Madeleine McCann dumped in lake (Daily Mirror) and EXPRESS 30 Nov - 3 witesses to be questioned who arrived on the scene soon after Maddie was abducted

Looks like the latest spin in #McCann case is that the PJ ignored a tip-off that Madeleine was dumped in a lake.

I imagine that the tip off came from someone associated Metodo 3 who seemed to leading the PJ away from the truth


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sharonl wrote:Looks like the latest spin in #McCann case is that the PJ ignored a tip-off that Madeleine was dumped in a lake.

I imagine that the tip off came from someone associated Metodo 3 who seemed to leading the PJ away from the truth


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A letter handed in to Portuguese police claimed to know the final resting place [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] it has emerged.
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] found the letter in the doorway of apartment 5A, where Madeleine vanished, on the first anniversary of her disappearance.
The handyman, who we are not naming but was formerly employed by the holiday resort, immediately handed in the note to the police in May 2008.
He described the letter as being headed: “Madeleine Beth McCann”, with a description below of how she had been dumped in the Barragem da Bravura reservoir, nine miles from the holiday resort.
He said: “It was raining that night so it was soaking wet when I found it. It clearly said Madeleine’s name at the top. It was written in Portuguese.
“Beneath it was a location for what it claimed was her final resting place.
“I spoke to the other staff about it and they said to hand it in to the Portuguese police. I gave it to them, but I have no idea what they did about it.
“It would be the perfect place to hide a body

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The Daily Mirror must be desperate for a story. This was reported in the Daily  Mail on 15 March 2008



 Bag of small bones found in reservoir where lawyer claims Madeleine McCann's body was dumped
By TOM WORDEN
Last updated at 11:10 15 March 2008

Divers searching a reservoir for Madeleine McCann yesterday found a plastic bag containing small bones.


Police experts were last night examining the gruesome find at the lake only 20 minutes from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, where Madeleine - three at the time - disappeared last May.

Her parents Gerry and Kate McCann were told immediately by a private detective monitoring the search. Portuguese lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia, who sponsored the dive, says he was acting on an underworld tip-off that Madeleine was murdered and her body thrown in a lake within 48-hours of being snatched.

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Stop wasting everyone's time, read the [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] case files "GNR carried out searches as the Bravura dam" [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Daily Express: Wednesday 15th October 2007

By David Pilditch and Martin Evans in Praia Da Luz

Police divers were last night preparing to trawl a reservoir in the hunt for Madeleine McCann.

Detectives believe her body may have been weighed down with rocks and dumped in the Barragem de Bravua lake nine miles from Praia De Luz.

The search is one of a series to be carried out in the next few days, a Portuguese newspaper claimed yesterday.

The operations will centre on an area within a 10-mile radius of the Ocean Club apartment from where Madeleine disappeared on May 3, aged three.

Under the orders of Paulo Rebelo, who now heads the investigation, search teams will also comb a three-mile stretch of beaches and rugged coastline between Praia da Luz and Burgau.

And mobile phone trackers will be bought in to pinpoint the movements of Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry, and their friends in the days after she vanished.

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I don't know who are the bigger fools; the newspapers for printing such lies, or me for reading them.

Who released this shit to the Daily Mirror?

This morning I thought 'when will there be another sighting?" I thought it because there can't be.

So here is the equivalent of a sighting. All leaked by whom?

aquila wrote:Who released this shit to the Daily Mirror?

This morning I thought 'when will there be another sighting?" I thought it because there can't be.

So here is the equivalent of a sighting. All leaked by whom?

This tosh is even being reported on the BBC TV news

Have a look at the video on the Daily Mirror's latest report.

aquila wrote:Have a look at the video on the Daily Mirror's latest report.

Watched it. Gardner says he found and handed in the note/letter. Says it was raining on the night (of the 3rd May?)

Looks like this video was filmed secretly too. 

Guy seems a bit shifty and nervous. What do others think?

sallypelt wrote:The Daily Mirror must be desperate for a story. This was reported in the Daily  Mail on 15 March 2008

Bag of small bones found in reservoir where lawyer claims Madeleine McCann's body was dumped
By TOM WORDEN
Last updated at 11:10 15 March 2008

Divers searching a reservoir for Madeleine McCann yesterday found a plastic bag containing small bones.


