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Post by russiandoll 26.04.12 9:19


The brief then truly was investigate "as if the abduction occurred in the uk" - parents to be seen as victims and not suspect and keep them in the loop. Maybe that is why the programme was brought forward and a statement put out by sy - so the bewk can now go out in time for the anniversary and the court cases can go ahead with no suspicion against the parents because sy say so.

very corrupt then. AR is answerable to his superiors in the chain of command and has to follow policy which includes those close to missing child being considered suspects if doubt abduction happened. They are eliminated quickly if investigations how they are in the clear. If SY are ignoring evidence which casts doubt on the reported abduction, they are a disgrace. Corruption over money is bad enough.......but this? It has to go straight to the top.

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Post by Pershing36 26.04.12 9:20

The papers are full this morning.

I personally can't believe they are quoting 'SY thinks she is alive and living with abductor'. Obviously everyone hopes she is alive and well but realistically how likely is this?

Is it really a pattern of these kind of crimes that abductors just whisk them off for a new life somewhere? Especially with all the publicisty at the time.

I did not watch the programme, I had no intention of doing so.
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Post by russiandoll 26.04.12 9:40

Pershing36 wrote:The papers are full this morning.

I personally can't believe they are quoting 'SY thinks she is alive and living with abductor'. Obviously everyone hopes she is alive and well but realistically how likely is this?

Is it really a pattern of these kind of crimes that abductors just whisk them off for a new life somewhere? Especially with all the publicisty at the time.


I did not watch the programme, I had no intention of doing so.

No is the answer to that q I think.
Even less likely that the police would advertise this internationally if they beleived it to be the case.
Never mind trying to discover what has happened to the most famous missing child in the world: I know customs police whose procedures are to swoop when culprits off guard, everything done on total qt behind scenes...to grab a huge drug haul and nick the offenders. And this is a vulnerable minor.
The recent famous cases where young women were found after a long time missing......I recall hearing zilch from police until after their recovery.
Now why when this child is so well known and so easily identifiable [ the right eye mark is in the latest photo] would the police say she could be with her abductor? Policy is loud and clear the safety of the child dictates all police decisions.
So I can only infer
the police know exactly where she is and are certain she is safe.
the police do not fear for her safety because there is next to no chance that she is alive and can come to harm as a result of their public statements.
then they are not being transparent with what they are doing.
not playing games. employing tactics, a strategy, with a goal in mind.
the police are considering tracing all holidaymakers at that time acc to one newspaper ; if true, asking a lot from their memories and it has to include the McCanns and friends, surely...not every holidaymaker but them?
then there is that comment about the KEY issue of analysing lots of phone traffic.
AR saying Madeleine McCann is at the HEART of everything we do.
He will have to be held to that statement . made for all the world to hear, if it looks even slightly like the TRUTH [ again used by him ] about what happened to a little girl is sacrificed to protect someone [ an adult/'adults... that wont be the McCanns then, as they are non -entities in the bigger picture imo] who for all this to be covered up would have to be a very important person indeed needing that level of secrecy.


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Post by rainbow-fairy 26.04.12 9:49

russiandoll wrote:
The brief then truly was investigate "as if the abduction occurred in the uk" - parents to be seen as victims and not suspect and keep them in the loop. Maybe that is why the programme was brought forward and a statement put out by sy - so the bewk can now go out in time for the anniversary and the court cases can go ahead with no suspicion against the parents because sy say so.

very corrupt then. AR is answerable to his superiors in the chain of command and has to follow policy which includes those close to missing child being considered suspects if doubt abduction happened. They are eliminated quickly if investigations how they are in the clear. If SY are ignoring evidence which casts doubt on the reported abduction, they are a disgrace. Corruption over money is bad enough.......but this? It has to go straight to the top.

Hi, just a quick point ~ 'as if the abduction happened in the UK' would mean that automatically, the very first people to be looked closely at, would be the last person to see the child alive (in this case, allegedly Gerry and his 'proud father' moment) then the rest of the family SO I don't necessarily think that is a bad thing.

