Re: SY ANNOUNCEMENT 2pm 4/7/13

by bristow 04.07.13 14:31

jozi wrote:
stillsloppingout wrote:Well there we are then the whitewash complete . NONE OF THE 12 BRITISH SUSPECTS ARE ANY OF THE TAPAS GROUP OR THE MCCANNS .

Absolutly unbelievable .

More millions wasted . The copper could hardly keep a straight face . Sadly the fight is really over now .

Well, I welcome the news. Its a step in the right direction and they are hardly going to announce Mr and Mrs are the main suspects are they ???

Its best to listen carefully to what the McCanns say about this !.......They don't seem to be saying much at all ???

I'm glad they welcome the New British Investigation and what else was mentioned,Oh yes, none of them are suspects.....pull the other one !!!

And where is Clarry when you need him ?

Clarrie has made a statement

"Kate and Gerry warmly welcome this shift in the Metropolitan Police emphasis. They see it as a huge step forward in establishing what happened and hope that it will lead to bringing to justice whoever was responsible for Madeleine's abduction."

by Newintown 04.07.13 14:31

Coming up on Sky now after the ads - where does the MM investigation go from here?

by **tigger** 04.07.13 14:32

lj wrote:I did not see or hear the announcement, but from all the cr@p that came out before it was clear it was going to be a whitewash.

Now let's hope that everyone, who was involved in this miscarriage of justice, has to be present at every whiny presentation, that alcohol loving hotlips Healy is going to give.

Quite, it can't be whitewashed unless you have the item to be whitewashed under your own control. Ah well, we'll keep manning the barricades of justice and truth...

by Me 04.07.13 14:32

stillsloppingout wrote:
Me wrote:Well my immediate view is that nothing much has changed.

They want to investigate and have the powers to interview these 38 people. Once they have interviewed them all then where do they go? Back to the statements.

It strikes me that this is simply a transfer of investigative powers from Portugal to the UK and that once these 38 "persons of interest" have been interviewed then they can have a look at the Tapas mob without fear of the same accusations that befell the PJ.

They appear to be working from the back to the front.
NO The Police don't categorically rule everybody out , then back in again , especially in a case this high profile .
Portugal is skint they have rolled over . and the Yard are , bowing to the celebrity status of the McCann's .

Really? I disagree. They can quite easily rule people out based on the information they have now. That can of course change once new information has come to light.

by Ayniia 04.07.13 14:32

Before saying anything and ruling out the parents and the friends the SY should:
Explain in a clear way all the inconsistencies in the statements,
Explain why they are not looking at the dogs findings,
Explain who died in 5A,
Explain why did the Portuguese made the couple arguidos (if they now have said they're not suspects ),
Explain the deleted phone calls / texts...
This is just too stupid.

by margaret 04.07.13 14:33

Nowhere in that Met statement does it say the parents are ruled out.

by happychick 04.07.13 14:34

It looks as if the MET binned the e-book.

by marconi 04.07.13 14:36

Tony Bennett, please tell us : what does this mean and is this protocol abliged by law?

Will the Yard start everything over again?

Help!

by happychick 04.07.13 14:38

marconi wrote:Tony Bennett, please tell us : what does this mean and is this protocol abliged by law?

Will the Yard start everything over again?

Help!

You need to ask PeterMac yes

by sallypelt 04.07.13 14:40

They include 12 British nationals, some of whom are based in Portugal and some in the UK

by Guest 04.07.13 14:40

Bristow wrote:
Clarrie has made a statement

"Kate and Gerry warmly welcome this shift in the Metropolitan Police emphasis. They see it as a huge step forward in establishing what happened and hope that it will lead to bringing to justice whoever was responsible for Madeleine's abduction."

I wonder if he managed to keep a straight face when he said that.

