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Lifeguards under pressure because parents think their missing children "might be the next Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham" - Daily Mirror report, 1 Nov 2016

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Lifeguards under pressure because parents think their missing children "might be the next Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham" - Daily Mirror report, 1 Nov 2016

Post by Tony Bennett on 02.11.16 0:01

It didn't take long after the month-long blitz about the 'digger driver death' of Ben Needham for the media to come up with this:


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/worried-parents-fearing-missing-children-9174096


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Lifeguards at a British beach where seven people died last summer claim they are being stretched by parents thinking their missing children are the next "Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham".

Rother District Council officer Robert Cass told an inquest another difficulty for lifeguards at Camber Sands beach, East Sussex, was an increase in the number of people unable to understand English.

As many as 25,000 people can use the beach on a single day.

Rother District Council officer Robert Cass said it takes up "a lot of our time" because the rightfully worried parents are "thinking they have the next Ben Needham or Maddie McCann."

Lifeguards have to deal with 40 to 50 missing children each summer, he added.

"The nature of Camber is that it has a lot of flat sandbars.

"This makes it popular with young families, 95 per cent of the issues we deal with are land-based, such Weaver fish stings and reuniting lost children, which we get about 40 to 50 children.

"This takes a lot of our time with worried parents thinking they have the next Ben Needham or Maddie McCann..."

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Re: Lifeguards under pressure because parents think their missing children "might be the next Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham" - Daily Mirror report, 1 Nov 2016

Post by April28th on 02.11.16 0:25

'thinking their missing children are the next "Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham'

How many ctrl+v does it take before an article ceases to be journalism?
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Re: Lifeguards under pressure because parents think their missing children "might be the next Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham" - Daily Mirror report, 1 Nov 2016

Post by Verdi on 02.11.16 0:39

Gawd give me strength! 

Madeleine McCann allegedly disappeared in the middle of the night from her bed at the Ocean Club holiday resort - Ben Needham allegedly disappeared in the middle of the day whilst playing outside/inside a derelict building surrounded by fig trees and an olive grove.
 
What the hell has that got to do with lifeguards?  The invasion of the wayward giant amphibious squid or the return of the dreaded killer air cushioned vehicular deep fried sea-bass? 

Done up like a kipper - hook line and stinker.

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Re: Lifeguards under pressure because parents think their missing children "might be the next Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham" - Daily Mirror report, 1 Nov 2016

Post by jeanmonroe on 02.11.16 1:06

Rother District Council officer Robert Cass said it takes up "a lot of our time" because the rightfully worried parents are "thinking they have the next Ben Needham or Maddie McCann."

Lifeguards have to deal with 40 to 50 missing children each summer, he added.
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So how 'many' of these '40 to 50' 'missing' children are actually 'missing' after each summer?

Are these 'missing' children, included in the 'numbers' at the Missing People 'charity'?

How many CRA's have been 'activated' by Rother District Council/NCA, this year, at Camber Sands?

40-50, at the very least, i should imagine!

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Post by Verdi on 02.11.16 1:14

@jeanmonroe wrote:Rother District Council officer Robert Cass said it takes up "a lot of our time" because the rightfully worried parents are "thinking they have the next Ben Needham or Maddie McCann."

Lifeguards have to deal with 40 to 50 missing children each summer, he added.
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So how 'many' of these '40 to 50' 'missing' children are actually 'missing' after each summer?

Are these 'missing' children, included in the 'numbers' at the Missing People 'charity'?

How many CRA's have been 'activated' by Rother District Council/NCA, this year, at Camber Sands?

40-50, at the very least, i should imagine!
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Re: Lifeguards under pressure because parents think their missing children "might be the next Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham" - Daily Mirror report, 1 Nov 2016

Post by Cmaryholmes on 02.11.16 9:20

'Missing' - as in briefly separated from parents on a large crowded beach and reunited after a few panic filled minutes. I presume. Journalists these days can't write anything without referring to well known people or cases to infuse drama into their non stories.

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Re: Lifeguards under pressure because parents think their missing children "might be the next Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham" - Daily Mirror report, 1 Nov 2016

Post by Equity on 02.11.16 9:42

How many parents at Camber Sands immediately phoned their relatives to tell them the windbreak had been 'jemmied' and the lifeguards think a gang of paedophiles are responsible?

