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Post by Guest 09.04.12 13:58

justme3 wrote:My thoughts exactly! I've never contributed to the child abuse by the parents debate, but something stinks here. The CATS file obviously exists, and even though I am no expert on this issue, NO ONE has a CATS file without a reason. So, when Madeliene "went missing" and Gerry, at least, has a CATS file , it now makes sense why an "abduction" was their only way out.

And what another coincidence...............he lost his card near DOWNING STREET!

It definitely stinks and surely if it stinks of fish to us, then it should also stink to those currently investigating the whole affair.

The CATS File could easily be investigated by those with the appropriate authority - Scotland Yard perhaps? Even if it is empty, it can give up a lot of useful information - eg. WHEN was it opened . If the file itself doesn't have a date, what is the created date for the file number before and after this one. Dead easy for those with the power and authority to investigate. Then the issue is either closed - the file was opened after 3 May 2007 - or the issue is now a big open can of worms because the file was opened before 3 May 2007.


Same with the credit card - easy to look at transactions for those with relevant power and authority to do so....Let's hope they're asking the right questions and not only looking in one direction

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Post by rainbow-fairy 09.04.12 14:14

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justme3 wrote:My thoughts exactly! I've never contributed to the child abuse by the parents debate, but something stinks here. The CATS file obviously exists, and even though I am no expert on this issue, NO ONE has a CATS file without a reason. So, when Madeliene "went missing" and Gerry, at least, has a CATS file , it now makes sense why an "abduction" was their only way out.

And what another coincidence...............he lost his card near DOWNING STREET!

It definitely stinks and surely if it stinks of fish to us, then it should also stink to those currently investigating the whole affair.

The CATS File could easily be investigated by those with the appropriate authority - Scotland Yard perhaps? Even if it is empty, it can give up a lot of useful information - eg. WHEN was it opened . If the file itself doesn't have a date, what is the created date for the file number before and after this one. Dead easy for those with the power and authority to investigate. Then the issue is either closed - the file was opened after 3 May 2007 - or the issue is now a big open can of worms because the file was opened before 3 May 2007.


Same with the credit card - easy to look at transactions for those with relevant power and authority to do so....Let's hope they're asking the right questions and not only looking in one direction


Indeedy Stewie.

The 'empty' file doesn't wash with me - no way is a file opened if there is nothing to go in it. Not a chance.

Incidentally, I'm not sure even if it was opened after May 3rd it would mean case closed either. I've seen it written that it was a file created after the infamous 'Social Services' visit to Rothley. That can't be right either. It wouldn't be empty in that instance, it would contain details of the meeting and conversations, along with any recommendations - eg No Further Action, Child Protection measures (Sec 47) or Child in Need Measures (Sec 17). It wouldn't be 'empty'.

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Post by anil39200 09.04.12 14:27

As I understand it, the CATS system is spftware used for sharing information between Police and Social Services concerning child protection an d vulnerable ADULTS and is used to build up a picture of the needs of the vulnerable person and the family so that protection plans can be prepared as necessary. Now if that is the case, why would the file be in the name of GM and not in the whole family name? Does the file refer to the vulnerable person, or another familial adult, or a child? Surely in an investigation of a serious crime, medical health records and records of this nature cannot be held back from the investigating police. It is a small wonder why they and their 'followers' cannot understand why people question their 'account'.
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anil39200 wrote:As I understand it, the CATS system is spftware used for sharing information between Police and Social Services concerning child protection an d vulnerable ADULTS and is used to build up a picture of the needs of the vulnerable person and the family so that protection plans can be prepared as necessary. Now if that is the case, why would the file be in the name of GM and not in the whole family name? Does the file refer to the vulnerable person, or another familial adult, or a child? Surely in an investigation of a serious crime, medical health records and records of this nature cannot be held back from the investigating police. It is a small wonder why they and their 'followers' cannot understand why people question their 'account'.

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Exactly. And the file would not be empty... it stinks to high heaven

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Post by justme3 09.04.12 14:57

I've been doing some research into CATS. All I want is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth:

WPC is pleased to announce that it has been awarded the contract to support and maintain CATS – Case Administration and Tracking System which currently has two modules – Child Protection and Domestic Abuse. CATS can also be configured to record information about Vulnerable Adults if required.