Mind you, he should be an expert on that after all these years with the McCanns.

by tasprin 04.07.13 14:40

I no longer have any faith whatsoever in the Metropolitan police. They'll stop young black guys (just because they're black) hundreds of times over without a shred of evidence that they've done anything wrong, yet these people..the tapas9.. left a young child alone in an unlocked flat at night, then lied, then refused to cooperate with police and went on to make millions from her disappearance.... the Met take over the inquiry and don't even want to talk to any of them. Absolutely incredible.

by Cristobell 04.07.13 14:42

Ayniia wrote:Before saying anything and ruling out the parents and the friends the SY should:
Explain in a clear way all the inconsistencies in the statements,
Explain why they are not looking at the dogs findings,
Explain who died in 5A,
Explain why did the Portuguese made the couple arguidos (if they now have said they're not suspects ),
Explain the deleted phone calls / texts...
This is just too stupid.

Thats what I was wondering Peter. Surely the police will have to explain everything that led to them being made arguidos. And arrests will lead to a public trial when all the evidence will have to be proved. How can they pin it on 12 random people?

by sallypelt 04.07.13 14:44

I think too many are jumping to conclusions and calling it a "whitewash". I don't think for one moment it is. This is HUGE and is going to take a long time yet, before we know what is going on, but I STILL stand by "follow the money", and look at ALL who are involved.

I found this part of the statement, interesting:

Detectives are at an early stage of the new investigation, known as Operation Grange, and arrests are not expected in the immediate future.

by cockerspaniel 04.07.13 14:44

Me wrote:
cockerspaniel wrote:personally I think thats it, why bother chasing 38 unknown suspects if you know who did it and where they are?? will the last person leaving this website remember to close the doors and turn of the lights, bon voyage !!!

To rule out all other persons of interest that they have found to prevent accusations of "shambolic" "witchhunts" when the parents and the Tapas mob get called in.

after all this time why are we worried about the words shambolic and witchhunt, seriously who cares? if they were really after the Mccanns why waste all this time chasing sooo many other suspects. softly softly catchee monkey is just stretching credibility to far. I think you can spin this latest bit of news any way you want Me, but i dont think your going to get a conviction till KM does her deathbed confession. If you are proved right I will be the first 1 to apologise. all just my opinion of course.

by Lostfridge 04.07.13 14:46

Its interesting that its says in many of the articles the SY are opening their own investigation. Is it possible that PJ and Portugal are not actually on board with all this, just letting SY get on with whatever BS they like.

by jeanmonroe 04.07.13 14:47

sallypelt wrote:They include 12 British nationals, some of whom are based in Portugal and some in the UK

Which means 26 are NOT!

by sallypelt 04.07.13 14:48

Lostfridge wrote:Its interesting that its says in many of the articles the SY are opening their own investigation. Is it possible that PJ and Portugal are not actually on board with all this, just letting SY get on with whatever BS they like.

All the statements that I've read says that SY will carry out the investigations IN PORTUGAL

by **Hobs** 04.07.13 14:50

DCI Redwood said: "There is no clear, definitive proof that Madeleine McCann is dead.

"On that basis I genuinely believe there is a possibility she is still alive. And so I would like to ask the public to continue to look for her."

Read his actual words, not what you think he meant.

His statement is actually weak.

he does not tell us there is no proof Madeleine is dead only that there is NO CLEAR AND DEFINITIVE proof.
Additional words, known as qualifiers, weaken a statement.
Here we see not one but 2 qualifiers further weakening the statement.
Clear and definitive proof of death would be a body, you can't get clearer or more definitive than that.
A body is what we don't have.

He doesn't tell us there is NO proof Madeleine is dead, he cannot say that, given the reactions of the two dogs and the forensic evidence found in the apartment and hire car.
That evidence exists and has been recorded, it is circumstantial evidence of death.
Circumstantial evidence, although not as strong as actual evidence (a body, witnesses to the crime, being caught in the act etc) it however, can be enough to get a conviction if there is enough to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the crime was committed by the person accused.

Next, notice how weak his statement is in regard to Madeleine being possibly alive.
Again a strong statement would be i know Madeleine is alive, or i believe Madeleine is alive.

I believe leaves it open for others to believe otherwise, this can be though knowledge or from evidence.
He weakens it with the qualifier GENUINELY which although it sounds like a strong statement is rather weakened by it.
Can he fake believe she is alive?

