Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Gillyspot 08.09.11 23:02
The UK Press Association are directly quoting the Met that police have been to Portugal in August to carry out formal meetings.
"British detectives reviewing the search for Madeleine McCann have travelled to Portugal for "formal" meetings with authorities.
Scotland Yard said its officers have conducted their first face-to-face discussions with police chiefs who led the massive hunt after the youngster vanished.
Madeleine was nearly four when she went missing from her family's holiday flat in Praia da Luz in the Algarve on May 3 2007 as her parents dined with friends nearby.
A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "MPS officers travelled to Portugal at the beginning of August and had their first formal meeting with Portuguese authorities to discuss ways to progress the investigative review."
Portuguese detectives' investigation - helped by officers from Leicestershire Police - into her disappearance prompted appeals for help across the world.
But the official inquiry was formally shelved in July 2008 and since then no police force has been actively looking for the missing child, who would now be eight.
The Met launched a review of the original investigation in May after a request from Home Secretary Theresa May supported by Prime Minister David Cameron.
Hundreds of possible sightings of the girl have been reported around the world since she went missing, but so far they have all come to nothing."
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"British detectives reviewing the search for Madeleine McCann have travelled to Portugal for "formal" meetings with authorities.
Scotland Yard said its officers have conducted their first face-to-face discussions with police chiefs who led the massive hunt after the youngster vanished.
Madeleine was nearly four when she went missing from her family's holiday flat in Praia da Luz in the Algarve on May 3 2007 as her parents dined with friends nearby.
A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "MPS officers travelled to Portugal at the beginning of August and had their first formal meeting with Portuguese authorities to discuss ways to progress the investigative review."
Portuguese detectives' investigation - helped by officers from Leicestershire Police - into her disappearance prompted appeals for help across the world.
But the official inquiry was formally shelved in July 2008 and since then no police force has been actively looking for the missing child, who would now be eight.
The Met launched a review of the original investigation in May after a request from Home Secretary Theresa May supported by Prime Minister David Cameron.
Hundreds of possible sightings of the girl have been reported around the world since she went missing, but so far they have all come to nothing."
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by lj 08.09.11 23:05
So who was the spokesman for the British police, and why are the PJ not aware of this visit?
Is it possible they met with what's his name humpty dumpty from "she is in a lair" iso real police officers??
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Guest 09.09.11 9:51
From Joana's website................
Maddie 'unites' PJ and English police
9 September 2011 | Posted by Joana Morais
Process: English Prime-Minister forces the review of all information
by Henrique Machado
Three elite officers from the British investigative police, Scotland Yard, arrived discreetly in Lisbon earlier last month. And they followed immediately to a meeting that was scheduled at the Judiciary Police [PJ] headquarters - in order to "tune up the cooperation mechanisms" in the analyses of new leads in the Maddie case, this was confirmed to Correio da Manhã by Pedro do Carmo [pictured above], the National joint director of the PJ.
The news was advanced yesterday by SkyNews after this team, from the Scotland Yard, was created in May by the direct order of Prime Minister David Cameron; following an appeal made to him by Kate and Gerry McCann, parents of the young girl who disappeared in Praia da Luz, Lagos, on the night of May 3, 2007. The aim of the English investigators, who returned to London the following day is to comb thoroughly all the information and leads that were followed in the process - so they can suggest new steps to be taken to the PJ if appropriate.
The process is formally archived, "but it is the interest of PJ and of the Scotland Yard that we can, one day, get to the truth of the facts" of what happened in Praia da Luz, Pedro do Carmo adds. The head of the PJ, who chaired the meeting, advanced that it was a "constructive" meeting - that united the British and elements of the PJ from Portimão, where the investigation unfolded.
It continues to arrive to the Portuguese and British police dozens of information, anonymous or not, about what could have happened to the English girl, with four years of age then, inside the apartment 5A of the Ocean Club. The majority concern the sightings in various places around the world, which have revealed themselves to be unfounded; others are more credible and have to be checked. Some point to kidnapping; others to the involvement of adults close to the child.
David Cameron gave in to the couple
The imposition of the British Prime-Minister to the Scotland Yard, in May, at the time of the book launch, ‘Madeleine’, in the United Kingdom, which coincided with the eight birthday of the missing child's disappearance, caused controversy in England. It was seen by some as a populist measure, of a politician that gave a differential treatment to the McCann couple - who had characterized Cameron as a "devout father and family man", asking him for a "independent review and transparent of the process". The Prime-Minister replied assuring them that he would commit the Scotland Yard to the case.
