Re: Norwegian ex-military detective claims to have solved Madeleine case

by GreenTara 01.08.24 20:25

Wow! So interesting to know this. Someone on the chat kept saying to not engage with Paulo Pereira - I thought that was good advice, so I stopped.
Lovely to see you got a mention Jill - he applauded this forum, and PeterMac too.

by **Jill Havern** 01.08.24 20:28

"A very substantial forum" - with the emphasis on very.

thumbsup

Chief faffer, that's me! paint

by **Ladyinred** 01.08.24 20:33

Jill Havern wrote:And as if I needed any more proof, this formed part of Paulo's complaint

So it wasn't a Nugget watching the forum.

by GreenTara 01.08.24 20:38

Team McCann would have to have had people on there to. Definitely but the pro Madeleine crowd was too big to bring down.

by **Jill Havern** 01.08.24 20:44

Ladyinred wrote:
Jill Havern wrote:And as if I needed any more proof, this formed part of Paulo's complaint

So it wasn't a Nugget watching the forum.

Nope.

But it doesn't matter, because TFD is watching them.

by Cake Lover 01.08.24 20:46

That was brilliant. Bernt seems to have thought of absolutely everything. Although I have to say, I don't think we have been slouches either. I hope there's another podcast, or is that it? There must be panic amongst a few doctors tonight.

by GreenTara 01.08.24 20:46

Jill Havern wrote:So the Portugese complainant is Paulo Alexandre. He's been busy on the forum all day until just after 5pm - and now he's busy over on Bernt's chat. And now that the podcast has ended, Paulo is back on the forum.

Problem solved.

How intriguing - I love detective work like this!

by **Jill Havern** 01.08.24 20:47

I tell you what, Bernt is very knowledgeable about the case...facts, dates, figures, names, places, just roll off his tongue. Boom!

Brilliant podcast about a brilliant book.

Blink first, Kate.

by Cake Lover 01.08.24 20:58

I have no time for Kate McCann and would not give her one second of sympathy, and I don't want her to make even money out of Madeleine. What Bernt said about Gerry McCann, at the end of the podcast, was very interesting, and I hope he is watching out for himself.

by **AnneCGuedes** 01.08.24 21:12

Cake Lover wrote:It is a good one. He says that the McCann's don't want Madeleine to be forgotten. Well, they've got their wish, but perhaps not in the way they imagined.

They want Madeleine to be remembered as their abducted daughter (crucial for them) !

by Cake Lover 01.08.24 21:23

Very few people think that way now,imo. Especially if they have seen the podcast.

by **AnneCGuedes** 01.08.24 21:24

crusader wrote:She does know "something" is still her, her Daughter Madeleine's remains.

Perhaps she knows that her daughter remains were swiftly dematerialised and therefore irrecoverable (hence they were safe), that's why they felt relieved after 48 hours, while they should have felt worse (had child been abducted)

by **crusader** 01.08.24 21:27

I agree, only if they had processed Madeleine's death and knew for sure she was in no distress could they act like they did.

by GreenTara 01.08.24 21:36

I’m not so sure. When they said they thought the abductor had drugged the children, I thought that means they did. They were prepping a cover story in case the drugging was ever proved. Likewise, I think the paedophile, torn genitals etc was also prepping a cover story in case she was ever found. I think the body was findable for that reason. Just very unlikely to be found

by **AnneCGuedes** 01.08.24 22:13

GreenTara wrote:I’m not so sure. When they said they thought the abductor had drugged the children, I thought that means they did. They were prepping a cover story in case the drugging was ever proved. Likewise, I think the paedophile, torn genitals etc was also prepping a cover story in case she was ever found. I think the body was findable for that reason. Just very unlikely to be found

Imo the genitals episode was the ghostwriter's idea. Either K didn't read the book or she did and didn't like the genitals episode but had to accept it as a selling tool.

by **AnneCGuedes** 01.08.24 22:20

crusader wrote:I agree, only if they had processed Madeleine's death and knew for sure she was in no distress could they act like they did.

