Re: CRIMEWATCH ON BBC ***Part 1 DISCUSSION****

by Cheshire Cat 14.10.13 23:07

MoonGoddess wrote:
scrants wrote:Redwood seems to have an odd idea of a planned abduction if the perpetrator is wandering around on foot instead of jumping into a nearby car and driving off to his evil lair!

This programme could well be called The Kate and Gerry Show. It was an absolute disgrace and the BBC should be ashamed of themselves.
and how comes Madeleine was in a "deep sleep"?..... because we know she'd be giving them her "tuppence worth"!!

Looking at the many tweets from the public I believe this programme has created many, many more McCann sceptics.

by littlepixie 14.10.13 23:07

@tiredofthebs

I know what you mean and I agree that it has been whitewashed since she disappeared, there is no doubt about that.

I just found the Crimewatch too outrageous to believe so I am giving them the benefit of the doubt for now.

I was shocked at how weak and alone the McCanns looked in Portugal last week. They were truly on their own out there. There was no-one protecting them and it showed.

by Searcher 14.10.13 23:08

This is utterly bizarre! Not a single acknowledgement to:
The PJ files.
The 75 minutes on 1 May.
The shutters.
The dogs.
The DNA.
The hire car.
Dr. Katharine Gaspar's statement.
The 48 questions.
The twins not waking.
No sedation tests for 4 months on the twins.
Having twins checked independently for sedation and possible harm, immediately.
The priest.

huh

by stillsloppingout 14.10.13 23:09

I wrote this morning Portugal really need to respond to this IMO attempt by Scotland Yard of perverting the course of justice , and there continuing humiliation of there Police force .

Surly they will now respond to these slurs at the highest level ,and surly now they will re open the investigation , showing how they arrived at there final conclusion, i know it is in the book, but that looks like a private enterprise .

The PJ need to make there own programme ,and show it world wide .

The people Portugal ,should write to the Police chiefs government , and demand they respond to this whitewash and deriding of the investigation , before it becomes a national shame in the eyes of the world .

Your country's tourism is at stake, Portugal wake up these two,and there all powerful machine ,IT WILL destroy your country its name and world standing .

DO IT NOW

by MoonGoddess 14.10.13 23:10

mahlersghost wrote:It has now been suggested Madeleine was abducted a few minutes before her mother raised the alert at 10pm on May 3, 2007.
Last night’s appeal focused on two previously unreleased computer e-fit images of a man seen carrying a child 400 yards from the McCanns’ holiday apartment at this time.
The suspect was seen by an Irish family from Co Louth. Martin Smith, who was holidaying with his wife and two children – and other family members – said the man was carrying a child along a deserted side street and that she was blonde with ‘typically British’ skin. She was also wearing similar pyjamas to those worn by Maddie.
The account of Mr Smith, who provided details for one of the e-fits, has been called into question because he initially told investigators the suspect walked and looked like Madeleine’s father Gerry McCann. But British police say they are certain Mr McCann had absolutely nothing to do with his daughter’s disappearance

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at least they're reporting it....

by Truthandjustice 14.10.13 23:12

mahlersghost wrote:It has now been suggested Madeleine was abducted a few minutes before her mother raised the alert at 10pm on May 3, 2007.
Last night’s appeal focused on two previously unreleased computer e-fit images of a man seen carrying a child 400 yards from the McCanns’ holiday apartment at this time.
The suspect was seen by an Irish family from Co Louth. Martin Smith, who was holidaying with his wife and two children – and other family members – said the man was carrying a child along a deserted side street and that she was blonde with ‘typically British’ skin. She was also wearing similar pyjamas to those worn by Maddie.
The account of Mr Smith, who provided details for one of the e-fits, has been called into question because he initially told investigators the suspect walked and looked like Madeleine’s father Gerry McCann. But British police say they are certain Mr McCann had absolutely nothing to do with his daughter’s disappearance

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I would like to know how they are certain of this, to provide evidence or do they just expect us to believe them?

by plebgate 14.10.13 23:14

Judging from the posts, glad I didn't watch.

How on earth after six years can they just say it was a man carrying his child home from the night creche. Why didn't he come forward as soon as the Tanner sighting was made public?

