TAPAS 7 to be interviewed by SY Review Team - Sunday Express. Is something happening at last?

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Maive wrote:You are probably already aware of that but I follow someone on Facebook, and here is his (or her) last post:

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My thanks to Joana Morais (currently hosting Pat Brown in Lisbon) for alerting me to the following Twitter link suggesting that the New Scotland Yard review of the Madeleine McCann case may be completed within a few months. It's disappointing however to see so many negative comments on there about the honesty of the review. As a former long-serving police officer in England, I have absolute faith in the integrity of the senior SY team charged with this task. The expectation amongst many anti-abductionists that they won't get the outcome they desire is no excuse for questioning the determination of these public servants to carry out as complete a review as they can...


It gave me hope this morning!


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I know this case isn't straightforward by any stretch of one's imagination but I must say I'm disappointed with the number of naysayers in respect of the review. I still have faith and I won't beat myself up if it goes the other way. At least, my faith is keeping me going.

Sorry ShuBob, I can't help it,

It is down to how broad or narrow the parameters are for the review, rather than down to the individuals performing it.

It was the Home Office that procrastinated and refused to turn over the most basic information to the Portuguese Judiciary on the very suspicious Drs McCann back in 2007; and it was the Birmingham FSS that endlessly delayed the results of the DNA testing, and then did a jaw dropping U turn re the results. Last but not least, it is the Home Office yet again, that is now funding the review, and hence setting the parameters thereof. Forgive me but I find it all very depressing. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

Amaral should certainly prepare for the possibility that Met review will be a white-wash and will be used to discredit the PJ investigation.

Gillyspot, my post was in the context of people saying the review will be a whitewash and the McCanns will be able to rely on the findings to sue their detractors.

ShuBob wrote:Gillyspot, my post was in the context of people saying the review will be a whitewash and the McCanns will be able to rely on the findings to sue their detractors.

I am not sure if it will be a total whitewash but I am finding it hard to believe that it isn't being carried out without pre conceived ideas tbh. I have faith that some of the police involved won't want to let justice for Madeleine go begging though. I was just saying that Kate & Gerry McCann have never had to rely on "findings" to sue before so I see no reason the SY review will change anything - unless it finds evidence against them of course

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aiyoyo wrote:Just how the Yard is supposed to summarise their whitewash?
That the mccanns were not involved, and that Madeleine's disappearance remains a complete mystery?
Neither dead nor taken, so where is she? Vanished into thin air? After months of pricey review, is that the best they can come up with?

They are not allowed to say that. It is libellous !

What? If the Yard were to say that, are the mccanns going to sue them? Err...I dont think so!

The Judge's jaw is going to drop to the floor if CR should include that again in the new 25 alleged breaches.
It is a most laughable charge to include to commit someone to prison for using the word "mystery" to apply to missing Madeleine.
The newspapers and mccanns' spokesperson had used it, so why haven't the mccanns sue them, why target only TB?
If CR do not get a slap on the wrist for putting forward something so ridiculously senseless as that, expecting the Judge to deliberate on, then I will be dead surprised.

It is factual to say that historically, ever since time primordial, all unsolved crimes are considered a mystery, why should theirs be any exception?
Seriously, even if say Maddie was abducted, her disappearance should also be a mystery to the mccanns as they should also be no wiser as to the who, where, how, so on and so forth. How else could they term the mysterious circumstances surrounding madeleine disappearance ?

Come on, who are they kidding? If they didn't know what happened to her, it would be as much as mystery to them as to us, isn't it, logically speaking?
By their senseless legal action of forbidding TB to use that "M" word, are they unwittingly reinforcing people's belief they knew exactly what happened to her, hence it isnt a mystery to them or to those in the know.

Only when one has knowledge of something it is no longer a mystery, every thing or every factor unknown is a mystery.
Expansion of the use of the word mystery - for example : even an unknown adventure is termed 'mystery' (Enid Blyton's books are full of those) - even misplaced objects not yet found is a mystery until it is found or known where it was placed or lost.
You hear people saying it all the time: I don't know where I place my glasses or my mobile, or handbag, or what not, I cant seem to find it and I have searched the whole house....I'm sure I left it here or there or wherever.... hmmm...it's a complete mystery!
Even a child would use that "M" word to describe a lost feeling if they lost their possessions or pets and couldn't find them.

If it isn't a mystery to them, why are they still searching (allegedly)? If it is not a mystery to mccanns or CR then they should tell the Police and the Public all they know about it. We dont know, hence it is a complete mystery to us. What is wrong in saying that?
It does not necessarily imply that "indeed the mccanns were involved, so on and so forth as stated by CR"....unless they're putting words in our mouth. Or, are they implying that is indeed the case, just that we, the lesser mortals, not allowed to say it.

