Joana Site - video of Psychics in PDL

by Guest 14.02.12 15:40

This was shown last week on Portuguese TV and on Joana's site. Some in Portuguese which Joana is translating and will be up later - an interview with Moita Flores but another part in English with 2 physics..............

Maddie McCann case: English Psychics say she died in Praia da Luz

14 February 2012 | Posted by Joana Morais

Though I'm very sceptic about psychics, I thought this blog readers might found this talk show, broadcast by SIC, last Saturday night at prime time, an interesting show. Translation of the Portuguese bits to follow - video on link below.................

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/02/maddie-mccann-case-english-psychics-say.html?utm_source=BP_recent

ETA The English bit at around 13 mins into video.

by Guest 14.02.12 15:49

If Joana is translating it, perhaps she was quite impressed by what they had to say. Joana Site - video of Psychics in PDL 110921

I can't wait to hear all about it.

by Guest 14.02.12 15:52

Stella wrote:If Joana is translating it, perhaps she was quite impressed by what they had to say.

I can't wait to hear all about it.

Stella, the Psychics bit at around 13 minutes is in English. They are in the Ocean Club, and various locations including the beach, a golf course which they think is significant, and high up on the hill overlooking PDL, which is where they say the trail ends.

by Guest 14.02.12 16:11

I've never heard of either of those guys and all of the information they talked about is freely available. They gave nothing 'new' so to speak.

The only possible interesting bit is this,

Simon: “The perpetrator was not Portuguese, not one of the locals here”.

by Spaniel 14.02.12 16:24

The photo of Madeleine and another girl hand in hand running toward the camera, have we seen that before?

As for the Pychics? If that's all it takes, I'm one from now on.

by Woofer 14.02.12 17:22

These guys are Canadian. If they were frauds, yes, they could have got information on line, but has the press reporting been as extreme in Canada?

I found the bit about the tragedy maybe happening while in a play area/nursery while she was enjoying herself quite interesting.

by **tigger** 14.02.12 17:33

So long after the event, I don't think this has much value. Very useful to have it aired though, makes people think.
Nearly five years after the event, I'd think 5a must have lost any vibes there might have been.

The only interesting thing for me was the golf course being a strong 'vibe'. I've always found it strange that an avid golfer like Gerry didn't take his clubs along as he'd already been there once or twice on golfing weekends. There are quite a few golf courses in easy reach of PdL.
Now I may be wrong, but I once read somewhere that BK owns or part owns a golf course in that area.

by Invinoveritas 14.02.12 17:51

oops, shouldn't this thread be called Psychics and not Physics?

by Guest 14.02.12 18:12

Invinoveritas wrote:oops, shouldn't this thread be called Psychics and not Physics?

Thanks Invinoveritas, thumbsup

my mistake.

Friedrich Nietzsche · by Daisy 14.02.12 18:40

Spaniel wrote:The photo of Madeleine and another girl hand in hand running toward the camera, have we seen that before?

As for the Pychics? If that's all it takes, I'm one from now on.

Yes, I noted that photo. It's not one I remember seeing before.

Friedrich Nietzsche · by Daisy 14.02.12 18:49

The photograph is shown at 1.58. It looks like Madeleine with the Payne's eldest daughter?

by C.Edwards 14.02.12 18:50

You do realise there is no such thing as psychics, don't you? If any of you want to claim otherwise, please point the lucky person over the James Randi foundation where they can claim a million dollars for their talents.

I realise this may upset some of you that "believe" but it really defies logic that people can have any kind of belief in this kind of thing in this day and age.

by Spaniel 14.02.12 19:05

Woofer wrote:These guys are Canadian. If they were frauds, yes, they could have got information on line, but has the press reporting been as extreme in Canada?

I found the bit about the tragedy maybe happening while in a play area/nursery while she was enjoying herself quite interesting.

The World Wide Web is just that, whether covered by the press or not. No doubt they researched the case beforehand.

Pychics aren't always frauds, just delusional, depends whether they charge or not. No I correct myself, even those who don't charge may be attention seekers.

No accident, whether in the kid's club, (and that question was so contrived,) or anywhere else, could possibly merit what followed for almost five years since.

I take it that they were suggesting MW may have been to blame through negligence? No way. The McCanns would have sued their socks off. Unless there was a trade off?

"They have taken her." GM "Roaring like a bull." Her wrecking beds, him throwing himself on the floor, "it's a disaster", all tells me some plan went very badly wrong.

