Re: Prosecution Exhibit 1: 'madeleine' - What's in the book?

by Doug D 30.09.19 14:47

Hobs:

Why the Rocha Negra?
What was so special there that she felt the need to run up it?
Why did gerry and her run up it several times in the following months?

Not saying you're wrong necessarily, but the Rocha Negra run is the one to take if you want a short challenging workout, as opposed to the relatively level and untaxing 'jog' she went on with Matt.

The first bit is fairly level but once you get past the Freud villa you wouldn't have enough breath to chat any more.

Probably the first time I have almost come down on the Mc's side, but if I wanted to get away and take my mind off something for a while, that is what I would have done.

Whether I would have been in the right mindset to actually leave the kids and go for a run is a different matter altogether!

by Guest 30.09.19 15:22

A lady from an apartment across Rua Dr Gentil Martins, overlooking our little side gate, came over to speak to us. She said that the previous night she had seen a car going up the Rocha Negra – the black, volcanic cliff that dominates the village. There was a track leading to the Rocha Negra but nobody remembered ever having noticed any vehicle that far up in the daytime, let alone at night. This immediately conjured visions of Madeleine being disposed of somewhere on the overhanging cliff. I went to tell one of the police officers who was able to speak a little English. He was quite dismissive. It would have been one of the GNR men checking the area, he said.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN

by Guest 30.09.19 15:37

I also felt a compulsion to run up to the top of the Rocha Negra. Somehow, inflicting physical pain on myself seemed to be the only possible way of escaping my internal pain. The other truly awful manifestation of what I was feeling was a macabre slideshow of vivid pictures in my brain that taunted me relentlessly. I was crying out that I could see Madeleine lying, cold and mottled, on a big grey stone slab. Looking back, seeing me like this must have been terrible for my friends and relatives, and particularly my parents, but I couldn’t help myself. And all this needed to come out. I dread to think what it might have done to me if it hadn’t.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN
.................
I seriously doubt either Gerry or Kate McCann would purposely lead the police to a place connected in any way to the disappearance of their daughter - more likely they would divert attention.

River deep - mountain high?

That aside, the book surpasses any best seller the likes of Barbara Cartland could create for melodrama. I can see why folk thought JK Rowling might be the ghostwriter, or even why Kate McCann sowed the seed for folk to think. Kate McCann's autobiographical novel could compare any day to a JK Rowling fantasy.

by Guest 30.09.19 15:40

That first weekend I’d felt a burning desire to run up the Rocha Negra, and Gerry and I would in fact do so many times over the next few months. In places it was just too steep and I had to slow down to walking speed, but if I dared to stop (interpreted by my brain as failure) I would mentally beat myself up.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN

by Guest 30.09.19 15:58

Picture Credits

I feel a strong bond with Praia da Luz – the place I last saw Madeleine. The church of Nossa Senhora da Luz.
[Try loving memories opposed to self love]

The Rocha Negra, pictured early one morning on my mobile phone from ‘my rocks’ on the beach.
[Rock on!]

The lovely children of Rabat, Morocco, touched our hearts.
[Child abuse]

Praying at the shrine at Fátima.
[Fake faith]

Meeting the Pope: a very important day – for us and especially for Madeleine. Wherever she is, I know that God is with her.
[You didn't 'meet' his Paypalness and the PR exercise in no way benefited Madeleine.]

The NCMEC age-progressed image of ‘Madeleine, aged six’. The artist used childhood pictures of Gerry and myself, as well as photographs of Madeleine, in creating this portrait.
[Which photograph of Madeleine was used - the last photograph or the one in the pram]

Me at around the same age.
[That's useful]

Several witnesses reported seeing men behaving suspiciously around the Ocean Club in the days leading up to Madeleine’s abduction (full details are given in the Key Sightings section). The witnesses helped to produce images of these men, who have yet to be identified.
[Funny that innit?]