I can't get my head around how else to interpret that peculiarity from CR.
I would like to see them explain to the Judge how and why the terming of Madeleine disappearance as a "mystery" is libelous.
And, if that being the case, shouldn't they put out an edict ,in public ruling it is a prosecutable offence to use it to apply to missing Madeleine, and every one alike without exception is forbidden to use it.

Well quite.
"If, as you insist, Mr Carter-Ruck Barrister, the disappearance is not a mystery, could you kindly tell this court what happened, how it happened, when it happened, who did it, why they did it, and what they have done subsequently. Could you also tell us where Madeleine McCann, or her mortal remains, are to be found.
You have 10 minutes, starting --- NOW"

In the light of the Robert Murat front page yesterday, asking for a reconstruction,I don't want to be negative, but have we been here before?

hopefully sy report does not help their suing cases but finds child. it would be nice to hear they have been sued for wasting peoples time if nothing else, to cheer all up after banning of books and leveson hacked off, hacking me off for one. if use and deal with tabloids most people uk know what they get !

I wouldent be surprized if the mccanns themselves set the terms of the review with Leicester police then got money of HO and DC

Why do you think they are so important that they can set terms? I am intrigued.

home office set terms of review I think but it wouldent surprize me if they had imput before at all. The remit says they will be transparent and open so we will be able to all check what they did at some stage and that money/time was spent wisely one assumes ! heres hoping they find little girl soon or what happened to her. it looks like they started with their actually was an abduction !

sheila.edwards wrote:home office set terms of review I think but it wouldent surprize me if they had imput before at all. The remit says they will be transparent and open so we will be able to all check what they did at some stage and that money/time was spent wisely one assumes ! heres hoping they find little girl soon or what happened to her. it looks like they started with their actually was an abduction !

There is not a doubt in my mind they had some kind of 'reassurance' that their would be no chance of them being investigated again. They have been far to cocky from the start along with all the others.

They have also seemed to have swung it so the evidence from the dogs is totally ignored, along with the forensics. Obviously I don't know this for a fact but I can't see anyway they could link the dogs evidence into 6 British cleaners and a mystery couple never mentioned before.

Discounting the evidence from the dogs practically unexplained could be very dangerous for future cases. This case could be referred to in defence of other cases to discredit evidence, that could be vital in other cases too.

There has to be far more to this case and must be a reason why they can influence, Governments,Home Office, Police, Newspapers and Television. I can't believe it is just the fear of being sued, newspapers and police face that prospect every day in their work.

There is more to this, it goes much higher.

Was it ever told what the newspaper would have had to say if T. May had been plastered all over the front page for a week?

That did seem strange when it came out at Leveson hearing.

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sheila.edwards wrote:home office set terms of review I think but it wouldent surprize me if they had imput before at all. The remit says they will be transparent and open so we will be able to all check what they did at some stage and that money/time was spent wisely one assumes ! heres hoping they find little girl soon or what happened to her. it looks like they started with their actually was an abduction !

There is not a doubt in my mind they had some kind of 'reassurance' that their would be no chance of them being investigated again. They have been far to cocky from the start along with all the others.

They have also seemed to have swung it so the evidence from the dogs is totally ignored, along with the forensics. Obviously I don't know this for a fact but I can't see anyway they could link the dogs evidence into 6 British cleaners and a mystery couple never mentioned before.

Discounting the evidence from the dogs practically unexplained could be very dangerous for future cases. This case could be referred to in defence of other cases to discredit evidence, that could be vital in other cases too.

There has to be far more to this case and must be a reason why they can influence, Governments,Home Office, Police, Newspapers and Television. I can't believe it is just the fear of being sued, newspapers and police face that prospect every day in their work.

There is more to this, it goes much higher.

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. No way any Law Enforcement could reassure them of that. They may have had some help from influential people in the beginning because there was a lot of high people wanting to cover themselves of being associated with the case,with being in PDL and especially in being in company of others ... And now both countries have different governments and at the time Portugal unfortunately had Sócrates as Prime Minister and that guy would just bend before anyone... There was some talk (which GA leaves open as not to say its true or false) that the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] was at stake pending his (GA) removal of the case ...
About the press,especially the British I kinda understand them, they would make the Mcs millionaires if anyone dared say something unpleasant about the lovely couple... I was watching a tv show the other day in Spanish (from some south American country) and they were definitely not being kind to the pair at all, suffice to say they did not talked about abduction . I was watching and thinking "damn these people are crazy and surely have "balls" to be saying things like that. If anyone understands Spanish and gets curious, part 1 [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] part 2 [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
That's called freedom of speech, something which not goes along with the word Mccann.

