Re: VIDEOS WHOOSHED

by **PeterMac** 19.07.13 22:46

Châtelaine wrote:I did the same thing too. It downloaded, BUT then it couldn't found anywhere on my computer. Maybe because I work iMac exclusively????

I use an Imac. It was in Downloads
try a search in a New Finder Window, Today, It should be at the top

by **PeterMac** 19.07.13 22:49

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:. . . Madeleine "was there".

"The night we found her"
How many more clues do they need to give.
Their sub-conscious are crying out to tell the truth.

by Who?What?Where? 19.07.13 23:54

The link that Cristobell put up is very interesting. I had not seen it before, so thank's for that.

Particularly interesting, for me, is the part from approximately 1miin 17 sec to 1 min 38 sec. As I am someone who is new to this, I was wondering how a person, as remotely connected to this situation as Philomena seemed to be, could be under some people's radar from the very start. Now, I think I can see why.

One interesting point, and there are many, is that she is already telling people what they should be doing. A McCann trait, if ever there was one.

by Guest 20.07.13 0:43

PeterMac wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:. . . Madeleine "was there".
"The night we found her"
How many more clues do they need to give.
Their sub-conscious are crying out to tell the truth.

***
I hear: "Madeleine was ..eh ..."
Like in "you know she's been abducted, but I'm not going to say that ..."

by Who?What?Where? 20.07.13 0:56

In the link that Tigger put up , I have focussed at approx 0.50 minutes onwards.

I noticed the difference, in where gerry's attnention is focussed, pre kate saying, "Maddie was gone" and where he focusses his attention, after kate's, possibly, freudian slip.

So, what does "gone" mean in the medical profession?

At 1.11, kate seem's to have exhausted all of her idea's and look's to gerry for support. She seem's to believe that gerry has all of the answer's.

I'm sorry kate, but I do not believe that he has. He could be seriously flawed. There is a real risk that you could be playing mairead, to gerry's mick phillpott.

by jeanmonroe 20.07.13 1:56

tigger wrote:This is one that JeanMonroe has as well then: I've always thought of it as the arm exercise up and down, left right, flapping hands video! It's amazing how disinterested Kate can sound.

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As the Churchill dog would say .....................Oh yes!
LOL.
Anyway,
Gerry McCann - If you are saying, "Is it theoretically possible that Madeleine left the apartment, then yes."

WELL GO ON GERRY, THE WHOLE WORLD IS STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO TELL US HOW, THEORETICALLY, SHE COULD HAVE LEFT THE APARTMENT!
YOUR WIFE HAS TOLD US SHE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO RAISE THE SHUTTER.
THE FRONT DOOR WAS LOCKED AS YOU SAID IN YOUR STATEMENTS.
YOU WERE STANDING AT THE GATE TO 5A CHATTING TO WILKINS, WHEN MADELEINE WAS SUPPOSEDLY BEING CARRIED OFF, SO YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T SEE HER OPEN AND COME OUT OF THE UNLOCKED PATIO DOORS.
SO, THEORETICALLY, HOW COULD MADELEINE POSSIBLY HAVE LEFT THE APARTMENT, BY HERSELF, AS YOU SAID?

Reckon i'll be waiting a looooooooooooong time for Gerry to tell me HOW Madeleine could have theoretically left the apartment by herself.

by **tigger** 20.07.13 7:09

Who?What?Where? wrote:In the link that Tigger put up , I have focussed at approx 0.50 minutes onwards.

I noticed the difference, in where gerry's attnention is focussed, pre kate saying, "Maddie was gone" and where he focusses his attention, after kate's, possibly, freudian slip.

So, what does "gone" mean in the medical profession?

At 1.11, kate seem's to have exhausted all of her idea's and look's to gerry for support. She seem's to believe that gerry has all of the answer's.

I'm sorry kate, but I do not believe that he has. He could be seriously flawed. There is a real risk that you could be playing mairead, to gerry's mick phillpott.

It would be great to add the body language and cues to the transcript below which JeanMonroe found and posted on MM. Must say that Gerry definitely jumps in fast when Kate is asked about leaving the twins behind. Kate definitely says 'Madeleine was there.'

Kate McCann: Well, I remember that night very well. Well, I ran. I said, "Madeleine's gone. Someone's taken her."

At 0:20, Sandra Felgueiras voice over - Three years later Kate McCann still refuses to go back to Praia da Luz to reconstitute the night when Madeleine disappeared. Lisbon was, therefore, the stage chosen to listen for the first time, in the first person, the story version which intrigued the PJ.

Sandra Felgueiras on location: When you got into the apartment at 10pm and you didn't see Madeleine, you just ran shouting that she was missing. Weren't you afraid to leave Sean and Amelie behind? What crossed your mind?