The evidence indicates a death in the apartment, the record of the dogs is such that it would be unusual for them to give a false positive in the mccann apartment and not in any other apartment and only to their car and not any other car, and to cuddlecat and items of clothing and not to toys or clothing from other people.
The evidence is such that the mccanns were forced to explain away what was found rather than the fact the dogs were wrong (when gerry tried by using a murder case in America it backfired spectacularly when the killer admitted the dogs had been right all along)

If there was no evidence why did the mccanns come up with explanations for why evidence was found rather than the expected there is no evidence.

And at the start of a sentence indicates missing information, the AND comes right after telling us there is a possibility she is alive, so what is he not telling us?
Looking at what he said in regard to proof of death and belief in life.
He knows.

Would is future conditional.
Expected, if he believed Madeleine was alive, is I WANT the public to keep looking for her.
He cannot ask that since he knows (given the evidence,the behavior of the parents and tapas 7, the statistics etc) that Madeleine is long dead.
He would like us to look for a live Madeleine, now, what does he WANT us to do in reality?

SO is used to explain why something was said/done.

by lj 04.07.13 14:52

stillsloppingout wrote:
Me wrote:Well my immediate view is that nothing much has changed.

They want to investigate and have the powers to interview these 38 people. Once they have interviewed them all then where do they go? Back to the statements.

It strikes me that this is simply a transfer of investigative powers from Portugal to the UK and that once these 38 "persons of interest" have been interviewed then they can have a look at the Tapas mob without fear of the same accusations that befell the PJ.

They appear to be working from the back to the front.
NO The Police don't categorically rule everybody out , then back in again , especially in a case this high profile .
Portugal is skint they have rolled over . and the Yard are , bowing to the celebrity status of the McCann's .

I agree, slopping. That's why I hope that SY has to go to the monthly "bow for the Holy Kate" festival, and that she will be in all their nightmares.

People, wake up, there are too many "VIPs" who don't want to look stupid involved. Kate has not only Gerry by the balls, but the SY and a whole lot more.

by cockerspaniel 04.07.13 14:52

BTW, 38 people...what the !! I was under the impression that the only people milling around the dark deserted streets at 9-10pm that night were the tapas lot. maybe there was a fishermans convention going on in the street at that time, at least it would explain the seabass behind the sofa scenario.

by ShuBob 04.07.13 14:52

sallypelt wrote:I think too many are jumping to conclusions and calling it a "whitewash". I don't think for one moment it is. This is HUGE and is going to take a long time yet, before we know what is going on, but I STILL stand by "follow the money", and look at ALL who are involved.

I found this part of the statement, interesting:

Detectives are at an early stage of the new investigation, known as Operation Grange, and arrests are not expected in the immediate future.

I was just going to post similar.

Does it not strike some people as perculiar that a point is being made that the McCanns are not considered amongst the 38 "persons of interest"? Why make a song and dance about that given that the case hasn't been solved?

The case will have to be closed as a whitewash for me to actually conclude it is so. Until then, I remain optimistic.

by Lostfridge 04.07.13 14:53

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Such heroes!. You wouldn't think they left their small children alone in an apartment would you.....

This is an interesting part....
"As the Police team move into the phase of a full-blown criminal investigation, Scotland Yard is asking for media restraint. If and when arrests take place that call will no doubt be severely tested,"

by Newintown 04.07.13 14:54

cockerspaniel wrote:
Me wrote:
cockerspaniel wrote:personally I think thats it, why bother chasing 38 unknown suspects if you know who did it and where they are?? will the last person leaving this website remember to close the doors and turn of the lights, bon voyage !!!

To rule out all other persons of interest that they have found to prevent accusations of "shambolic" "witchhunts" when the parents and the Tapas mob get called in.

after all this time why are we worried about the words shambolic and witchhunt, seriously who cares? if they were really after the Mccanns why waste all this time chasing sooo many other suspects. softly softly catchee monkey is just stretching credibility to far. I think you can spin this latest bit of news any way you want Me, but i dont think your going to get a conviction till KM does her deathbed confession. If you are proved right I will be the first 1 to apologise. all just my opinion of course.

Graham Wettone, former MET police officer speaking on Sky a few minutes ago:

"MET have got very good links with PJ police, they are both working well together. It is still believed by MET Madeleine could be alive.