Police experts were last night examining the gruesome find at the lake only 20 minutes from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, where Madeleine - three at the time - disappeared last May.

Her parents Gerry and Kate McCann were told immediately by a private detective monitoring the search. Portuguese lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia, who sponsored the dive, says he was acting on an underworld tip-off that Madeleine was murdered and her body thrown in a lake within 48-hours of being snatched.

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@ sallypelt

NO, this is a different story, about a different dam.

The story you refer to is about the searches made by lying lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia at the Arade Dam (different dam) in January and March 2008, about which I've written extensively

Exclusiffff?


15 Oct 2007


LONDON, Oct. 15 (UPI) -- The parents of missing 4-year-old [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] were said to be “dismayed but realistic” that police in Portugal are looking for a body.
Gerry and [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] have not given up hope on finding their daughter alive, but Portuguese police are expecting on finding her dead, The Sun reported.
The police's most recent plan is to drag the Barragem da Bravura lake, also known as the “Reservoir of the Wilderness," the British newspaper said.

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TM can now use the search fund money for an underwater operation?
Or?

Slow news day? Do a McCann story!

In my opinion, as always.

Brian Griffin wrote:Slow news day? Do a McCann story!
In my opinion, as always.

But this is a Dead Madeleine story = Fund fraudulent story

PeterMac wrote:

Brian Griffin wrote:Slow news day? Do a McCann story!
In my opinion, as always.

But this is a Dead Madeleine story = Fund fraudulent story

Very true PeterMac, between the lines. How many people though read between the lines, all they will do will knock the PJ yet again. All imo.

PeterMac wrote:

Brian Griffin wrote:Slow news day? Do a McCann story!
In my opinion, as always.

But this is a Dead Madeleine story = Fund fraudulent story

Can the fund only be considered fraudulent if it is proven the McCanns (or anyone involved with running it) knew that Madeleine was dead? If SY build a case that a burglar killed Maddie and dumped her body...surely that would let the McCanns & co off the hook in more ways than one?

nomendelta wrote:

PeterMac wrote:

Brian Griffin wrote:Slow news day? Do a McCann story!
In my opinion, as always.

But this is a Dead Madeleine story = Fund fraudulent story

Can the fund only be considered fraudulent if it is proven the McCanns (or anyone involved with running it) knew that Madeleine was dead? If SY build a case that a burglar killed Maddie and dumped her body...surely that would let the McCanns & co off the hook in more ways than one?

As to your first question, not really sure if there would be anything else to deem the fund as fraudulent other than what you mention.
SY would first have to have some solid forensic evidence linking that person/s to Madeleine's death.
If Madeleine's remains are ever recovered they would be skeletonised by now i would imagine, especially if her remains are recovered from water. But if she did receive a fractured skull or any other fractures i think they would be able to see that on the bones, and if that was the case they might then be able to determine a cause of death. Then hopefully forensic evidence would be able to tie in to possibly what happened to her.
There is already forensic evidence from the cadaver and blood detected in the McC holiday apartment and in the hire car, clothing etc.

sallypelt wrote:The Daily Mirror must be desperate for a story. This was reported in the Daily  Mail on 15 March 2008



 Bag of small bones found in reservoir where lawyer claims Madeleine McCann's body was dumped
By TOM WORDEN
Last updated at 11:10 15 March 2008

Divers searching a reservoir for Madeleine McCann yesterday found a plastic bag containing small bones.


Police experts were last night examining the gruesome find at the lake only 20 minutes from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, where Madeleine - three at the time - disappeared last May.

Her parents Gerry and Kate McCann were told immediately by a private detective monitoring the search. Portuguese lawyer Marcos Aragao Correia, who sponsored the dive, says he was acting on an underworld tip-off that Madeleine was murdered and her body thrown in a lake within 48-hours of being snatched.

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So was it ever reported on whose bones they were, animal or human?

