Re: Clarence

by **PeterMac** 07.01.15 22:01

Rather buggers up the Hacked-Off campaign, doesn't it ! !
Rather messes up the moral high ground inhabited by Carter-Ruck

by Angelique 08.01.15 1:20

I have re-watched Part 4 of Buried by Mainstream Media and it seems to me that CM was the go between the Government Departments and the McCanns - damage control etc. I think he was still employed by the Government of the day despite what was suggested that he was working for the McCanns - in a way he was and still is.

But it seems he is now distancing himself from the "fray" as it were and carving a new direction to go in.

What worries me is - does this mean it's nearly all over bar the shouting - as in the whitewash?

Is he the barometer as to which way and where we are at now.

by **Tony Bennett** 08.01.15 7:39

Ladyinred wrote:Conservative Party Conference starts tomorrow, general election in a few months. We're going to see much more of him, unfortunately. Surely he'll need to sever his ties with the Mcs if he's serious about becoming an MP (not that I believe he'll be elected in Brighton Pavilion).

Such is the dire performance of Ed Millband and the Labour Party he leads that the Green Party have reversed opinon polls in the Brighton and Hove constituency and are now expected to WIN the seat. They are now odds-on favourites with the bookies.

If you want to back Clarence Mitchell, Ladbrokes have very attractive odds as he is now 50-1 against:

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Although backing him would be like donating to Ladbrokes

by aiyoyo 08.01.15 7:52

Angelique wrote:I have re-watched Part 4 of Buried by Mainstream Media and it seems to me that CM was the go between the Government Departments and the McCanns - damage control etc. I think he was still employed by the Government of the day despite what was suggested that he was working for the McCanns - in a way he was and still is.

But it seems he is now distancing himself from the "fray" as it were and carving a new direction to go in.

What worries me is - does this mean it's nearly all over bar the shouting - as in the whitewash?

Is he the barometer as to which way and where we are at now.

No, he's no the barometer, not in my view in that respect.
The government owes us an answer why they deployed him so hastily to help the Mcs.
Was this unprecedented move simply a good will gesture but in retrospect a misjudged and misguided decision? Or something more?

Should he get voted in, he can no longer be on retainer basis for the Mcs.

by **PeterMac** 08.01.15 8:22

Tony Bennett wrote:
Such is the dire performance of Ed Millband and the Labour Party he leads that the Green Party have reversed opinon polls in the Brighton and Hove constituency and are now expected to WIN the seat. They are now odds-on favourites with the bookies.

I believe she is a good "Constituency MP", looking after her people, and not in it for herself.

by Angelique 08.01.15 9:00

aiyoyo

Thank you for your reply - it's because of how many departments were involved from the start that convinces me that it's not something done by mistake. Not a spontaneous reaction regretted by a Government protecting their reputation abroad.

However, time will tell one way or the other.

by Guest 08.01.15 12:47

PeterMac wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Such is the dire performance of Ed Millband and the Labour Party he leads that the Green Party have reversed opinon polls in the Brighton and Hove constituency and are now expected to WIN the seat. They are now odds-on favourites with the bookies.
I believe she is a good "Constituency MP", looking after her people, and not in it for herself.

I agree. That rare thing, an honest politician, is how she comes across. And the people she represents will see that more than anyone.

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The Brighton summary of candidates makes interesting reading. 'Former spokesman'. Has Clarrie jumped ship?

by woodforthetrees 08.01.15 13:05

Angelique wrote:I have re-watched Part 4 of Buried by Mainstream Media and it seems to me that CM was the go between the Government Departments and the McCanns - damage control etc. I think he was still employed by the Government of the day despite what was suggested that he was working for the McCanns - in a way he was and still is.

But it seems he is now distancing himself from the "fray" as it were and carving a new direction to go in.

What worries me is - does this mean it's nearly all over bar the shouting - as in the whitewash?

Is he the barometer as to which way and where we are at now.

I suspect his recent dampening as their spokes person would be purely down to financials...i.e the McCanns aren't as flush as they were a few years ago and i'm pretty sure there won't be too many donations coming into the fund to pay his fees.

Clarence will only flaunt his BS if his pockets are being filled.

by ultimaThule 08.01.15 14:06

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Appalled by Paris killings. Terrorism pure and simple that no God wld recognise or sanction. Journalism must remain free. Tolerance will out

What was it he said about the job of himself and his MMU team?

