Netflix probes Madeleine McCann disappearance in new documentary

Why  in the Netflix documentary has Sandra Felgueiras  apparently I’m told ,I haven’t watched it ,  betrayed her country by accusing the PJ of  feeding her incorrect information ?

Thanks PeterMac

The stated theory we have been asked to swallow, and which subsequent news stories (such as this one just today) is that Madeleine was stolen to order.

It puts me in mind of Gerry's own words when he said "I don't think there's any credibility to it" in relation to what I presume to be the Shrimpton theory in 2008 (2:58): http://videos.sapo.pt/1tLEwEUWJz6dUqZZAD2Y

He even finds amusing the idea that she might have been moved to Belgium, which ironically was a lead checked out, then presumably ruled out, probably due to Shrimpton's theatrical claims.

The Netflix conclusion has it told pretty much the same way barring blaming foreign intelligences or claims she was killed by lethal injection on an unlisted vessel. I wonder if Gerry finds this newly repackaged narrative similarly incredible?

It's always worth remembering that the McCanns close friend Jon Corner, is a film producer with tentacles far and wide.

Just noticed on the sunday creche record sheet,we have for the parashute activity day Cat Baker, Neil Berry and could that be William Totman 4th child down on the list, they where all in it together ?? Just a thought

Textusa blog and part transcript of Sandra Felgueiras on chat show from Thursday night:
 
http://textusa.blogspot.com/2019/03/sandra-felgueiras-5-para-meia-noite.html#more

@Doug D Thank you.  I've just tried your link but page does not exist.

Sorry, not sure why. Try the main blog link at:

http://textusa.blogspot.com

and it's the top article. http://textusa.blogspot.com/2019/03/sandra-felgueiras-5-para-meia-noite.html

PS

I think this one works:

http://textusa.blogspot.com/2019/03/sandra-felgueiras-5-para-meia-noite.html

Sandra F: "And I love the McCann couple!" Was she being sarcastic? 

Verdi:
 
‘Was she being sarcastic?’


This is a random bit of the programme, away from the interview, where they throw odd questions at their guests. 
 


https://youtu.be/OB7X4FENzJc
 
At 00:54:

Filomena Cautela (FC): Sandra, having met the McCanns made you be in favour of Brexit?

Sandra Felgueiras: Ahahaha, good question ... hey, man I've never been in favour of Brexit

FC: That’s good…

SF: And I love the McCann couple!
 
Watching this bit of the video, I’m just not sure what she actually meant.

Not guilty ^^^, poster was Verity .

Is our growing obsession with true crime a problem?

By Kelly-Leigh Cooper BBC News, Wisconsin - 1st April 2019

From series like Making a Murderer to podcasts like Serial - true crime seems to be everywhere these last few years.

I put my hands up and admit it - I'm an addict.

For reasons even I don't understand, crime documentaries have become my default way to unwind.

If I have friends over, I might make an embarrassed joke about my streaming suggestions - but the evidence suggests I'm not alone.

The genre's growth is inescapable. Almost every week there seems to be a new documentary released and not without controversy.

Some warn we risk glamorising notorious killers and erasing their victims with the coverage. Others have accused programme makers of being selective with evidence.

So is our fascination with true crime problematic? I spoke to victims and the communities directly affected to try and find out.

The survivor

Kathy Kleiner was only 20 years old when she was attacked by Ted Bundy.

He beat her in bed with a piece of wood in the Chi Omega house at Florida State University in 1978.

Before entering her room, Bundy had murdered two of her sorority sisters as they slept.

Kathy was left with a shattered jaw and severe facial injuries. Her mouth had to be wired shut, forcing her to leave college.

Now 61, Kathy says she hadn't spoken about the experience much until US media recently tracked her down.

This year marks 30 years since Ted Bundy's execution. You can probably tell because the serial killer seems to be everywhere in 2019.

In February it was reported that Netflix had paid millions to secure US rights to a new movie starring heartthrob actor Zac Efron as Bundy.

The announcement came as the trailer caused uproar online, with some accusing it of sexualising the killer.

Netflix, who had also just released a series focusing on interviews with Bundy, even weighed in on social media.

