones(Portuguese) it worked out cheaper than the credit on their original phones(UK).
I would have thought given the group were professionals that they would be using bill phones in UK not PAYG as he implied(seeing as he knew his credit was used quicker).
So has he slipped up and already had another(3rd) phone prior to the 4th or for a change was he honest and was only ever a PAYG UK customer.

A friend of the Paynes suppliedthe first set (allegedly) of PAYG phones.
Mitchell is supposed to have supplied another set - how many?
Wright and GM may have been looking for one amongst the rocks on the 6th/7th. That would be from another set imo. Most likely one or two used on the night of the 3rd imo.

That's an awful lot of untraceable numbers in a short time.

So might there be another connection here. Murat's phone was switched off for a long period, as was Gerry McCs (if I have got this right, please correct me someone if I'm wrong) and they were then switched back on again at almost the same moment.
I've always wondered how they would know or what coded message arranged in advance would cause this to happen.
Now if PAYG phones had been used during the week, and I'm still not convinced that an earlier date for a tragedy is not a possibility, then this 'coincidence of re-awakening mobile phones' does not seem so outlandish a thought.

by bobbin 05.01.14 21:53

Another thought. Pink Mitchel claimed that the McCs didn't have their mobile phones with them at the tapas dinners.
Perhaps he was telling the truth for one ephemeral moment (even the impossible is possible) and the 'contract mobiles' had been left at the apartment, but 'PAYG' phones had been taken to dinner instead. spin

by NickE 05.01.14 22:18

Good news that they have identified some burglars, perhaps one of them can tell SY or PJ that Maddie was not in apartment 5A at the time because she was already gone.

by ultimaThule 05.01.14 22:20

ProfessorPPlum wrote:This is a bit obvious (and I may have missed the important information somewhere in all that confusion and disinformation) but are we supposed to believe that two well-paid medical professionals have PAYG phones? I don't know any professional people who have PAYG phones personally.

As to Redwood, it depresses me to go with my first instincts on the man - no matter how much I've wanted to believe he was playing some 'softlee-softlee-catchee-monkee' game. My immediate reaction was "Oh my god. This is a complete numpty, so far out of his depth that you can see the panic behind the eyes..."

Someone has put a plodder on this case because they don't want it solved. Not for any reason other than the powers that be in the UK need it to be some swarthy foreigner wot done it and some swarthy bumbling police force wot let them get away with it.

I had reservations about Redwood but, unlike the McCanns' expressions of late, there's no sign of panic behind his eyes.

To those who've studied it in any depth, the complexities of this case are apparent and in seeking resolution, if not further revelation, what's required is a relentlessly methodical approach which leaves no stone that could be used by the defence as a safe place to crawl under unturned.

by Doug D 05.01.14 22:24

Bobbin,

I agree with your thinking about what is 'truth' from a spun perspective

But then the bungling burglars would have had something to pinch quickly, along with the watches that nobody wore to dinner, passports, video cameras, drugs etc etc, rather than a screaming, probably hysterical, frightened four year old.

Sorry Peter Mac, I think this is where we came in! Round & round it goes as ever.

by Guest 05.01.14 23:19

ultimaThule wrote:
I had reservations about Redwood but, unlike the McCanns' expressions of late, there's no sign of panic behind his eyes.
To those who've studied it in any depth, the complexities of this case are apparent and in seeking resolution, if not further revelation, what's required is a relentlessly methodical approach which leaves no stone that could be used by the defence as a safe place to crawl under unturned.

***
I agree totally.

BTW I repeat, that I think AR could be jolly good company, when NOT being seriously involved in something like McC case...

by ProfessorPPlum 05.01.14 23:28

Ultima Thule and Chatelaine
Your optimism lifts me a little - thanks! I agree that AR has become really stone-faced lately and it's not panic behind his eyes any more, something else... I'd forgotten that. I was thinking back to my first impression. I hope you're right and he's found his feet and become serious. We just have to remember firstly that it's not SY's place to comment on the b*llsh*t in the mainstream media and secondly that the mainstream media will continue to put out garbage like this to sell more papers.

by aiyoyo 05.01.14 23:39

loopzdaloop wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:It tells you that from very early on investigators were focusing on forensics of their phones. So why should it be any difference now?

Definitatly.

I find it interesting that upon being asked for the payg phone that Payne says : " you can have my other one and look through my text messages" which is quite something to say. Nobody mentioned reading texts!