Artist’s impressions of the man and child seen by Jane Tanner on the evening of 3 May 2007, around the time Madeleine was taken. This man was crossing the junction of Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva and Rua Dr Francisco Gentil Martins, which runs alongside apartment 5A. He has never been traced. Did you see him? Was it you, or someone you know?
[That was Julian Totman - or someone similar]

by **crusader** 30.09.19 16:20

Flipping heck Verdi, I thought you'd cracked the case. I feel a strong bond with Praia da Luz- the place I last saw Madeleine.The church of Nossa Senhora da Luz.I didn't see the full stop at first glance.

by **sandancer** 30.09.19 17:55

Verdi wrote:I also felt a compulsion to run up to the top of the Rocha Negra. Somehow, inflicting physical pain on myself seemed to be the only possible way of escaping my internal pain. The other truly awful manifestation of what I was feeling was a macabre slideshow of vivid pictures in my brain that taunted me relentlessly. I was crying out that I could see Madeleine lying, cold and mottled, on a big grey stone slab. Looking back, seeing me like this must have been terrible for my friends and relatives, and particularly my parents, but I couldn’t help myself. And all this needed to come out. I dread to think what it might have done to me if it hadn’t.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN
.................
I seriously doubt either Gerry or Kate McCann would purposely lead the police to a place connected in any way to the disappearance of their daughter - more likely they would divert attention.

River deep - mountain high?

That aside, the book surpasses any best seller the likes of Barbara Cartland could create for melodrama. I can see why folk thought JK Rowling might be the ghostwriter, or even why Kate McCann sowed the seed for folk to think. Kate McCann's autobiographical novel could compare any day to a JK Rowling fantasy.

I , Me , Myself and I .

She couldn't martyr herself more could she !

by Guest 04.10.19 15:31

A FAMILY OF FIVE

~ Madeleine suffered from colic.
~ She cried for the best part of each day for the first four months of her life.
~ When she had one of her screaming episodes her little fists would clench tightly and her face would turn purple with discomfort.
~ Unfortunately for Madeleine, it could strike at any time, not just in the early evening, as is typically the case
~ Needless to say, those early days could be very long and she was constantly in my arms.
~ It’s hard to remember how I managed when I look back and picture myself buttering a piece of toast with one hand holding Madeleine in the other arm and never being able to answer the phone or even go to the toilet unaccompanied.
~ Madeleine and I spent endless days dancing around our living room to the sounds of MTV
~ Poor Gerry would arrive home from work and would hardly have a foot over the threshold before he was handed a roaring bundle while I went upstairs for a loo break, a scream-free moment and a chance to regain the use of my arms.
~ There were several occasions when the three of us would be huddled together in the kitchen, crying – Madeleine with her colic and Gerry and I at the futility of our attempts to take away her pain.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN

More melodrama from the woman herself roll

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by **crusader** 04.10.19 15:41

Harvey's gripe water, don't forget the calpol. I wonder what she advised her patients when they went in with colicky babies.
huddle up together and have a good scrike.

by Guest 04.10.19 16:10

You ain't seen nothing yet! I redacted the above ^^^ for obvious reasons.

This one's a corker..

Gerry and I spent hours running through our checklist – Is she too cold? Is she too hot? Is she hungry? Does she need her nappy changing? – before we were able to accept that this was colic, and this was what happened with colic.

The words of a trained medic - a general practitioner, speaking also of her husband, a trained medic.

by **crusader** 04.10.19 16:19

That is the reason I stay away from doctors. By the time they find out what's wrong with you, you are addicted to drugs. I cant believe she actually put their inadequacy in print.

by Guest 10.10.19 0:46

Friday 4th May 2007

After an hour or so, Gerry, Matt and Jane were taken off for questioning. I remember constantly looking at the clock, counting the hours since we’d last seen Madeleine, my terror mounting with every five minutes that passed. My body, as well as my mind, appeared to have locked down. Bill and Angela went out for food and water for us but I had no interest in eating.

Gerry told us afterwards that when he’d asked about deploying helicopters and heat-detecting equipment in the search, the police officer interviewing him had replied, ‘This is not the UK.’ There were no helicopters and no infra-red cameras, he was told. Gerry was also insisting that they speak to Jes Wilkins, in case he had seen the man and child reported by Jane. In fact, we found out later, an officer with a translator – Robert Murat, the man who had interpreted for me that morning – visited Jes and his partner, Bridget O’Donnell, in their apartment some time the same afternoon.

by Guest 10.10.19 1:22

Kate McCann's autobiographical novel goes into great detail about the group's encounter with Robert Murat in the first 48 hours after Madeleine McCann's disappearance was reported, I won't reproduce it here for that reason alone.

