Re: New photos of the McCanns

by **sharonl** 03.10.13 13:31

tigger wrote:For a start she's making parts of it up. The coloboma she probably got from Ivo van Woerden's article on 8/5 which featured the eye detail and the tennis photo facing left. TV news also covered it.
I would think she was an acquaintance rather than a friend and like many others jumped on the bandwagon for a bit of fame.

It's not unlike Anna Stam who said she spoke to Maddie on the 6th of May and who (some six weeks later) reported it to the police with a carbon copy description of the type of abductor proposed by TM which had been in all the papers by then. I.e. creepy man an un-motherly woman.
Come to think of it i know a couple who could be described as such.....

By the way the translation isn't good. 'They are very inspiring and strong parents' is the right phrase although 'aspiring' is perfectly true. That sounds as if Pike had been round?

I'm wondering if such interviews were from a crib sheet, Pennington, Baker, ' friends' in the rogs are virtually interchangeable.

I have been informed that Seija speaks English and that the interview was actually conducted in English, so there was no translation error. What is transcribed is what she actually said and the word used was definately "aspiring" and not inspiring.

by lj 03.10.13 14:32

sharonl wrote:
tigger wrote:For a start she's making parts of it up. The coloboma she probably got from Ivo van Woerden's article on 8/5 which featured the eye detail and the tennis photo facing left. TV news also covered it.
I would think she was an acquaintance rather than a friend and like many others jumped on the bandwagon for a bit of fame.

It's not unlike Anna Stam who said she spoke to Maddie on the 6th of May and who (some six weeks later) reported it to the police with a carbon copy description of the type of abductor proposed by TM which had been in all the papers by then. I.e. creepy man an un-motherly woman.
Come to think of it i know a couple who could be described as such.....

By the way the translation isn't good. 'They are very inspiring and strong parents' is the right phrase although 'aspiring' is perfectly true. That sounds as if Pike had been round?

I'm wondering if such interviews were from a crib sheet, Pennington, Baker, ' friends' in the rogs are virtually interchangeable.
I have been informed that Seija speaks English and that the interview was actually conducted in English, so there was no translation error. What is transcribed is what she actually said and the word used was definately "aspiring" and not inspiring.

Which would be more coorect anyway. I can't find anything inspiring in these pathetic parents, but boy are they aspiring: ambassadorship, celebrity, money, lots of money...

All my opinion of course.

by Nereid 03.10.13 14:36

sharonl wrote:
tigger wrote:For a start she's making parts of it up. The coloboma she probably got from Ivo van Woerden's article on 8/5 which featured the eye detail and the tennis photo facing left. TV news also covered it.
I would think she was an acquaintance rather than a friend and like many others jumped on the bandwagon for a bit of fame.

It's not unlike Anna Stam who said she spoke to Maddie on the 6th of May and who (some six weeks later) reported it to the police with a carbon copy description of the type of abductor proposed by TM which had been in all the papers by then. I.e. creepy man an un-motherly woman.
Come to think of it i know a couple who could be described as such.....

By the way the translation isn't good. 'They are very inspiring and strong parents' is the right phrase although 'aspiring' is perfectly true. That sounds as if Pike had been round?

I'm wondering if such interviews were from a crib sheet, Pennington, Baker, ' friends' in the rogs are virtually interchangeable.
I have been informed that Seija speaks English and that the interview was actually conducted in English, so there was no translation error. What is transcribed is what she actually said and the word used was definately "aspiring" and not inspiring.

I think she is English or Welsh and her husband/partner is Dutch. Her maiden name is Kingston. Two of her siblings live in West-Wales. It's in the public domain (Facebook etc.) but I don't like posting up info from Facebook, sorry.

by Hicks 03.10.13 15:12

Nereid wrote:
sharonl wrote:
tigger wrote:For a start she's making parts of it up. The coloboma she probably got from Ivo van Woerden's article on 8/5 which featured the eye detail and the tennis photo facing left. TV news also covered it.
I would think she was an acquaintance rather than a friend and like many others jumped on the bandwagon for a bit of fame.

