Re: Former Detective Inspector Dave Edgar says the motive for taking Madeleine was sexual and insists her parents had nothing to do with her disappearance

by **sandancer** 27.03.17 10:11

Richard D. Hall wrote:A mainstream full front page headline about Madeleine on the Monday of the week my national speaking tour commences when I will be releasing a new film about Madeleine. Strange that, because exactly the same happened last year.

Just proves they are watching you Richard and you worry them deeply !

Why do I get the feeling your tour is going to be a huge success big grin

by Cmaryholmes 27.03.17 10:22

Nearly all the comments attached to this article are very sceptical about the Mccanns, (ones that get past the moderators, whoever they are) and judging by the green/red arrows, very few people are buying their narrative anymore.

by ChippyM 27.03.17 10:37

Cmaryholmes wrote:Nearly all the comments attached to this article are very sceptical about the Mccanns, (ones that get past the moderators, whoever they are) and judging by the green/red arrows, very few people are buying their narrative anymore.

There are plenty that say they don't believe it but maybe 25% that are saying he wants to justify new money after the 85,000 has run out. It just shows how many people don't really read or digest anything past a headline, they think he is something to do with what the police are doing now!

Oh and there are the usual comments of 'enough', 'stop'....playing right into the 'great unsolved case that will be swept under the carpet' scenario.

by pennylane 27.03.17 10:55

ChippyM wrote:
Cmaryholmes wrote:Nearly all the comments attached to this article are very sceptical about the Mccanns, (ones that get past the moderators, whoever they are) and judging by the green/red arrows, very few people are buying their narrative anymore.

There are plenty that say they don't believe it but maybe 25% that are saying he wants to justify new money after the 85,000 has run out. It just shows how many people don't really read or digest anything past a headline, they think he is something to do with what the police are doing now!

Oh and there are the usual comments of 'enough', 'stop'....playing right into the 'great unsolved case that will be swept under the carpet' scenario.

I agree some believe he's official when he's merely a paid for McCann lackey! It's all part of the rife TM propaganda machine that only the dimmest of the dim could possibly be buying into at this juncture (imo).

by second-guessed 27.03.17 11:09

sallypelt wrote:
….the east Belfast man insists the golden-haired youngster is being held just 10 miles from where she was snatched in Praia da Luz two years ago.

But he warned that the sprawling wilderness where he believes Maddie is languishing is almost impossible to search completely.

In a word, "dogs". Dogs are able to search a sprawling wilderness.

by **Jill Havern** 27.03.17 11:18

And with all the millions of pounds they've had available to them that they've supposedly used on forensically testing the twins hair and the hire car etc., they haven't been able to commission dogs to do their own search of the lawless hills where Maddie is believed to be languishing?

Righto.

by ChippyM 27.03.17 11:34

Get'emGonçalo wrote:And with all the millions of pounds they've had available to them that they've supposedly used on forensically testing the twins hair and the hire car etc., they haven't been able to commission dogs to do their own search of the lawless hills where Maddie is believed to be languishing?

Righto.

If it's a 10 mile radius and half that's in the sea...they could have searched it themselves, they might not even need the dogs they say are unreliable!

by jeanmonroe 27.03.17 12:12

I can't really be 'bovvered' but:

Mr Edgar believes 'an abductor has secretly confessed to the crime'
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MAYBE 'they' already have, Dave!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488262/I-deceived-says-Portuguese-priest-comforted-Gerry-Kate-McCann.html

'I was deceived' says the Portuguese priest who comforted Gerry and Kate McCann

Last updated at 10:03 18 October 2007
Father Pacheco, runs two churches and teaches at three local schools, yesterday broke his silence.
The Portuguese priest who comforted Gerry and Kate McCann in the days after Madeleine vanished last night said he had been deceived, it has emerged.
According to reports, Father Jose Manuel Pacheco claimed he had done nothing wrong and was simply "supporting two lost souls."
But he has vowed to take whatever she had said to the grave, despite being quizzed by detectives.
"...after police became convinced Kate had told him she had killed her daughter during confession."