Casual workers, bar workers etc could be amongst the 12 British people to be interviewed out of the 38.

McCanns not under any suspicion, MET will keep them updated as things progress. They may be given another family liaison officer or one they have worked with in the past".

If there was any slightest idea that the McCanns were involved wouldn't the MET keep quiet. Why would they give out all this information now? We don't hear endless news updates on any other MET investigations, none that I can think of anyway.

by sallypelt 04.07.13 14:55

"Detectives say Madeleine's parents, the friends the McCanns were with in Portugal and people known to the family before they went away are not suspects or people they need to investigate"

I think this says far more than some realise. Often, you have to cross a lot of water to get to the island, so, at the moment, I completely understand why they say they aren't interested in the McCann's and their friends, who were with them on holiday............they can wait!

by marconi 04.07.13 14:58

I don't believe the PJ would allow England to again make a fool of them, at the eyes of the world.

There must be an agreement between both police.

What irritates me is that this will take longer than I thought but the SY will have the right to squeeze Tapas 9.

The McCanns must regret their pressure on the British government.

Kate must regret her book. They never thought the case would get this far.

by sallypelt 04.07.13 14:58

Newintown wrote:
cockerspaniel wrote:
Me wrote:
cockerspaniel wrote:personally I think thats it, why bother chasing 38 unknown suspects if you know who did it and where they are?? will the last person leaving this website remember to close the doors and turn of the lights, bon voyage !!!

To rule out all other persons of interest that they have found to prevent accusations of "shambolic" "witchhunts" when the parents and the Tapas mob get called in.

after all this time why are we worried about the words shambolic and witchhunt, seriously who cares? if they were really after the Mccanns why waste all this time chasing sooo many other suspects. softly softly catchee monkey is just stretching credibility to far. I think you can spin this latest bit of news any way you want Me, but i dont think your going to get a conviction till KM does her deathbed confession. If you are proved right I will be the first 1 to apologise. all just my opinion of course.

Graham Wettone, former MET police officer speaking on Sky a few minutes ago:

"MET have got very good links with PJ police, they are both working well together. It is still believed by MET Madeleine could be alive.

Casual workers, bar workers etc could be amongst the 12 British people to be interviewed out of the 38.

Mcccanns not under any suspicion, MET will keep them updated as things progress. They may be given another family liaison officer or one they have worked with in the past".

If there was any slightest idea that the McCanns were involved wouldn't the MET keep quiet. Why would they give out all this information now? We don't hear endless news updates on any other MET investigations, none that I can think of anyway.

EXACTLY!! How exposed will people be if MET start naming names of people, who may not be of interest at this stage? We have to keep people's safety in mind, and this is what I believe they MAY be doing. That's if any of those we THINK may be guilty, are!

by Lostfridge 04.07.13 15:01

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood: "There is no clear, definitive proof that Madeleine McCann is dead"

Detectives say Madeleine's parents, the friends the McCanns were with in Portugal and people known to the family before they went away are not suspects or people they need to investigate.

by Newintown 04.07.13 15:04

marconi wrote:I don't believe the PJ would allow England to again make a fool of them, at the eyes of the world.

There must be an agreement between both police.

What irritates me is that this will take longer than I thought but the SY will have the right to squeeze Tapas 9.

The McCanns must regret their pressure on the British government.

Kate must regret her book. They never thought the case would get this far.

I wonder how this will affect the trial with GA. The only thing I can think of is that the McCanns are being kept out of the loop at the moment to let the trial go ahead. I can't see GA settling with a handout, it would look like that he is bowing down to the McCanns when it was them who brought the case and it wouldn't allow his book to be published in the UK, unless one of the conditions of a settlement he makes is that his book is printed all over Europe and he gets a public apology from them. GA seemed determined to get the McCanns into a court, though, at the beginning.

by Lostfridge 04.07.13 15:04

British police have formally asked the Crown Prosecution Service to submit an International Letter of Request to Portuguese authorities for assistance in obtaining evidence relating to their inquiries.!!!!!!

And what about the Portuguese request for the Tapas credit card records and medical records of the Mccann family?....