In short, there was a concerted effort to implicate Robert Murat in Madeleine's disappearance, not so much the McCanns themselves, they never commit when there is willing spokesperson on call, but from their 'friends', in particular the infamous quartet - Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien, David Payne and Fiona Payne.

If guilt is overpowering I quite understand the need to find a quick fix but in this instance - why Robert Murat?

Ocean Club staff, guests and lurking strangers were all milling about nillywilly - why not one of them? Why create a lie to implicate a stranger, the one who had been assisting with interview interpretations, a prominent figure during those first few days?

There is little doubt in my mind that Robert Murat's interference in those early hours/days was by design rather than chance but the reason is unclear. On the surface it could easily be concluded that he was a covert employee of the abduction scam - a facilitator to gain confidential information on behalf of the alleged victims - the McCanns. That's how it appears to me but how exactly does that fit in with the deliberate attempt by team McCann to implicate Robert Murat in those early hours/days - only to backtrack and distance themselves soon after?

Why, a diversion of course!

For the record, I don't believe Robert Murat was working for MI5 or any other branch of the UK establishment. The diplomatic corps were swiftly deployed to control the investigation, flying in the face of international diplomatic protocol - do they normally work closely with MI5 in the case of a missing child on holiday with the family? Not to my knowledge!

Still, I digress....

by ferrotty 10.10.19 9:21

I can only summise that they (Gerry Kate Russell etc)thought this through and for Robert Murat help would purposely finger him for the abduction knowing full well that this would inevitably end up in the papers for which he could sue for a substantial sum as his compensation for helping them-easy money.

by sar 10.10.19 10:47

ferrotty wrote:I can only summise that they (Gerry Kate Russell etc)thought this through and for Robert Murat help would purposely finger him for the abduction knowing full well that this would inevitably end up in the papers for which he could sue for a substantial sum as his compensation for helping them-easy money.

...a little byzantine perhaps, but look at the number of "Roll-Backs" (where someone is falsely accused, pilloried by the press, then exonerated and paid out massive lump sums from the press / damages courts) that have been ushered in since? Pop Singers, Murder Suspects, how many times has this happened? Then you add in the phone hacking scandal...not as far fetched as it might seem.

by Guest 10.10.19 12:49

I believe Clarence Mitchell was most certainly instrumental in facilitating the out of court settlements for the McCann duo, particularly Sky News, in itself a staunch McCann champion.

Robert Murat's initial involvement, or should I say interference, with the PJ investigation I think goes a lot deeper than a money making scam - that came later when the opportunity arose.

So much is said about the McCanns mercenary actions in this respect, the fear of speaking out lest you are sued - this is of course nonsense, even the McCanns can't sue without good reason. The dreaded litigious McCann threat is but forum myth - not to say they are not watching so caution is the key word, never present anything as fact without evidence to sustain the claim.

All the while, Robert Murat is following by example for his share of the gravy train bounty. Was/is he litigious? Nah, just an opportunist out to make a quick buck.

Robert Murat, along side Jane Tanner's phantom abductor, feature prominently in Kate McCann's novel covering the first hours/days following the 'missing' alert on the night of Thursday 3rd May 2007.

by Guest 10.10.19 12:57

Kate McCann should be nominated for an Ivor Novello award.

by worriedmum 10.10.19 15:28

Verdi wrote:Kate McCann should be nominated for an Ivor Novello award.

Or a 'I've a novella' award?

by Guest 10.10.19 15:51

worriedmum wrote:
Verdi wrote:Kate McCann should be nominated for an Ivor Novello award.
Or a 'I've a novella' award?

by Guest 15.10.19 15:40

We’d never lied about anything – not to the police, not to the media, not to anyone else. But now we found ourselves in one of those tricky situations where we just didn’t seem to have a choice.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN

by Guest 15.10.19 15:51

Dealing with Madeleine’s disappearance has been almost all-consuming, leaving us little time or strength to address these further crimes against our family.

The appalling loss of our daughter has been too much to bear.

Everything else, however huge, has had to take second place. There is only so much pain human beings can stand at once.

It doesn’t mean the injustices hurt any less. On the whole Gerry and I have managed to dig deep and remain focused, although the temptation to shout the truth from the rooftops has always been there.