But, he also appeared to say he had been the victim of some form of 'deception'.

According to the Daily Express, he admitted he had become too close to the couple, still official suspects in the disappearance of their daughter.
"I was deceived," he said.
"I was just doing my job supporting lost souls. I would do that with any family who were in their situation. I didn't do anything wrong".
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DE: “We obviously look at all factors – motive, preparation, opportunity – and there was absolutely nothing.”

and "ACCESS", Dave, "ACCESS"!

or?

Access/Opportunity/Motive

Professor David Wilson.
Professor of Criminology at Birmingham City University.

quote
" the first thing i want to say, and i deliberately asked to have this here first, is Access/Opportunity/Motive, because most crimes are actually solved by these TWO issues, Access AND Opportunity.
WHO had ACCESS to the " victim " and WHO had the OPPORTUNITY to use that access to affect the crime?
Hollywood and TV have concentrated on the motive aspect, to make a good tv story, but i tell my students not to. In fact you don't need to worry about motive, CONCENTRATE on WHO had access to the 'victim' and who had the opportunity and then of course most crimes are cleared up.
92% of crimes are cleared up using just the access/opportunity aspects only."

Q1. Who had unfettered access to Madeleine McCann that night?(3rd May 2007)
Q2. Who had the opportunity to cover a crime that night?(3rd May 2007)

If your answer, to the two questions above, is probably only the McCanns and their 'friends' then surely that is where SY HAVE to call them in to be re-interviewed.
Isn't it?
The odds are pretty well stacked in police favour in solving this 'mystery crime' odds are 1/9 ON!

Mr Edgar had a 30-year career with the RUC and Cheshire police and worked on high profile murder cases
He believes it was a planned operation by a lone kidnapper or a gang. (OR 'a gang of lone kidnappers'!)
He fears whoever was responsible 'will have struck again'. He said: “It’s the type of crime they cannot help themselves, certainly if it was sexually motivated.”
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NOT 'struck' AGAIN in PDL though, since 2007, eh Dave?

Former Detective Inspector Dave Edgar says the motive for taking Madeleine was sexual...............

And then Dave says: "...... certainly, IF it was sexually motivated.”

And there I was 'thinking' I had just read, Dave states 'the motive for taking Madeleine WAS sexual'
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There have been a number of cases where victims have emerged after being held in captivity for years.

https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t12081-amaral-supporters-call-time-as-appeal-fund-approaches-eur70000
Orange pickers.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/David_Edgar_12_09_2013.htm

b) Guerra & Paz's lawyer's questions
GP – Did you have access to the criminal process?
DE answers that he read parts of the files in the translation that the McCanns asked to be done.
GP – How did you manage to conduct an investigation without analysing all the process? Whom did you contact in Portugal?
DE says he contacted an informant who passed information to both the UK and Portuguese authorities. He doesn't want to say to whom he spoke, but says he spoke to someone from the PJ.
(Now 'who's keeping 'secrets', Dave?)
GP – Do you know that the McCanns initiated a private investigation?
DE knows.
GP – Was there private investigators before you?
DE says yes but adds he was the first professional one.

Phew! That's alright then!
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DE answers that "he read parts of the files in the translation that the McCanns asked to be done."

That will be the £100,000, paid for from the 'search fund', 'translated' files that SY/MET did NOT USE!

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Emma_Loach_12_09_2013.htm

ID – They were broadcast in how many countries in the EU?
EL doesn't know.
ID – Are they based on the McCann couple's thesis (the abduction)?
EL answers that in the second documentary an investigator (David Edgar, witness 3) says there are many theories but they investigate it on the basis that it was an abduction.

Do tell us, Dave, about 'your' MANY 'theories'!