PeterMac wrote:

Brian Griffin wrote:Slow news day? Do a McCann story!
In my opinion, as always.

But this is a Dead Madeleine story = Fund fraudulent story

She is an alive, findable child, living the dream with a kind childless couple.

The DM have harmed this search and should be sued immediately.

They should, given the Season that is approaching,  make a generous out of court settlement to the fund/limited company.  A million might help ease the pain. After all, they had expected a boost courtesy of Snr Amaral by now, but as usual the useless Portugese courts messed that up.

Imo.

Joss wrote:

nomendelta wrote:

PeterMac wrote:

Brian Griffin wrote:Slow news day? Do a McCann story!
In my opinion, as always.

But this is a Dead Madeleine story = Fund fraudulent story

Can the fund only be considered fraudulent if it is proven the McCanns (or anyone involved with running it) knew that Madeleine was dead? If SY build a case that a burglar killed Maddie and dumped her body...surely that would let the McCanns & co off the hook in more ways than one?

As to your first question, not really sure if there would be anything else to deem the fund as fraudulent other than what you mention.
SY would first have to have some solid forensic evidence linking that person/s to Madeleine's death.
If Madeleine's remains are ever recovered they would be skeletonised by now i would imagine, especially if her remains are recovered from water. But if she did receive a fractured skull or any other fractures i think they would be able to see that on the bones, and if that was the case they might then be able to determine a cause of death. Then hopefully forensic evidence would be able to tie in to possibly what happened to her.
There is already forensic evidence from the cadaver and blood detected in the McC holiday apartment and in the hire car, clothing etc.

Exactly, SY simply can't explain away the burglar theory. When it takes (roughly) at least an hour and a half for cadaver odour to permeate.

IMO the investigation about the lake, isn't about searching the lake as reported years ago. It's about who sent the note and why exactly.

As far as I know Barragem do Bravura has not been searched before in connection to MM. Barragem do Arade was searched in 2008. A search instigated and paid for by Marcos Aragao Correia.

The only relevant matters regarding the Daily Mirror are, is it free and does it make a better fire lighter than the Metro.

Exactly, SY simply can't explain away the burglar theory.  When it takes (roughly) at least an hour and a half for cadaver odour to permeate.

Less than that in an infant, more like 30 mins and sometimes less than that in the right environment (warm/humid)

Question: Where would the best place be, to hide a body?

Anwer: In a place that has already been searched.

Just a thought!

[size=34]Madeleine: Police Divers To Trawl Reservoir[/size]

Sky News 12:40, UK, Monday 15 October 2007


A reservoir is being scoured by specialist police divers as the hunt for Madeleine McCann intensifies.
Detectives are said to be preparing to search a 10-mile area around Praia da Luz, where the child vanished on May 3.
The hunt is also focusing on the Barragem da Bravura reservoir, which is around 15 miles away from the Algarve resort.
Paulo Rebelo, the man who is now heading the investigation, has ordered his officers to search the 2.5 mile-wide reservoir.
His investigators are also set to comb a three-mile stretch of coastline and beaches near Praia da Luz.
A spokesman for Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry McCann said: "Any widening of the search area is encouraging and we welcome it."
The previous investigation team was criticised for not searching properly for Madeleine, who went missing shortly before her fourth birthday.
Mr Rebelo has assembled a team of specialist detectives to boost the investigation, including two murder experts.
Portuguese newspaper Diario De Noticias claimed the search areas were related to mobile phone calls made by Madeleine's parents and their friends.


Ooopps!


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But I am not sure where--wondering if anyone else has a similar recollection? I usually read this site for info. on the case, but I also have read much of the files and GA's book, and some other blogs & Web sites here and there. It seems that not too long ago I read a description of Kate telling some kind of investigator/reporter/??? that it would not be a good idea (not in so many words, but it seemed she was averse to the idea) to investigate a certain area--I think the area was indeed a body of water not too far from their apt. I noted her comment at the time b/c obviously it would seem to suggest that one should indeed search the area in question. I know this is very vague, but I'm wondering if any other readers of this forum have come across this incident? I will continue to try to find where I read it and will repost if I can.

