Re: 3 Prime Suspects Identified

by Smokeandmirrors 04.01.14 21:02

Monty Heck wrote: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Today at 7:32 pm

Excellent, many thanks Daisy. It answers a number of questions but as you say raises many more!

Unless I am misunderstanding, somebody went to a whole lot of trouble to get these 2 phones to them at a very early and critical stage in the investigation, when the child could have been found at any moment. They were so crucial (well, KMcC's battery might have been getting a bit low) they had to be delivered while they were all at the police station giving witness statements about the night before. But not that important really because they didn't know how to use them what with them being Portuguese so only used them sometimes to contact K and G and never bothered to top them up; but at the same time he claims they were needed to save the expense of using their own mobiles. If credibility were elastic there would not be enough here to make a garter for a canary.

Brilliant!!

by Monty Heck 04.01.14 21:10

Smokeandmirrors wrote:
Monty Heck wrote: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Today at 7:32 pm

Excellent, many thanks Daisy. It answers a number of questions but as you say raises many more!

Unless I am misunderstanding, somebody went to a whole lot of trouble to get these 2 phones to them at a very early and critical stage in the investigation, when the child could have been found at any moment. They were so crucial (well, KMcC's battery might have been getting a bit low) they had to be delivered while they were all at the police station giving witness statements about the night before. But not that important really because they didn't know how to use them what with them being Portuguese so only used them sometimes to contact K and G and never bothered to top them up; but at the same time he claims they were needed to save the expense of using their own mobiles. If credibility were elastic there would not be enough here to make a garter for a canary.

Brilliant!!

Unfortunately the same goes for so much of the witness testimony sad

. How the police officers of either country endured these sessions we can only imagine.

by currio 04.01.14 21:16

Châtelaine wrote:I'm reminded of Rebello - think of him what you want - sitting in & watching these rogatory interviews and then leaving within 2 days to go back to Portugal. I do have some understanding, as it must have been a very, very frustrating experience ...

Rebello...what ever become of him? Is he still the PJ in charge? Last I heard of him, was their release aaagh

by ultimaThule 04.01.14 21:19

This is by way of an aside which I believe has some relevance here:

It seems probable that every one of the Tapas 7 was collected from their home and taken to the police station and chauffeured home by Leicestershire police after they'd made their statements.

This suggests a certain formality, for want of a better term, to the proceedings but it appears that none of them have been interviewed under caution.

It could be that if all/any of this motley crew were to be interviewed under caution they'll lawyer up and go down the 'no comment' route, but I can't envisage any one of them acquiting themselves well in any criminal trial related to this case where standing in the witness box and parroting 'no comment' is not an option and where nothing is likely to escape the attention of the judge, the prosecution, the defence, and the jury.

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by Newintown 04.01.14 21:29

Châtelaine wrote:I'm reminded of Rebello - think of him what you want - sitting in & watching these rogatory interviews and then leaving within 2 days to go back to Portugal. I do have some understanding, as it must have been a very, very frustrating experience ...

I often wonder whether the rogatory interviews were held deliberately in a sly way to analyse the differences between the original interviews and the rogatory interviews given by the McCanns and their "friends", and to see which way the wind was blowing with regard to lies and distortions. Maybe I've been watching too many CSI or Columbo TV programmes but the police in all countries seem to have their own sly way in which to elicit information from their suspects.

by Daisy 04.01.14 21:35

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Daisy wrote:Sorry it's a bit long, but this should answer quite a few questions regarding the PAYG phones. It also raises many more.

If I was getting interviewed by DC Messiah I'd be dying to go "Come again?" after every question....

But I digress. Payne. What a dodgy sod. I can't believe it was allowed to rest at that, but it shows that the PJ were also suspicious about the additional phones. What make of phones were K and G's again? And what kind of halfwit goes away for a week and doesn't take a phone charger?

Credulity stretched beyond breaking point AGAIN.

I agree with the rest of your points, but I have to say I don't think DC Messiah was 'allowing it to rest at that' considering his last requests of the Interview. Who knows what happened afterwards.

Did Dave phone Fiona? Did Fiona remember where the phone could be? Did DC Messiah give Dave a lift home to retrieve the phone?

DC Messiah seemed keen to get his hands on that phone.

by bobbin 04.01.14 21:35

Newintown wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:I'm reminded of Rebello - think of him what you want - sitting in & watching these rogatory interviews and then leaving within 2 days to go back to Portugal. I do have some understanding, as it must have been a very, very frustrating experience ...