The CATS system was developed in the absence of a national database for Child Protection, and in light of the recommendation in Lord Laming’s Report into the death of Victoria Climbie that Chief Constables must ensure that their police force has in use an effective Child Protection database and IT management system. The Domestic Abuse module was developed later to complement the Child Protection system.
System Benefits

• CATS gives police officers a much clearer picture of the child or vulnerable person referred to them. The data collected in CATS can be used to piece together vital information on family background of that individual, helping the officer make more informed decisions.

• CATS may also be used to help identify previous accusations against suspects offering further lines of investigation and valuable information to help assess the safety of the vulnerable person. It may also be used to help identify repeat offenders.

There was nothing in the file, no work had been done as it was not deemed necessary at the required time of enquiry and it was just a registration number. No cover-up, no conspiracy just paperwork and file allocation numbers issued just in case and at the onset of the incident, namely the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

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Post by MrsC 09.04.12 15:03

Does Mrs McCann have a CATS system registration number too?
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Post by rainbow-fairy 09.04.12 15:04

MrsC wrote:Does Mrs McCann have a CATS system registration number too?

Pretty sure they both did...

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Post by tigger 09.04.12 15:07

I still find it strange to create a file without content.
The information given in the link above doesn't give the date the file was created. Which would be of interest. I was under the impression a year ago that it was created a fairly long time before 3/5/07.

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Post by rainbow-fairy 09.04.12 15:12

justme3 wrote:I've been doing some research into CATS. All I want is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth:

WPC is pleased to announce that it has been awarded the contract to support and maintain CATS – Case Administration and Tracking System which currently has two modules – Child Protection and Domestic Abuse. CATS can also be configured to record information about Vulnerable Adults if required.

The CATS system was developed in the absence of a national database for Child Protection, and in light of the recommendation in Lord Laming’s Report into the death of Victoria Climbie that Chief Constables must ensure that their police force has in use an effective Child Protection database and IT management system. The Domestic Abuse module was developed later to complement the Child Protection system.
System Benefits

• CATS gives police officers a much clearer picture of the child or vulnerable person referred to them. The data collected in CATS can be used to piece together vital information on family background of that individual, helping the officer make more informed decisions.

• CATS may also be used to help identify previous accusations against suspects offering further lines of investigation and valuable information to help assess the safety of the vulnerable person. It may also be used to help identify repeat offenders.

There was nothing in the file, no work had been done as it was not deemed necessary at the required time of enquiry and it was just a registration number. No cover-up, no conspiracy just paperwork and file allocation numbers issued just in case and at the onset of the incident, namely the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.



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I've read it before. Considering it comes from a notorious 'Anti' turned 'Pro', I wouldn't take it as gospel.

Just to draw attention to this paragraph;

There was nothing in the file, no work had been done as it was not deemed necessary at the required time of enquiry and it was just a registration number. No cover-up, no conspiracy just paperwork and file allocation numbers issued just in case and at the onset of the incident, namely the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

This just does not stand up to scrutiny. Paperwork and file allocation numbers are not made 'just in case at the onset of the incident', then ignored. At the very least the Social Services visit would be written up inside.[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

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Post by rainbow-fairy 09.04.12 15:13

tigger wrote:I still find it strange to create a file without content.
The information given in the link above doesn't give the date the file was created. Which would be of interest. I was under the impression a year ago that it was created a fairly long time before 3/5/07.

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They wouldn't, tigger.

A file is a receptacle to put info in. No info, no file.



ETA: They wouldn't need to issue allocation numbers 'at the time' - they would just allocate them if they needed to. It's gibberish.

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Post by Guest 09.04.12 15:17

Files are only created if there is something to put into them. If you take the reasoning from regretsandramblings, millions of offices, doctors, companies, would have filing cabinets cluttering up huge amount of space with just names of people on them and totally empty files. It is absolute nonsense, it does not work that way. A file is only created when there is reason to.
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Post by rainbow-fairy 09.04.12 15:24

candyfloss wrote:Files are only created if there is something to put into them. If you take the reasoning from regretsandramblings, millions of offices, doctors, companies, would have filing cabinets cluttering up huge amount of space with just names of people on them and totally empty files. It is absolute nonsense, it does not work that way. A file is only created when there is reason to.
Exactly candyfloss.
The scary thing is people fall for this nonsense.
I was a receptionist. You just do NOT make a file for nothing. Purely ridiculous.

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Post by tigger 09.04.12 15:45

It may be that more than one authorization is needed to delete a file, or perhaps files cannot be deleted at all, since the missing number will show up in the list. So the only option would have been to empty it which may only have required one authorization.
That's my theory, for what it's worth.