It's not unlike Anna Stam who said she spoke to Maddie on the 6th of May and who (some six weeks later) reported it to the police with a carbon copy description of the type of abductor proposed by TM which had been in all the papers by then. I.e. creepy man an un-motherly woman.
Come to think of it i know a couple who could be described as such.....

By the way the translation isn't good. 'They are very inspiring and strong parents' is the right phrase although 'aspiring' is perfectly true. That sounds as if Pike had been round?

I'm wondering if such interviews were from a crib sheet, Pennington, Baker, ' friends' in the rogs are virtually interchangeable.
I have been informed that Seija speaks English and that the interview was actually conducted in English, so there was no translation error. What is transcribed is what she actually said and the word used was definately "aspiring" and not inspiring.
I think she is English or Welsh and her husband/partner is Dutch. Her maiden name is Kingston. Two of her siblings live in West-Wales. It's in the public domain (Facebook etc.) but I don't like posting up info from Facebook, sorry.

Is Swansea in West Wales? The McCann's appear to be VERY happy in Amsterdam..Umm... thinking

by windchime 03.10.13 15:20

Hicks wrote:
Nereid wrote:
sharonl wrote:
tigger wrote:For a start she's making parts of it up. The coloboma she probably got from Ivo van Woerden's article on 8/5 which featured the eye detail and the tennis photo facing left. TV news also covered it.
I would think she was an acquaintance rather than a friend and like many others jumped on the bandwagon for a bit of fame.

It's not unlike Anna Stam who said she spoke to Maddie on the 6th of May and who (some six weeks later) reported it to the police with a carbon copy description of the type of abductor proposed by TM which had been in all the papers by then. I.e. creepy man an un-motherly woman.
Come to think of it i know a couple who could be described as such.....

By the way the translation isn't good. 'They are very inspiring and strong parents' is the right phrase although 'aspiring' is perfectly true. That sounds as if Pike had been round?

I'm wondering if such interviews were from a crib sheet, Pennington, Baker, ' friends' in the rogs are virtually interchangeable.
I have been informed that Seija speaks English and that the interview was actually conducted in English, so there was no translation error. What is transcribed is what she actually said and the word used was definately "aspiring" and not inspiring.
I think she is English or Welsh and her husband/partner is Dutch. Her maiden name is Kingston. Two of her siblings live in West-Wales. It's in the public domain (Facebook etc.) but I don't like posting up info from Facebook, sorry.
Is Swansea in West Wales? The McCann's appear to be VERY happy in Amsterdam..Umm...

Yes, Swansea is in West Wales.

by Hicks 03.10.13 15:37

windchime wrote:
Hicks wrote:
Nereid wrote:
sharonl wrote:
tigger wrote:For a start she's making parts of it up. The coloboma she probably got from Ivo van Woerden's article on 8/5 which featured the eye detail and the tennis photo facing left. TV news also covered it.
I would think she was an acquaintance rather than a friend and like many others jumped on the bandwagon for a bit of fame.

It's not unlike Anna Stam who said she spoke to Maddie on the 6th of May and who (some six weeks later) reported it to the police with a carbon copy description of the type of abductor proposed by TM which had been in all the papers by then. I.e. creepy man an un-motherly woman.
Come to think of it i know a couple who could be described as such.....

By the way the translation isn't good. 'They are very inspiring and strong parents' is the right phrase although 'aspiring' is perfectly true. That sounds as if Pike had been round?

I'm wondering if such interviews were from a crib sheet, Pennington, Baker, ' friends' in the rogs are virtually interchangeable.
I have been informed that Seija speaks English and that the interview was actually conducted in English, so there was no translation error. What is transcribed is what she actually said and the word used was definately "aspiring" and not inspiring.
I think she is English or Welsh and her husband/partner is Dutch. Her maiden name is Kingston. Two of her siblings live in West-Wales. It's in the public domain (Facebook etc.) but I don't like posting up info from Facebook, sorry.
Is Swansea in West Wales? The McCann's appear to be VERY happy in Amsterdam..Umm...
Yes, Swansea is in West Wales.

Perhaps we ought to dig a bit deeper into a possible Amsterdam/Swansea connection windchime?