"The English have evidence": Gonçalo Amaral, former investigator of the process
Correio da Manhã – What can the English police add to the investigation?
Gonçalo Amaral – The English can always present the conclusions to which they themselves arrived in 2007. Because they know, they have the evidence of what happened - they don't need to investigate anything. All this is now a mere ‘show off’.
– How can these meetings be justified now?
– Only in terms of the political image of the English Prime-Minister. They are not coming here certainly to ask to consult a process, that they, from the first hour, have in England and fully translated in English...
– Is this another media maneuver from the McCanns?
– I don't know, however, if the Scotland Yard is investigating and if they no longer pay their detectives, they can return the money from the book.
in Correio da Manhã, September 9, 2011
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9 September 2011 | Posted by Joana Morais
Process: English Prime-Minister forces the review of all information
by Henrique Machado
Three elite officers from the British investigative police, Scotland Yard, arrived discreetly in Lisbon earlier last month. And they followed immediately to a meeting that was scheduled at the Judiciary Police [PJ] headquarters - in order to "tune up the cooperation mechanisms" in the analyses of new leads in the Maddie case, this was confirmed to Correio da Manhã by Pedro do Carmo [pictured above], the National joint director of the PJ.
The news was advanced yesterday by SkyNews after this team, from the Scotland Yard, was created in May by the direct order of Prime Minister David Cameron; following an appeal made to him by Kate and Gerry McCann, parents of the young girl who disappeared in Praia da Luz, Lagos, on the night of May 3, 2007. The aim of the English investigators, who returned to London the following day is to comb thoroughly all the information and leads that were followed in the process - so they can suggest new steps to be taken to the PJ if appropriate.
The process is formally archived, "but it is the interest of PJ and of the Scotland Yard that we can, one day, get to the truth of the facts" of what happened in Praia da Luz, Pedro do Carmo adds. The head of the PJ, who chaired the meeting, advanced that it was a "constructive" meeting - that united the British and elements of the PJ from Portimão, where the investigation unfolded.
It continues to arrive to the Portuguese and British police dozens of information, anonymous or not, about what could have happened to the English girl, with four years of age then, inside the apartment 5A of the Ocean Club. The majority concern the sightings in various places around the world, which have revealed themselves to be unfounded; others are more credible and have to be checked. Some point to kidnapping; others to the involvement of adults close to the child.
David Cameron gave in to the couple
The imposition of the British Prime-Minister to the Scotland Yard, in May, at the time of the book launch, ‘Madeleine’, in the United Kingdom, which coincided with the eight birthday of the missing child's disappearance, caused controversy in England. It was seen by some as a populist measure, of a politician that gave a differential treatment to the McCann couple - who had characterized Cameron as a "devout father and family man", asking him for a "independent review and transparent of the process". The Prime-Minister replied assuring them that he would commit the Scotland Yard to the case.
"The English have evidence": Gonçalo Amaral, former investigator of the process
Correio da Manhã – What can the English police add to the investigation?
Gonçalo Amaral – The English can always present the conclusions to which they themselves arrived in 2007. Because they know, they have the evidence of what happened - they don't need to investigate anything. All this is now a mere ‘show off’.
– How can these meetings be justified now?
– Only in terms of the political image of the English Prime-Minister. They are not coming here certainly to ask to consult a process, that they, from the first hour, have in England and fully translated in English...
– Is this another media maneuver from the McCanns?
– I don't know, however, if the Scotland Yard is investigating and if they no longer pay their detectives, they can return the money from the book.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Jill Havern 09.09.11 10:02
Gonçalo Amaral – The English can always present the conclusions to which they themselves arrived in 2007. Because they know, they have the evidence of what happened - they don't need to investigate anything. All this is now a mere ‘show off’
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Guest 09.09.11 10:23
THIRTY BRITISH POLICE IN NEW MADELEINE MCCANN HUNT
Friday September 9,2011
By David Pilditch and Tracey Kandohla A NEW investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was under way last night after senior Scotland Yard detectives flew to Portugal.
Officers from a 30-strong squad specially set up to revive the search for Madeleine McCann, who vanished four years ago, met Portuguese authorities for the first time.
The top secret talks took place last month but details emerged for the first time yesterday.