Also

'Closure for the McCanns' ~ this is being interpreted in the 'American' way - 'closure' meaning answers, then acceptance.
Could it be though, that in this case, 'closure for the Mccanns' could actually mean putting a stop to it all? Closing the shop down - literally?
Its just a thought. Obviously, they cannot be too explicit in what they are saying at this stage...

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Post by russiandoll 26.04.12 9:50

Ribisl wrote:
tigger wrote:
ribisl, I just changed the number. (250.000 was what I expected for a reading rate of 20 per day by all 35.) Even so, the lower number for 40.000 should be easily achieved by just 10 'readers' over a year. Slow readers at that.

Not only reading but translating, cross-referencing, filing reports, reinterviewing witnesses, consulting the PJ, talking to PIs, liaising with the MCs...


it was stated they had a liaison officer assigned?

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Post by russiandoll 26.04.12 10:00

look at 8.59 on panorama video..........the prog at least as well as showing the isolation of the apartment block in relation to its surroundings, showed that awful drop from the balcony to the ground. Where she was left to her fate.
Left alone there with access to the outside via a patio door and that drop? How the heck can neglect not be an issue here?
[ I dont believe Maddie was left alone when or where she could come to harm btw]

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Post by Liz Eagles 26.04.12 10:26

I think this programme is also about timing. I've just read an article in today's DM 'Maddie could be alive' then scrolled down to the comments section. Lots and lots of pro comments. The Mc's will no doubt be parking their bottoms on the seats of daytime telly soon to promote the paperback. Perfect timing. No doubt the likes of LK will probably give the Panorama prog a mention. Then there will be the opportunity to say how grateful they are for the enquiry and maybe give a subliminal thanks to Cameron and SY. There is also the issue of the Leveson enquiry, Murdoch(s), Hunt, Cameron, Brown. Perhaps the Mcs will be asked about their ordeal at the hands of the nasty media. That can't be bad for public opinion re NI - who knows it might just take the heat off public opinion of government ministers. Then there are the libel trials - can't be a bad thing for the public to know that nasty people 'hindered the investigation'. It all comes down to money/spin.

As for the Panorama programme itself I have no words. It proved nothing. It didn't say much. It was uninformative and unnecessary. The photography was poor. The content was edited to show the Portuguese police as inept. It didn't mention finding Madeleine much. What the hell 'bringing closure to her family' meant I have no idea. Bilton - 'so many questions' yes there are I agree. Why didn't he ask them then? If they were not answered that shows the programme was pointless in the first place.

Of course all the above is my most humble opinion.

One thing I would like to add, I watched the programme with a relative who knows very little about the case other than what is published in the media. On the videos of Madeleine she asked me to pause the programme and asked 'is Madeleine ill?'
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Post by rainbow-fairy 26.04.12 10:32

Is it my imagination or do we have Advocatus back as 'NoFuleMe'? The style of righting is very similar!

Trying to be balanced in my analysis of this propaganda programme.
I actually did swear at the TV at one point - I believe my words were "How f**king dare you?!?" when Amaral was asked I'd he felt comfortable making money from a missing child! So its ok for the parents, who were suspects in an investigation they allowed themselves by default to be shelved, to sell good quality wristbands, t shirts, posters and holiday packs? Con the public by stating 'all royalties from the book go to the Fund' (no mention or trace of the advance!). With the donations they received, they should, if they were serious about finding Maddie not making $, GIVE the packs and posters away FOR FREE!

However. I did actually think the programme was a lot LESS 'pro McCann' than I feared.
Some big bombs were dropped.

The dog alerts (yes, they SHOULD have stated Eddie was an EVRD dog that alerted to cadaver odour only, but...)
The interim report.
The fact the Portuguese are not changing their stance - death and concealment occurred.
Nowhere in the actual PROGRAMME did Redwood say 'I believe she is alive'
It was emphasised that Portugal only can re-open case and keep primacy.
Bilton, fwiw, I don't think looked like he believed a word of it, and some of his wording was ambiguous to say the very least.