Just to add that there could be some interesting bits in this link.

Scroll down and read about the mysterious caller who delayed the McCann's going to Amsterdam.
The bit I find interesting is the fact that a spokeswoman for the Spanish Interior Ministry said "We categorically deny that anyone has called the Spanish police with information that they have got this girl". Very Strange!

by windchime 03.10.13 15:52

Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections!

by Hicks 03.10.13 15:57

Hicks wrote:
windchime wrote:
Hicks wrote:
Nereid wrote:
sharonl wrote:
tigger wrote:For a start she's making parts of it up. The coloboma she probably got from Ivo van Woerden's article on 8/5 which featured the eye detail and the tennis photo facing left. TV news also covered it.
I would think she was an acquaintance rather than a friend and like many others jumped on the bandwagon for a bit of fame.

It's not unlike Anna Stam who said she spoke to Maddie on the 6th of May and who (some six weeks later) reported it to the police with a carbon copy description of the type of abductor proposed by TM which had been in all the papers by then. I.e. creepy man an un-motherly woman.
Come to think of it i know a couple who could be described as such.....

By the way the translation isn't good. 'They are very inspiring and strong parents' is the right phrase although 'aspiring' is perfectly true. That sounds as if Pike had been round?

I'm wondering if such interviews were from a crib sheet, Pennington, Baker, ' friends' in the rogs are virtually interchangeable.
I have been informed that Seija speaks English and that the interview was actually conducted in English, so there was no translation error. What is transcribed is what she actually said and the word used was definately "aspiring" and not inspiring.
I think she is English or Welsh and her husband/partner is Dutch. Her maiden name is Kingston. Two of her siblings live in West-Wales. It's in the public domain (Facebook etc.) but I don't like posting up info from Facebook, sorry.
Is Swansea in West Wales? The McCann's appear to be VERY happy in Amsterdam..Umm...
Yes, Swansea is in West Wales.
Perhaps we ought to dig a bit deeper into a possible Amsterdam/Swansea connection windchime?

Just to add that there could be some interesting bits in this link.

Scroll down and read about the mysterious caller who delayed the McCann's going to Amsterdam.
The bit I find interesting is the fact that a spokeswoman for the Spanish Interior Ministry said "We categorically deny that anyone has called the Spanish police with information that they have got this girl". Very Strange!

Ok...forgot to add link ..duh!
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by Nereid 03.10.13 16:09

windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections

Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.

by Hicks 03.10.13 16:27

Nereid wrote:
windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.

Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

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by windchime 03.10.13 16:48

Hicks wrote:
Nereid wrote:
windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

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Yes very interesting read. Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct? Can we believe what we read in it? If so then it is an eye opener for sure. What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew? Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ?
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept

by sallypelt 03.10.13 17:26

Nereid wrote:
sharonl wrote:
tigger wrote:For a start she's making parts of it up. The coloboma she probably got from Ivo van Woerden's article on 8/5 which featured the eye detail and the tennis photo facing left. TV news also covered it.
I would think she was an acquaintance rather than a friend and like many others jumped on the bandwagon for a bit of fame.

It's not unlike Anna Stam who said she spoke to Maddie on the 6th of May and who (some six weeks later) reported it to the police with a carbon copy description of the type of abductor proposed by TM which had been in all the papers by then. I.e. creepy man an un-motherly woman.
Come to think of it i know a couple who could be described as such.....

By the way the translation isn't good. 'They are very inspiring and strong parents' is the right phrase although 'aspiring' is perfectly true. That sounds as if Pike had been round?

I'm wondering if such interviews were from a crib sheet, Pennington, Baker, ' friends' in the rogs are virtually interchangeable.
I have been informed that Seija speaks English and that the interview was actually conducted in English, so there was no translation error. What is transcribed is what she actually said and the word used was definately "aspiring" and not inspiring.
I think she is English or Welsh and her husband/partner is Dutch. Her maiden name is Kingston. Two of her siblings live in West-Wales. It's in the public domain (Facebook etc.) but I don't like posting up info from Facebook, sorry.