I ask Kathy, as one of a handful of survivors, what it was like to be continually reminded of Bundy in popular culture.

"I did not ask to be put on the journey with him in his life - with his killing and his abuse," she says in a phone interview from New Orleans, where she now lives.

But for her, knowledge has meant power.

"I read every book and saw everything I could read and see about him," she says, while acknowledging others may have coped differently.

Efron has adopted Bundy's curls and signature smile for the role - and bears an uncanny resemblance to the killer.

"When Hollywood makes a movie they want it to sell, they want people to see it," Kathy says about his slick portrayal.

"Bundy showed them what he wanted them to see - he was always in control… Zac Efron - he's playing a part - he's an actor. He's doing this the way he was, the way they perceived Bundy."

Kathy says she attempted to contact the studio when she heard about the production, but assumes the email was lost among general enquiries.

She admits that she can't imagine watching as a relative of one of the 30 women and girls he is known to have killed.

"To me they're the heroes during this, having to endure this publicity," she says.

She hopes the movie reflects the victims more than the trailer alludes.

"I don't know how far they dive into the victims," Kathy says. "So without seeing it and if they don't do the victims right - then maybe I'll be pissed."
The community

Wisconsin has the unenviable reputation of being home to some of America's most notorious ever crimes.

Manitowoc County sits on the state's eastern shore. It houses 80,000 residents but is famous around the world for just one - Steven Avery.

A Netflix series charting Avery's wrongful conviction on sexual assault charges and re-incarceration for murder became a sensation on its December 2015 debut.

Hundreds of thousands of people have since signed petitions demanding his and his nephew's acquittal. A second series has already been released and legal appeals are ongoing.

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I travel to Manitowoc at the start of March, when a hangover from an unusually cold winter means snow is still deep on the ground.

Before travelling I try to reach out to local officials - but there seems to be an understandable reluctance to speak to yet another journalist coming to town.

The international spotlight has brought uncomfortable attention to the county and its city namesake.

Now, tourists drive over to the Avery family's Salvage Yard to take selfies. A firefighter tells me the local police have been forced to moderate Facebook comments because of abuse. I'm told threats have forced other officials off social media altogether.

One Manitowoc resident determined not to stay silent is Jason Prigge.

As a businessman working around the country, he says the final straw came when a client introduced himself and asked: "Well, did he do it?" in reference to Avery.

Since then, he and his wife Tina have made it their mission to change the outside world's perspective of Manitowoc. They set up an online web series, The Coolest Coast, to showcase positive aspects of the community like local businesses.

Tina describes the Avery case as a "freak anomaly" and like others I spoke to, points out the Avery property is actually miles outside the city of Manitowoc.

"Reporters come in or somebody from Hollywood comes in to make a show and they get to leave without delving in and really learning who this community is or what it has to offer," Tina says. "To them it's just a name, it's just a story."

"Imagine if you have a bunch of TV crews park outside of your house and they look at your house and they judge you because of one cracked window," Jason says about the negative attention.

"They never talk to people that live in the house, but they just look at the house from the outside."

The couple show me around the area, keen to show it off.

In the cold weather, much of the river is still frozen and has a sparkly glaze. The city's skyline is dominated by industry and a historic courthouse I recognise from the show, but is otherwise full of quaint local businesses like coffee shops and boutiques. It's a postcard image I didn't expect.

They urge people like me not to judge the county and all of its residents from the documentary.

"The cameras and reporters leave but what they've left here is a stain which we're trying to scrub," Jason says of the lasting damage.
The business

Eighty miles south of Manitowoc is Milwaukee - a city known best for its beer and baseball.

But it is also a destination high on the list for America's biggest true crime fanatics.

The Cream City Cannibal tour takes visitors around Walker's Point - the area where serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer lured some of his victims from gay bars.

Its website boasts the tour is "so gruesome that it was banned from Groupon twice".

When it launched, local media covered a protest by victim's families. Critics said it was too soon because the crimes were still in living memory for many.

The tour leaves from Shakers - a bar in the centre of the old gay district. Once owned by the Capone family as a speakeasy and brothel, the location has a dark history of its own.