Last night Madeleine’s devoted parents Kate and Gerry told how the development gave them fresh hope of a breakthrough in the hunt for their daughter. Heart specialist Gerry, 42, and former GP Kate, 43, were said to be “extremely pleased” the meeting had taken place.
It is the first time any international police force has been searching for Madeleine since the official Portuguese inquiry was shelved in July 2008. The couple’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell said Kate and Gerry believed it was “a positive step in the right direction”.
Kate and Gerry believe potentially vital clues were missed in the botched Portuguese investigation
McCann family source
Scotland Yard confirmed its officers conducted their first face-to-face “formal meeting” with Portuguese police who led the hunt for her.
The McCanns, of Rothley, Leicestershire, believe vital clues were missed and leads never followed up during the shambolic investigation.
The despairing couple were left to search for Madeleine by themselves and hired a team of private eyes.
They insisted they would never stop looking for Madeleine, who vanished days before her fourth birthday, and were given a huge boost when David Cameron stepped in to help following a personal appeal in May.
Mr Cameron told the couple Home Secretary Theresa May had ordered Scotland Yard to launch a new operation funded by the Government. They were tasked to carry out a review of the investigation from start to finish and bring a new perspective to the case.
Yesterday it was revealed the Yard team carrying out the new inquiry consists of 30 officers, the same size as a murder squad.
It is being led by Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, of the Met’s Homicide and Serious Crime Command, who has been dubbed Britain’s top cold case detective. The McCanns hope the renewed efforts could unearth a vital new clue in the four-year mystery.
Mr Mitchell said: “Kate and Gerry are extremely pleased that the review is progressing. It is a positive step in the right direction.”
The Portuguese detectives’ investigation, helped by officers from Leicestershire Police, led to hundreds of possible sightings of Madeleine across the world but so far all have come to nothing. A Scotland Yard spokesman said last night: “Officers from the Metropolitan Police travelled to Portugal at the beginning of August and had their first formal meeting with Portuguese authorities to discuss ways to progress the investigative review.”
The McCanns met members of the London-based squad several times before the Portuguese meeting. A source close to the couple said: “They are relieved. Things are finally being done and Kate and Gerry are being kept informed of every move.” The couple, who have six-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, are convinced it is only a matter of time before they get a significant breakthrough.
Their private investigators, headed by former Detective Inspector David Edgar, have also met the new team.
The family source said: “Kate and Gerry have had several meetings with police reviewing their daughter’s case. They know the officers have a difficult task ahead but they feel positive. They have been told that if something has been missed they will find it. They are relieved that something is finally happening.
“Kate and Gerry believe potentially vital clues were missed in the botched Portuguese investigation and their private eyes are hoping the Met will bring a new perspective to the case, which is being conducted in tandem with Portuguese police. The review is still in its very early stages. Officers are busy going through everything from scratch and analysing it.”
When the review was announced, Sir Paul Stephenson, the then Metropolitan Police Commissioner, insisted there was “always a chance” it could lead to Madeleine being safely reunited with her parents.
The review team has drawn expertise from Scotland Yard’s specialist crime directorate.
More officers will be drafted in if new evidence is found, including scenes-of-crime experts and forensic scientists.
The team is currently sifting through 20,000 pages of evidence assembled by Portuguese detectives. They will review witness statements, make a fresh appeal for information and carefully re-check alibis.
A police source said: “They will be looking for something that has been overlooked or not developed which could lead to a fresh line of inquiry – a sighting, a tip-off, something that didn’t ring bells at the time but could be vital.”
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By David Pilditch and Tracey Kandohla A NEW investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was under way last night after senior Scotland Yard detectives flew to Portugal.
Officers from a 30-strong squad specially set up to revive the search for Madeleine McCann, who vanished four years ago, met Portuguese authorities for the first time.
The top secret talks took place last month but details emerged for the first time yesterday.
Last night Madeleine’s devoted parents Kate and Gerry told how the development gave them fresh hope of a breakthrough in the hunt for their daughter. Heart specialist Gerry, 42, and former GP Kate, 43, were said to be “extremely pleased” the meeting had taken place.
It is the first time any international police force has been searching for Madeleine since the official Portuguese inquiry was shelved in July 2008. The couple’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell said Kate and Gerry believed it was “a positive step in the right direction”.
Kate and Gerry believe potentially vital clues were missed in the botched Portuguese investigation
McCann family source
Scotland Yard confirmed its officers conducted their first face-to-face “formal meeting” with Portuguese police who led the hunt for her.