Seija Beth Kingston Apr-May-Jun 1973 Lambeth Greater London, Middlesex

by **tigger** 03.10.13 17:40

sallypelt wrote:
Nereid wrote:
sharonl wrote:
tigger wrote:For a start she's making parts of it up. The coloboma she probably got from Ivo van Woerden's article on 8/5 which featured the eye detail and the tennis photo facing left. TV news also covered it.
I would think she was an acquaintance rather than a friend and like many others jumped on the bandwagon for a bit of fame.

It's not unlike Anna Stam who said she spoke to Maddie on the 6th of May and who (some six weeks later) reported it to the police with a carbon copy description of the type of abductor proposed by TM which had been in all the papers by then. I.e. creepy man an un-motherly woman.
Come to think of it i know a couple who could be described as such.....

By the way the translation isn't good. 'They are very inspiring and strong parents' is the right phrase although 'aspiring' is perfectly true. That sounds as if Pike had been round?

I'm wondering if such interviews were from a crib sheet, Pennington, Baker, ' friends' in the rogs are virtually interchangeable.
I have been informed that Seija speaks English and that the interview was actually conducted in English, so there was no translation error. What is transcribed is what she actually said and the word used was definately "aspiring" and not inspiring.
I think she is English or Welsh and her husband/partner is Dutch. Her maiden name is Kingston. Two of her siblings live in West-Wales. It's in the public domain (Facebook etc.) but I don't like posting up info from Facebook, sorry.
Seija Beth Kingston Apr-May-Jun 1973 Lambeth Greater London, Middlesex

Thanks. The Dutch subtitle does say ,'inspiring' so the translating mistake is reversed from English to Dutch.
I did a post on the wording of the interview and her being British makes it imo even clearer that there was a general purpose crib sheet to laud their parenting. My post got eaten because the site was too busy! I'll try again tomorrow, I find the interview really interesting.

by sallypelt 03.10.13 17:47

tigger wrote:
sallypelt wrote:
Nereid wrote:
sharonl wrote:
tigger wrote:For a start she's making parts of it up. The coloboma she probably got from Ivo van Woerden's article on 8/5 which featured the eye detail and the tennis photo facing left. TV news also covered it.
I would think she was an acquaintance rather than a friend and like many others jumped on the bandwagon for a bit of fame.

It's not unlike Anna Stam who said she spoke to Maddie on the 6th of May and who (some six weeks later) reported it to the police with a carbon copy description of the type of abductor proposed by TM which had been in all the papers by then. I.e. creepy man an un-motherly woman.
Come to think of it i know a couple who could be described as such.....

By the way the translation isn't good. 'They are very inspiring and strong parents' is the right phrase although 'aspiring' is perfectly true. That sounds as if Pike had been round?

I'm wondering if such interviews were from a crib sheet, Pennington, Baker, ' friends' in the rogs are virtually interchangeable.
I have been informed that Seija speaks English and that the interview was actually conducted in English, so there was no translation error. What is transcribed is what she actually said and the word used was definately "aspiring" and not inspiring.
I think she is English or Welsh and her husband/partner is Dutch. Her maiden name is Kingston. Two of her siblings live in West-Wales. It's in the public domain (Facebook etc.) but I don't like posting up info from Facebook, sorry.
Seija Beth Kingston Apr-May-Jun 1973 Lambeth Greater London, Middlesex
Thanks. The Dutch subtitle does say ,'inspiring' so the translating mistake is reversed from English to Dutch.
I did a post on the wording of the interview and her being British makes it imo even clearer that there was a general purpose crib sheet to laud their parenting. My post got eaten because the site was too busy! I'll try again tomorrow, I find the interview really interesting.

Some very interesting petitions on here. Some even mention Jim Gable

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by Nereid 03.10.13 17:50

sallypelt wrote:

Seija Beth Kingston Apr-May-Jun 1973 Lambeth Greater London, Middlesex

Thank you. Reading between the lines I think the family later moved to Wales, but can't be sure.