Well if that is the case then I have no idea why SY are behaving like the key stone cops.

There is just nothing to suggest that they are looking at any possibility other than an abduction. We know from Murat they have not interviewed him again and there is nothing to suggest the Tapas 7.

If they were onto anything else I cannot understand why so many years and millions of pounds later they are still chasing shadows. It is not like they need to lure them into a false sense of security, they are pretty confident they are safe already, it happened 6 years ago.

The senior detectives in charge are on the brink of retirement. Even if they wanted too I doubt there is time now for a miraculous u-turn.

I know people keep bringing up the Saville case as an example you can't hide things. Well he managed too very well and made numerous comments whilst he was alive saying in so many words he will never get caught alive. Lets face it he had to die before the truth came out so he really got away with it. In some ways a prime example of officials looking in the other direction.

Whole thing has been a farce from 2007 and continues to be so. The wheels may well come off the wagon, but I think we will need a body or confession.

Pershing36

Totally agree with your post.

IMO we just have to accept that we are looking at this from the wrong direction - which funnily enough is exactly what was intended all along. The whole scenario is controlled from the other end - Government led.

It's not the McCanns who are misleading us it's the Government itself. The McCanns didn't instruct Carter Ruck, Control Risks etc., etc., they were forced upon them and so ultimately, the creation of TM.

When Kate said, "We were working really hard instead of searching" - she really meant it - I doubt they had any choice. There was a quote recently in another thread that in the evenings they had to deal with meetings, emails and phone calls. I imagine it was all to do with what they were being instructed to do for the next day - like it or not.

The only time the Truth will come out is when all those concerned are long gone.

I don' t think it matters which political party in Government - the result is always going to be the same.

Why would the goverment cover up the death of a child.

Talking of wagons Pershing, you reminded of a song wot i wrote a couple years back when i was suffering from a severe bout of sarcasmitis.

THREE WHEELS ON MY WAGON
(Burt Bacharach / Bob Hilliard)

The New Christy Minstrels

mangled by Hobnob and introducing the hobs dancers

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Three wheels on our wagon,
And we're still rolling along
The cops are chasing us
Accusations fly, right on by
But we're singing a happy song

We're a singing gimme, gimmus, money and fame
Mccanns, we never say die
Was an abductor what came
And we can watch those cops
Stand impotently by

SPOKEN: “gerry, they’re catching on to us!”
“Get back in the wagon kate!”

Two wheels on our wagon,
And we're still rolling along
Them cops are after us
The honest truth, burns our ears
But we keep spinning our song

We're a singing gimme, gimmus, money and fame
Mccanns, they never say die
A mile up the road there’s a lawyers office
And the cops can watch us
Scarper via the sky


SPOKEN: “Duh,kate? Are you sure this is the right story?”
“Will you hush up? You and your scripts!”

One wheel on our wagon,
And we're still rolling along
Them Cops are still after us
We're still hiding, clarrie at the reins
But we're singing a happy song

We're a singing gimme, gimmus, money and fame
Mccanns, we always lie
A mile up the road there’s a newspaper office
We can sue and get rich whilst the media
Go carefully by

SPOKEN: “gerry? Should I get the bag of wristbands and t-shirts?”
“Woman, I know what I’m doing!”

No wheels on our wagon,
So we're not rolling along
The Cops captured us
They look mad, things look bad
So I’m spilling the beans

SPOKEN: “C’mon all you Coppers sing along with me!”

We're a singing gimme, gimmus, bail and mercy
mccanns, we got found guilty
A mile up the road there’s a nice prison cell
Where the cops can watch us
As the years go crawling by

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When I'm Cleaning Windows
George Formby
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Now I go breaking windows to earn a dishonest bob
For a child abductor it's an interestin' job

Now it's a job that just suits me
A child abductor you would be
If you can see what I can see
When I'm stealing children

Abandoned children left alone
You should see them cry and moan
You'd be surprised at things i saw
When I'm stealing children

In my profession I'll work hard
But I'll never stop
I'll climb this blinkin' ladder
Till I get right to the top

The 3yr old, she looks divine
The twins are sleepin fine just fine
I'll grab the girl there's lots of time
When I'm stealing children

Gerry & Jez standing by the wall
It's a wonder I don't fall
My mind's not on my work at all
When I'm stealing children

I know a fella, such a w**ker
He has a thirst, can drain a tanker
I've seen him drink his bath as well
When I stole his daughter