Detective Sergeant Arthur Cowley and 'Dave', in 'action'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw
Pt 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRQQWmpiO3s
Pt 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXtBWNCFt7U
Pt 3
DE: 'Now, if you stand here, you look there etc.,'
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Former Detective Inspector Dave Edgar says 'the motive for taking (3 years old) Madeleine was sexual............'

So, NO 'harm' there then, Dave?

by Mirage 27.03.17 12:14

Re the blitz of press coverage:

Are the McCanns hoping the general public are going to succumb and say: Okay, okay. We believe you. You told the truth from the start. Those crazy-making stories about smashed shutters, 15 minute listening checks, the small window of opportunity; all that gobbledygook, it's all making sense now.

Everything's as was. We think you're fantastic examples of parenthood, pillars of the community, charitable to a fault. Only please please please no more articles and chat show interviews!

We give in. We believe your stories. We can't take any more torture, any more of those sad faces, any more whooshing curtains and like dining in your own back garden comments.

It's all over for us. We surrender. flag

by Guest 27.03.17 12:22

Richard D. Hall wrote:A mainstream full front page headline about Madeleine on the Monday of the week my national speaking tour commences when I will be releasing a new film about Madeleine. Strange that, because exactly the same happened last year.

Sir - your reputation precedes you thumbup

!

by jeanmonroe 27.03.17 12:25

'serious' question.

If, IF, the 'shite hits the McFann' can 'our' Dave be charged with 'conspiracy to pervert the course of justice'?

Or would he 'say'.............'they ALL completely duped me, 'onest'!

Another 'serious' question.

How 'much' money did Dave and Arthur ('Grabbit&Leggit') 'receive' from the Madeleine's 'fund' to 'fund' their 'professional' erm, 'investigation'?

by sar 27.03.17 12:31

Richard D. Hall wrote:A mainstream full front page headline about Madeleine on the Monday of the week my national speaking tour commences when I will be releasing a new film about Madeleine. Strange that, because exactly the same happened last year.

+1

by Guest 27.03.17 12:36

Mr Edgar believes 'an abductor has secretly confessed to the crime'

Is this profound statement a precursor to next weekends April fools extravaganza? It certainly is very foolish.

Are we to believe that Mr zitman or Mr stink or Mr combine harvester, had a quiet word in ex-DCI Redwoods shell-like - was it conveniently a deathbed confession? Or has Ms DCI Nic 'I nic 'em before they know it' Wall been withholding vital information, like what Redwood did with the Smith e-fits?

Pull the other one Dave.

ETA: Or did the confession arrive by pigeon post, in a plain brown envelope marked for the attention of Gerry and Kate, through the window of the Operation Grange Belgravia offices and straight into the stationary closet - stamped 'urgent'?

by jeanmonroe 27.03.17 12:39

Can't 'wait' for ex DCI Redwood's 'WORLD EXCLUSIVE', 'next week', can you?

'She may be alive, or dead'!

by sar 27.03.17 12:42

sandancer wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:Honestly...do any of Team McCann have any credibility?

Don't they care what all this nonsense does to their careers and reputations?

I wonder if that's why the rest of the Tapas group remain silent ?

Do they feel worried , embarrassed and wish all this and the McCanns would just Go Away ?

drip drip sandancer, newspapers are dying on their feet. EVERY time you put the face of MM on a paper it sells. They are going to spin this out to the bitter end, however long that takes!

by sar 27.03.17 12:45

eta…why bark when you have a dog? Look at the banner headline "quotation" in massive black and white letters?? Don't think we need to say more.

by Guest 27.03.17 12:49

jeanmonroe wrote:Can't 'wait' for ex DCI Redwood's 'WORLD EXCLUSIVE', 'next week', can you?