Here is a Dutch article in 'het Algemeen Dagblad' about Kate and Gerry's flying visit to Amsterdam in June 2007:

Ouders Madeleine even hier

Door: redactie
6-6-07 - 22:23

SCHIPHOL/LONDEN - De roodomrande ogen van Kate McCann spreken boekdelen. De moeder van de vermiste Britse peuter Madeleine ...

...kwam gisteravond met haar man Gerry aan in Nederland. Madeleine (4) verdween op 3 mei spoorloos uit een huisje tijdens een vakantie in de Portugese Algarve. De ouders dineerden even verderop in een tapasbar in hetzelfde vakantieresort.

De ouders willen na het verlaten van het vliegtuig op Schiphol-Oost niets zeggen. ,,Ze zijn te emotioneel,’’ aldus Jill Van de Lint van de Britse ambassade, die de twee begeleidt. En weg rijden ze.

Het bezoek aan Nederland maakt deel uit van een Europese rondreis om zoveel mogelijk aandacht te verkrijgen voor de mysterieuze verdwijning van hun dochtertje. Ze kwamen met een privé-vliegtuig uit Berlijn, beschikbaar gesteld door een anonieme miljonair. Eerder waren ze in Rome, waar de paus een foto van Madeleine zegende. De ouders reizen alleen, hun andere kinderen, de 2-jarige tweeling Amelie en Sean, hebben ze thuisgelaten.

Na aankomst gingen ze meteen door naar Amsterdam, waar ze met enkele vrienden hadden afgesproken. De McCanns hebben een jaar in Amsterdam gewoond. De vader werkte als cardioloog in het VU Medisch Centrum.

,,Het wordt geen gezellige reünie, daarvoor is het de tijd niet,’’ zegt Seija Kingston, vriendin van de McCanns. Kingston werkt al weken aan een grote postercampagne. Vandaag hebben de ouders een ontmoeting met een team van Opsporing Verzocht en met de coördinator van het Landelijke Bureau Vermiste Personen. Ze vliegen vanmiddag door naar Portugal.

In Groot-Brittannië is de verdwijning nog steeds een hype. Kate en Gerry McCann zijn rijk en hoogopgeleid. Ze hebben invloedrijke vrienden, die allemaal ook weer invloedrijke kennissen hebben. En ze zijn erin geslaagd in korte tijd hun hele netwerk te mobiliseren.

Particulieren stortten massaal in het Madeleine-fonds. Ook vertegenwoordigers van grote bedrijven, beroemdheden en sporters gaven gul. Toch meent Mary Riddell, bestuurslid bij een kinderrechtenorganisatie:,,Bij de bushalte wordt er nauwelijks nog over Madeleine gepraat. Mensen zijn op het onderwerp uitgekeken. ’’

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Unofficial translation:

Parents Madeleine here for a short while.

By: the editor
6/6/07 - 22:23

SCHIPHOL/ LONDON - The red- rimmed eyes of Kate McCann speak volumes . The mother of missing British toddler Madeleine ...

... arrived last night with her husband Gerry in the Netherlands. Madeleine (4) disappeared on May 3 without a trace from a house during a holiday in the Portuguese Algarve. The parents dined in a tapas bar a little further away in the same resort.

The parents don’t want to speak after they exit the plane at Schiphol East. ,,They are too emotional '', said Jill van de Lint of the British Embassy, who accompanies the pair. And they drive away.

The visit to the Netherlands is part of a European tour to draw as much attention as possible to the mysterious disappearance of their daughter. They came with a private plane from Berlin, made available by an anonymous millionaire. Earlier they were in Rome, where the Pope blessed a picture of Madeleine. The parents are travelling alone; they have left their other children, 2-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, at home.

After their arrival they went straight to Amsterdam, where they had agreed to meet with some friends. The McCanns have lived in Amsterdam for a year. The father worked as a cardiologist at the VU Medical Center.

,,It won’t be a pleasant reunion, it’s not the time for that'’, says Seija Kingston, friend of the McCanns. Kingston has been working for weeks on a big poster campaign. Today the parents will meet with a team of ‘Opsporing Verzocht*’ and the coordinator of the National Missing Persons Bureau. They fly to Portugal this afternoon.