The McCanns, of Rothley, Leicestershire, believe vital clues were missed and leads never followed up during the shambolic investigation.
The despairing couple were left to search for Madeleine by themselves and hired a team of private eyes.
They insisted they would never stop looking for Madeleine, who vanished days before her fourth birthday, and were given a huge boost when David Cameron stepped in to help following a personal appeal in May.
Mr Cameron told the couple Home Secretary Theresa May had ordered Scotland Yard to launch a new operation funded by the Government. They were tasked to carry out a review of the investigation from start to finish and bring a new perspective to the case.
Yesterday it was revealed the Yard team carrying out the new inquiry consists of 30 officers, the same size as a murder squad.
It is being led by Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, of the Met’s Homicide and Serious Crime Command, who has been dubbed Britain’s top cold case detective. The McCanns hope the renewed efforts could unearth a vital new clue in the four-year mystery.
Mr Mitchell said: “Kate and Gerry are extremely pleased that the review is progressing. It is a positive step in the right direction.”
The Portuguese detectives’ investigation, helped by officers from Leicestershire Police, led to hundreds of possible sightings of Madeleine across the world but so far all have come to nothing. A Scotland Yard spokesman said last night: “Officers from the Metropolitan Police travelled to Portugal at the beginning of August and had their first formal meeting with Portuguese authorities to discuss ways to progress the investigative review.”
The McCanns met members of the London-based squad several times before the Portuguese meeting. A source close to the couple said: “They are relieved. Things are finally being done and Kate and Gerry are being kept informed of every move.” The couple, who have six-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, are convinced it is only a matter of time before they get a significant breakthrough.
Their private investigators, headed by former Detective Inspector David Edgar, have also met the new team.
The family source said: “Kate and Gerry have had several meetings with police reviewing their daughter’s case. They know the officers have a difficult task ahead but they feel positive. They have been told that if something has been missed they will find it. They are relieved that something is finally happening.
“Kate and Gerry believe potentially vital clues were missed in the botched Portuguese investigation and their private eyes are hoping the Met will bring a new perspective to the case, which is being conducted in tandem with Portuguese police. The review is still in its very early stages. Officers are busy going through everything from scratch and analysing it.”
When the review was announced, Sir Paul Stephenson, the then Metropolitan Police Commissioner, insisted there was “always a chance” it could lead to Madeleine being safely reunited with her parents.
The review team has drawn expertise from Scotland Yard’s specialist crime directorate.
More officers will be drafted in if new evidence is found, including scenes-of-crime experts and forensic scientists.
The team is currently sifting through 20,000 pages of evidence assembled by Portuguese detectives. They will review witness statements, make a fresh appeal for information and carefully re-check alibis.
A police source said: “They will be looking for something that has been overlooked or not developed which could lead to a fresh line of inquiry – a sighting, a tip-off, something that didn’t ring bells at the time but could be vital.”
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Big Vern 09.09.11 10:59
You only need read as far as Kate and Gerry believe potentially vital clues were missed in the botched Portuguese investigation to realise what a complete load of bollocks it all is.
Sorry about the language but this 'review' farce is a step too far.
Supported yet again by the totally bent UK media in association with the totally bent Scotland Yard on the say so of the totally bent Government.
Sorry about the language but this 'review' farce is a step too far.
Supported yet again by the totally bent UK media in association with the totally bent Scotland Yard on the say so of the totally bent Government.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Miraflores 09.09.11 11:41
Devoted couple? What - a couple whose child has gone missing because they neglected her? This seems a strange form of devotion to me.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Gillyspot 09.09.11 12:37
And why oh why are Scotland Yard informing the McCanns regulary on progress when they are the main SUSPECTS in this case! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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by Cheshire Cat 09.09.11 12:39
Big Vern wrote:You only need read as far as Kate and Gerry believe potentially vital clues were missed in the botched Portuguese investigation to realise what a complete load of bollocks it all is.
Sorry about the language but this 'review' farce is a step too far.
Supported yet again by the totally bent UK media in association with the totally bent Scotland Yard on the say so of the totally bent Government.
My thoughts exactly. I am always suspicious of posters who suggest that "...things are not looking good for the McCanns" or "..the end is nigh for the McCann's!". This is a McCann lead review with Clarrie the mouthpiece - he has a job for life!