Kate McCann - Well first of all, I didn't just walk in and notice she'd gone. It was the fact that the door was open to the bedroom quite wide. When I went to close the door, it slammed and that's when I noticed that Madeleine was there. And then I thought had she wandered through to our bed, so I went through to our room and she wasn't there and then I went back in again. And ermm... And then I just literally flew round the apartment, once I realised that the window was open and the shutter was up. I flew round the apartment and I just flew. I don't know, I don't... You know, I just ran out, I mean, I knew I could be there in seconds and I just screamed as soon as I saw the table. I screamed.

Sandra Felgueiras - Now when you look back, you realise it could be, could have been dangerous for Sean and Amelie to let them behind? No?

Gerry McCann - I don't think that's right and certainly in medical training, the first thing you get taught in an emergency situation is to call for help. That's part of, that gets drummed into you.

Sandra Felgueiras - So it was a natural reaction?

Gerry McCann - No, err... Its one of the things that should be considered for us but I think most people would react like that.

Sandra Felgueiras - Did it ever cross your mind, Madeleine wouldn't be able to cross the door just looking after you, alone?

Kate McCann - If I can just explain what I found. The shutters which had been down all week and when I went in and there was a gust that blew the curtains open, that's when I noticed that the shutter had been pulled up.

Sandra Felgueiras - So you have no doubts, she was taken from the bed?

Kate McCann - No doubts. A three-year old would not be able to do that.

Gerry McCann - If you are saying, "Is it theoretically possible that Madeleine left the apartment, then yes. Do we believe it and do we think she was capable of leaving the apartment the way it was found and by which exit did she leave, then absolutely not.

At 2:49, Sandra Felgueiras voice over - Three years later, Kate and Gerry can now smile, but they confess since the day 3 of May of 2007, they have never knew what is complete happiness in a sunny day.
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Then we have that very weird medical training they've both had:

Gerry says that in medical school you're taught to call for help - surely not if you ARE the help?
Kate says in her book that thanks to her medical training she whizzed round the apartment to see if Maddie was hiding anywhere.
Gerry says he saw Maddie lying on the bed in the recovery position (iirc friends or press remarked that only a doctor could say that)
Kate finds no problem in announcing that she's been in close contact with six corpses wearing her holiday clothes and taking cuddlecat with her.
In the book there is an anecdote where a family member is having a heart attack. Kate is pregnant and worries about having to give hands-on help.
Gerry goes off to phone the emergency services, Maddie allegedly goes over to the stricken man and tries listen to his heart with her toy stethoscope (a complete medical trolley for your child of two at the time, how immensely proud are they of their profession?)

I would think I was very lucky if I had a heart attack with a cardiac consultant at my side. Except when it's G.P. McCann of course.

by Guest 20.07.13 8:18

Philomena

No matter what she said in public, I bet she ripped Gerry a new one in private.

by Penfold 20.07.13 10:08

tigger wrote:

Sandra Felgueiras on location: When you got into the apartment at 10pm and you didn't see Madeleine, you just ran shouting that she was missing. Weren't you afraid to leave Sean and Amelie behind? What crossed your mind?

Sandra Felgueiras - Now when you look back, you realise it could be, could have been dangerous for Sean and Amelie to let them behind? No?

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Two more questions skilfully evaded by Kate

by susible 20.07.13 10:14

a family member is having a heart attack. Kate is pregnant and worries about having to give hands-on help.
Gerry goes off to phone the emergency services, Maddie allegedly goes over to the stricken man and tries listen to his heart with her toy stethoscope (a complete medical trolley for your child of two at the time

What??? So one of your relatives is having a heart attack, and both of you as fully qualified doctors (one a heart specialist) do nothing to help and instead let your toddler crawl all over them..If I was in that situation and had the medical knowledge, fair enough I'd call for an ambulance, but I'd be checking their pulse etc, making sure they remained calm and I would be ushering children out of the room, not allowing them to potentially cause harm to my stricken family member!.

I didn't think I could be surprised any more at the actions of the Dr's McCann...I was wrong...

Also glad that I heard that correctly in the video that Kate says "Madeleine was there" For all of their lying, they have an incredible ability to keep slotting the truth in from time to time.

by Penfold 20.07.13 10:29

Cardiologists, in general, are gifted and vital people, but they are not much use if they haven't got all the gubbins in the Cath. Lab around them. G and K appear to have less knowledge about how to look after a heart attack patient than the average first aider has. Running around flapping and letting kids play with plastic stethoscopes is not in the manual!

by susible 20.07.13 10:36

Exactly Penfold, even someone with zero medical knowledge would immediately remove very young children from the room in that situation, not least because it could be very distressing for the child, and of course, potentially very dangerous for the patient...