In Britain, the disappearance is still a hype. Kate and Gerry McCann are rich and highly educated. They have influential friends, who in turn all have influential acquaintances. And they have succeeded in mobilizing their entire network in a short time.

Private individuals donated massively to the Madeleine Fund. Representatives of large companies, celebrities and sports persons gave generously. Yet Mary Riddell, board member at a children's rights organization believes: ‘’at the bus stop Madeleine is hardly talked about. People are bored with the subject.''

*Opsporing Verzocht – A Dutch television programme about Missing Persons. Difficult to translate literally but it means something like ‘Detection Requested’.

by **sharonl** 03.10.13 17:50

Does anyone know whether Seija is related in any way to the child psychiatrist and author, Michael Rutter? Apparently an expert in child behaviour problems, and autism.

by Nereid 03.10.13 17:53

sharonl wrote:Does anyone know whether Seija is related in any way to the child psychiatrist and author, Michael Rutter? Apparently an expert in child behaviour problems, and autism.

Her partner's name is Rutten. (Not sure if they're still together though).

by Hicks 03.10.13 17:56

windchime wrote:
Hicks wrote:
Nereid wrote:
windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

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Yes very interesting read. Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct? Can we believe what we read in it? If so then it is an eye opener for sure. What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew? Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ?
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept

I haven't seen this site before either. I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?

by Guest 03.10.13 18:10

Hicks wrote:
windchime wrote:
Hicks wrote:
Nereid wrote:
windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

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Yes very interesting read. Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct? Can we believe what we read in it? If so then it is an eye opener for sure. What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew? Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ?
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either. I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?

Swansea-> Cardiff-> Companies House-> Madeleines Limited fund?

Who got the Ltd ready at such short notice after the childs' disappearance?

by Hicks 03.10.13 18:18

windchime wrote:
Hicks wrote:
Nereid wrote:
windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

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Yes very interesting read. Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct? Can we believe what we read in it? If so then it is an eye opener for sure. What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew? Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ?
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept

Maybe the McCann's did have a second phone. Graham McKenzie gave a statement to the PJ regarding a phone conversation that he overheard on the night of the 3rd at 23.00 hours, see link.
The phone records show that that were no activations from the MC'S mobiles at the time.
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by **tigger** 03.10.13 18:20

Hicks wrote:
windchime wrote:
Hicks wrote:
Nereid wrote:
windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Yes very interesting read. Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct? Can we believe what we read in it? If so then it is an eye opener for sure. What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew? Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ?
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either. I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?

AnnaEsse runs the MissingMadeleine site and has also translated 'The truth of the lie' (from the French I believe.)

by Hicks 03.10.13 18:51

tigger wrote:
Hicks wrote:
windchime wrote:
Hicks wrote:
Nereid wrote:
windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Yes very interesting read. Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct? Can we believe what we read in it? If so then it is an eye opener for sure. What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew? Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ?
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either. I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?
AnnaEsse runs the MissingMadeleine site and has also translated 'The truth of the lie' (from the French I believe.)

Thanks tigger.

My grey cells are hurting ( the few that I have!) Please bare with me, I am confusing myself.

I have found a connection. Posting this link again to save going back.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Regarding the last paragraph (phone records) it states that this 'mystery mobile ' the one used in PDL that called the Swansea number was also used near the Vascao river at certain times, look at the dates, one time between-12TH MAY-15THMAY.
The 12th of May Robert Murat hires the car using his ex-wife's address .

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by sallypelt 03.10.13 18:53

[quote="Nereid"]

sallypelt wrote:

Seija Beth Kingston Apr-May-Jun 1973 Lambeth Greater London, Middlesex

Thank you. Reading between the lines I think the family later moved to Wales, but can't be sure.

Seija's grandmother Dorothy Enid Williams, was born in Wales. Maybe this is the Welsh connection.

by sallypelt 03.10.13 18:56

Hicks wrote:
tigger wrote:
Hicks wrote:
windchime wrote:
Hicks wrote:
Nereid wrote:
windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Yes very interesting read. Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct? Can we believe what we read in it? If so then it is an eye opener for sure. What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew? Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ?
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either. I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?
AnnaEsse runs the MissingMadeleine site and has also translated 'The truth of the lie' (from the French I believe.)
Thanks tigger.