For me, this is the strongest indication that 1) M has not been abducted and 2) it will never be possible to prove it (unless some deathbed confession involving fear of God).

by GreenTara 01.08.24 22:27

Does anyone know what happens to the comments made on a YouTube live? It was my first time to watch a live today 🥴

by **Jill Havern** 01.08.24 22:28

AnneCGuedes wrote:
crusader wrote:She does know "something" is still her, her Daughter Madeleine's remains.
Perhaps she knows that her daughter remains were swiftly dematerialised and therefore irrecoverable (hence they were safe), that's why they felt relieved after 48 hours, while they should have felt worse (had child been abducted)

If there were no remains, why would they respond to anonymous emails and even send the Nuggets to check?

by Cake Lover 01.08.24 22:33

I think this why Operation Grange will not stop for many years; it's not to investigate Madeleine's death, it's to protect the McCann's. If they are not kept safe, the reason for the cover up won't be safe either. They cannot be separated. In years to come, Op. Grange will become smaller, the McCann's and their holiday friends will come to the end of their lives, and the reason for the cover up will be safe from exposure. The mists of time will see to the rest. Just my imagination, perhaps.

by **Jill Havern** 01.08.24 22:39

AnneCGuedes wrote:
crusader wrote:She does know "something" is still her, her Daughter Madeleine's remains.
Perhaps she knows that her daughter remains were swiftly dematerialised and therefore irrecoverable (hence they were safe), that's why they felt relieved after 48 hours, while they should have felt worse (had child been abducted)

Kate's 'swiftly' remark was about how swiftly Madeleine was removed from the apartment.

by **AnneCGuedes** 01.08.24 22:43

Jill Havern wrote:
AnneCGuedes wrote:
crusader wrote:She does know "something" is still her, her Daughter Madeleine's remains.
Perhaps she knows that her daughter remains were swiftly dematerialised and therefore irrecoverable (hence they were safe), that's why they felt relieved after 48 hours, while they should have felt worse (had child been abducted)
If there were no remains, why would they respond to anonymous emails and even send the Nuggets to check?

Jill, my opinion is that they feared for 48 hours that the remains would be found, then they knew that nothing would ever be found and they breathed again. It's part of their defence, precisely, to pretend to believe that something could/would be found if M was dead.

by **PeterMac** 01.08.24 22:47

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by GreenTara 01.08.24 22:51

AnneCGuedes wrote:
Jill Havern wrote:
AnneCGuedes wrote:
crusader wrote:She does know "something" is still her, her Daughter Madeleine's remains.
Perhaps she knows that her daughter remains were swiftly dematerialised and therefore irrecoverable (hence they were safe), that's why they felt relieved after 48 hours, while they should have felt worse (had child been abducted)
If there were no remains, why would they respond to anonymous emails and even send the Nuggets to check?

Jill, my opinion is that they feared for 48 hours that the remains would be found, then they knew that nothing would ever be found and they breathed again. It's part of their defence, precisely, to pretend to believe that something could/would be found if M was dead.

As Jill said tho, why would they respond to the emails?

by pinkgladioli 01.08.24 23:36

Just to say the ONeil T-shirt there is a photo of Kate wearing it on the solarpix photo site she is standing inside a window looking out it says the date was the 8th May on Getty images it shows Gerry wearing the same T-shirt the photos taken on the rocks along with Michael Wright the date says 9th May There are also separate photos on solarpix of Kate and Gerry dated the 2nd June it looks like they have just come from the Renault he is carrying a bottle of water and what looks like the car keys dressed in long jeans and green timberland polo top while Kate is in long jeans pink top grey hoodie carrying a bottle of water and two flip top mobile phones, I’m sure I seen photographs of them the next day where they have been at the church and they are both dressed in beige and white
Bernt I’m a believer!

by Amy Dean 02.08.24 10:35

by **Ladyinred** 02.08.24 10:59

Thanks to Bernt for the interview, and James English for hosting. Informative, in-depth and compelling.

Obviously msm is gagged, even prevented from reporting that parents separated some time ago.

What next?

by **Jill Havern** 02.08.24 11:06

Bernt's masterplan is on track - we need to trust that he knows exactly what he's doing.

We need to be patient, just like Bernt spent years being very patient on the Hill.

by Liz Eagles 02.08.24 11:07

Ladyinred wrote:Thanks to Bernt for the interview, and James English for hosting. Informative, in-depth and compelling.

Obviously msm is gagged, even prevented from reporting that parents separated some time ago.

What next?

I didn't know the McCanns had separated some time ago. Please expand. This is not MSM.

by Cake Lover 02.08.24 11:11

Can freelance journalists be gagged? If not they have the internet as a platform.

by Cake Lover 02.08.24 11:16

If they have separated, you would expect them to announce it. They're not shy of the limelight, and they could blame everybody who is not on their side. They could even blame Madeleine - 'If she had had an accident, how would that be our fault?' Not a verbatim quote, but near enough.

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