Let's just for a second think about this. If the objective is to nail you-know-who once and for all, they are hardly going to appear on TV and say so, are they? That would be showing your hand. One doesn't do that.
Could there be a lulling into a sense of security for some? As, I believe russiandoll stated about customs, they swoop unexpectedly.

IF SY say 'Maddie is dead' the media frenzy would start anew. The words 'impossible to get a fair trial' would be bandied.
I don't know, I don't think all is lost, it could be a 'let's not frighten the horses' approach until they go in for the kill.
They are going to need concrete, watertight evidence to gain a conviction. This could be what is taking so long.
Yes, this is optimism speaking!

Pessimistically, cynically or realistically, the BBC is there for government propaganda, not 'truth' - always has been.
Google Dunblane, Gordon Brown, you'll get the idea - I have always believed p*********a to be at the heart of this.
Just a seed of an idea; We know there were connections with GB/his brother and some of the T9.
It is strongly suspected that the Dunblane children were, to be blunt, executed as they were beginning to 'talk' about a prominent person.
MBM was only a few months away from starting school. Were they afraid she would talk - or had she started to already?
Granted, not a nice thing to think about BUT there ARE 'dark forces' at work in the UK, and there is SOMETHING so big, so rank, so dire at the blackened heart of it that £m's are being thrown at this when we are supposedly in dire economic straits!
Strange indeed.
I hope my optimistic side wins out on this one. My heart breaks for that little girl and the disgusting way her memory is being soiled over, and over and over again. Sad

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Post by maebee 26.04.12 10:36

I am beginning to think (hope) that last night's McCannorama was a set up/good cop job and that the Mcs and Taps are being lulled into a false sense of security. I can think of no other reason for the obvious latest Mc love-in. It was so ridiculously pro Mc that it really makes me think that SY are playing a very clever game. I know most won't agree with me but I need this belief.
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Post by david_uk 26.04.12 10:40

russiandoll wrote: look at 8.59 on panorama video..........the prog at least as well as showing the isolation of the apartment block in relation to its surroundings, showed that awful drop from the balcony to the ground. Where she was left to her fate.
Left alone there with access to the outside via a patio door and that drop? How the heck can neglect not be an issue here?
[ I dont believe Maddie was left alone when or where she could come to harm btw]



I gave a theory years ago that Maddie fell from there into the flowerbed and was found and taken back into apartment!

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Post by Spaniel 26.04.12 10:43

"Dogs detecting DNA" had so obviously been through a lawyer's washing machine.
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Post by tuom 26.04.12 10:45

david_uk wrote:
russiandoll wrote: look at 8.59 on panorama video..........the prog at least as well as showing the isolation of the apartment block in relation to its surroundings, showed that awful drop from the balcony to the ground. Where she was left to her fate.
Left alone there with access to the outside via a patio door and that drop? How the heck can neglect not be an issue here?
[ I dont believe Maddie was left alone when or where she could come to harm btw]



I gave a theory years ago that Maddie fell from there into the flowerbed and was found and taken back into apartment!



I had thought about that also , especially as the dogs picked up a scent from there, that would fit in with a child waking , being frightened and leaving the apartment to find her parents , the patio door was unlocked , I must look for some more information into the handle of the patio door .

Could MMC have reached it ? and had a tragic accident on the steps ? it also still baffles me that the MC's seemed to dismiss this outright when as parents we all know that these things can happen
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Post by Lady-Heather 26.04.12 11:06

maebee wrote:I am beginning to think (hope) that last night's McCannorama was a set up/good cop job and that the Mcs and Taps are being lulled into a false sense of security. I can think of no other reason for the obvious latest Mc love-in. It was so ridiculously pro Mc that it really makes me think that SY are playing a very clever game. I know most won't agree with me but I need this belief.