My grey cells are hurting ( the few that I have!) Please bare with me, I am confusing myself.

I have found a connection. Posting this link again to save going back.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Regarding the last paragraph (phone records) it states that this 'mystery mobile ' the one used in PDL that called the Swansea number was also used near the Vascao river at certain times, look at the dates, one time between-12TH MAY-15THMAY.
The 12th of May Robert Murat hires the car using his ex-wife's address .

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Could it be just another coincidence? S B Kingston's grandmother, although born in Wales, died on 28 May 1995 in Ludham, Norfolk

by Guest 03.10.13 19:28

tigger wrote:For a start she's making parts of it up. The coloboma she probably got from Ivo van Woerden's article on 8/5 which featured the eye detail and the tennis photo facing left. TV news also covered it.
I would think she was an acquaintance rather than a friend and like many others jumped on the bandwagon for a bit of fame.

It's not unlike Anna Stam who said she spoke to Maddie on the 6th of May and who (some six weeks later) reported it to the police with a carbon copy description of the type of abductor proposed by TM which had been in all the papers by then. I.e. creepy man an un-motherly woman.
Come to think of it i know a couple who could be described as such.....

By the way the translation isn't good. 'They are very inspiring and strong parents' is the right phrase although 'aspiring' is perfectly true. That sounds as if Pike had been round?

I'm wondering if such interviews were from a crib sheet, Pennington, Baker, ' friends' in the rogs are virtually interchangeable.

According to ms Rutter, KH moved back to the UK very early -weeks- into the pregnancy.
KH, however, made that the end of her pregnancy. Just about the deadline for flying (8-9 months) with GM going by car, with Maddie.

??

by windchime 03.10.13 19:38

Hicks I am with you, brain cells are spinning!! I am actually starting to wonder if this phone was used by more than one person who just happened to be helping out.

Michael Wright was in PDL for the times the phone was used, then there is of course RM as you have said.

MW said something in his statement like 'I wasn't in PDL on the night of the 3rd' almost like he had actually been there before but not this date or part of this date. It is very odd but I think you are on to something.

Off out now but will defo be having a look into this later - mind you I am sure someone else will come up with loads more info than I can well before I get back!!

Have a good evening all and remember confusion is good!!

by Hicks 03.10.13 19:42

sallypelt wrote:
Hicks wrote:
tigger wrote:
Hicks wrote:
windchime wrote:
Hicks wrote:
Nereid wrote:
windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Yes very interesting read. Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct? Can we believe what we read in it? If so then it is an eye opener for sure. What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew? Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ?
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either. I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?
AnnaEsse runs the MissingMadeleine site and has also translated 'The truth of the lie' (from the French I believe.)
Thanks tigger.

My grey cells are hurting ( the few that I have!) Please bare with me, I am confusing myself.

I have found a connection. Posting this link again to save going back.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Regarding the last paragraph (phone records) it states that this 'mystery mobile ' the one used in PDL that called the Swansea number was also used near the Vascao river at certain times, look at the dates, one time between-12TH MAY-15THMAY.
The 12th of May Robert Murat hires the car using his ex-wife's address .

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Could it be just another coincidence? S B Kingston's grandmother, although born in Wales, died on 28 May 1995 in Ludham, Norfolk

sallypelt, I feel like I'm slipping into a parallel universe here, talk about coincidences....I have been trying to find a link between RM and Ludham, Norfolk. I clicked on this link. It is an election sheet or something, there is the name Ann Murat but look at the date!!

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by Hicks 03.10.13 19:47

windchime wrote:Hicks I am with you, brain cells are spinning!! I am actually starting to wonder if this phone was used by more than one person who just happened to be helping out.

Michael Wright was in PDL for the times the phone was used, then there is of course RM as you have said.

MW said something in his statement like 'I wasn't in PDL on the night of the 3rd' almost like he had actually been there before but not this date or part of this date. It is very odd but I think you are on to something.

Off out now but will defo be having a look into this later - mind you I am sure someone else will come up with loads more info than I can well before I get back!!