I often wonder whether the rogatory interviews were held deliberately in a sly way to analyse the differences between the original interviews and the rogatory interviews given by the McCanns and their "friends", and to see which way the wind was blowing with regard to lies and distortions. Maybe I've been watching too many CSI or Columbo TV programmes but the police in all countries seem to have their own sly way in which to elicit information from their suspects.

I've also wondered that. The interviewer gave nothing away, just slight nudges to carry on, leaving the interviewee to ramble on at length, to make his/her on contradictions or evasions. I think the interviewing has been more clever than not, and this leads me to believe more in a resolution (Andy Redwood style) for knowing what happened to Madeleine than a potential whitewash.,,,, but I'm wary of course in this belief....just I'm more off the fence than on it. smilie

by Daisy 04.01.14 22:03

Monty Heck wrote: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Today at 7:32 pm

Excellent, many thanks Daisy. It answers a number of questions but as you say raises many more!

Unless I am misunderstanding, somebody went to a whole lot of trouble to get these 2 phones to them at a very early and critical stage in the investigation, when the child could have been found at any moment. They were so crucial (well, KMcC's battery might have been getting a bit low) they had to be delivered while they were all at the police station giving witness statements about the night before. But not that important really because they didn't know how to use them what with them being Portuguese so only used them sometimes to contact K and G and never bothered to top them up; but at the same time he claims they were needed to save the expense of using their own mobiles. If credibility were elastic there would not be enough here to make a garter for a canary.

This bit strikes me too Monty Heck.

Dianne Webster was also questioned about the calls involving the guy that set up the delivery of the PAYG phones, (her son in law) Simon Aldridge. Now if only we knew the timing of these calls she was being quizzed on? It's a pity because until this last number she was questioned about DC Ferguson gave times of the communications, unfortunately not with this one.

4078    “And the last number then Dianne is o, seven, eight, nine, nine, eight, one, eight, seven, one, three.”

Reply    “One, three. Who else would I have called?”

4078    “Do you know a Dave MIDDLETON?”

Reply    “Dave MIDDLETON? (Shakes head).”

4078    “No?”

Reply    “No.”

4078    “Do you know anybody in Doncaster?”

Reply    “Err no, but Louise, my middle daughter, she’s married to err Simon ALDRIDGE who, his company err Doncaster, I’m sure it’s around Doncaster where his business is.”

4078    “What’s his line of work?”

Reply    “They’re err it’s a roof tiler.”

4078    “That’s the one yeah.”

Reply    “Yeah.”

4078    “Yeah. Sandtoft Roof Tiles.”

Reply    “Sandtoft yeah that’s it.”

4078    “The person that’s bought the phone or registered the phone must be called Dave MIDDLETON. Okay, so that’s your son in-law then?”

Reply    “Yeah. Well not the Dave MIDDLETON, he’s not.”

4078    “No.”

Reply   “No. My son in-law’s…”

4078    “Simon ALDRIDGE.”

Reply    “Yeah.”

4078    “That’s it for the phone numbers.”

Reply    “That’s it for the phone numbers.”

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by Okeydokey 04.01.14 23:22

Newintown wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:I'm reminded of Rebello - think of him what you want - sitting in & watching these rogatory interviews and then leaving within 2 days to go back to Portugal. I do have some understanding, as it must have been a very, very frustrating experience ...

I often wonder whether the rogatory interviews were held deliberately in a sly way to analyse the differences between the original interviews and the rogatory interviews given by the McCanns and their "friends", and to see which way the wind was blowing with regard to lies and distortions. Maybe I've been watching too many CSI or Columbo TV programmes but the police in all countries seem to have their own sly way in which to elicit information from their suspects.

Yes you have. The rogatory interviews were designed to be as soft as possible on the McCanns and their pals.

by currio 04.01.14 23:27

Okeydokey wrote:
Newintown wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:I'm reminded of Rebello - think of him what you want - sitting in & watching these rogatory interviews and then leaving within 2 days to go back to Portugal. I do have some understanding, as it must have been a very, very frustrating experience ...