'She may be alive, or dead'!

by ShuBob 27.03.17 13:18

Good day all. Long time smilie

I had to log in to comment on Edgar's latest offering. I found this bit particularly interesting:

Monteiro, 40, a drug addict and ex Ocean Club worker, who died in a tractor accident in 2009, was also ruled out.
“Yes, he was a suspect but on the files that I saw there was no evidence that he was involved to the level that the Portuguese police thought” said Mr Edgar.

“My understanding is that they were convinced he had done it. They decided it was him. On what basis?”

I am not aware that the PJ ever considered Monteiro a serious suspect in this case. Have I missed something or is Edgar further trying to discredit the PJ? One positive from Edgar's fountain of wisdom is that he's ruling out Hewlett and Monteiro in case SY decide they want to pin it on them.

by ChippyM 27.03.17 14:03

Hi Shubob, it seems like recycled stuff from 2014 which just seems to confirm (not that it's really needed nah

) that he was being prompted to say all this stuff by the McCann P.R. team.

" Portuguese investigators suspected Monteiro of being involved in the sexual abuse of five girls at holiday homes in the region between 2004 and 2006. A Portuguese police source told The Mirror: 'These cases were investigated by local police and Monteiro was arrested. No charges were brought due to lack of evidence.''

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586038/Portuguese-police-say-interviewed-heroin-addict-linked-disappearance-Madeleine-McCann-sex-attacks-five-five-British-girls.html

"High-ranking officers in Portugal are convinced African thief Euclides Monteiro took Madeleine and was responsible for sex attacks on five other British girls before being killed in a tractor accident in 2009........
.......The Sunday Express understands they have asked for forensic work at holiday apartments where sex attacks took place, in their hunt for a breakthrough clue, a fingerprint or hair."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/466378/Scotland-Yard-and-Portuguese-police-fall-out-over-identity-of-key-Madeleine-McCann-suspect

Because they couldn't have been doing forensic work in order to rule him out, or to rule out the connection to 5a, they must have been convinced it was him.....yes, makes perfect sense!

by jeanmonroe 27.03.17 14:10

“I’m talking about TV, posters, letters, text messages, new technology. We’re talking Europe. Get the message out there.”

Oooppss......... Dave?

You seem to have 'forgotten' to 'mention' the GQWB's and T-Shirts from the 'online' store!

Ex-policeman? You'll soon be an Ex-salesman!

"We’re talking Europe"

Oooops Dave!

What about all the countries, 'outside' of Europe where Madeleine's 'been sighted'?

(Your 'mates' at The 'Scum' will give you a 'list', I'm sure!)

by jeanmonroe 27.03.17 14:15

'snipped' from quote above:

"No charges were brought due to lack of evidence.''
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Sounds like when the PJ 'shelved' their first investigation!

And 'confirmed' in a 'recent' court case, iirc! winkwink

by jeanmonroe 27.03.17 15:14

DE: "Someone knows what happened and it's time they came forward."

Well, D Payne knows 'a few things, he considers, are relevant and pertinent to discovering the material truth' (about a 3 years old child's 'disappearance') that he refused to tell an interviewing police officer, dosn't he?.

About 'time' he 'came forward', don't you think, Dave?

Did you and Arthur 'ask' him about the 'few things' he 'knows', Dave?

Thought NOT!

"But he has kept in contact with the probe..." (DE)

'Nic, Nic, it's RUC Dave on the phone, wanting to know ~~and still trying his hardest to find out~~ what we and the PJ have 'got'. He says, 'pinky promise', he won't tell the McCan'ts'

DE: "They can't keep it to themselves and research has shown they always confide in someone else."

'said, Tapas '1' to Tapas '2' to Tapas '3' etc.,'

by Doug D 27.03.17 15:23

Jeanmonroe:

‘Another 'serious' question.

How 'much' money did Dave and Arthur ('Grabbit&Leggit) 'receive' from the Madeleine's 'fund' to 'fund' their 'professional' erm, 'investigation'?’

Easy one that Jean. Just look in the Fund accounts.