Have a good evening all and remember confusion is good!!

You have a good evening too. I'll be churning this over all night probably!

by Guest 03.10.13 20:15

windchime wrote:Hicks I am with you, brain cells are spinning!! I am actually starting to wonder if this phone was used by more than one person who just happened to be helping out.

Michael Wright was in PDL for the times the phone was used, then there is of course RM as you have said.

MW said something in his statement like 'I wasn't in PDL on the night of the 3rd' almost like he had actually been there before but not this date or part of this date. It is very odd but I think you are on to something.

Off out now but will defo be having a look into this later - mind you I am sure someone else will come up with loads more info than I can well before I get back!!

Have a good evening all and remember confusion is good!!

If you are a criminal, you benefit -maybe- from confusion

Here, on the Forum, are around 1550 professionals, sorting out the mess, from different angles/disciplines

We will not give up, until the killer(s) of Maddie McCann are behind bars.

by Guest 03.10.13 20:19

Hicks wrote:
sallypelt wrote:
Hicks wrote:
tigger wrote:
Hicks wrote:
windchime wrote:
Hicks wrote:
Nereid wrote:
windchime wrote:Hicks, you are possibly right - didn't Kate's phone records show a call (or two) to Swansea during the holiday?

Swansea and Plymouth - both have possible connections
Siblings are in Pembrokeshire, not Swansea. It's about 1 1/2 hours drive from Swansea.
Ok thanks for that.

This is interesting, scroll down to 'Swansea again'. I did not know that a mobile in PDL( not McCann's or friends) rang that same Swansea number. Definitely something here.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Yes very interesting read. Pardon my complete ignorance, I have not seen this site before, it says it is by GA, is that correct? Can we believe what we read in it? If so then it is an eye opener for sure. What is the bit about the 'spokesperson' leaving something under the sofa?
In relation to the untraced 2nd mobile - could it be a pay as you go phone bought and used secretly by the McCanns or tapas crew? Did Kate keep the number in her phone so as not to forget it and meant to write it down but then forgot to delete it along with all the others ?
I know the first time this number comes up is 2nd May but here's the thing if:
* they were up to no good BEFORE the 3rd and it had nothing to do with Madeleine at that time someone could well have had a pay as you go phone to use in secret.
* something happened to Madeleine before the 3rd and a friend flew out (as some of us think is highly possible) to help before the 3rd then they could have bought this 2nd unknown phone with them.
* someone, who really does not to be linked to this case, was there in PDL and also had reason to call Swansea but then that would mean they were also there during certain times in May, June and July - unless this phone was handed over to someone else to use.

Off to look at when a certain M Wright allegedly arrived in PDL the first few times, don't forget we have a M Wright who strangely drove/hired the same car before the McCanns holiday - apparently not the same person - so we are lead to believe.

Very odd.

Edited to add dates M Wright was in PDL
5 May - 11 May
14 May - 18 May !!
8 June - 13 June
12 July - 13 July
22 Aug - 1 Sept
I haven't seen this site before either. I can't seem to find anything about Anna Andress.

Can anyone help here?
AnnaEsse runs the MissingMadeleine site and has also translated 'The truth of the lie' (from the French I believe.)
Thanks tigger.

My grey cells are hurting ( the few that I have!) Please bare with me, I am confusing myself.

I have found a connection. Posting this link again to save going back.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Regarding the last paragraph (phone records) it states that this 'mystery mobile ' the one used in PDL that called the Swansea number was also used near the Vascao river at certain times, look at the dates, one time between-12TH MAY-15THMAY.
The 12th of May Robert Murat hires the car using his ex-wife's address .

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
Could it be just another coincidence? S B Kingston's grandmother, although born in Wales, died on 28 May 1995 in Ludham, Norfolk
sallypelt, I feel like I'm slipping into a parallel universe here, talk about coincidences....I have been trying to find a link between RM and Ludham, Norfolk. I clicked on this link. It is an election sheet or something, there is the name Ann Murat but look at the date!!

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

Who is Anne Murat? What's the connexion to RM and his mother?

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