I agree with you. I believe that a game is being played here, but SY are just watching, not participating. The BBC made this programme for entertainment purposes, so imagine the headlines if (when?) the McScam is exposed. The scandal, 'we were had', can't believe it etc etc. It's genius and the stuff of crime novels. Money to be made, newspapers and books flying off the shelves, stories to be sold. Everyone's a winner, except the perpetrators. All IMHO.
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Post by Liz Eagles 26.04.12 11:12

If this is off topic please remove. The following is a reader's comment on DM's article (link below) re Maddie Could Be Alive. My heart sank when I saw this little gem of a comment.

A few days after Maddie vanished I was in the pub with some friends and one of them suggested all children should be 'micro-chipped' with some sort of tracking device which could then be removed upon becoming an adult (to protect privacy and freedom etc). We all thought his idea was crazy, if not inhumane, and had a good laugh at the idea despite him describing how such devices exist and could easily be adapted to be put into children. I hadn't given that conversation any thought again until reading today's news on Maddie and (call me crazy!) I'm actually starting to wonder if it wouldn't be so bad after all? Even something to put into kids clothes/shoes would be better than nothing wouldn't it? We track cars, are they worth more than our kids? Maybe I'm just dreaming, maybe just frustration at stories like this but surely there's got to be more we can do to prevent this from happening?

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maebee wrote:I am beginning to think (hope) that last night's McCannorama was a set up/good cop job and that the Mcs and Taps are being lulled into a false sense of security. I can think of no other reason for the obvious latest Mc love-in. It was so ridiculously pro Mc that it really makes me think that SY are playing a very clever game. I know most won't agree with me but I need this belief.

I agree with you. I believe that a game is being played here, but SY are just watching, not participating. The BBC made this programme for entertainment purposes, so imagine the headlines if (when?) the McScam is exposed. The scandal, 'we were had', can't believe it etc etc. It's genius and the stuff of crime novels. Money to be made, newspapers and books flying off the shelves, stories to be sold. Everyone's a winner, except the perpetrators. All IMHO.

I thought that originally when we had the first articles etc. But DCI Redwood has rather nailed his colours to the mast by saying in interviews on video that he believes MM could be alive and taken by an abductor. Don't think he would be saying such things if the case was not going in that direction, after all if they then come to another conclusion or are actually looking at other scenarios, he is going to look pretty stupid after all the things he has said in the last few days. Just my opinion.
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Post by aiyoyo 26.04.12 11:16

Pershing36 wrote:The papers are full this morning.

I personally can't believe they are quoting 'SY thinks she is alive and living with abductor'. Obviously everyone hopes she is alive and well but realistically how likely is this?

Is it really a pattern of these kind of crimes that abductors just whisk them off for a new life somewhere? Especially with all the publicisty at the time.

I did not watch the programme, I had no intention of doing so.

She wasn't taken by a granny. The predator must have killed her literally hours later after he got her, because she's a hot potato being the most famous missing child bearing such a distinctive mark. She's dead.
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Post by Jill Havern 26.04.12 11:25

aiyoyo wrote:
Pershing36 wrote:The papers are full this morning.

I personally can't believe they are quoting 'SY thinks she is alive and living with abductor'. Obviously everyone hopes she is alive and well but realistically how likely is this?

Is it really a pattern of these kind of crimes that abductors just whisk them off for a new life somewhere? Especially with all the publicisty at the time.

I did not watch the programme, I had no intention of doing so.

She wasn't taken by a granny. The predator must have killed her literally hours later after he got her, because she's a hot potato being the most famous missing child bearing such a distinctive mark. She's dead.

According to Eddie and Keela the predator must have killed Maddie in the apartment first before abducting her.

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candyfloss wrote:I thought that originally when we had the first articles etc. But DCI Redwood has rather nailed his colours to the mast by saying in interviews on video that he believes MM could be alive and taken by an abductor. Don't think he would be saying such things if the case was not going in that direction, after all if they then come to another conclusion or are actually looking at other scenarios, he is going to look pretty stupid after all the things he has said in the last few days. Just my opinion.