Oh, in my profession I'll work hard
But I'll never stop
I'll climb this blinkin' ladder
Till I get right to the top

Pyjamas lyin' side by side
Sedated toddlers I have spied
I've often seen what goes inside
When I'm stealing children

------ banjo ------

Now there's a famous talkie queen
Her name is Oprah mistress of the screen
She got the gruesomes to spin a tale
About when I stole the small female

Kate pulls her hair all down behind
Then tells a porkie about her find
And after that pulls down the blind
'Cos I stole her daughter

In my profession I'll work hard
But I'll never stop
I'll climb this blinkin' ladder
Till I get right to the top

Dear old kate walks around the floor
She's so fed up, one day I'm sure
She'll drop the lies and tell us more
About her missing daughter

When I'm Stealing children

tiny wrote:Why would the goverment cover up the death of a child.

Thats the key to the truth IMO.

I don't know whether it is the Government or something else, but somebody is controlling this. I hate conspiracy theories but I can plainly see from the start they had help from UK officials up to the highest level, why?

The Government have also spent or wasted so much money on this to turn around at this point is going to leave them and SY with egg on their face and questions as to why the evidence of the dogs, PJ, Smiths sighting was ignored.

My guess, and it is just a guess is that SY are just following on the work of M3 and the other two. This is why we have so many new names or persons of interest, that's what they were looking for, anything in a shoe box other than the shoes.

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I posted a link to the Three Wheels On my Wagon song somewhere else as the spoken parts remind me so much of Gerry.

Here it is again for us to sing along with the new words.

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I don't know whether it is the Government or something else, but somebody is controlling this. I hate conspiracy theories but I can plainly see from the start they had help from UK officials up to the highest level, why?

The Government have also spent or wasted so much money on this to turn around at this point is going to leave them and SY with egg on their face and questions as to why the evidence of the dogs, PJ, Smiths sighting was ignored.

My guess, and it is just a guess is that SY are just following on the work of M3 and the other two. This is why we have so many new names or persons of interest, that's what they were looking for, anything in a shoe box other than the shoes.

I think this all began as one thing then began to morph into something else later, and it was the morphing that had to be stopped dead in it's tracks. It's clear there was otherwise inexplicable high level government assistance from the start, which could have resulted from a perception in official quarters regarding a potential scandal involving the behavious of 6 NHS medics on holiday abroad which had at all costs to be averted. From the first any mention of wrong doing within the group was strenuously countered by the "oh we've all done it" brigade at all levels within the media. It is clear high levels of legal assistance were swiftly available, equalled by a suspiciously high level of media advice followed up with engagement by the parents, friends and assorted family members. If mere bloggers can suspect child sedation as a route to trouble free evenings out, then so can our political masters, and it's possible that this is what had to be supressed at any cost.

It's also possible that, as abduction began to look less and likely when evidence which pointed to an inside job began to percolate, there was simply no going back. To have abandoned the T9 to their fate was tantamount to admitting that inappropriate intervention and manipulation had occurred to stave off what was now emerging as a far lesser scandal, and so there was nothing for it but to continue in the vein of strenuous denials of any wrongdoing on the part of the group. It's as if our political hierarchy and the T9 are locked in an everlasting embrace, with one side refusing to admit it had spectacularly and publicly backed a rogue horse, and the other equally determined not to relax their grip. The apparent stalemate seems otherwise hard to understand although many I'm sure will disagree, as is their right.

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I don't know whether it is the Government or something else, but somebody is controlling this. I hate conspiracy theories but I can plainly see from the start they had help from UK officials up to the highest level, why?

The Government have also spent or wasted so much money on this to turn around at this point is going to leave them and SY with egg on their face and questions as to why the evidence of the dogs, PJ, Smiths sighting was ignored.

My guess, and it is just a guess is that SY are just following on the work of M3 and the other two. This is why we have so many new names or persons of interest, that's what they were looking for, anything in a shoe box other than the shoes.

I think this all began as one thing then began to morph into something else later, and it was the morphing that had to be stopped dead in it's tracks. It's clear there was otherwise inexplicable high level government assistance from the start, which could have resulted from a perception in official quarters regarding a potential scandal involving the behavious of 6 NHS medics on holiday abroad which had at all costs to be averted. From the first any mention of wrong doing within the group was strenuously countered by the "oh we've all done it" brigade at all levels within the media. It is clear high levels of legal assistance were swiftly available, equalled by a suspiciously high level of media advice followed up with engagement by the parents, friends and assorted family members. If mere bloggers can suspect child sedation as a route to trouble free evenings out, then so can our political masters, and it's possible that this is what had to be supressed at any cost.