My other one ? What a strange thing to say. No incriminating messages in this one then.
Meaning he had one more (which he didnt offer) .........the significance is obvious.

by Guest 05.01.14 23:42

ProfessorPPlum wrote:Ultima Thule and Chatelaine
Your optimism lifts me a little - thanks! I agree that AR has become really stone-faced lately and it's not panic behind his eyes any more, something else... I'd forgotten that. I was thinking back to my first impression. I hope you're right and he's found his feet and become serious. We just have to remember firstly that it's not SY's place to comment on the b*llsh*t in the mainstream media and secondly that the mainstream media will continue to put out garbage like this to sell more papers.

If Redwood had panic in his eyes at the beginning I wonder if it was because he knew he was between a rock and a hardplace. His mission ostensibly to find a solution and closure for this case and evidence to support that conclusion, as long as that conclusion didn't involve the McCanns and the powers that protected them 6 years ago? An mission impossible?

I think his original remit may have resembled that. Whether something has shifted behind the scenes and the McCanns are to be offered as a compromise to the whole truth coming out, and it is this release that has precipitated the hardness and determination AR has assumed of late, I couldn't say.

by Guest 05.01.14 23:50

As for the phones and the ridiculous cost excuse (rich professionals plunged into a crisis of the worst kind don't immediately worry about money), the simple fact is that their own mobile records were wiped that night before the immediate appropriation of untraceable substitutes. Concealment, not cost, one could conclude, at the risk of stating the bleeding obvious.

by NickE 06.01.14 12:03

Maybe OT.
I read somewhere that the D.A in Portugal never cleared McCanns.
Have McCann´s been 100% cleared in Portugal?

by beijos 06.01.14 13:42

ultimaThule wrote:While travelling in Spain back in 1998/99, I bought a new Sony Ericsson PAYG mobile for a modest sum - special offer c£25. There was no requirement to register it to my name. I topped it up at whatever gas station or other outlet I happened to come across whenever the credit was getting low and I expect similar deals were available in/around Luz in May 2007.

As I very much doubt they were tipped off about the press hacking phones, it would appear the McCanns and their pals had other reasons for ensuring their communications stayed private and it's more likely their primary concern was the possibility of the police tracing and/or listening to their calls.

When trawling through the data, it may be that unexplained activity between Luz and places the McCanns and their pals are known to have called on their registered mobiles will come to light.

Slowly, slowly, catchee monkey...

I find it hard to believe the McCanns purchased Portuguese pre-pay phones on their holiday.

We bought a pre-pay mobile cell phone in 2007 in Portugal. It was a drama as you needed a NIF (Fiscal Tax number like the UK National Insurance Card), prior to purchase. The same went for pay as you go mobile broadband dongles. The only places I know to top up phones are at MultiBancos (requires a Portugal Bank Account, Multibanco Card and Portuguese language skills), and the network provider shops (Nearest ones to Luz are in Lagos).

Also, Luz is a small place, and had/has no shops selling mobile phones. The only place they may have bought pre-pay phones from would be the Vodafone shop at Faro Airport outside the arrivals hall. They're a little more accommodating there. One more thing, the mobile handsets were/are expensive in Portugal.

beijos

by Daisy 06.01.14 14:04

beijos wrote:
I find it hard to believe the McCanns purchased Portuguese pre-pay phones on their holiday.

We bought a pre-pay mobile cell phone in 2007 in Portugal. It was a drama as you needed a NIF (Fiscal Tax number like the UK National Insurance Card), prior to purchase. The same went for pay as you go mobile broadband dongles. The only places I know to top up phones are at MultiBancos (requires a Portugal Bank Account, Multibanco Card and Portuguese language skills), and the network provider shops (Nearest ones to Luz are in Lagos).

Also, Luz is a small place, and had/has no shops selling mobile phones. The only place they may have bought pre-pay phones from would be the Vodafone shop at Faro Airport outside the arrivals hall. They're a little more accommodating there. One more thing, the mobile handsets were/are expensive in Portugal.

beijos

Ahh but it's no what you know, it's who you know Beljos. See Fiona Payne's Brother in law Simon Alridge has a brother called N, his wife also N, had friends in the Algarve who were just you know basic people and they sorted it. Simple see. titter

485 "Who lent you these phones that SA had organised for you''
Reply "Err I mean, S brother err is a gentleman called Nand N's wife N had got friends out in the Algarve and they were just you know basic people

by aiyoyo 06.01.14 14:15

Daisy wrote:
beijos wrote:
I find it hard to believe the McCanns purchased Portuguese pre-pay phones on their holiday.