What sort of parents would "Welcome" a search for the decomposing or disarticulated body of their eldest child.
"WELCOME" is the word they are said to have used - (Though it was probably Goebells-chell )

How many other ways could it have been put
"Parents accept that this has to be done in an effort to find the truth
Parents fearful and under great stress as they await the results
Parents resigned to the fact that all avenues have to be explored'

But no. We are told they WELCOME
verb [ trans. ]
. . .
• react with pleasure or approval to (an event or development)

PeterMac wrote:What sort of parents would "Welcome" a search for the decomposing or disarticulated body of their eldest child.

The type who know there will be nothing found there and it's a very 'welcome' diversion.

[quote="violet6000"]But I am not sure where--wondering if anyone else has a similar recollection? I usually read this site for info. on the case, but I also have read much of the files and GA's book, and some other blogs & Web sites here and there. It seems that not too long ago I read a description of Kate telling some kind of investigator/reporter/??? that it would not be a good idea (not in so many words, but it seemed she was averse to the idea) to investigate a certain area--I think the area was indeed a body of water not too far from their apt. I noted her comment at the time b/c obviously it would seem to suggest that one should indeed search the area in question. I know this is very vague, but I'm wondering if any other readers of this forum have come across this incident? I will continue to try to find where I read it and will repost if I can.[/quote

]Earlier a police expert wearing white protective gloves had examined the bones at the lakeside

Criminal lawyer Mr Correia has spent thousands of pounds on the search.

He insists he was told by criminals that Maddie, who was three when she disappeared, had been raped, murdered and dumped in a lake in the area within 48 hours of being snatched.

However Maddies parents have previously dismissed him as a self-publicist and said there is no evidence of a link to the reservoir.

Referring to Mr Correia, Mr Mitchell added: 'You have to question what this mans motives are.

'He has done nothing but try and get publicity for himself and has caused extreme distress to Madeleines parents.'

woodforthetrees wrote:

PeterMac wrote:What sort of parents would "Welcome" a search for the decomposing or disarticulated body of their eldest child.

The type who know there will be nothing found there and it's a very 'welcome' diversion.

Well quite !

Sceptic wrote:

violet6000 wrote:But I am not sure where--wondering if anyone else has a similar recollection? I usually read this site for info. on the case, but I also have read much of the files and GA's book, and some other blogs & Web sites here and there. It seems that not too long ago I read a description of Kate telling some kind of investigator/reporter/??? that it would not be a good idea (not in so many words, but it seemed she was averse to the idea) to investigate a certain area--I think the area was indeed a body of water not too far from their apt. I noted her comment at the time b/c obviously it would seem to suggest that one should indeed search the area in question. I know this is very vague, but I'm wondering if any other readers of this forum have come across this incident? I will continue to try to find where I read it and will repost if I can.[/quote

]Earlier a police expert wearing white protective gloves had examined the bones at the lakeside

Criminal lawyer Mr Correia has spent thousands of pounds on the search.

He insists he was told by criminals that Maddie, who was three when she disappeared, had been raped, murdered and dumped in a lake in the area within 48 hours of being snatched.

However Maddies parents have previously dismissed him as a self-publicist and said there is no evidence of a link to the reservoir.

Referring to Mr Correia, Mr Mitchell added: 'You have to question what this mans motives are.

'He has done nothing but try and get publicity for himself and has caused extreme distress to Madeleines parents.'

I always thought Kate wants the body to be discovered for burial purposes , and Gerry is the clinical one [ literally ] who totally opposes the notion . hence the bruises on her arms .
IF she is immersed in water weighted down , then it probably scuppers any DNA being recovered . but i still go for her to have been destroyed some how by incineration .
living on the coast a sea always brings up its dead . still water a body usually has to be recovered , it would literally would be like looking for a needle in a haystack , if a small craft has been used she could be anywhere within the expanse , weighted down in the silt , almost impossible without sonar scanning equipment to map the bed .hence no if it is to be believed no real urgency from the PJ to seek out her alleged resting place .