Why didn't the parents and tapas crew think that was a possibility at the time?

That's the first thing most parents would think surely and yet they so readily believed it was "the abductor".

I am not so sure this is a trap for the parents, but we shall wait and see.

I still can't see how this will help their case in Portugal.

Come on Madam Judge. Let them testify in the witness box in Portugal, we might glean more from that than by this programme by the sound of it.

by Guest 14.10.13 23:14

So, if they are thinking the Smith sighting is abductor man, we are talking just before 10pm. It takes around 6 mins or so to get to where he was so about 9.45-9.50ish.

by MoonGoddess 14.10.13 23:14

did anyone else catch Kirsty end the programme saying they were "making history tonight"?

by bunglebonce 14.10.13 23:16

MoonGoddess wrote:did anyone else catch Kirsty end the programme saying they were "making history tonight"?

I also heard that "people are calling in with the 'same name'".......... re smith sighting.

by russiandoll 14.10.13 23:16

He has a great memory JT mistake man. He not only recalled after 6 years his own clothes but the pjs his child was wearing.

btw the reporter on Sky said this child was a 2 year old boy.

wearing floral pj bottoms?

which btw JT could not have seen.

I don't believe that she saw any man in the street carrying a child. Did you notice how dark it was at that point of the reconstruction?

And no comment from anyone on CW that JT could now have peace of mind...she had not witnessed her friend's child being abducted.

Redwood did not say how it looked preplanned. Nor how anyone got in or out.

ALL THE IMPORTANT STUFF WAS OMITTED. APART FROM SMITH SIGHTING.

by Woofer 14.10.13 23:17

Searcher wrote:This is utterly bizarre! Not a single acknowledgement to:
The PJ files.
The 75 minutes on 1 May.
The shutters.
The dogs.
The DNA.
The hire car.
Dr. Katharine Gaspar's statement.
The 48 questions.
The twins not waking.
No sedation tests for 4 months on the twins.
Having twins checked independently for sedation and possible harm, immediately.
The priest.

And no acknowledgement that it was Goncalo Amaral that wanted to pursue the Smith sighting and was prevented by `dark forces`!

by Hermias 14.10.13 23:17

mahlersghost wrote:It has now been suggested Madeleine was abducted a few minutes before her mother raised the alert at 10pm on May 3, 2007.
Last night’s appeal focused on two previously unreleased computer e-fit images of a man seen carrying a child 400 yards from the McCanns’ holiday apartment at this time.
The suspect was seen by an Irish family from Co Louth. Martin Smith, who was holidaying with his wife and two children – and other family members – said the man was carrying a child along a deserted side street and that she was blonde with ‘typically British’ skin. She was also wearing similar pyjamas to those worn by Maddie.
The account of Mr Smith, who provided details for one of the e-fits, has been called into question because he initially told investigators the suspect walked and looked like Madeleine’s father Gerry McCann. But British police say they are certain Mr McCann had absolutely nothing to do with his daughter’s disappearance

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The Daily Mail - are you serious??

by MoonGoddess 14.10.13 23:17

plebgate wrote:Judging from the posts, glad I didn't watch.

How on earth after six years can they just say it was a man carrying his child home from the night creche. Why didn't he come forward as soon as the Tanner sighting was made public?

Why didn't the parents and tapas crew think that was a possibility at the time?

That's the first thing most parents would think surely and yet they so readily believed it was "the abductor".

I am not so sure this is a trap for the parents, but we shall wait and see.

I still can't see how this will help their case in Portugal.

Come on Madam Judge. Let them testify in the witness box in Portugal, we might glean more from that than by this programme by the sound of it.

He didn't come forward because he was not walking in the direction she said...

I expect he was spoken to and eliminated by the PJ

by Searcher 14.10.13 23:18

So pleased you posted the YouTube link, Moongoddess, thankyou. I viewed it again as a piece of sanity. Very moving too, to watch Eddie and Keela, after what we have just seen tonight.

I hope anyone who doubts the clean motives of this forum will watch it too. thanks

by loopzdaloop 14.10.13 23:19

Not sure how well the publicity RE: The efit is going down on twitter..