I often wonder whether the rogatory interviews were held deliberately in a sly way to analyse the differences between the original interviews and the rogatory interviews given by the McCanns and their "friends", and to see which way the wind was blowing with regard to lies and distortions. Maybe I've been watching too many CSI or Columbo TV programmes but the police in all countries seem to have their own sly way in which to elicit information from their suspects.

Yes you have. The rogatory interviews were designed to be as soft as possible on the McCanns and their pals.

My thoughts too Okeydokey......designed to let them off the hook sad

by KellyLennon 04.01.14 23:41

Daisy wrote:Sorry it's a bit long, but this should answer quite a few questions regarding the PAYG phones. It also raises many more.

DP's Rog statement:

1485 "I just, there's just some areas that I've been asked to point out, or been asked to speak to you about.'
Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Who lent you these phones that SA had organised for you''
Reply "Err I mean, S brother err is a gentleman called Nand N's wife N had got friends out in the Algarve and they were just you know basic people who were just willing to help us in whatever capacity it was, whether we wanted a room for the night or anything and they asked is there anything we can do, err whether they could do, and err and that was, you know, that was one thing we said well actually you know err Kate's phone's nearly ran out, we're sat, we don't know how long we're gonna be at the Police Station you know could, you know, can they, you know is there any way of getting phones to us just so that you know, we can, for communication. Err and err so that was, that was a capacity really err of people.'

01:04:02 1485 "And where were these phones, when did these phones arrive''
Reply "Err when did we get the phones' When we were at the Police Station, err you know as, you know I just asked whether I could just pop downstairs there was someone who's brought us phones and they said yeah, so I quickly popped downstairs, got the phones, and took them back into the Police Station. Err I can't remember if there was any power in them when we opened them up but err so then that was, you know, so the phones were just, you know because we hadn't got any other, anything there, so.'

1485 "And what phones were they' Do you remember what sort of, what make they were''
Reply "Err they were Samsung phones, err and I think they were Vodaphone SIM cards. Err the actual model, I can't tell you the Samsung phone but they were, something like the Samsung three hundred, something like that.'

1485 "Yeah, how many phones were there''
Reply "There was, there was two err and we ended up, err again, we ended up keeping one and Kate and Gerry had one, I think we gave the second one to Kate and Gerry as well after a while but we were err you know because they'd got credit put on to them so we were just using those phones rather than run up the expense of our own phones.'

1485 "Yeah.'
01:05:33 Reply "So err yeah.'

1485 "So the two phones, you've kept one and gave one to Kate and Gerry''
Reply "Kate and Gerry yeah.'

1485 "And do you have the numbers of those phones in your phone''
Reply "I don't, no, no.'

1485 "Where are these phones now''
Reply "Err as far as I am aware that they, you know, remained in Portugal, again''

1485 "With whom''
Reply "With Kate and Gerry.'

1485 "So Kate and Gerry took possession of that second phone which you had''
Reply "Well, they certainly kept the first one, the second one, the second one, sorry, no I think that's rubbish. I think I, I may well have got the, I might have got the second phone. Actually I've got a sneaky feeling when I got home I tried the UK SIM card in it and it didn't work so I could well have got the second phone.'

1485 "So is it likely that this second phone is at your home address''
Reply "Err that is a strong possibility.'

1485 "So two Samsung phones.'
Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

1485 "One is, to your knowledge, still with Kate and Gerry.'
Reply "Yeah.'
1485 "The other one you may well have at your home address.'
Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

1485 "Did you use the phones often''
Reply "Not''

1485 "In Portugal''
Reply "Not a great deal no, no, it was, it was, first of all you know we didn't have any numbers in them already and then with being a Portuguese phone you know it was just a bit more difficult so we, if we ever used them, I mean which wasn't often, we'd perhaps call Kate and Gerry using the Portuguese phone, but it wasn't a kind of religious oh we'll just use the, that Portuguese phone to err you know establish communication.'

1485 "Yeah.'
01:07:23 Reply "Err you know and the other reason that we, we had the, one of the phones is because Fiona didn't have a phone either so you know, so it's like she had the use of the other phone as well.'

1485 "Right, so out of the two of you then, who predominantly used that phone''
Reply "I'd say Fiona.'

1485 "Fiona''
Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "And has it been used since it's been in the UK''
Reply "No.'