Current boss Robert Weiss bought it in the 1980s and runs a number of ghost tours from the venue. He says he got the idea for a Dahmer tour when people he met travelling made reference to the killer after he introduced himself as a Milwaukee-native.

Bob also knew the crime well because local police frequented the bar and Dahmer even visited himself.

"I served him drinks for five or six months as he periodically came in," Bob tells me.

About 12 people take the tour on the Saturday night I attend. The weather is freezing cold and it rains and snows throughout.

Those attending are mostly true crime super-fans, but also include a family and a couple celebrating their anniversary.

Our guide talks us through the serial killer's upbringing, alcoholism and journey towards violence.

Dahmer, who admitted killing 17 boys and men, is considered one of the most heinous criminals in US history.

His murders and cannibalism are described in grisly detail by our guide, who points out infamous locations along our walk.

The information is disturbing, but not worse than what you may hear on any Dahmer documentary.

Bob insists the tour has historical and educational value, but I notice his bar also sells T-shirts, which feels at odds with that.

"Of the thousands of shirts that we have sold with that likeness on, have we had anyone complain? We have not," Bob says.

He rejects the assertion they are incendiary, and insists they only started making them because of unprecedented customer demand.

"I think if you are talking about things that are in poor taste, there's any number of other things that would go above and behind what the shirt is," he says, pointing to people who buy morbid artefacts like Charles Manson's artwork.

He also says that he rejected other bad-taste merchandise options, like cannibal-themed food.

Those attending the tour reject the assertion that it's in bad taste or comes too soon.

"I've always grown up knowing about it," says one tour-goer named Alex who is in his 20s. "I think it's just part of our history and rather than hide it and keep it in the background, I think it's important for people to know about it so they can try and avoid it in the future."

Another, Melissa from Illinois, had already been on the tour before.

"I don't think it's disrespectful to the families," she says. "I think it's more of a way of remembering the victims instead of them being forgotten."

She, like me, admits watching a lot of true crime. She believes the addictive nature of streaming services is behind the boom in their popularity.
The experts

Deborah Allen has seen a "huge jump" in audience interest over the last few years.

She is vice-president of programming at Jupiter Entertainment - one of the biggest producers of true crime television in the US.

The company started making murder shows back in 1998, despite initial hesitancy from TV channels.

"It used to be that the networks saw true crime shows as their dirty little secret," she says

In the last decade a number of dedicated 24-hour crime channels have sprung up in the UK and US.

High-budget series may have gone mainstream but there is still a mass of other content made to fill these network schedules too.

The demand means Jupiter now makes about 200 hours of crime shows a year - fuelled by researchers who comb through news stories from around the country.

Deborah says they only cover cases that have been resolved in court, and thinks many viewers take comfort in seeing justice served.

She also says their company listens to victims' families if they object to a case being covered.

But the recent public distress from the mother of James Bulger about a film made about her son's murder shows the family's view does not always prevail.

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It's a similar story behind other popular shows too.

The McCann family did not contribute to a new series about their daughter's disappearance and Theresa Halbach's family have never taken part in Making a Murderer.

The loved ones of 1999 murder victim Hae Min Lee said the attention from Serial "reopened old wounds" for their family. Despite this, HBO have adapted that case into a new documentary series - The Case Against Adnan Syed - which follows on from where the record-breaking podcast took off.

Serial, like many other popular true crime series, focuses on casting doubt on a conviction.

This format has an obvious draw for any audience - allowing them to play detective for themselves.

Some programme makers, including from HBO's The Jinx, have even uncovered new evidence that prosecutors say have helped with cases.

True crime's growing popularity means big business in other areas too. There's now young YouTube influencers covering stories and in the UK, a new glossy monthly crime magazine was recently announced.

In the US, thousands attend CrimeCon every year - an event where fans pay hundreds to see experts and presenters from their favourite series.

A reporter from the New York Post pointed out most of last year's attendees were female - and Bob in Milwaukee has found the same with his Dahmer tour. He describes his average customer as college-educated women aged 25-37.

So why is it that we are so intrigued - is it pure morbid curiosity?

British psychologist Emma Kenny, who regularly features in crime documentaries, agrees that we have a natural tendency to be voyeurs and be attracted to darker things.