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by Guest 14.10.13 23:20

MoonGoddess wrote:
mahlersghost wrote:It has now been suggested Madeleine was abducted a few minutes before her mother raised the alert at 10pm on May 3, 2007.
Last night’s appeal focused on two previously unreleased computer e-fit images of a man seen carrying a child 400 yards from the McCanns’ holiday apartment at this time.
The suspect was seen by an Irish family from Co Louth. Martin Smith, who was holidaying with his wife and two children – and other family members – said the man was carrying a child along a deserted side street and that she was blonde with ‘typically British’ skin. She was also wearing similar pyjamas to those worn by Maddie.
The account of Mr Smith, who provided details for one of the e-fits, has been called into question because he initially told investigators the suspect walked and looked like Madeleine’s father Gerry McCann. But British police say they are certain Mr McCann had absolutely nothing to do with his daughter’s disappearance

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at least they're reporting it....

Question remains: why are they certain mr McCann had absolutely nothing to do with his daughters disappearance

Which facts support this certainty: where precisely was GM at the time of the Smiths sighting; why did the McCs and their own detectives hide the evidence till caught out by SY just now, why did they never, not one single instant, show any interest/curiosity in this apparent abductor

What now, when Jane Tanner has proved a liar? Or rather, has been called a liar? How will she live on? She has a child, children perhaps; how will they live on, their mother shamed to smitereens by SY and the McCs tonight?

Not nice, all of tonights work, definitely not

by susible 14.10.13 23:20

Sorry had to have a couple of stiff drinks during programme so have not caught up with all 28 pages yet.

Significant pointers, okay so it seemed like your standard McCann lovefest and they have let Tanner off the hook (was that sighting discounted by the PJ in the same way SY discounted it?)

First thing to me was Gerry: She was ALMOST perfectly formed (on seeing Madeleine after being born) So Gerry, what was not perfectly formed?

Secondly, WTF has happened to the Paynes? They've been written out of the script!..Firstly, no visit to 5A, then referring to DP, FP and DW as the "three other guests" Hmmm has someone been talking to the police?

Finally summary, okay it annoyed me in places as there are some glowing errors, but overall, discount Tanner sighting, focus on Smith sighting, who was that man that the Smiths saw?

As an aside, later on in the programme when they went back to the McCann story, Redwood said that they had two phonecalls about the identity of the man spotted by the Irish family, and I had wishful thinking that it was probably Martin and Aoife Smith saying...Yeah, it was Gerry McCann...we told you that 6 yrs ago!

by MoonGoddess 14.10.13 23:21

Searcher wrote:So pleased you posted the YouTube link, Moongoddess, thankyou. I viewed it again as a piece of sanity. Very moving too, to watch Eddie and Keela, after what we have just seen tonight.

I hope anyone who doubts the clean motives of this forum will watch it too.

It does help to ground you doesn't it Searcher..... x

by tegan1973 14.10.13 23:22

Crimewatch was so poor. Why on earth did they bother showing it? It told us nothing. Waste of space

by loopzdaloop 14.10.13 23:22

Dr What wrote:Not good, was it! There was more that was left out than put in.

During the 'reconstruction', events were portrayed as 'facts', but they were merely the version from the McCanns.Not 'facts' at all.And no mention of the dogs input.Surely that is a fact worth mentioning.Along with many others.

Wasted opportunity.

NO
Redwood clearly said that "THIS IS JUST ONE INTERPRETATION THAT WE ARE WORKING ON"
A beautiful disclaimer before he went on to talk about the mccann trap.

by annemab 14.10.13 23:23

In most of the trailers I saw yesterday and today, there was a little girl dressed like Maddie in the 'last' photo (the pool one) either playing tennis or collecting tennis balls - but this was not shown on the programme? or did I blink and miss it?

by Shrike 14.10.13 23:25

Did I hear it right on the CW 10.45 bit that Redwood said the eFITs (Smith sighting) were of a man with blonde hair? I thought all of the Smith related evidence clearly stated that the man they saw carrying the child had brown hair? If this is the case have the Smith's changed their ID of the man? Tell me I'm wrong about this pleassse!

by Newintown 14.10.13 23:25

russiandoll wrote:He has a great memory JT mistake man. He not only recalled after 6 years his own clothes but the pjs his child was wearing.

btw the reporter on Sky said this child was a 2 year old boy.

wearing floral pj bottoms?

which btw JT could not have seen.