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Cheshire Cat 09.09.11 12:42
Gillyspot wrote:And why oh why are Scotland Yard informing the McCanns regulary on progress when they are the main SUSPECTS in this case! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Same reason 'call me Stu' had to keep the McCanns informed.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Gillyspot 09.09.11 12:44
Cheshire Cat wrote:Gillyspot wrote:And why oh why are Scotland Yard informing the McCanns regulary on progress when they are the main SUSPECTS in this case! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
Same reason 'call me Stu' had to keep the McCanns informed.
With Big Verns excellent comment and this it is just showing that a massive pail of whitewash is being stirred in readiness for the finished report to come out. What a waste of over £3 million of OUR money if this is so! [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by lj 09.09.11 14:11
Big Vern wrote:You only need read as far as Kate and Gerry believe potentially vital clues were missed in the botched Portuguese investigation to realise what a complete load of bollocks it all is.
Sorry about the language but this 'review' farce is a step too far.
Supported yet again by the totally bent UK media in association with the totally bent Scotland Yard on the say so of the totally bent Government.
I too have lost faith.
I just hope for another kind of justice for Madeleine, something that is not in the hands of all corrupt politicians. If photos of Kate give the real picture, it might already be working.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Me 09.09.11 15:28
Big Vern wrote:You only need read as far as Kate and Gerry believe potentially vital clues were missed in the botched Portuguese investigation to realise what a complete load of bollocks it all is.
Sorry about the language but this 'review' farce is a step too far.
Supported yet again by the totally bent UK media in association with the totally bent Scotland Yard on the say so of the totally bent Government.
Hang on! read that article again, it's been penned by Clarence! It's part of the strategy for them getting their version of events in before the review is completed.
Nowhere does that article directly quote Plod.
It's just the Team's media bullshit.
Ignore it.
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I don’t think it’s so much whether they will come to a different conclusion, more a case of what evidence have they got which would lead SY away from the PJ’s findings.
You have to think given the Team’s ability to create / utilise / maximise every possible sighting that if something credible had come to light to support their theories they would have been shouting about it from the rafters.
Yet we’ve seen nothing of any merit over the last four years from the Team which could actually add weight to the abduction theory.
What seems to be the strategy of the Team with the review is to ignore the evidence gathered by the PJ completely and instead try to create the impression that important leads were missed which would support their theory.
This is the paucity and desperation we’re dealing with here. They are seriously suggesting to intelligent and experienced investigators that unknown leads, with unknown evidence were missed or ignored by the PJ because that rogue cop, Amaral, working alone and in the shadows, was trying desperately to fit them up.
The strategy here seems to comprise of the Team telling SY’s finest to ignore the 17,000 pages of information that was collected and to concentrate instead on what wasn’t gathered -whisper it quietly- it wasn’t collected because there was nothing there!
I can’t see that having mileage with Plod now they appear to have unlimited resources and remit with which to review the investigation and the collected evidence.
I think the fear and paranoia we have about SY’s conclusions is not borne from evidence out there which would allow SY to draw a different conclusion, more the fact that we can’t believe, given the evidence collected and stored for the last four years, the McCann’s have remained untouchable.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Angelique 09.09.11 15:44
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I agree with you this is just Team McCann spin.
CM is now off with Burson-Marstella who turn disasters into totally harmless everyday events. They are obviously still getting help from CM and this shows they still fear anything which brings down their wall of "media defence" they have built within the public's perception.
I agree with you this is just Team McCann spin.
CM is now off with Burson-Marstella who turn disasters into totally harmless everyday events. They are obviously still getting help from CM and this shows they still fear anything which brings down their wall of "media defence" they have built within the public's perception.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Hilary 09.09.11 17:21
Well, I for one would caution against too much haste and scepticism in dismissing the efforts of Scotland Yard and in presuming they are part of a whitewash. Thirty officers, with more available, and an 'investigative' review rather than a simple 'review' actually sounds very hopeful. It would be a mistake to underestimate the professionalism and determination of the British plod when it comes to solving a potential child murder, or a genuine abduction - they are outstandingly good at it and it is both ridiculous and libellous to accuse the review team of having any interest in being part of a whitewash without any basis in fact. Take the parents charged this week with the so-called 'honour killing' of their teenage daughter; it may have taken seven years to gather the evidence, but patience pays off, and they have eventually been charged. Remember, also, the case of little Adam (the torso in the Thames) and the extraordinary lengths the investigating officers went to in order to discover his identity and to uncover the crime. Scotland Yard has only just begun, there is no reason to believe that the team is not made up of people of integrity whose only agenda is to establish the truth in regard to what happened to Madeleine, and no reason to believe that the Portuguese will not be willing to co-operate in the review, etc - they also want to see the crime solved. If Scotland Yard has been given the go ahead to investigate and not merely review, there is every reason to still hope that the truth will yet leap out from all the confusion, dross and spin which derailed the original investigation.