I may be mistaken, but wouldn't one feel the urgent need to search and when that was exhausted beyond all reasonable hope feel utter despair?

Would one have the energy to be so furious, and why?

If it weren't for the dogs, I'd be hoping Madeleine was in Canada, Eire, wherever, taken against their will. I hope the dogs were wrong for the first time in their lives

by ShuBob 14.02.12 19:08

If these people are what they claim to be, why hasn't anyone of them been able to find Maddie? They tend to prey on the vulnerable. Perhaps, if they interviewed the McCanns, they may get somewhere........

by Guest 14.02.12 19:20

Daisy wrote:The photograph is shown at 1.58. It looks like Madeleine with the Payne's eldest daughter?

I'm having problems accessing the video but from what I could see, I agree. It's one of David Payne's photos, all of which are on this link but sadly most of them are indecipherable.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/BLACK_WHITE.htm

Number 47 is the one.

Friedrich Nietzsche · by Daisy 14.02.12 19:24

Jean wrote:
Daisy wrote:The photograph is shown at 1.58. It looks like Madeleine with the Payne's eldest daughter?

I'm having problems accessing the video but from what I could see, I agree. It's one of David Payne's photos, all of which are on this link but sadly most of them are indecipherable.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/BLACK_WHITE.htm

Number 47 is the one.

Yes that's the one. Thanks Jean

by Guest 14.02.12 20:33

Found this photo on Pamalam's site, which is on the video where the psychics went............

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obelisk and jogging hill
attempting to climb Miradoura da Atalaia near praia da luz 14/04/2007

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/P.D.L.htm

by crewman 15.02.12 0:10

tigger wrote:So long after the event, I don't think this has much value. Very useful to have it aired though, makes people think.
Nearly five years after the event, I'd think 5a must have lost any vibes there might have been.

The only interesting thing for me was the golf course being a strong 'vibe'. I've always found it strange that an avid golfer like Gerry didn't take his clubs along as he'd already been there once or twice on golfing weekends. There are quite a few golf courses in easy reach of PdL.
Now I may be wrong, but I once read somewhere that BK owns or part owns a golf course in that area.

Ah, interesting! I didn't know this.....

Obviously, it's hard to prove anything off of this nugget of info, but it just adds another layer of incongruity on-top of those many already present.

by Woofer 15.02.12 0:41

C.Edwards wrote:You do realise there is no such thing as psychics, don't you? If any of you want to claim otherwise, please point the lucky person over the James Randi foundation where they can claim a million dollars for their talents.

I realise this may upset some of you that "believe" but it really defies logic that people can have any kind of belief in this kind of thing in this day and age.

I find it best to keep an open mind to any `non logical` belief system, e.g. beliefs in gods or any other intangibles that defy logic - each to their own as they say.

by **tigger** 15.02.12 7:19

I'm sure there are real 'psychics' in the world. However, they invariably say that they cannot work with old cases. In fact they can only work with cases very, very soon after the event - otherwise there is simply too much information floating around to contaminate anything they 'feel'.
That makes sense to me, entering a room where two people have just had a blazing row - one can feel the atmosphere, but a week later when lots of people have been in the same room, talked about the row with each other, the 'feeling' would be long gone.
I don't think it's anything supernatural - more to do with energy fields we can't see.

These two psychics cannot be taken seriously, they've only repeated snippets from information that's been in the public domain for years.

by david_uk 15.02.12 9:32

C.Edwards wrote:You do realise there is no such thing as psychics, don't you? If any of you want to claim otherwise, please point the lucky person over the James Randi foundation where they can claim a million dollars for their talents.

I realise this may upset some of you that "believe" but it really defies logic that people can have any kind of belief in this kind of thing in this day and age.

Couldnt agree more!. I think threads about Psychics undermine what most people are here for! and kind of make us look nuts!

Would be like having a thread on Pixies or the tooth fairy!.

by Guest 15.02.12 9:40

david_uk wrote:
C.Edwards wrote:You do realise there is no such thing as psychics, don't you? If any of you want to claim otherwise, please point the lucky person over the James Randi foundation where they can claim a million dollars for their talents.

I realise this may upset some of you that "believe" but it really defies logic that people can have any kind of belief in this kind of thing in this day and age.

Couldn't agree more!. I think threads about Psychics undermine what most people are here for! and kind of make us look nuts!