Did it have anything to do with the importance of staying on message, Doug?

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by plebgate 08.01.15 16:04

Just why they think any of us give a monkeys I don't know. Who are they? Everyone knows why they have been thrust into the limelight (so to speak), do they really think people like me are going to take a blind bit of notice of what they have to say? PAH.

by Doug D 08.01.15 21:15

UT, this is the quote I was referring to:

‘I was the Director of the Government's Media Monitoring Unit. Their work, about 40 people, and their function is to control what gets printed in the press.’

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Maria Barbosa
29 September 2007
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So that’s ‘Journalism remaining free’ is it?

by Doug D 08.01.15 23:03

Joana’s tweet response to CM (although it doesn’t appear on his twitter thread, surprise, surprise):

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by Angelique 09.01.15 0:56

woodforthetrees

Yes I understand that his words are paid for. But perhaps I have not made my point clear.

Its my belief that in any whitewash by the Government of the day, there is a set agenda and timing for everything. When to be proactive, what information to throw out etc., etc. If you really, really take in what Part 4 of RH Buried by Mainstream Media exposes you will see that it wasn't some petty backing for Brits Abroad - it was more like a barricade and every angle was taken care of no matter what emerged from the investigation by the Portuguese. The fact that CM has delicately extricated himself, little by little from the employment which is "the McCanns operation" and now expecting to enter Government via politics makes me look twice at what has emerged.

I know it has been mentioned on other threads that MI5/6 can and do gather information which can be used later and it would not surprise me if this was why they were involved in this. It could account for what has been mentioned and is covered in the videos about Martin Grimes.

It's does seem always the way that by the time we, the general public, realise something has changed it's all over, done and dusted, next.

by woodforthetrees 09.01.15 9:40

Angelique wrote:woodforthetrees

Yes I understand that his words are paid for. But perhaps I have not made my point clear.

Its my belief that in any whitewash by the Government of the day, there is a set agenda and timing for everything. When to be proactive, what information to throw out etc., etc. If you really, really take in what Part 4 of RH Buried by Mainstream Media exposes you will see that it wasn't some petty backing for Brits Abroad - it was more like a barricade and every angle was taken care of no matter what emerged from the investigation by the Portuguese. The fact that CM has delicately extricated himself, little by little from the employment which is "the McCanns operation" and now expecting to enter Government via politics makes me look twice at what has emerged.

I know it has been mentioned on other threads that MI5/6 can and do gather information which can be used later and it would not surprise me if this was why they were involved in this. It could account for what has been mentioned and is covered in the videos about Martin Grimes.

It's does seem always the way that by the time we, the general public, realise something has changed it's all over, done and dusted, next.

Clarence is not suddenly 'expecting to enter politics', he's worked for the gvt and various officials before, he just wants to have a different role in the public sector.... now he isn't getting as much cash from the McCanns and his 'good work' (in his eyes, not any one elses) he has done for the McCanns is stapled to his CV.

I agree, Gerry had a mountain of help from various sources right from day 1, this is well documented and his connections/knowledge in the political/pharmaceutical industry and support from senior mason figures is the reason behind that (and IMO some knowledge regarding pedophilia activity with prominent figures). I dare say that the politicians (who ordered various police resources to assist) went the extra mile as they quickly realised (through Clarence) that it was a media frenzy and as such, a publicity opportunity.... although as things developed, this turned out to be a poisoned chalice.

by RabbitIsland 10.01.15 12:38

Quick question - does anyone know for certain who the 'mutual friend' or 'link' between Mitchell and the McCanns is? Interesting that he was the first major 'appointment' they made...

by **Tony Bennett** 10.01.15 13:08

RabbitIsland wrote:Quick question - does anyone know for certain who the 'mutual friend' or 'link' between Mitchell and the McCanns is? Interesting that he was the first major 'appointment' they made...

@ RabbitIsland

First, welcome - and second, I appreciated your quick response to ultimaThule's constructive correction to your blog article.