1485 "Okay, okay.'
Reply "And I'm just trying to think you know how much, you know the, the, I can't remember you know obviously we were there for four weeks after but when the actual credit ran out, because I remember the credit running out and not being able to actually put anymore on even though it's supposed to be quite straight forward but again, you know whether that was after, you know, three weeks of being out there or whatever I can't remember.'

1485 "Yeah, how many times do you think you topped it up then''
Reply "I don't, I don't think we did, I don't think I did. I don't think I could work out how to do it to be honest.'

1485 "So when both of them arrived both of them had credit on them''
Reply "They put, I think they put, I think err I think they put forty pound credit or forty euros, you know, which seemed to last a lot longer than the amount of credit we were (inaudible) we were using our own err mobile phones.'
1485 "Just wait there a second I'll just (inaudible).'
Reply "Okay.'
01:08:40 DC MESSIAH leaves the interview room.
01:09:00 DC MESSIAH re-enters the interview room.

1485 "All done.'
Reply "Okay.'

1485 "The phone, is it likely that I could collect it when I take you home''
Reply "I can certainly have a look for it and I can give you, I mean if you, if you wanted to have my other mobile phone with all the numbers in and you know if you can access text messages on that you're welcome to have that phone.'

1485 "Okay, do you know where you'd be able to put your hand on it if you''
Reply "Err the Samsung one, again, there was a Vodaphone bag that was knocking around, and that would be where it is if err I can find it. Fiona might know.'

1485 "Okay, perhaps you could give her a call or something.'
Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

1485 "Alright then, it's now sixteen forty on this date.'
01:09:48 The interview ceased at 1640 hours when the tape recorder was switched off.
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So... between all of them,plus all the friends in high places not one of them knew how to top up a payg phone.... duh

by Guest 04.01.14 23:42

Daisy wrote:Sorry it's a bit long, but this should answer quite a few questions regarding the PAYG phones. It also raises many more.

DP's Rog statement:

1485 "I just, there's just some areas that I've been asked to point out, or been asked to speak to you about.'
Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "Who lent you these phones that SA had organised for you''
Reply "Err I mean, S brother err is a gentleman called Nand N's wife N had got friends out in the Algarve and they were just you know basic people who were just willing to help us in whatever capacity it was, whether we wanted a room for the night or anything and they asked is there anything we can do, err whether they could do, and err and that was, you know, that was one thing we said well actually you know err Kate's phone's nearly ran out, we're sat, we don't know how long we're gonna be at the Police Station you know could, you know, can they, you know is there any way of getting phones to us just so that you know, we can, for communication. Err and err so that was, that was a capacity really err of people.'

01:04:02 1485 "And where were these phones, when did these phones arrive''
Reply "Err when did we get the phones' When we were at the Police Station, err you know as, you know I just asked whether I could just pop downstairs there was someone who's brought us phones and they said yeah, so I quickly popped downstairs, got the phones, and took them back into the Police Station. Err I can't remember if there was any power in them when we opened them up but err so then that was, you know, so the phones were just, you know because we hadn't got any other, anything there, so.'

1485 "And what phones were they' Do you remember what sort of, what make they were''
Reply "Err they were Samsung phones, err and I think they were Vodaphone SIM cards. Err the actual model, I can't tell you the Samsung phone but they were, something like the Samsung three hundred, something like that.'

1485 "Yeah, how many phones were there''
Reply "There was, there was two err and we ended up, err again, we ended up keeping one and Kate and Gerry had one, I think we gave the second one to Kate and Gerry as well after a while but we were err you know because they'd got credit put on to them so we were just using those phones rather than run up the expense of our own phones.'

1485 "Yeah.'
01:05:33 Reply "So err yeah.'

1485 "So the two phones, you've kept one and gave one to Kate and Gerry''
Reply "Kate and Gerry yeah.'

1485 "And do you have the numbers of those phones in your phone''
Reply "I don't, no, no.'

1485 "Where are these phones now''
Reply "Err as far as I am aware that they, you know, remained in Portugal, again''

1485 "With whom''
Reply "With Kate and Gerry.'

1485 "So Kate and Gerry took possession of that second phone which you had''
Reply "Well, they certainly kept the first one, the second one, the second one, sorry, no I think that's rubbish. I think I, I may well have got the, I might have got the second phone. Actually I've got a sneaky feeling when I got home I tried the UK SIM card in it and it didn't work so I could well have got the second phone.'

1485 "So is it likely that this second phone is at your home address''
Reply "Err that is a strong possibility.'