There have been many times when I have struggled to keep myself together and to understand how such injustices have been allowed to go unchallenged over and over again. I have had to keep saying to myself; I know the truth, we know the truth and God knows the truth. And one day, the truth will out.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN

[Text reproduced for study and research]

by Guest 15.10.19 15:54

And then some..

Yet publishing the truth is fraught with risks for our family.

It lays us open to more criticism, for a start. We have discovered that there are those in society who will always criticize.

It doesn’t matter who you are, what you do or why you are doing it. We don’t know what motivates these people (although I have a few theories). In the early months, I found such censure incredibly upsetting and sometimes overwhelming.

Our beloved daughter had been stolen from us, we were suffering terribly and I could not begin to comprehend why anyone would want to add to that pain.

As time went on, I was able to shoulder it a little better, either by trying to understand why people did it (unfair as it was) or by simply trying to ignore it.

These detractors didn’t care about Madeleine, so why torture myself by even listening to them? We’ve met many wise people along the way who have stressed the importance of not being derailed by those with their own agenda. It has proved to be good advice.

by Guest 15.10.19 15:55

Missing

Dave [Payne] asked whether we should get the media involved to increase awareness and recruit more help. The reply was swift and unambiguous. ‘No media! No media!’

by **crusader** 15.10.19 16:02

Something sticking in that woman's craw for sure. Wish she would spit it out..

by Guest 15.10.19 16:05

She's done that - it's called venom yes

.

by **sandancer** 15.10.19 16:41

crusader wrote:Something sticking in that woman's craw for sure. Wish she would spit it out..

If she gave in to " the temptation to shout the truth from the rooftops " I'm sure she'd feel much better !

It's not healthy to hang onto emotions , both mentally and physically and in Kate it shows .

Guilt or fear , or a combination of the two ?

Time to speak Kate , there are plenty who will listen , it will set you free .

by **crusader** 15.10.19 16:56

If the book was to Tell the truth, It failed miserably. If it was to try to get folk onside , it failed miserably. If it was to get sympathy, ie money to pay their lawyers & mortgage, it was a success. The one thing that book did do, was to intensify the search for the truth.

by Guest 16.10.19 2:05

My reason for writing it is simple: to give an account of the truth …

Kate McCann

by Guest 19.10.19 0:56

The idea of a monster like this touching my daughter, stroking her, defiling her perfect little body, just killed me, over and over again. It didn’t make any difference that this might not be the explanation for Madeleine’s abduction (and, please God, it isn’t); the fact that it was a possibility was enough to prevent me from shutting it out of my mind. Tortured as I was by these nauseating images, it’s probably not surprising that even the thought of sex repulsed me.

I would lie in bed, hating the person who had done this to us; the person who had taken away our little girl and terrified her; the person who had caused these additional problems for me and the man I loved. I hated him. I wanted to kill him. I wanted to inflict the maximum pain possible on him for heaping all this misery on my family. I was angry and bitter and I wanted it all to go away. I wanted my old life back.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN

[Reproduced for research and study only]

thinking

by worriedmum 19.10.19 11:06

Verdi wrote:The idea of a monster like this touching my daughter, stroking her, defiling her perfect little body, just killed me, over and over again. It didn’t make any difference that this might not be the explanation for Madeleine’s abduction (and, please God, it isn’t); the fact that it was a possibility was enough to prevent me from shutting it out of my mind. Tortured as I was by these nauseating images, it’s probably not surprising that even the thought of sex repulsed me.

I would lie in bed, hating the person who had done this to us; the person who had taken away our little girl and terrified her; the person who had caused these additional problems for me and the man I loved. I hated him. I wanted to kill him. I wanted to inflict the maximum pain possible on him for heaping all this misery on my family. I was angry and bitter and I wanted it all to go away. I wanted my old life back.

madeleine by KATE MCCANN

[Reproduced for research and study only]

'Hating' because, in order,
'Done this to us
Taken away our little girl
Terrified her
Caused additional problems for me and the man I loved
Heaping all this misery on my family
I wanted my old life back'

Dear oh dear, Madeleine's terror is rather outnumbered by other issues here, isn't it?

I wonder what the 'problems' were for Kate and Gerry that these 'added' to?

And if she is still 'findable' shouldn't the tense be present?