Would be like having a thread on Pixies or the tooth fairy!.

I personally don't believe in them, but they are used in many cases by law enforcement people. I have watched programmes where the police think they have been invaluable to solving a crime, and quite openly praise them.

by Guest 15.02.12 10:26

I am very sceptical on the activities of psychics but don't want to state dogmatically that they are all charlatans. When it comes to sprouting nonsense on a level with pixies and tooth fairies, there is nobody more accomplished than the McCanns themselves!

Speaking generally, some people find comfort in psychics and, providing that they aren't being charged a fortune, I don't see that there's any harm being done.

by nomendelta 15.02.12 10:54

C.Edwards wrote:You do realise there is no such thing as psychics, don't you? If any of you want to claim otherwise, please point the lucky person over the James Randi foundation where they can claim a million dollars for their talents.

I realise this may upset some of you that "believe" but it really defies logic that people can have any kind of belief in this kind of thing in this day and age.

Ah the old standby of the skeptic - the million dollar prize. Randi is quite an interesting character and I understand his partner is undergoing investigation for fraud.

Truth is that the prize money is pretty safe - the contract allows them to test to their satisfaction any psychic claimant. That basically means that any claimant who produces a significant enough result will be tested and retested until they fail.

That is of course provided a claimant gets as far as that and the foundation haven't harrassed the claimant to the point where they just walk away.

Regardless of what is right and wrong, this test is NOT something anyone rational can use as proof that something does not exist. Check out work by Dean Radin for some interesting research about psychics.

by **HiDeHo** 15.02.12 12:10

It's not for me to claim whether psychics are for real. Some may be real, some are frauds, some believe in themselves but are not necessarily correct.

Regarding this video...Why were they giving a 'reading' from an apartment that Madeleine did not stay in?

Maybe it was explained in the Portuguese portion.

They gave information that any one of us could have come up with. My opinion is that even if there is such a thing as a 'real' psychic it sure wasn't these two. (nice location shots though!)

For what its worth...

The Police and Psychics.

What the police have to say on their use of psychics.

UK-Skeptics © 2006.

We've all heard the claims and seen reports in the media of psychics helping the police. The impression given is that the police call in psychics - i.e. that they make systematic use of psychics in their investigations. ...(.cont in 'Spoiler)

Spoiler:

by **PeterMac** 15.02.12 12:17

Why would a psychic need the Million dollar prize anyway ? They can just do the lottery or the football pools.

by Guest 15.02.12 12:24

The best psychic mediums in this world, of which I'm sure there are very few, would work behind the scenes quietly with the Police forces, for their own protection. They don't shout from the roof tops and bring unwanted attention to themselves.

by aiyoyo 15.02.12 15:57

PeterMac wrote:Why would a psychic need the Million dollar prize anyway ? They can just do the lottery or the football pools.

From what I understand, psychic has uncanny ability to connect to energy, and that' s not winning factor for lottery.

I don't believe all psychics have same ability but I wont discredit them totally.

Having said that, it all depends how much the two psychics know beforehand. Its still uncanny how they followed a path up a colline to come to an open sea sensing golfing area as an area passed along the way. Maybe its coincidence maybe it's bullshit, no one knows unless Police decide to follow their trail using dogs.

Without follow up investigation, they is no way to verify their readings.
I would go 50/50, and if I could ask a detective friend i would ring that friend.

by david_uk 16.02.12 11:45

I cant believe anyone is even discussing this! There is no such thing!! Joana Site - video of Psychics in PDL 181747

anyone who claims to be and it taking money of people for this service should be put in jail with any other con-man or thief!.

I feel dirty just posting here and bumping this thread!! arrrghhhhh. Sorry but it makes me mad!.

by Woofer 16.02.12 14:18

david_uk wrote:I cant believe anyone is even discussing this! There is no such thing!!

anyone who claims to be and it taking money of people for this service should be put in jail with any other con-man or thief!.

I feel dirty just posting here and bumping this thread!! arrrghhhhh. Sorry but it makes me mad!.

Aww - don`t get mad David. And if you`re going to put them in jail, you`ll have to include all the people that believe in all the other intangibles like their gods and the church organisations that make money out of them. But that would probably be a large proportion of humanity. Gonna need some very large jails.

Anyway some detectives take good psychics seriously and all to the good if it helps solve a crime. And I mean good ones as opposed to charlatans.