I think I need to see if I can find a transcript of what AR actually said last night. I couldn't bring myself to watch it (self-preservation) so can't really come to conclusions without knowing the facts. I cannot conceivably believe that any police officer can sanely come to that conclusion (stranger abduction, parents not involved) after reviewing the witness statements, the evidence and the Portuguese investigation & research. Perhaps I'm deluded, but I can't believe it. I think something else is going on, a waiting game maybe. Time will tell, I hope.
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I'm wondering how those in Portugal must be feeling today...I wonder if Joana Morais will post anything on her blog? She must be fuming and I doubt Goncalo and Sandra F feel great either.

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candyfloss wrote:I thought that originally when we had the first articles etc. But DCI Redwood has rather nailed his colours to the mast by saying in interviews on video that he believes MM could be alive and taken by an abductor. Don't think he would be saying such things if the case was not going in that direction, after all if they then come to another conclusion or are actually looking at other scenarios, he is going to look pretty stupid after all the things he has said in the last few days. Just my opinion.

I think I need to see if I can find a transcript of what AR actually said last night. I couldn't bring myself to watch it (self-preservation) so can't really come to conclusions without knowing the facts. I cannot conceivably believe that any police officer can sanely come to that conclusion (stranger abduction, parents not involved) after reviewing the witness statements, the evidence and the Portuguese investigation & research. Perhaps I'm deluded, but I can't believe it. I think something else is going on, a waiting game maybe. Time will tell, I hope.

Not just last night, the ITV interview on the other Panorama thread. Plus all the quotes from him in the Guardian, Independant, and Liverpool Echo IIRC.
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Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:I'm wondering how those in Portugal must be feeling today...I wonder if Joana Morais will post anything on her blog? She must be fuming and I doubt Goncalo and Sandra F feel great either.

I don't get it. The case is shelved now, no secrecy, so why can't some high ranking PJ person, come out and give a full and honest interview, of how they handled the case, all the work they did, and the conclusions they came to. Why are they allowing themselves to be shown as a bunch of incompetents. Too right they will be fuming. They need to get their side out there, but they never, ever seem to say anything.
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Post by rainbow-fairy 26.04.12 11:40

aquila wrote:If this is off topic please remove. The following is a reader's comment on DM's article (link below) re Maddie Could Be Alive. My heart sank when I saw this little gem of a comment.

A few days after Maddie vanished I was in the pub with some friends and one of them suggested all children should be 'micro-chipped' with some sort of tracking device which could then be removed upon becoming an adult (to protect privacy and freedom etc). We all thought his idea was crazy, if not inhumane, and had a good laugh at the idea despite him describing how such devices exist and could easily be adapted to be put into children. I hadn't given that conversation any thought again until reading today's news on Maddie and (call me crazy!) I'm actually starting to wonder if it wouldn't be so bad after all? Even something to put into kids clothes/shoes would be better than nothing wouldn't it? We track cars, are they worth more than our kids? Maybe I'm just dreaming, maybe just frustration at stories like this but surely there's got to be more we can do to prevent this from happening?

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My heart has sunk too aquila. As a country, the sheeples are sleepwalking into disaster. I can't believe ANYONE would think this a good idea.
It is already compulsory for all horses born since 09, they bow bringing it in for all dogs. Human babies next!

I got an insurance quote online the other day. One of the questions was "Would you be willing to have your driving monitored by an electric box to lower your premium?' I ticked 'no' Had it been a person rather than a 'puter I wouldve said 'emphatically no!'
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Post by Miraflores 26.04.12 12:10

This would be sold as a 'good thing' and no doubt some parents would fall for it. It would only be any use if a child wandered off and got lost, which the McCanns are adamant that Madeleine didn't do, so would have been no use in her case. I can't see how it would deter a paedophile - the first thing they would do is check for a chip and remove it!
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David Cameron was 'pressured into new Madeleine McCann inquiry by News International'


The Prime Minister came under pressure from News International to set up the new inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, according to this evening’s BBC Panorama programme - ‘Madeleine: The Last Hope?’