We bought a pre-pay mobile cell phone in 2007 in Portugal. It was a drama as you needed a NIF (Fiscal Tax number like the UK National Insurance Card), prior to purchase. The same went for pay as you go mobile broadband dongles. The only places I know to top up phones are at MultiBancos (requires a Portugal Bank Account, Multibanco Card and Portuguese language skills), and the network provider shops (Nearest ones to Luz are in Lagos).

Also, Luz is a small place, and had/has no shops selling mobile phones. The only place they may have bought pre-pay phones from would be the Vodafone shop at Faro Airport outside the arrivals hall. They're a little more accommodating there. One more thing, the mobile handsets were/are expensive in Portugal.

beijos
Ahh but it's no what you know, it's who you know Beljos. See Fiona Payne's Brother in law Simon Alridge has a brother called N, his wife also N, had friends in the Algarve who were just you know basic people and they sorted it. Simple see.

485 "Who lent you these phones that SA had organised for you''
Reply "Err I mean, S brother err is a gentleman called Nand N's wife N had got friends out in the Algarve and they were just you know basic people

'...just basic people' the Police were told, they couldn't have known that before they were told.

by Rasputin 06.01.14 14:15

Daisy wrote:
beijos wrote:
I find it hard to believe the McCanns purchased Portuguese pre-pay phones on their holiday.

We bought a pre-pay mobile cell phone in 2007 in Portugal. It was a drama as you needed a NIF (Fiscal Tax number like the UK National Insurance Card), prior to purchase. The same went for pay as you go mobile broadband dongles. The only places I know to top up phones are at MultiBancos (requires a Portugal Bank Account, Multibanco Card and Portuguese language skills), and the network provider shops (Nearest ones to Luz are in Lagos).

Also, Luz is a small place, and had/has no shops selling mobile phones. The only place they may have bought pre-pay phones from would be the Vodafone shop at Faro Airport outside the arrivals hall. They're a little more accommodating there. One more thing, the mobile handsets were/are expensive in Portugal.

beijos
Ahh but it's no what you know, it's who you know Beljos. See Fiona Payne's Brother in law Simon Alridge has a brother called N, his wife also N, had friends in the Algarve who were just you know basic people and they sorted it. Simple see.

485 "Who lent you these phones that SA had organised for you''
Reply "Err I mean, S brother err is a gentleman called Nand N's wife N had got friends out in the Algarve and they were just you know basic people

They may have had one or two other ' friendlies ' ...
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

by aiyoyo 06.01.14 14:16

NickE wrote:Maybe OT.
I read somewhere that the D.A in Portugal never cleared McCanns.
Have McCann´s been 100% cleared in Portugal?

A resounding NO!

by aiyoyo 06.01.14 14:21

Rasputin wrote:
Daisy wrote:
beijos wrote:
I find it hard to believe the McCanns purchased Portuguese pre-pay phones on their holiday.

We bought a pre-pay mobile cell phone in 2007 in Portugal. It was a drama as you needed a NIF (Fiscal Tax number like the UK National Insurance Card), prior to purchase. The same went for pay as you go mobile broadband dongles. The only places I know to top up phones are at MultiBancos (requires a Portugal Bank Account, Multibanco Card and Portuguese language skills), and the network provider shops (Nearest ones to Luz are in Lagos).

Also, Luz is a small place, and had/has no shops selling mobile phones. The only place they may have bought pre-pay phones from would be the Vodafone shop at Faro Airport outside the arrivals hall. They're a little more accommodating there. One more thing, the mobile handsets were/are expensive in Portugal.

beijos
Ahh but it's no what you know, it's who you know Beljos. See Fiona Payne's Brother in law Simon Alridge has a brother called N, his wife also N, had friends in the Algarve who were just you know basic people and they sorted it. Simple see.

485 "Who lent you these phones that SA had organised for you''
Reply "Err I mean, S brother err is a gentleman called Nand N's wife N had got friends out in the Algarve and they were just you know basic people
They may have had one or two other ' friendlies ' ...
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

So the AG was wrong when he concluded they'd no friends that could have helped them .....

What people in the right mind with a missing child thought immediately of deleting messages, sourcing friends and obtaining throw-away-PAYG nr?

Latest topics