Portuguese Geography

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(photograph snipped from vilamargarida.com, with thanks)

This is an obelisk on the top of a hill in Praia da Luz that the McCanns often ran up to.

I've seen it described as a monument, but a monument to what?

The black and white paint makes it look like a trig station to me -

- but I'm not sure I've ever seen one that fancy before.

Is it a modern - ie. last couple of centuries - structure?

Any ideas...?

sharonl wrote:I just quickly googled this obelisk in Praia Da Luz and all that I have found is that it is a very challenging walk or run.  I can understand someone wanting to this once on their holiday, but not on a regular basis.

This needs further research.

Woofer wrote:It seems there are many correspondences between obelisks and many orders/religions - some good, some bad - i.e. Babylonian, Catholicism, Pantheism even satansim - one can make of it what one wants it seems.
Overall it seems to correspond to sacrifice and/or reproduction, death and rebirth, Scorpio.
I`ve always found it relevant (or is it just coincidence) that when MBM disappeared there was a full moon and hey presto, it was in Scorpio.  It was also Beltane, a time when people dance around the maypole which again has phallic correspondences.
These correspondences may be nothing - as I said, one can correspond anything to anything, create a ritual around it and make it have meaning.

missbeetle wrote:

Woofer wrote:It seems there are many correspondences between obelisks and many orders/religions - some good, some bad - i.e. Babylonian, Catholicism, Pantheism even satansim - one can make of it what one wants it seems.
Overall it seems to correspond to sacrifice and/or reproduction, death and rebirth, Scorpio.
I`ve always found it relevant (or is it just coincidence) that when MBM disappeared there was a full moon and hey presto, it was in Scorpio.  It was also Beltane, a time when people dance around the maypole which again has phallic correspondences.
These correspondences may be nothing - as I said, one can correspond anything to anything, create a ritual around it and make it have meaning.

Whilst looking for pictures of the Rocha Negra I found another Praia da Luz obelisk :

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(snipped from jamesvillas.co.uk)

This is at the Baia da Luz resort. I still wonder what foundations these monuments would need -

- seeing that Portugal has had dreadful earthquakes in the past.


My question was about the Rocha Negra, though. To my eyes it has a 'dragon's tooth' appearance.

What is it used for? Can it be climbed? Do people climb it? Can you fish off it? Do people fish off it?


Out of interest, the local Praia da Luz fishermen - what do they fish for and with what?

Small boats/nets/hand lines? This article suggests the full moon is indeed a factor in Portuguese fishing :
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The influence of the moon on plants, fish and people is something I totally believe in.  


Another local Praia da Luz oddity is the small pyramid the McCanns were pictured in front of, in the early days -

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(I haven't a date or reference for this photograph)

Kate and Gerry in pastel blue and pink - butter wouldn't melt...!


(totally off-topic - but whilst looking up ancient menhirs,obelisks etc -

I found out that the largest concentration of dolmen in the world...

...is in Korea! I had no idea.)

missbeetle wrote:Hi SammyC - I'm not sure if I have a particular point to make about 'phallic symbols in Portugal' - or anywhere else...

It's just that the Praia da Luz and Cape St Vincent obelisks (monuments?) interest me as part of the scene of this story.

My eyes are too wonky to figure out the shadows of the BdL obelisk -

- but I did spot another matching one to the left of the picture. I believe obelisks were originally paired structures.

I'm still wondering what the significance of the Praia da Luz monument is to the McCanns.



Last night was the eve of a full moon and bright enough for me to walk around outside without a torch.

So I wondered just how bright the moon was over Praia da Luz that fateful May evening :
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(snipped from timeanddate.com, Faro was the closest location I could find)

It looks like some serious moonlight was available on the night of Madeleine's disappearance.

It also seems that the full moon occurred on the 2nd of May - the night before.


The sun, the wind and now the moon...

That is very interesting. It was a clear sky and beautiful moon here last night, so bright as to cast shadows and didn't need my torch for the last dog stroll as could clearly see everything around and underfoot.


All worth considering - in my opinion.

BlackCatBoogie wrote:I think that was May 13th Missbeetle - a reference run through Google translate:-

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or the actual souce here:-

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This is a pyramid monument in the private villa called 'Casa Niobe' (Niobe is the Greek Goddess of mourning I think) - Niobe is privately owned villa by a German couple and I believeit is at the opposite end of the street to 'Casa Lilana'.

Yes, fascinating. 

All in my own opinion, nothing stated as act

Markus 2 wrote:Yes too intriguing imo . The name Kunz  German ?
  copied comment /The pyramid bult in PdL is primarily a funerary object. And the villas name is Casa Niobe Niobe being the Greek goddess of grief. Niobe is the Greek goddess of mourning, after Apollo and his sister Artemis killed their seven children and their seven daughters. It seems that Niobe is now linked to satanic rituals, especially Freemasonry! The monument was bult by a German  ?couple named Kunz.

Ladyinred wrote:Markus2: what went on at the Pyramid Garden and what was the rumour?

Markus 2 wrote:

Ladyinred wrote:Markus2: what went on at the Pyramid Garden and what was the rumour?

It seems that Niobe is now linked to satanic rituals, especially Freemasonry! I can only go by that comment. But I am sure the Mccanns were totally aware what went on over there  and how unsafe it was leaving those children  alone.

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No doubt it is bad over there but you have to make your mind up whether the Mccanns are involved in it all


The parents of Madeleine McCann were part of an illuminati mind control ring themselves. They know exactly what happened to her but were powerless to stop it.  I was already aware that by allowing their daughter to be kidnapped, the McCann's were unable to avoid obeying the orders of their illuminati controllers.  I was also aware that innocent Madeleine was intended to become the sex toy of illuminati insider,

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Markus 2 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
No doubt it is bad over there but you have to make your mind up whether the Mccanns are involved in it all


The parents of Madeleine McCann were part of an illuminati mind control ring themselves. They know exactly what happened to her but were powerless to stop it.  I was already aware that by allowing their daughter to be kidnapped, the McCann's were unable to avoid obeying the orders of their illuminati controllers.  I was also aware that innocent Madeleine was intended to become the sex toy of illuminati insider,

The article seems to be based on the authenticity of an article allegedly published at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] which no longer exists. For me it reads like disinformation designed to substantiate the idea that Madeleine was abducted by paedophiles with sufficient detail for (erroneous) connections to be drawn with Dutroux

Markus 2 wrote:

AndyB wrote:

Markus 2 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
No doubt it is bad over there but you have to make your mind up whether the Mccanns are involved in it all


The parents of Madeleine McCann were part of an illuminati mind control ring themselves. They know exactly what happened to her but were powerless to stop it.  I was already aware that by allowing their daughter to be kidnapped, the McCann's were unable to avoid obeying the orders of their illuminati controllers.  I was also aware that innocent Madeleine was intended to become the sex toy of illuminati insider,

The article seems to be based on the authenticity of an article allegedly published at [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] which no longer exists. For me it reads like disinformation designed to substantiate the idea that Madeleine was abducted by paedophiles with sufficient detail for (erroneous) connections to be drawn with Dutroux

This article is feasible imo. The parents are not let off in this article either, so just as possible as all the other theories.   Corruption in high places everywhere ,why should it be any different there.