There is much written about Clarence Mitchell on here, and perhaps I could just make these quick points:

1. The McCanns did NOT appoint Clarence Mitchell

2. In answer to a specific Freedom of Information Act request, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office disclosed that Clarence Mitchell was actually first deployed on the McCann case on Sunday 6 May i.e. WITHIN 72 HOURS of Madeleine being reported missing

3. Gerry McCann first met Clarence Mitchell (they both say) when Gerry went to England for a weekend (Sunday 20 to Tuesday 22 May). That was the weekend he allegedly provided Madeleine's DNA to the police, an astonishing development because it followed from the fact that NOT A TRACE of Madeleine's DNA could be found in the McCanns' apartment or on her clothes - amazing.

4. Take a look at Clarence Mitchell's career path and then join the dots:

2005 was working for the BBC - reported major murder cases - then went straight into the civil service as Director of the COI Media Monitoring Unit (worked for LABOUR PARTY)
2007 Madeleine McCann spokesman
2008 P/time for the McCanns, p/time PR bloke with Freud International, run by Murdoch's son-in-law
2010 Appointed by David Cameron and former NOTW editor and Murdoch man, Andy Coulson, as Cameron's Deputy Director of Communications (worked for CONSERVATIVE PARTY)
2009 onwards - other top PR jobs

This is a man who swims easily in the same pool as the top members of our political and media establishments

by **PeterMac** 10.01.15 13:22

Tony Bennett wrote:
3. Gerry McCann first met Clarence Mitchell (they both say) when Gerry went to England for a weekend (Sunday 20 to Tuesday 22 May). That was the weekend he allegedly provided Madeleine's DNA to the police, an astonishing development because it followed from the fact that NOT A TRACE of Madeleine's DNA could be found in the McCanns' apartment or on her clothes - amazing.

And on their joint return to PdL Mitchell's first action was to release the Last Photo to the AFP, who released it to the world on 24th, so they obviously had it on 23rd.
Complete with what may turn out to be Mitchell's first and devastating lie,
about the time being wrong because they had not re-set the clock within the camera . . . (Who cares - it was "lunchtime" !)
Whether Gerry and Mitchell had the Photo with them on their return, or whether yet another person who arrived in PdL on the same day brought it, history does not YET record.

by RabbitIsland 10.01.15 13:36

Tony Bennett wrote:
RabbitIsland wrote:Quick question - does anyone know for certain who the 'mutual friend' or 'link' between Mitchell and the McCanns is? Interesting that he was the first major 'appointment' they made...
@ RabbitIsland

First, welcome - and second, I appreciated your quick response to ultimaThule's constructive correction to your blog article.

Thankyou - and Ultima made some good points of clarification. Of course I know Amaral wasn't actually 'sacked' and there were a couple of other things that could have been taken the wrong way. If I've fallen for a mainstream media sleight of hand on the de Menezes thing, in thinking at least for a few seconds he tried to 'get away' from the police then no excuses.

I'll respectfully disagree with Ultima (and others) that what is going on now is a 'joint effort' between SY and the PJ. It feels awfully like the British hijacking of a foreign case to me and I won't be alone in thinking that.

There is much written about Clarence Mitchell on here, and perhaps I could just make these quick points:

1. The McCanns did NOT appoint Clarence Mitchell

Wow.

2. In answer to a specific Freedom of Information Act request, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office disclosed that Clarence Mitchell was actually first deployed on the McCann case on Sunday 6 May i.e. WITHIN 72 HOURS of Madeleine being reported missing

'Deployed' on the case by an arm of the state - thanks for clarifying the timeframe, was sure it was either three or four days later.

3. Gerry McCann first met Clarence Mitchell (they both say) when Gerry went to England for a weekend (Sunday 20 to Tuesday 22 May). That was the weekend he allegedly provided Madeleine's DNA to the police, an astonishing development because it followed from the fact that NOT A TRACE of Madeleine's DNA could be found in the McCanns' apartment or on her clothes - amazing.

Which begs a whole series of other questions I'll go back through these pages for answers to.

4. Take a look at Clarence Mitchell's career path and then join the dots:

2005 was working for the BBC - reported major murder cases - then went straight into the civil service as Director of the COI Media Monitoring Unit (worked for LABOUR PARTY)
2007 Madeleine McCann spokesman
2008 P/time for the McCanns, p/time PR bloke with Freud International, run by Murdoch's son-in-law
2010 Appointed by David Cameron and former NOTW editor and Murdoch man, Andy Coulson, as Cameron's Deputy Director of Communications (worked for CONSERVATIVE PARTY)
2009 onwards - other top PR jobs

This is a man who swims easily in the same pool as the top members of our political and media establishments

Indeed so - much appreciate the information. Thankyou.

by Guest 10.01.15 13:48

@PeterMac

A strange course of action to return to Portugal from the UK and then to release the alleged "last photo" not to the police or media of either country, but to the French press association, IMO.

by **PeterMac** 10.01.15 14:03

Ladyinred wrote:@PeterMac

A strange course of action to return to Portugal from the UK and then to release the alleged "last photo" not to the police or media of either country, but to the French press association, IMO.