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Post by Guest 09.04.12 15:46

It's a bit like your computer. Would you make thousands of files on different subjects, just in case you wanted to put something in there. Of course not, you make a file when there is something to go in it. Total and utter claptrap as usual from the usual suspects.
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Post by rainbow-fairy 09.04.12 16:12

tigger wrote:It may be that more than one authorization is needed to delete a file, or perhaps files cannot be deleted at all, since the missing number will show up in the list. So the only option would have been to empty it which may only have required one authorization.
That's my theory, for what it's worth.

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Post by russiandoll 09.04.12 16:34

ah but.... Rainbow Fairy


"Exactly. And the file would not be empty... it stinks to high heaven"


using the tapas lot's favourite, the passive voice......

maybe IT WAS EMPTIED ??

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Post by rainbow-fairy 09.04.12 16:42

russiandoll wrote: ah but.... Rainbow Fairy


"Exactly. And the file would not be empty... it stinks to high heaven"


using the tapas lot's favourite, the passive voice......

maybe IT WAS EMPTIED ??

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Post by anil39200 09.04.12 17:17

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that any harm has come to the files. I am Sure they are being errr being cared for in someone's lawless in-tray somewhere and giving whoever has them their paperclip's worth. It is simply ludicrous to suggest we are in Any way connected with the abd......errr disappearance of the contents which have clearly been wooshed away. There has been a report of a sighting of a bundle being carried in a pink carrier bag, but history suggests that more information may ne drip fed over the coming years as we errr develop, err learn more . To donate to the search for these errr fil....errr contents or buy a super quality rubber band in case you spot them in a bin on your holidays, please call the following number...
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anil39200 wrote:There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that any harm has come to the files. I am Sure they are being errr being cared for in someone's lawless in-tray somewhere and giving whoever has them their paperclip's worth. It is simply ludicrous to suggest we are in Any way connected with the abd......errr disappearance of the contents which have clearly been wooshed away. There has been a report of a sighting of a bundle being carried in a pink carrier bag, but history suggests that more information may ne drip fed over the coming years as we errr develop, err learn more . To donate to the search for these errr fil....errr contents or buy a super quality rubber band in case you spot them in a bin on your holidays, please call the following number...
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anil39200 wrote:There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that any harm has come to the files. I am Sure they are being errr being cared for in someone's lawless in-tray somewhere and giving whoever has them their paperclip's worth. It is simply ludicrous to suggest we are in Any way connected with the abd......errr disappearance of the contents which have clearly been wooshed away. There has been a report of a sighting of a bundle being carried in a pink carrier bag, but history suggests that more information may ne drip fed over the coming years as we errr develop, err learn more . To donate to the search for these errr fil....errr contents or buy a super quality rubber band in case you spot them in a bin on your holidays, please call the following number...
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Post by anil39200 09.04.12 17:53

Sorry I just needed a little light relief.
Ask the filing cabinet Sondra.
Did it again ooooops, it really is sending me round the bend.
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Post by puzzled 09.04.12 18:26

There's just one thing that puzzles me about this CATS reference - if Gerry McCann had been in trouble for child abuse offences before 2007, wouldn't he have lost his license to practice medicine?

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Post by rainbow-fairy 09.04.12 18:43

puzzled wrote:There's just one thing that puzzles me about this CATS reference - if Gerry McCann had been in trouble for child abuse offences before 2007, wouldn't he have lost his license to practice medicine?
Now that, I really don't know. I suppose it would depend on level of seriousness (in my eyes, its all serious) and when it was.
I'm pretty sure policemen can carry on, so doctors probably the same.
I remember reading about a policeman (I think he'd collected images) and he was not kicked out iirc?

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Post by Guest 09.04.12 18:47

I rather think that the question of whether or not someone convicted of a crime against a child or of downloading porn keeps their job depends on who their friends are.
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Post by rainbow-fairy 09.04.12 18:57

Jean wrote:I rather think that the question of whether or not someone convicted of a crime against a child or of downloading porn keeps their job depends on who their friends are.
Agreed Jean. As seems to be evidenced over and over in this case.,.

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Post by uppatoffee 09.04.12 19:41

Presumably they would have to be charged and convicted to lose their job. Perhaps a reported incident that was never brought to court may sit on file in case of any future incidents? Perhaps PeterMac could shed some light?
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