Of course this could all be more McFairy tales, to A) reinforce that they are doctors and B) that Madeleine was "such a bright child" who has obviously gained medical skills by osmosis from her parents, but as usual, they just come across as weird and abnormal! The Mc's never cease to amaze me...

by jeanmonroe 20.07.13 10:41

"Three years later Kate McCann still refuses to go back to Praia da Luz to reconstitute the night when Madeleine disappeared."

Shouldn't that NOW be changed to:

"SIX years later Kate McCann STILL REFUSES to go back to Praia da Luz to reconstitute the night when Madeleine 'disappeared'

What a great mum she is!

STILL refusing to help anyone, including Madeleine, or the police with the investigation, other than herself!

by joyce1938 20.07.13 10:55

Well you could not miss these words ,she was there,it will try to be spun to mean ,well she WAS there?could it be made to look that way ?joyce1938

by susible 20.07.13 11:06

Hi Joyce, I sometimes think that they just say whatever they need to say for any given situation, but often slip up if they've been pressed on a particular issue. However, they don't seem to take in account what they have previously said and they end up contradicting themselves, no matter though, whilst we in forumland notice all of the faux pas, all of the interviewers, journos etc, just seem to gloss over the inconsistencies and never stop them and say "Wait a minute, you just said that Madeleine was there?" Or "Did you not previously say x and now you're saying y"

I'm just hoping that the press etc are all holding back for the day that they are finally charged and cannot then use "trial by media" as an excuse to wiggle out of it!

by joyce1938 20.07.13 11:13

Thanks for your reply suzuble,yes true and we can all but hope one day all will be out in open and we shall know truth . joyce1938

by susible 20.07.13 11:15

I'm totally of that belief Joyce..justice will come, when I do not know, but I am sure that one day it will

by jeanmonroe 20.07.13 12:03

Châtelaine wrote:The videos are vital. Without Gerry's behaviour and facial expression when he interrupts Kate with this nonsense text
[*] it doesn't have the same bearing.

[*]how on earth can someone almost "think" something? Almost "do" something, O.K. But almost "think" something? I, at least cannot do that, almost think ...

[*]

DAVID PAYNE STATEMENT:
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It was also usual to have dinner together every night.

With the exception of Saturday, when they all dined at the "Millennium" restaurant, every evening the group met at the "Tapas" restaurant at around 8.45 for dinner.

YET GERRY MCCANN SAYS HE WASN'T SURE THEY'D GET IN!
OOppps!

DP: "Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 8.55pm. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present,"

Convienently FORGETTING that he has just passed MO going BACK to his apartment to check on his child!

SO MO WASN'T "PRESENT" AT THE RESTAURANT WHEN DP ARRIVED, WAS HE?
SO NOT ALL MEMBERS OF THE GROUP WERE THERE WERE THEY MR PAYNE?
WHY LIE?

by **tigger** 20.07.13 12:05

jeanmonroe wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:The videos are vital. Without Gerry's behaviour and facial expression when he interrupts Kate with this nonsense text
[*] it doesn't have the same bearing.

[*]how on earth can someone almost "think" something? Almost "do" something, O.K. But almost "think" something? I, at least cannot do that, almost think ...
[*]

DAVID PAYNE STATEMENT:
It was also usual to have dinner together every night.

With the exception of Saturday, when they all dined at the "Millennium" restaurant, every evening the group met at the "Tapas" restaurant at around 8.45 for dinner.

YET GERRY MCCANN SAYS HE WASN'T SURE THEY'D GET IN!

DP: "Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 8.55pm. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present,"

Convienently FORGETTING that he has just passed MO going BACK to his apartment to check on his child!

SO MO WASN'T AT PRESENT AT THE RESTAURANT WHEN DP ARRIVED, WAS HE?
SO NOT ALL MEMBERS OF THE GROUP WERE THERE WERE THEY MR PAYNE?
WHY LIE?

[*]

Amaral remarked that they weren't very observant people. Always looking at their watches I expect, since we're getting very exact times.

by susible 20.07.13 12:08

Amaral remarked that they weren't very observant people. Always looking at their watches I expect, since we're getting very exact times.

Which is surprising seeing as according to Clarence, none of them had mobile phones or watches..No wait, some of them had mobile phones and watches...

by jeanmonroe 20.07.13 12:36

susible wrote:
Amaral remarked that they weren't very observant people. Always looking at their watches I expect, since we're getting very exact times.

Which is surprising seeing as according to Clarence, none of them had mobile phones or watches..No wait, some of them had mobile phones and watches...

RACHEL OLDFIELD:
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"Russell was the next one to arrive at the table and that was probably at about, probably about quarter to nine, maybe ten to nine, probably not quite ten to nine, you know like quarter to or eight forty seven or something like that, erm.."