This, of course, is nothing new and can be seen throughout human history.

She points to crime's prevalence in other forms of entertainment too - including the dramas we watch and the books we read.

Emma says that watching crime shows can trigger chemical reactions in our bodies while we watch, while also affirming our moral views about right and wrong.

She says an interest in the genre is nothing bad but warns people, including myself, about watching too much.

"I think that for anybody who's watching this kind of stuff you really need to know why you're watching it, I think. Because you don't want to desensitize yourself too much," she tells me.

"Life is best spent around good people doing good things, exposing yourself to the best things in the world that you can expose yourself to… we should never be desensitized to the horror."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47474996

FFS Tracey, the New Statesman article was dated 31 October 2018!
 
'ABSOLUTE LUNACY’ 
Madeleine McCann family pal slams ‘ignorant’ teenage conspiracy theorists who claim Maddie’s disappearance was a hoax or government plot
The crank element of a new generation of young adults have concocted an idiotic theory on social media about the tragic case of missing Maddie


By Tracey Kandohla and Patrick Knox
2nd April 2019, 3:02 pm
Updated: 2nd April 2019, 4:50 pm
 
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8774206/madeleine-mccann-family-slams-teenage-conspiracy-theorists/
 
Not even worth posting any more of this rubbish.
 
What is ‘absolute lunacy’ is The Sun paying out money to people for all these Netflix cut’n pastes.

BIZARRE Generation Z conspiracy theories that Madeleine McCann never existed and her disappearance was hoaxed have been slammed as “complete lunacy”.

For once and only once, I have to agree with Tracey Kandohla here - it is complete lunacy.

It's no wonder they label McCann sceptics as conspiracy theorists.

Hence the reason it's so important to stop bizarre baseless theorizing on CMOMM before it takes hold - as has been seen in the past and still manages to creep in to this very day if permitted.

Take note all those who advocate the right to say ....

Everything free and easy
Do as you darn well pleasey
Why don't you make your way there?
Go there, stay there

Shut up R Trace.

The hoax theory has been out there since very early on and is not new.

Imo if anything is peeing them off is that the nexflix film has brought another generation into the debate.

They can try and shut people up as much as they like but thanks to the internet they will not achieve that.

As long as thecase remains unsolved and as long as the internet exists there will always be people interested and reading the police files which will always be out there now.

Not too many seem to care whether they are angry, peed off or whatever.   SHUT UP R Trace.

I thought the Fathers account of his daughter (the little friend that was in the sail boat with Madeleine) that lost her hat into the water and then Madeleine jumping into the water after it, was quite eye opening if true, to me, it says she was a confident and protective, fearless child to do such a thing at 3 years old.

I doubt there is any truth in this story. If such a heroic event had taken place, we would have heard of it a long time ago.

Catriona Baker rogatory interview - 18th April 2008

I never noted anything strange in Madeleine's comportment during the time I stayed with her. There was one occasion, on Thursday, 3rd of May 2007, around 10H30 in the morning, where she cried at the launch of the yellow safety boat in the ocean where all the children were sailing. She was scared and fearful and cried on my lap "I am scared, I am scared." We only used the launches to transport the children to the small yellow boats. When we returned to the other boat she was happy again. She sailed in the small boat and even though some children had the opportunity to return to the port, she stayed for a second time as she appeared to be having a good time. Jane Tanner's daughter also took part in my group and together they would play. Apart from being a happy child in the club, she always seemed very content when she saw her parents. Madeleine did not demonstrate any fear with the return launch to land.

charyoung wrote:I thought the Fathers account of his daughter (the little friend that was in the sail boat with Madeleine) that lost her hat into the water and then Madeleine jumping into the water after it, was quite eye opening if true, to me, it says she was a confident and protective, fearless child to do such a thing at 3 years old.

I'm sure if this really had happened ( why did Neil Berry sit on his story to almost 12 years ?) Kate would have included it in her " account of the truth "  you know for the twins to read to remind them of their sister .

Lazz is back (unfortunately not the blogger).
 
Haven’t noticed anything from her recently, but she must have been getting right p’d off with everyone & his dog getting paid for nonsense Netflix articles, so she’s jumped back on the bandwagon.
 