A bit less negativity, a bit more belief in the integrity of the majority of British police, please. Unfounded mistrust of professional people who are in all likelihood unknown to the people criticising them here doesn't do the image of this forum any good at all.
A bit less negativity, a bit more belief in the integrity of the majority of British police, please. Unfounded mistrust of professional people who are in all likelihood unknown to the people criticising them here doesn't do the image of this forum any good at all.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by lj 09.09.11 17:31
So "call me Stu" was not professional according to you?
And what about the diplomatic people, you would expect a lot of integrity there?
Maybe you're right, maybe this group will do an excellent job, but seen the damage all the other people, who are also supposed to be integer and professional, has done a healthy dose of skepticism is to be expected.
And what about the diplomatic people, you would expect a lot of integrity there?
Maybe you're right, maybe this group will do an excellent job, but seen the damage all the other people, who are also supposed to be integer and professional, has done a healthy dose of skepticism is to be expected.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by sharonl 09.09.11 17:55
Madeleine McCann: Scotland Yard returned to Portugal
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Friday, September 9, 2011 17:16
Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was developing in August, officers from Scotland Yard returned to Portugal, to make arrangements whose purpose is not known.
Scotland Yard was in Portugal last month, but it is unclear for what purpose. The Judicial Police would not confirm the presence of those agents, but a spokesman assured the Lusa news agency that there was a visit to Luso soil in August.
In May, it is recalled, Gerry and Kate McCann, Maddie's parents, sent a letter to Prime Minister David Cameron, which called for the reopening of the investigation of the child's disappearance, which occurred four years ago.
The case is filed since 2008 in Portugal, but on English soil continue efforts related to the disappearance of a minor. And if there are developments, the Attorney General's Office (PGR) unknown.
"Nothing has been requested or a statement," said the PGR. The alleged return to Portugal from Scotland Yard will have taken a day after more sightings. A girl with physical similarities, seen in India, a wave media. But it was not Madeleine.
The British child was almost four years when she disappeared on 3 May 2007, the apartment where he vacationed with her family in Praia da Luz (Algarve). Apparently, the investigation continues.
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Investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was developing in August, officers from Scotland Yard returned to Portugal, to make arrangements whose purpose is not known.
Scotland Yard was in Portugal last month, but it is unclear for what purpose. The Judicial Police would not confirm the presence of those agents, but a spokesman assured the Lusa news agency that there was a visit to Luso soil in August.
In May, it is recalled, Gerry and Kate McCann, Maddie's parents, sent a letter to Prime Minister David Cameron, which called for the reopening of the investigation of the child's disappearance, which occurred four years ago.
The case is filed since 2008 in Portugal, but on English soil continue efforts related to the disappearance of a minor. And if there are developments, the Attorney General's Office (PGR) unknown.
"Nothing has been requested or a statement," said the PGR. The alleged return to Portugal from Scotland Yard will have taken a day after more sightings. A girl with physical similarities, seen in India, a wave media. But it was not Madeleine.
The British child was almost four years when she disappeared on 3 May 2007, the apartment where he vacationed with her family in Praia da Luz (Algarve). Apparently, the investigation continues.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by IAmNotMerylStreep 09.09.11 18:00
Hilary wrote:A bit less negativity, a bit more belief in the integrity of the majority of British police, please. Unfounded mistrust of professional people who are in all likelihood unknown to the people criticising them here doesn't do the image of this forum any good at all.
If Goncalo Amaral has no trust in the English then why should we? I would imagine Goncalo is closer to the investigation than you are.
This is his latest comment :- "The English can always present the conclusions to which they themselves arrived in 2007. Because they know, they have the evidence of what happened - they don't need to investigate anything. All this is now a mere 'show off'
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by sharonl 09.09.11 18:04
Does this spokesman have an identity or is he yet another McMystery?
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Me 09.09.11 18:14
sharonl wrote:Does this spokesman have an identity or is he yet another McMystery?