It's also possible that, as abduction began to look less and likely when evidence which pointed to an inside job began to percolate, there was simply no going back. To have abandoned the T9 to their fate was tantamount to admitting that inappropriate intervention and manipulation had occurred to stave off what was now emerging as a far lesser scandal, and so there was nothing for it but to continue in the vein of strenuous denials of any wrongdoing on the part of the group. It's as if our political hierarchy and the T9 are locked in an everlasting embrace, with one side refusing to admit it had spectacularly and publicly backed a rogue horse, and the other equally determined not to relax their grip. The apparent stalemate seems otherwise hard to understand although many I'm sure will disagree, as is their right.

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Another thing to add is the Government and SY know the majority of the public have no appetite for a McScandal.

I am sure if we had a poll tomorrow about 50% would believe the McCann's no questions. Then you have about 30% that believe the abduction but think they were guilty of neglect at some level.

That only leaves about 20% who are not happy with their version of events. Out of these probably only 1 or 2% still follow and want the truth.

Outside of the internet I have not met a single soul who would entertain a McFraud. It simply is just not an option in their minds. They have read the stories and seen the papers sued and apologising for questioning. Then on top of it you have Leveson and the endless TV pleas. People have been conditioned that this is the facts, they can now only read their version of events now.

The SY review could finish tomorrow in a McWhitewash and their simply will not be enough voices to challenge the verdict. If a conclusion came out that the abductors are out their, probably caring for like a princess I would imagine the Government and believers would be quite happy with the result, The lack of being able to track the perpetrators, the blame can easily be shifted towards the PJ. Then job done really, then the McBegging bowl can come out and at least 70% are happy.

Successive Governments do cover up for each other. Look at Dr Ruth Kelly, I don't think I know a single person who believes the verdict, yet it remains safely unchallenged.

Still we can live in hope the truth will come out.

Strange that Madeleine cried for 75 minutes and the twins didn't wake up.

tiny wrote:Why would the goverment cover up the death of a child.

I believe they are covering up the person responsible.

Angelique wrote:

tiny wrote:Why would the goverment cover up the death of a child.

I believe they are covering up the person responsible.

do you mean someone in gov, I still cant see why the McCann's would be laughing and acting the way they have if it was not one or both of them
who hurt Madeleine,surely no one is that important that the mccanns would let them get away with it.

tiny wrote:

Angelique wrote:

tiny wrote:Why would the goverment cover up the death of a child.

I believe they are covering up the person responsible.

do you mean someone in gov, I still cant see why the McCann's would be laughing and acting the way they have if it was not one or both of them
who hurt Madeleine,surely no one is that important that the mccanns would let them get away with it.

I mean the person responsible is so "high up" it will never be known. Everything the Macs say, do appear in/on is not by choice at all. It wouldn't matter if they said black was white - they are merely pawns. But this does not mean I don't think they are in some way responsible for what happened. But that they are themselves caught in a trap. It's what the Government are covering up. The Macs are not "letting" anyone get away with it the Government are telling them they have to. They therefore must know what happened and in some way be responsible as well.

We have seen successive governments let paedophiles get away with the despicable acts for years. Increasingly paedos. are only getting suspended sentences.

Children are going without food in this country today, food banks are on the increase with families only having one meal a day very often.

Let us hope that this SY review will show that at least one little girl child will get some justice, it is about time children of this country and all vulnerable peole were given the respect and care they deserve.

Shocking that we are the 7th richest country in the world and yet this is all allowed to go on.

The government can cut off our free speech on the internet but why wont they cut off the porn(among other things) that is corrupting the country?

Until they show the people respect, they certainly will not get any from us and they will see exactly how the electorate feel at the next election. pah.

In the long run, imho, this will be a case study for how you can almost get away with fooling nearly all the people nearly all the time.
Remember Hitler and the Big Lie?
Get the message out first, keep reinforcing it, and people will believe it, to the point where rational argument against it is dismissed.

Praiaaa wrote:In the long run, imho, this will be a case study for how you can almost get away with fooling nearly all the people nearly all the time.
Remember Hitler and the Big Lie?
Get the message out first, keep reinforcing it, and people will believe it, to the point where rational argument against it is dismissed.

And all those that advance the contrary rational argument are silenced one way or another.

The big question for me is; WHY? Why is it that the government (or rather the state) regards the McCanns as so sensitive that the full might of the state must be brought to bear to protect them? Is one of them (or the T7) MI5/6 perhaps?

Its highly speculative but what if the PJ started getting a bit close to the real reason for the McCann party (or some of them) being there?