Well quite.
So far as we can tell the Last Photo was never handed to the PJ. It is not in their files.
It was also not used the first night to make the 'poster" and so was not on the camera handed to Amy T
It was on the camera left on the dining room table overnight, and obviously retrieved the next day when there were allowed to move out properly.
From that point it becomes even more mysterious why it would not have been handed over, but it wasn't,
not even when Dr Amaral took possession of the other cameras and sent them to Hampshire - if he did.
It did not form part of that group either.
It was retained until 23rd, and then given to the world, with Mitchell's lie forever stuck to it.
Who was working on it in the meantime, changing the date, is still not ascertained to a standard of proof of "Beyond a reasonable doubt",
though it is likely that the civil standard of "balance of probabilities" was passed a long time ago.

by Liz Eagles 04.04.15 21:31

Clarence and the pulpit.

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by Liz Eagles 04.04.15 22:18

Clarence and 'my interns'.

The daffodils are out in #Patcham + so are my interns @AlexandraAnne_M @MyDesireIs_ @Glad1atus all suppting campaign

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Clarence and the leaflet drop

Leaflet war kicking off in #Patcham with ours dropping at same time as @bhlabour. Naturally mine landing on top lol

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by jeanmonroe 06.04.15 10:48

Lest we 'forget'

CM's 'connections' to JAILED CRIMINAL, ex Sun 'editor'...Andy Coulson.

And CM's 'connections' to convicted benefits cheat (who stole £51,000) Fiona Mckeown.

CM was 'hired' by the Conservative Party at the LAST general election, 2010, and 'reported' directly to Andy Coulson, who, incidentally, has to contest a charge of 'perjury', regarding 'jailed' Tommy Sheridan, later this month, in Scotland.

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The 47-year-old (Coulson) is accused of committing perjury in the 2010 trial of former MSP Tommy Sheridan.

In a hearing at the High Court in Edinburgh today, Judge Lord Burns set a date for a trial to begin on April 21.

APRIL 21st 2015,

Just 16 DAYS before the GE!

Bet Cameron will be looking forward to 'THAT'...........................NOT!

Wonder if CM will be 'acting' as Andy Coulson's 'spokesman' at or 'outside court' during his ex 'boss', AC's perjury 'trial'?

by jeanmonroe 07.04.15 16:31

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'DONATE' to pay for my £28,000pa McCanns' spokesman 'retainer', you to*sing 'TIGHTWADS"!

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by jeanmonroe 13.04.15 23:43

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Glad to see Mitchell, Cameron 'reading' THIS forum!

See my 'post' above!

Coulson PERJURY 'trial' erm 'put OFF' until AFTER the GE! (11th May 2015 instead of 21st April 2015!)

Quelle surprise?

Er, .......NON!

by plebgate 14.04.15 7:22

I am still hoping he will lose his deposit at the election. If he does - where might we see him pop up I am wondering?

COME ON CAROLINE LUCAS.

by Doug D 14.04.15 9:56

Why bother with policies and manifesto pledges when you can come up with rubbish like this?

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Still waiting for CM’s ‘killer-blow’ dirty trick which he must surely have tucked away awaiting disclosure a few days before the election.
I just can’t believe he would agree to take on a constituency which he has no chance of winning, unless he really believes he has a chance of turning it around somehow and that can seemingly only happen with some type of ‘pink magic’.

by sar 14.04.15 10:31

jeanmonroe wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Glad to see Mitchell, Cameron 'reading' THIS forum!

See my 'post' above!

Coulson PERJURY 'trial' erm 'put OFF' until AFTER the GE! (11th May 2015 instead of 21st April 2015!)

Quelle surprise?

Er, .......NON!

Stage management of the highest order JM, like the report into Savile, etc etc kicked firmly into the long grass till after the election!