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The Home Office has declined to explain why they chose to look again at the unsolved case above any other but a source at Number 10 has said that David Cameron “acted as a sympathetic parent.”


In 2011 The Sun printed an open letter on their front page from The McCanns to Mr Cameron, appealing to him as a parent to agree to a review.


But tonight Panorama will claim there was also much more going on behind the scenes to try to influence the Prime Minister.


Downing Street sources have revealed to the programme that influence was being exerted on Number 10 by News International and by The Sun newspaper, as well as by the McCanns.


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Within 24 hours of the front page appeal Mr Cameron announced a review could be paid for out of a contingency fund run by the Home Office, reserved for special cases.

The review is already understood to have cost £2 million but the detective in charge is publicly optimistic.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood believes his team has the best chance yet of finding out what happened to Madeleine.

He tells Panorama tonight: “As a detective, it is a huge privilege to have an opportunity to work on this case. Both my team and I feel that.”

BBC Panorama – Madeleine: The Last Hope? will be shown tonight at 7.30pm on BBC One.

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Post by Lady-Heather 26.04.12 12:19

rainbow-fairy wrote:
My heart has sunk too aquila. As a country, the sheeples are sleepwalking into disaster. I can't believe ANYONE would think this a good idea.
It is already compulsory for all horses born since 09, they bow bringing it in for all dogs. Human babies next!

I got an insurance quote online the other day. One of the questions was "Would you be willing to have your driving monitored by an electric box to lower your premium?' I ticked 'no' Had it been a person rather than a 'puter I wouldve said 'emphatically no!'
Big brother, Orwell, its all coming together...

If you have a smartphone (iphone, android, windows phone etc) then this is already a reality. Your location and whereabouts are already tracked and your provider already knows more about where you are/where you've been than your spouse or family. Same with your internet activity, unless you take measures, every site you visit, frequency of visits, even your location are discoverable.

Sorry for wandering OT.
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Post by monkey mind 26.04.12 12:23

There is no doubt that this program was specifically designed to support the official line, ergo the McCann line and at the same time trash the PJ, who incidentally did a comprehensive job of investigation in my experience.

99% of people do not question what they hear on tv or read in the tabloids. The people who commissioned this program bank on that fact and care little about a few dissenters. The 99% will not read between the tightly spaced lines or embark on a project of research. Silly old PJ, poor old McCanns, what's on now?

It was such an obvious hatchet job that I have to seriously question the sanity of anyone who can see 'good' in it, they are either kidding themselves through blind optimism or worse, trying to kid others.

Worse still, one of it's central themes was that Maddie is still alive thereby extending the life of the money making machine/fund. Of course we'd all like her to be alive, but let's face it, there is no evidence to that effect, none at all. There is however, reasonable evidence from which we can infer the opposite. The McCanns allegedly want closure, the program wants closure, we all want closure but keep the £££ rolling in particularly when the latest edition of the book describing closure is released..

If any reasonable person, with half an open mind, sat down and devoted some time to reviewing the evidence objectively with a view to finding the truth, or coming close to it, they would come to a decision very similar though not necessarily identical, nonetheless very similar to the Portuguese police. Yet 37 allegedly esperienced detectives somehow seem to surface on the other side of the globe and break silence to take part in a program which, unable to trash the evidence if treated honestly, ignores it and resorts once again to trashing the personalities responsible for gathering that evidence.

It truly is a sad, sad day for British policing when it has so clearly been stripped of all integrity and its officers will sell their souls because they have become worthless.

It's a hatchet job. No mistake. A whitewash. For those interested in finding the truth as to what happened to this child, alarm bells should be ringing loud and clear. For the architects of this sorry drama, business as usual.....
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monkey mind wrote:There is no doubt that this program was specifically designed to support the official line, ergo the McCann line and at the same time trash the PJ, who incidentally did a comprehensive job of investigation in my experience.