It's all Clarence's words.
Mindst you it's a bit rich the Team complaining bitterly of the PJ leaking information on the case back in 2007 then allowing this "unnamed" and mysterious spokesman to do exactly the same 4 years later.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Big Vern 09.09.11 19:24
Amaral has stated today in the Portuguese press that there is nothing for them to find, they have everything on the case they need, all translated into English and have had from the start.Hilary wrote:. If Scotland Yard has been given the go ahead to investigate and not merely review, there is every reason to still hope that the truth will yet leap out from all the confusion, dross and spin which derailed the original investigation.
He also states that the UK police arrived at the same conclusion as the PJ.
Finally, he expresses the opinion, and I totally agree with him, that it is all being done by the British for show.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Daisy 09.09.11 19:45
Hilary wrote: ...it is both ridiculous and libellous to accuse the
review team of having any interest in being part of a whitewash without
any basis in fact.
A bit less negativity, a bit more belief in the integrity of the majority of British police, please. Unfounded
mistrust of professional people who are in all likelihood unknown to
the people criticising them here doesn't do the image of this forum any
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I have to disagree Hilary. It is not ridiculous and definetly not libellous (in what way?) to
speculate this review will end in a whitewash. The facts are: SY (&
other British police forces up & down the country) have already been
involved in numerous cover-ups/whitewashes too numerous for me to list
in fact! Then we have the ongoing saga of the murky Murdoch empire and
the 'interconnectedness' of Scotland Yard and you ask that we have faith?
My mistrust is not unfounded. I believe the opposite to you, that's all. I think it's very naive to have unfounded trust in 'professionals'. I like to think, analyse and use my own logic and sense of reasoning before handing over complete trust. I think the people that are unable to do this, the one's that don't want to question, do the rest of us a great disservice. I could argue, He/She who doesn't question doesn't doesn't do the image of this forum any good at all. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by sharonl 09.09.11 19:49
Big Vern wrote:Amaral has stated today in the Portuguese press that there is nothing for them to find, they have everything on the case they need, all translated into English and have had from the start.Hilary wrote:. If Scotland Yard has been given the go ahead to investigate and not merely review, there is every reason to still hope that the truth will yet leap out from all the confusion, dross and spin which derailed the original investigation.
He also states that the UK police arrived at the same conclusion as the PJ.
Finally, he expresses the opinion, and I totally agree with him, that it is all being done by the British for show.
A £3.5M show? at the expense of the taxpayer?
Where has this money really been spent?
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Cheshire Cat 09.09.11 20:14
Daisy wrote:Hilary wrote: ...it is both ridiculous and libellous to accuse the
review team of having any interest in being part of a whitewash without
any basis in fact.
A bit less negativity, a bit more belief in the integrity of the majority of British police, please. Unfounded
mistrust of professional people who are in all likelihood unknown to
the people criticising them here doesn't do the image of this forum any
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I have to disagree Hilary. It is not ridiculous and definetly not libellous (in what way?) to
speculate this review will end in a whitewash. The facts are: SY (&
other British police forces up & down the country) have already been
involved in numerous cover-ups/whitewashes too numerous for me to list
in fact! Then we have the ongoing saga of the murky Murdoch empire and
the 'interconnectedness' of Scotland Yard and you ask that we have faith?
My mistrust is not unfounded. I believe the opposite to you, that's all. I think it's very naive to have unfounded trust in 'professionals'. I like to think, analyse and use my own logic and sense of reasoning before handing over complete trust. I think the people that are unable to do this, the one's that don't want to question, do the rest of us a great disservice. I could argue, He/She who doesn't question doesn't do the image of this forum any good at all. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
"To whitewash is a [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] meaning to gloss over or cover up vices, crimes or scandals or to exonerate by means of a perfunctory investigation or through biased presentation of data.It is especially used in the context of corporations, governments or other organizations."Wilkipedia
This is what is happening folks! All for show, as it has been from the early hours of 4 May 2007.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Jill Havern 09.09.11 20:18
Cheshire Cat wrote:Daisy wrote:Hilary wrote: ...it is both ridiculous and libellous to accuse the
review team of having any interest in being part of a whitewash without
any basis in fact.