On a more serious note...

If the plan for the evening of May 3rd 2007 was premeditated to fake an abduction wasn't it a particularly ridiculous plan? Among other things, it opened up the whole group to accusations of child neglect - not something you would bring upon yourself when there are so many other options... going to the beach being just one example.

Late afternoon, approach the Lifeguard and say "our daughter has gone missing - we took our eyes off her for a few seconds and she disappeared". No accusations of child neglect, no egg man, no jemmied shutters, blowing curtains, room checks, door angle variations, timelines on colouring books, supernatural photoshopping skills, EXIF data, sun angles, shadows, upside down sunglasses, creche entries, substitute children, Murat, nannies, Smith family, cadaver dogs, conspiracy of silence, rogatory interviews etc etc etc.

Rather than try and explain why they had to go with the plan they did, just think how easy it would have been to come up with a scenario to report your child missing from the beach and not involve anyone else - just tell the police you saw a suspiciously swarthy, foreign looking couple, who disappeared at the same time? And that's it - no more detail is required as you were doing what everyone does on the beach - nada.

They could still have organised a fund and everything else associated with team McCann the only difference being almost everyone would have believed them and felt sorry for them. KM could be PM by now and GM presenting the lottery show on saturdays.

Only posted this here because of the number of children who get lost on every beach in the world every year.

Why on earth did they choose such an unbelievably convoluted plan if they had at least a couple of days to realise how stupid it was and how bad they would all look?

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Post by whatsupdoc on 02.11.16 11:31

Equity: I agree and I expect many others would have thought that a simple lost at the beach would have been the best way out of a complicated problem. It appears to me to have been very involved as the medical details were never produced. Why was there so much evidence that the dogs found?

We are not privy as to why they went for a string of easily proven lies such as shutters, doors, windows and weather conditions.

It would appear that generating publicity and making a lot of money came into the plans.
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Re: Lifeguards under pressure because parents think their missing children "might be the next Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham" - Daily Mirror report, 1 Nov 2016

Post by Cmaryholmes on 02.11.16 11:46

It would be hard to fake an abduction from a public beach, as there would have been a considerable number of people around during the day, presumably.

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Re: Lifeguards under pressure because parents think their missing children "might be the next Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham" - Daily Mirror report, 1 Nov 2016

Post by whatsupdoc on 02.11.16 12:03

@Cmaryholmes wrote:It would be hard to fake an abduction from a public beach, as  there would have been a considerable number of people around during the day, presumably.


What was the plan?

...to say Madeleine had gone missing?   wandered off and been taken by a stranger?

Or was it a veiled plan that there are abductions which most people don't know about?

Since the weather wasn't very good that week, I would have thought the beach wasn't very busy but she could still have wandered off the beach and got lost.

Simple excuses don't demand involved answers.

Maybe the plan was to distract the Public from other matters, which it has.
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Re: Lifeguards under pressure because parents think their missing children "might be the next Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham" - Daily Mirror report, 1 Nov 2016

Post by Bayonne on 02.11.16 14:54

IMO they couldn't have said she was taken from anywhere else except the apartment. If I found myself in a situation in a holiday apartment with a dead child I would know I could not say the child had been abducted from a beach or anywhere else because the child would have to have been in that location first to be taken or wander off. The child would have to be alive to start with. They had little choice except to say she had gone from the apartment. The tale that followed had to fit with that scenario.

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Post by Verdi on 02.11.16 15:15

@Bayonne wrote:IMO they couldn't have said she was taken from anywhere else except the apartment. If I found myself in a situation in a holiday apartment with a dead child I would know I could not say the child had been abducted from a beach or anywhere else because the child would have to have been in that location first to be taken or wander off. The child would have to be alive to start with. They had little choice except to say she had gone from the apartment. The tale that followed had to fit with that scenario.
I agree 100%.  Apartment = no witnesses,with the exception of the ficticious visit by David Payne somewhere between 5:00 pm and 7:00 pm, depending on which version you read.  Then there was Jane Tanner's imaginary sighting of a fully 'not dressed like a tourist' man, skulking about the streets with a child of around Madeleine's age wearing pyjamas that could matchthose worn by Madeleine on the night of her alleged disappearance.

All the makings of a staged abduction - try that down the beach or around the swimming pool.