1485 "So two Samsung phones.'
Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

1485 "One is, to your knowledge, still with Kate and Gerry.'
Reply "Yeah.'
1485 "The other one you may well have at your home address.'
Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

1485 "Did you use the phones often''
Reply "Not''

1485 "In Portugal''
Reply "Not a great deal no, no, it was, it was, first of all you know we didn't have any numbers in them already and then with being a Portuguese phone you know it was just a bit more difficult so we, if we ever used them, I mean which wasn't often, we'd perhaps call Kate and Gerry using the Portuguese phone, but it wasn't a kind of religious oh we'll just use the, that Portuguese phone to err you know establish communication.'

1485 "Yeah.'
01:07:23 Reply "Err you know and the other reason that we, we had the, one of the phones is because Fiona didn't have a phone either so you know, so it's like she had the use of the other phone as well.'

1485 "Right, so out of the two of you then, who predominantly used that phone''
Reply "I'd say Fiona.'

1485 "Fiona''
Reply "Yeah.'

1485 "And has it been used since it's been in the UK''
Reply "No.'

1485 "Okay, okay.'
Reply "And I'm just trying to think you know how much, you know the, the, I can't remember you know obviously we were there for four weeks after but when the actual credit ran out, because I remember the credit running out and not being able to actually put anymore on even though it's supposed to be quite straight forward but again, you know whether that was after, you know, three weeks of being out there or whatever I can't remember.'

1485 "Yeah, how many times do you think you topped it up then''
Reply "I don't, I don't think we did, I don't think I did. I don't think I could work out how to do it to be honest.'

1485 "So when both of them arrived both of them had credit on them''
Reply "They put, I think they put, I think err I think they put forty pound credit or forty euros, you know, which seemed to last a lot longer than the amount of credit we were (inaudible) we were using our own err mobile phones.'
1485 "Just wait there a second I'll just (inaudible).'
Reply "Okay.'
01:08:40 DC MESSIAH leaves the interview room.
01:09:00 DC MESSIAH re-enters the interview room.

1485 "All done.'
Reply "Okay.'

1485 "The phone, is it likely that I could collect it when I take you home''
Reply "I can certainly have a look for it and I can give you, I mean if you, if you wanted to have my other mobile phone with all the numbers in and you know if you can access text messages on that you're welcome to have that phone.'

1485 "Okay, do you know where you'd be able to put your hand on it if you''
Reply "Err the Samsung one, again, there was a Vodaphone bag that was knocking around, and that would be where it is if err I can find it. Fiona might know.'

1485 "Okay, perhaps you could give her a call or something.'
Reply "Yeah, yeah.'

1485 "Alright then, it's now sixteen forty on this date.'
01:09:48 The interview ceased at 1640 hours when the tape recorder was switched off.
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Second paragraph: 'Anything, whether we wanted a room for the night'

wft

by Spook 05.01.14 0:21

"1485 "So when both of them arrived both of them had credit on them''
Reply "They put, I think they put, I think err I think they put forty pound credit or forty euros, you know, which seemed to last a lot longer than the amount of credit we were (inaudible) we were using our own err mobile phones.'
1485 "Just wait there a second I'll just (inaudible).'
Reply "Okay.'
01:08:40 DC MESSIAH leaves the interview room.
01:09:00 DC MESSIAH re-enters the interview room."

So, why did DC Messiah leave the interview for 20 seconds, and what was said to him that abruptly terminated the interview?

Spook

by aiyoyo 05.01.14 1:11

He was probably pulled out by person watching the interview, suggestion put to him to ask Payne for the phone. He then goofed it up by suggesting Payne phone (thereby forewarning) Fiona beforehand. Not smart move.

by currio 05.01.14 1:19

Spook wrote:"1485 "So when both of them arrived both of them had credit on them''
Reply "They put, I think they put, I think err I think they put forty pound credit or forty euros, you know, which seemed to last a lot longer than the amount of credit we were (inaudible) we were using our own err mobile phones.'
1485 "Just wait there a second I'll just (inaudible).'
Reply "Okay.'
01:08:40 DC MESSIAH leaves the interview room.
01:09:00 DC MESSIAH re-enters the interview room."

So, why did DC Messiah leave the interview for 20 seconds, and what was said to him that abruptly terminated the interview?