99% of people do not question what they hear on tv or read in the tabloids. The people who commissioned this program bank on that fact and care little about a few dissenters. The 99% will not read between the tightly spaced lines or embark on a project of research. Silly old PJ, poor old McCanns, what's on now?

It was such an obvious hatchet job that I have to seriously question the sanity of anyone who can see 'good' in it, they are either kidding themselves through blind optimism or worse, trying to kid others.

Worse still, one of it's central themes was that Maddie is still alive thereby extending the life of the money making machine/fund. Of course we'd all like her to be alive, but let's face it, there is no evidence to that effect, none at all. There is however, reasonable evidence from which we can infer the opposite. The McCanns allegedly want closure, the program wants closure, we all want closure but keep the £££ rolling in particularly when the latest edition of the book describing closure is released..

If any reasonable person, with half an open mind, sat down and devoted some time to reviewing the evidence objectively with a view to finding the truth, or coming close to it, they would come to a decision very similar though not necessarily identical, nonetheless very similar to the Portuguese police. Yet 37 allegedly esperienced detectives somehow seem to surface on the other side of the globe and break silence to take part in a program which, unable to trash the evidence if treated honestly, ignores it and resorts once again to trashing the personalities responsible for gathering that evidence.

It truly is a sad, sad day for British policing when it has so clearly been stripped of all integrity and its officers will sell their souls because they have become worthless.

It's a hatchet job. No mistake. A whitewash. For those interested in finding the truth as to what happened to this child, alarm bells should be ringing loud and clear. For the architects of this sorry drama, business as usual.....

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Good post monkey mind.
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From Joana Morais

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Followed by this note.............



Note that none of the recent futile and costly exercises paid by the Portuguese and English tax-payers or the previous costs supported by the public in the past four years would be needed if the McCann couple truly wished to see the process reopened by the Portuguese Public Ministry - that is the only authority that can decide if there is sufficient evidence to reopen an archived case - so the criminal police, the Portuguese Judiciary Police, can carry on with the investigation to Madeleine's disappearance.
The McCann couple or any of their 'Tapas' friends could have (and still can), since the process was archived in July 2008 pending better evidence, provide new data or information that would oblige the Public Ministry prosecutors to reopen Madeleine's process. They could, for example, re-enact the night of May 3, 2007 as requested by the Portuguese Police or one of the former arguidos could answer those 50 police questions officially, instead of re-writing a book defaming certain officers of that same police force and the Portuguese people.
It should also be recalled that this is not the first time that English authorities, specifically Scotland Yard, have cooperated in this case. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] as well as other international police authorities worked in [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] with the Portuguese Judiciary Police in the initial investigations in 2007/2008, despite the several [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], and have apparently reached [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]. In fact, and according to the former British Ambassador in Portugal, Alexander Ellis, it was the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].
As to the former Home Secretary Alan Johnson blurbs on the police's work and the alleged role of MEP Ana Gomes as a 'producer' for Panorama, well, their actions speak for themselves. We all know that it was political interference and an unparalleled media circus (prompted in great part by the McCann couple PR's, like Clarence Mitchell) that 'killed' the initial investigation, perhaps politicians should refrain from making further factious or xenophobic comments and allow cops to do their job... At least when (and if) the case reopens.

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Thursday, April 26th 2012

No Reason to Reopen McCann Case: Portugal


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Portuguese authorities have no new evidence that would give them cause to reopen an inquiry into the disappearance in 2007 of the British youngster Madeleine McCann, police said Thursday.

“There are no new elements at the moment that would allow for the reopening of the inquiry,” Pedro do Carmo, the deputy head of the criminal police department, said.

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Hmmm, they have spoken to them today, and it looks as if they will not re-open. So that begs the question, they obviously aren't making too much of SY pronouncements, and their 198 new leads
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