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Re: Lifeguards under pressure because parents think their missing children "might be the next Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham" - Daily Mirror report, 1 Nov 2016

Post by sandancer on 02.11.16 15:29

@Cmaryholmes wrote:'Missing' - as in briefly separated from parents on a large crowded beach and reunited after a few panic filled minutes. I presume. Journalists these days can't write anything without referring to well known people or cases to infuse drama into their non stories.
As a toddler I went "missing " on the beach while on holiday, I was found watching the Punch and Judy being looked after by two older girls who were sharing their ice creams with me  nod . Happy innocent days , no thoughts of abduction I'd just wandered off and was quite content. Kids have done this since the year dot !
It seems nothing can be put in print these days without adding someone famous/infamous to the mix ,as usual look over here not over there  aaagh
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Re: Lifeguards under pressure because parents think their missing children "might be the next Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham" - Daily Mirror report, 1 Nov 2016

Post by Equity on 02.11.16 17:42

@Bayonne wrote:IMO they couldn't have said she was taken from anywhere else except the apartment. If I found myself in a situation in a holiday apartment with a dead child I would know I could not say the child had been abducted from a beach or anywhere else because the child would have to have been in that location first to be taken or wander off. The child would have to be alive to start with. They had little choice except to say she had gone from the apartment. The tale that followed had to fit with that scenario.
A popular theory is that something happened to MBM sometime earlier in the week. They would therefore have plenty of time to plan the staged abduction.

Just because the 'accident' occurred in the apartment would in no way necessitate the staged abduction having to take place in the same location. In fact the opposite is true as a good plan would be to try and ensure a forensic investigation of the apartment never took place at all.

If you consider the amount of imagination required to make some sense of all the twists and turns of the mystery of MBM's disappearance it takes very little effort to imagine how easy it would be to plan a fake disappearance scenario from somewhere like a beach (not a swimming pool for obvious reasons). You would remove around 99% of the information current theories are based on as well as all the suspicion and negativity regarding their childcare arrangements.

Confusion is good and nothing is more confusing than to have virtually no data to start with.

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Post by Roxyroo on 02.11.16 19:18

@whatsupdoc wrote:
@Cmaryholmes wrote:It would be hard to fake an abduction from a public beach, as  there would have been a considerable number of people around during the day, presumably.


What was the plan?

...to say Madeleine had gone missing?   wandered off and been taken by a stranger?

Or was it a veiled plan that there are abductions which most people don't know about?

Since the weather wasn't very good that week, I would have thought the beach wasn't very busy but she could still have wandered off the beach and got lost.

Simple excuses don't demand involved answers.

Maybe the plan was to distract the Public from other matters, which it has.


Yes, once the PTB realised they could use Madeleine's "abduction " for distracting the public they gave them their backing?

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Re: Lifeguards under pressure because parents think their missing children "might be the next Madeleine McCann or Ben Needham" - Daily Mirror report, 1 Nov 2016

Post by Verdi on 02.11.16 21:03

@Equity wrote:
Just because the 'accident' occurred in the apartment would in no way necessitate the staged abduction having to take place in the same location. In fact the opposite is true as a good plan would be to try and ensure a forensic investigation of the apartment never took place at all.

If you consider the amount of imagination required to make some sense of all the twists and turns of the mystery of MBM's disappearance it takes very little effort to imagine how easy it would be to plan a fake disappearance scenario from somewhere like a beach (not a swimming pool for obvious reasons). You would remove around 99% of the information current theories are based on as well as all the suspicion and negativity regarding their childcare arrangements.

As I previously said, apartment = no witnesses.  A crowded place like the beach could lead to any number of complications to a faked abduction - such as independent witnesses, holidaymakers photographs and CCTV cameras to name but three.  Enough to send poor old Jim Gamble into overdrive.

There is no evidence to confirm that Madeleine McCann met her fate in apartment 5a, the dogs Eddie and Keela alerted to cadavarine scent and blood scent but that doesn't necessarily mean Madeleine actually died in the apartment - it could have happened elsewhere and the body passed through apartment 5a for some reason - or it could even be by way of cross contamination.

The childcare arrangements (?) were perfectly engineered to create an abduction scenario - a means to an end.

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Post by JohnyT on 02.11.16 21:11

.......or you could go sailing....people do fall overboard.........no need to involve anybody else.
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