Spook

Did he condradict himself??? .....if he was using a contract phone.. how would he know this before receiving the bill.
E phones were'nt too common back then, where you could have instant access to your credit balance on contract.

by loopzdaloop 05.01.14 1:24

Ristretto wrote:
ulyssesoh wrote:To be fair it makes perfect sense to get pay as you go phones if you anticipate staying in another country for more than a week or two - and making lots of in-country calls, which would undoubtedly have been the case here. I've always bought a local SIM for my unlocked mobile if I'm visiting another country for a while. Otherwise you get totally hammered with roaming charges for local calls. I'd have also kept my existing phone for calls back home.

I agree absolutely. As a regular traveller there is nothing remotely surprising or odd about someone getting hold of local phones or sim cards if they are likely to make local calls in other countries. The roaming charges were horrendous even just six or seven years ago though they are a bit better now.

A few years ago it wasn't as easy to just get hold of a sim card when abroad and there were companies offering local mobiles for short term rent at most airports as you arrived and this was cheaper than getting a big bill for roaming charges. If you knew somebody local you could get them to get hold of a cheap phone for you with local sim though and that worked out cheaper still.

The fact that the phones were delivered to Payne at the police station is probably explained by the fact that the friends lived nearer to that place than PDL.

Disagree entirely. With their level of income payasyougo mobiles would be irrelevant to the loss of their daughter. Especially considering they were using the phones to call UK (apparently) and the cost on payasyougo back then was much more expensive than you would be charged on a contract.

It is clear to me the benefit of using those phones was not 'cost'. Especially baring in mind their deleting messages and calls from call logs. The purpose of those phones was to be 'untraceable'. The fact the mccanns never accused the newspapers of hacking their phones when the newspapers were all over everyone else speaks volumes. It worked.

However, technology has advanced and data dumps of 'pings' can be analysed much easier now.
Messages will also be recoverable.

by aiyoyo 05.01.14 1:26

It tells you that from very early on investigators were focusing on forensics of their phones. So why should it be any difference now?

by Guest 05.01.14 1:27

yes currio i thought same when read that. surely he would only know the cost when receiving bill one month later. I understand it could be guessed but taking roaming charges etc in I think its a slip up.

by loopzdaloop 05.01.14 1:30

Monty Heck wrote:
Woofer wrote:Regarding the Payasyougo phones - on the 4th May they didn`t know that Madeleine wouldn`t turn up that day or the next - so didn`t know they would be staying on.

Also, could it be that the PJ took possession of their personal phones? So they were put in touch with someone who could supply them with temporary phones.

Just trying to eliminate all possibilities.
Precisely. Why such urgency for delivery of an unspecified number of PAYG mobiles, a matter of hours after the disappearance of a child who at that point could have turned up any minute? So urgent that delivery could not wait until statements being taken at Portimao PJ station were complete, which seems surprising since giving statements would normally be the matter given greatest priority that day.

Is it possible that they could have been tipped off about the phone tapping apparently rife within the print media, which didn't become public until much later? They certainly appear to have gone to great and immediate lengths to ensure private communications remained so.

Agree with this. (just caught up)

by loopzdaloop 05.01.14 1:47

aiyoyo wrote:It tells you that from very early on investigators were focusing on forensics of their phones. So why should it be any difference now?

Definitatly.

I find it interesting that upon being asked for the payg phone that Payne says : " you can have my other one and look through my text messages" which is quite something to say. Nobody mentioned reading texts!

by Newintown 05.01.14 2:00

Bellisa wrote:yes currio i thought same when read that. surely he would only know the cost when receiving bill one month later. I understand it could be guessed but taking roaming charges etc in I think its a slip up.

I have a PAYG phone as I very rarely use it, you pay in advance for what credit you want to put on the phone i.e. £20, £40, £60. You can top it up in a number of ways, I do mine on the internet; you get a message from your provider when the credit is low.

by ultimaThule 05.01.14 2:36

While travelling in Spain back in 1998/99, I bought a new Sony Ericsson PAYG mobile for a modest sum - special offer c£25. There was no requirement to register it to my name. I topped it up at whatever gas station or other outlet I happened to come across whenever the credit was getting low and I expect similar deals were available in/around Luz in May 2007.

As I very much doubt they were tipped off about the press hacking phones, it would appear the McCanns and their pals had other reasons for ensuring their communications stayed private and it's more likely their primary concern was the possibility of the police tracing and/or listening to their calls.