I don't believe that she saw any man in the street carrying a child. Did you notice how dark it was at that point of the reconstruction?

And no comment from anyone on CW that JT could now have peace of mind...she had not witnessed her friend's child being abducted.

Redwood did not say how it looked preplanned. Nor how anyone got in or out.

ALL THE IMPORTANT STUFF WAS OMITTED. APART FROM SMITH SIGHTING.

I started a post a while ago saying how dark it was in the reconstruction but I think I lost it, so I didn't bother retyping it again.

If it was that dark when Bundleman was walking about you couldn't tell what he was wearing, let alone what the child was wearing.

by Guest 14.10.13 23:25

susible wrote:Sorry had to have a couple of stiff drinks during programme so have not caught up with all 28 pages yet.

Significant pointers, okay so it seemed like your standard McCann lovefest and they have let Tanner off the hook (was that sighting discounted by the PJ in the same way SY discounted it?)

First thing to me was Gerry: She was ALMOST perfectly formed (on seeing Madeleine after being born) So Gerry, what was not perfectly formed?

Secondly, WTF has happened to the Paynes? They've been written out of the script!..Firstly, no visit to 5A, then referring to DP, FP and DW as the "three other guests" Hmmm has someone been talking to the police?

Finally summary, okay it annoyed me in places as there are some glowing errors, but overall, discount Tanner sighting, focus on Smith sighting, who was that man that the Smiths saw?

As an aside, later on in the programme when they went back to the McCann story, Redwood said that they had two phonecalls about the identity of the man spotted by the Irish family, and I had wishful thinking that it was probably Martin and Aoife Smith saying...Yeah, it was Gerry McCann...we told you that 6 yrs ago!

Anything mentioned about the child on page 129 by her doting mother at least was perfect. That answer your question?

by Searcher 14.10.13 23:25

Portia - my understanding from tonight is that JT saw a child being collected from the night creche - in other words, an innocent but actual sighting. ? winkwink

by plebgate 14.10.13 23:25

loopzdaloop wrote:
Dr What wrote:Not good, was it! There was more that was left out than put in.

During the 'reconstruction', events were portrayed as 'facts', but they were merely the version from the McCanns.Not 'facts' at all.And no mention of the dogs input.Surely that is a fact worth mentioning.Along with many others.

Wasted opportunity.
NO
Redwood clearly said that "THIS IS JUST ONE INTERPRETATION THAT WE ARE WORKING ON"
A beautiful disclaimer before he went on to talk about the mccann trap.

Wonder when they are going to show the next crimewatch prog. with the other interpretations?

by Guest 14.10.13 23:26

annemab wrote:In most of the trailers I saw yesterday and today, there was a little girl dressed like Maddie in the 'last' photo (the pool one) either playing tennis or collecting tennis balls - but this was not shown on the programme? or did I blink and miss it?

It was, it lasted about 2 seconds..........what it had to do with anything god only knows, except maybe to show it was a happy family holiday.

by MRNOODLES 14.10.13 23:26

annemab wrote:In most of the trailers I saw yesterday and today, there was a little girl dressed like Maddie in the 'last' photo (the pool one) either playing tennis or collecting tennis balls - but this was not shown on the programme? or did I blink and miss it?

Yep there's something odd going on about 'the last photo'. It's flipped to the tennis and tonight back to the pool.

by susible 14.10.13 23:27

annemab wrote:In most of the trailers I saw yesterday and today, there was a little girl dressed like Maddie in the 'last' photo (the pool one) either playing tennis or collecting tennis balls - but this was not shown on the programme? or did I blink and miss it?

No, it wasn't on the programme, also not on the programme was Kate's proclamation of "we've done nothing wrong" changed to "we have not committed a crime" probably due to the backlash of the public...Yeah you did do something wrong"

But you are right, all of these scenes were touted at the start as being part of the programme....Hmmm what's changed I wonder