What do you mean there’s nothing that can be identified in them (just £421k unclassified campaign costs)?

Try the Alphaig Ltd accounts then.

Well bugger me, nothing in them either and after the company was incorporated on 8^th June 2009, seemingly to do a couple of months ‘work’, then AJC applied to dissolve the company on 9^th May 2011, having posted just these accounts:

Former Detective Inspector Dave Edgar says the motive for taking Madeleine was sexual and insists her parents had nothing to do with her disappearance - Page 2 Alphai10

So where did the money (assuming there was some) go or was it a "back pocket' job?

by jeanmonroe 27.03.17 15:46

Doug D wrote:Jeanmonroe:

‘Another 'serious' question.

How 'much' money did Dave and Arthur ('Grabbit&Leggit) 'receive' from the Madeleine's 'fund' to 'fund' their 'professional' erm, 'investigation'?’

Easy one that Jean. Just look in the Fund accounts.

What do you mean there’s nothing that can be identified in them (just £421k unclassified campaign costs)?

Try the Alphaig Ltd accounts then.

Well bugger me, nothing in them either and after the company was incorporated on 8^th June 2009, seemingly to do a couple of months ‘work’, then AJC applied to dissolve the company on 9^th May 2011, having posted just these accounts:

So where did the money (assuming there was some) go or was it a "back pocket' job?

Well, "if you (Madeleine's Fund) pays peanuts, you gets monkeys!"

by plebgate 27.03.17 16:49

Get'emGonçalo wrote:And with all the millions of pounds they've had available to them that they've supposedly used on forensically testing the twins hair and the hire car etc., they haven't been able to commission dogs to do their own search of the lawless hills where Maddie is believed to be languishing?

Righto.

Good point GEG, but don't forget now - dogs are incredibly unreliable according to some.

by ShuBob 27.03.17 16:55

Thanks ChippyM.

So Edgar believes what he reads in the papers. Tut tut!

by **sandancer** 27.03.17 17:00

plebgate wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:And with all the millions of pounds they've had available to them that they've supposedly used on forensically testing the twins hair and the hire car etc., they haven't been able to commission dogs to do their own search of the lawless hills where Maddie is believed to be languishing?

Righto.
Good point GEG, but don't forget now - dogs are incredibly unreliable according to some.

Lassie ?

Rin Tin Tin ?

Littlest Hobo ?

Pudsey ( dog not bear !)

Scooby-Doo ?

Muttley ?
Still no good ?

Wait I know Skippy he was always so reliable lol4

by Phoebe 27.03.17 17:09

It was a "well planned" abduction, probably involving some "surveillance of the apartment". So well-planned that Mr. Ab. Doctor didn't bring a car and had to gallop through the public streets carrying Madeleine until he allegedly ran into the Smiths - at least that's what Redwood tells us after his "Eureka" moment. Did he not tell you this Dave, you still being so close to the investigation an' all?

by MTSTAR 27.03.17 18:05

Richard D. Hall wrote:A mainstream full front page headline about Madeleine on the Monday of the week my national speaking tour commences when I will be releasing a new film about Madeleine. Strange that, because exactly the same happened last year.

The McCanns and all their lackeys must be absolutely terrified. I wondered why there was this headline. I read the tripe that was written. Do newspapers really think we believe all this rubbish. Looking forward to your new film.
Former Detective Inspector Dave Edgar says the motive for taking Madeleine was sexual and insists her parents had nothing to do with her disappearance - Page 2 Imagegif

by Irene 2 27.03.17 18:50

Rehashed rubbish from McCann non-transparent Co Ltd. The stench of desperation is overwhelming. Now spread far and wide, they are not cleared of involvement in Maddie's disappearance and they are never likely to be cleared. All down to themselves and their dumb arrogance. It had to happen one day.
Best wishes and thanks to Richard D. Hall and Rocky. We're all looking forward to the next installments.

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