When trawling through the data, it may be that unexplained activity between Luz and places the McCanns and their pals are known to have called on their registered mobiles will come to light.

Slowly, slowly, catchee monkey...

by currio 05.01.14 2:52

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by Guest 05.01.14 3:00

newington,
Sorry i wasn't clear I do understand what you say and agree as have been PAYG in the past.
From the rog he said that whenthey got the PAYG phones(Portuguese) it worked out cheaper than the credit on their original phones(UK).
I would have thought given the group were professionals that they would be using bill phones in UK not PAYG as he implied(seeing as he knew his credit was used quicker).
So has he slipped up and already had another(3rd) phone prior to the 4th or for a change was he honest and was only ever a PAYG UK customer.

by jeanmonroe 05.01.14 3:05

Is there ANYONE on this planet that DID NOT 'abduct/snatch/kidnap' Madeleine?

I reckon it would be easier, and cheaper, for the 38 'elites' at the MET to eliminate who could NOT
have 'abducted/snatched/kidnapped' her!

by **tigger** 05.01.14 6:45

Bellisa wrote:newington,
Sorry i wasn't clear I do understand what you say and agree as have been PAYG in the past.
From the rog he said that whenthey got the PAYG phones(Portuguese) it worked out cheaper than the credit on their original phones(UK).
I would have thought given the group were professionals that they would be using bill phones in UK not PAYG as he implied(seeing as he knew his credit was used quicker).
So has he slipped up and already had another(3rd) phone prior to the 4th or for a change was he honest and was only ever a PAYG UK customer.

A friend of the Paynes suppliedthe first set (allegedly) of PAYG phones.
Mitchell is supposed to have supplied another set - how many?
Wright and GM may have been looking for one amongst the rocks on the 6th/7th. That would be from another set imo. Most likely one or two used on the night of the 3rd imo.

That's an awful lot of untraceable numbers in a short time.

by columbostogeys 05.01.14 7:01

currio wrote:Latest:

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Jeez, 3 men known so if that is the case all they have to do is tell the Portuguese police to arrest them. I mean come on what a load of rubbish. How do they know they abducted the child? Did they read texts which stated this...?

Just because there was a high volume of calls AFTER the child went missing doesnt mean they took the child surely. They could have been asking if they knew anyone about who could have ... they could have been TALKING about anything.

IF they have the names arnt they duty bound to tell the PJ, and how come after 7 years the PJ didnt have the same information?

So IF you want to catch a thief you allow all this to be stated in NEWSPAPERS. IF you were the 3 wise monkeys talking to each other after the child went missing or you actually did take her, you would be long gone now, like their phones I expect.

IF they were such active thieves I expect they only have to look in the local prison for them .......

This case gets worse.

I despair for the child will she ever be found. Poor thing.

by Guest 05.01.14 7:37

Story doing the rounds, Sunday Mirror today.

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IMO, a case of "Don't look there look over here" Distraction away from the supressed e fit Just telling the public to take their eye off the ball!!.

by **tigger** 05.01.14 7:52

Scotland Yard believes Madeleine was snatched by a panicked gang who accidentally woke her in the family’s holiday apartment and decided to take her with them.
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So thats's what you do when you wake a child ( 'that child was a screamer' Eileen McCann) take her with you, magically not screaming. This is an insult even to tabloid believers. The whole story manipulation has hit a new low.

It makes no sense in any way. Not worth discussing other than to add it to the long list of desperate 'explanations' since April/May last year.

Now lets get back to the elephant in the room which we mustn't even think about, much less mention..... splat

by Guest 05.01.14 8:19

tigger wrote:Scotland Yard believes Madeleine was snatched by a panicked gang who accidentally woke her in the family’s holiday apartment and decided to take her with them.
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So thats's what you do when you wake a child ( 'that child was a screamer' Eileen McCann) take her with you, magically not screaming. This is an insult even to tabloid believers. The whole story manipulation has hit a new low.

It makes no sense in any way. Not worth discussing other than to add it to the long list of desperate 'explanations' since April/May last year.

Now lets get back to the elephant in the room which we mustn't even think about, much less mention.....

Agree with all you have said tigger, I'm sure everyone on this forum has their eye firmly on the ball and can see through the tabloids web of distraction and lies. Enough is enough is enough