A bit less negativity, a bit more belief in the integrity of the majority of British police, please. Unfounded
mistrust of professional people who are in all likelihood unknown to
the people criticising them here doesn't do the image of this forum any
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I have to disagree Hilary. It is not ridiculous and definetly not libellous (in what way?) to
speculate this review will end in a whitewash. The facts are: SY (&
other British police forces up & down the country) have already been
involved in numerous cover-ups/whitewashes too numerous for me to list
in fact! Then we have the ongoing saga of the murky Murdoch empire and
the 'interconnectedness' of Scotland Yard and you ask that we have faith?
My mistrust is not unfounded. I believe the opposite to you, that's all. I think it's very naive to have unfounded trust in 'professionals'. I like to think, analyse and use my own logic and sense of reasoning before handing over complete trust. I think the people that are unable to do this, the one's that don't want to question, do the rest of us a great disservice. I could argue, He/She who doesn't question doesn't do the image of this forum any good at all. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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This is what is happening folks! All for show, as it has been from the early hours of 4 May 2007.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Gillyspot 09.09.11 20:30
Me wrote:sharonl wrote:Does this spokesman have an identity or is he yet another McMystery?
It's all Clarence's words.
Mindst you it's a bit rich the Team complaining bitterly of the PJ leaking information on the case back in 2007 then allowing this "unnamed" and mysterious spokesman to do exactly the same 4 years later.
Was not there a McCann "spokesman" (person close to the McCanns, Source, Friend) spouting off right from the off in 2007 anyway. I think the McCanns' used it whenever they thought they were on shaky legal ground so could deny it later if the brown stuff (not Gordon) hit the fan.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Big Vern 09.09.11 21:14
Hilary wrote:
A bit less negativity, a bit more belief in the integrity of the majority of British police, please.
Scotland Yard chief Paul Stephenson stepped down and was then followed out the door 24 hours later by Assistant Commissioner John Yates over corruption and hacking.
The top two cops in the entire force have both had to resign in the last couple of months and you use the word 'integrity'!
Corrupt and bent from top to bottom in my opinion. The days of Dixon of Dock Green are long gone.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by sharonl 09.09.11 21:38
Big Vern wrote:Hilary wrote:
A bit less negativity, a bit more belief in the integrity of the majority of British police, please.
Scotland Yard chief Paul Stephenson stepped down and was then followed out the door 24 hours later by Assistant Commissioner John Yates over corruption and hacking.
The top two cops in the entire force have both had to resign in the last couple of months and you use the word 'integrity'!
Corrupt and bent from top to bottom in my opinion. The days of Dixon of Dock Green are long gone.
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Madeleine McCann could be found alive, Britain's most senior police officer has said.
Sir Paul Stephenson said it was right for Scotland Yard to agree to Home Secretary Theresa May's request for help and said there was 'always a chance' that the child could be found alive.
His comments come after the decision to involve the Metropolitan Police was described as a 'ludicrous' move that would use up valuable police resources and deny other victims of crime the chance of justice.
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The Prime Minister, who has cut short a four-day trade trip to South Africa, and Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner John Yates are both now in the firing line.
Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson fell on his sword last night over links with former News of the World deputy editor Neil Wallis, who was arrested last week, as well as concerns that he accepted free hospitality at a luxury health spa
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Surely, you couldn`t blame anyone who was concerned over this.
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Big Vern 09.09.11 21:54
"Sir Paul Stephenson said it was right for Scotland Yard to agree to Home Secretary Theresa May's request for help and said there was 'always a chance' that the child could be found alive" .....So why do the police bother to use cadavar and blood dogs then Paul me old mate?
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Re: Scotland Yard are in Portugal - Martin Brunt
by Gillyspot 10.09.11 1:08
Big Vern wrote:"Sir Paul Stephenson said it was right for Scotland Yard to agree to Home Secretary Theresa May's request for help and said there was 'always a chance' that the child could be found alive" .....So why do the police bother to use cadavar and blood dogs then Paul me old mate?
Well done Big Vern. I agree totally. Sir Paul Stephenson and his ridiculous comments (well publicised in such relevant tomes as the Sun and the NOTW were all spin) - well how on earth could he know that Madeleine would be found - he hadn't looked at the evidence any more than John Yates had bothered to look into those black bags containing all the hacking evidence. All spin IMO.
I was hopeful when I heard that some SY detectives had travelled to Portugal to speak to PJ then when I heard they were meeting with the McCanns regularly - well brought back bad memories of "Call me Stu" - so B & Q - get a large amount of tubs of whitewash in your stores in London - they could well be selling out soon!)
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