Just one problem.
 
I am sure we have been told the Portuguese legal system doesn’t do plea bargaining, (I think GA even brought it up in the Netflix programme) but hey-ho, what does a bit of accuracy matter when you are knocking out rubbish articles ten to the dozen. 
 
 
MADDIE LIE DEAL 
 
Madeleine McCann’s mum Kate was offered outrageous deal by Portuguese cops that if she admitted killing Maddie husband Gerry would ‘walk free’


Heartbroken Kate said a lawyer made the offensive offer just months after her three-year-old daughter disappeared
 
By Antonella Lazzeri
 
5th April 2019, 5:21 pm
Updated: 5th April 2019, 5:31 pm
 
KATE McCann said she was offered an outrageous deal by Portuguese police who told her Gerry would "go free" if she admitted killing their daughter.


In a highly offensive move, cops told Kate she would serve "around two years in jail" if she "confessed" to causing Madeleine's death and hiding her body.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8800534/madeleine-mccann-mum-kate-deal-portugese-cops-killing/

I find the these outrageous articles highly offensive 

Fortunately, I don't read the Sun so my sensibilities are fine.  

It's as if there's a massive propaganda exercise taking place.

Ladyinred wrote:I find the these outrageous articles highly offensive 

Fortunately, I don't read the Sun so my sensibilities are fine.  

It's as if there's a massive propaganda exercise taking place.

Hi Ladyinred, as the Road traffic signs in Portugal depicted, "stop the McCann" Circus?

It seems once again Portugal had the measure or fill of the deceptions from Tapas 7/9, Kate,Gerry, No return to Portugal PJ enactment of Meal at Tapas, speaks volumes of who they were prepared to help, it wasn't a Three year old girl named Madeleine McCann was it?

Perhaps the Sun's headlines are used to defer one's gaze from "Theresa's" political balls up on Brexit, you know,"We'll put Theresa on the Front page of the Sun until, a Re-investigation by UK Police" C/O Rebekah Brooks!?

Maybe they brought out the "documentary" if you can call it that, and followed it up with a media blitz to turn attention away from the Brexit betrayal. Their timing is spot on.

Hi @sharonl and @willowthewisp I think it's related to the case - maybe closing or funding, or emphasising the parents' innocence and the injustices against them.

Ladyinred wrote:Hi @sharonl and @willowthewisp I think it's related to the case - maybe closing or funding, or emphasising the parents' innocence and the injustices against them.

Hi Ladyinred, thanks for your reply, "Parent's Innocence, injustices against them"?

I could not believe that, but for the Family involvement of having Sky News Corporation, have Martin Brunt stalk Mrs Brenda Leyland "Hounded" by them shown on TV every fifteen Minutes for Hrs on end, then told that Mrs Leyland had taken her own life. Rest In Peace, Mrs Brenda Leyland.

Jim Gamble, Martin Brunt, Gerry McCann "Dossier" handed to Sir Bernard Hogan Howe, "Trolls harassing the Family", what about what they dished out, Not One word from any of their mouths of regret, think about it!

Private Eye's take on the Netflix film.

No threat of being sued there.

I have been trying to find the full interview of Clarence Mitchell on This Mornimg on 15.3.19 but have not been able to. There are snippets on the net but not the entire thing? Anyone have a link please?

It's a given that the disgusting Mitchell who masquerades as a man 
was part and parcel of the making of the netflix garbage.

Blackpied wrote:It's a given that the disgusting Mitchell who masquerades as a man 
was part and parcel of the making of the netflix garbage.

Of course he was. The McCann - Amaral dispute continues with the McCanns desperately trying to avoid the coughing up the costs of the legal fees for their failed lawsuit against SNR Amaral. They daren't be seen to be party to a botched attempt to discredit him on Netflix or anywhere else for that matter. That is why it was splattered all over the gutter press, trying hard to ram into us the thought that they had nothing to do with it. Pull the other one, the film was based on bogus evidence engineered by their own PIs, a badly researched & badly written novel by their mates Summers & Swan and interviews with other coverup merchants including some who had been paid off.