SHE MUST HAVE WORKED OUT THE EXACT "EIGHT FORTY SEVEN" TIMING BY LOOKING AT AND READING THE STARS ON THAT FATEFUL, CLOUDNESS, NIGHT!

WHO NEEDS A SILLY WATCH WHEN YOU CAN DO THAT?

by susible 20.07.13 12:45

jeanmonroe wrote:
susible wrote:
Amaral remarked that they weren't very observant people. Always looking at their watches I expect, since we're getting very exact times.

Which is surprising seeing as according to Clarence, none of them had mobile phones or watches..No wait, some of them had mobile phones and watches...

RACHEL OLDFIELD:
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"Russell was the next one to arrive at the table and that was probably at about, probably about quarter to nine, maybe ten to nine, probably not quite ten to nine, you know like quarter to or eight forty seven or something like that, erm.."

SHE MUST HAVE WORKED OUT THE EXACT "EIGHT FORTY SEVEN" TIMING BY LOOKING AT AND READING THE STARS ON THAT FATEFUL, CLOUDNESS, NIGHT!

WHO NEEDS A SILLY WATCH WHEN YOU CAN DO THAT?

Think you've cracked it there Jean

It's all the blathering that they do in interviews, statements etc (the rogatories being the best example) No one can answer a simple question in as few words as possible...they all just keep gibbering on and on and on, making very little sense.

I'm sure I remember a thread from the old 3A where someone removed all of the err's, umm's, you know's from the rogies in the hope that it might provide some clarity, but in fact it made even less sense

by jeanmonroe 20.07.13 13:19

My all time favourite is Jane Tanner's

JT. 'yeah, no, yeah so i don't know'

BRILLIANT!

by susible 20.07.13 13:29

jeanmonroe wrote:My all time favourite is Jane Tanner's

JT. 'yeah, no, yeah so i don't know'

BRILLIANT!

Hahaha...I'm surprised that the interviewers managed to keep a straight face...

by Guest 20.07.13 13:30

A real life Vicky Pollard in fact!

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Anyone who manages to read all Jane Tanner's statements without screaming deserves a medal.

by susible 20.07.13 13:32

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:A real life Vicky Pollard in fact!

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Anyone who manages to read all Jane Tanner's statements without screaming deserves a medal.

Anyone who manages to read and comprehend Jane Tanner's statements at all deserves a medal...(and probably a month in therapy to recover)

by jeanmonroe 20.07.13 13:55

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:A real life Vicky Pollard in fact!

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Anyone who manages to read all Jane Tanner's statements without screaming deserves a medal.

"Whatever you do, don't get stranded in outer space. Remember, in space, no one can hear you scream."

Does 'i wuz well spaced out, man, when i read themz statements, innit' count?

by plebgate 20.07.13 14:30

susible wrote:
a family member is having a heart attack. Kate is pregnant and worries about having to give hands-on help.
Gerry goes off to phone the emergency services, Maddie allegedly goes over to the stricken man and tries listen to his heart with her toy stethoscope (a complete medical trolley for your child of two at the time

What??? So one of your relatives is having a heart attack, and both of you as fully qualified doctors (one a heart specialist) do nothing to help and instead let your toddler crawl all over them..If I was in that situation and had the medical knowledge, fair enough I'd call for an ambulance, but I'd be checking their pulse etc, making sure they remained calm and I would be ushering children out of the room, not allowing them to potentially cause harm to my stricken family member!.

I didn't think I could be surprised any more at the actions of the Dr's McCann...I was wrong...

Also glad that I heard that correctly in the video that Kate says "Madeleine was there" For all of their lying, they have an incredible ability to keep slotting the truth in from time to time.

I would rather have Vinny Jones tend me than Mr. or Mrs. big grin

Re. the interview with Sandra. Mr. said medics are trained to call for help.

Well said Mr. clapping

CALL for help, not dash out of an apartment where an abductor might still be lurking and leave your other two children alone. Could have CALLED from the balcony or used the mobile but she ran over to the bar all of a flap to say Maddie had been taken. Just how she knew Maddie had been taken at that stage has never been explained other than (iirc) that she just knew.

by Penfold 20.07.13 14:36

... and she knew that 'they" had taken her! Did she also know that "they" wouldn't be coming back for the other two wee 'uns?

by susible 20.07.13 14:37

Just how she knew Maddie had been taken at that stage has never been explained other than (iirc) that she just knew.

Yes Plebgate, the infamous NoTW interview with Kate doing her best "pensive" look, saying "I know what happened due to what I saw in the apartment, but due to Portugal's secrecy laws and being an arguida, I can't disclose what is was (not her actual words but along those lines)

Arguido status lifted and several years down the line, and Kate has still not enlightened us to this potentially vital piece of evidence that proves the abduction theory.

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