Re: The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?

by kaz 08.07.16 16:46

@ Verdi
''.....................................I've always thought this image to be a bit weird - something surreal about it.....''

Apart from the football shirt / blonde hair similarities to the Soham girls ( which I personally find disconcerting ) , what DO you mean?

by Guest 08.07.16 16:50

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] wrote: "...but sometimes I despair at going over the same things time after time and getting nowhere."

This is true and can be said of just about every aspect of the case - there really is nothing to chew on beyond September 2007, the arguido interviews in April 2008 and release of the PJ files later in 2008. It follows that specific subjects will be regurgitated over and over again and whilst I agree with the principle of what you say, not only can repetition help to inform newcomers to the case but also be gradually woven into overall analysis of the case. Can't deny there are some areas that are repeatedly raised that infuriate me - as you well know!

I have read eslewhere that there are one or two bloggers that share your view about needless repetition, they claim to be aware of and have written about, the bigger picture - I've ventured to ask what this bigger picture is (having seen no evidence of it other than contradictory ramblings) but so far haven't received a polite reply - I've given up on that one! I see on this forum alone, many observations relative to the case of Madeleine McCann as timeprogresses beyond analysis of witness statements, photographs etc - is that the bigger picture I ask? If so, it has been covered extensively by memebers here so the accusations fired at the forum are grossly untrue and grossly unfair.

Now I'm rambling - again!

by Guest 08.07.16 16:55

kaz wrote:@ Verdi
''.....................................I've always thought this image to be a bit weird - something surreal about it.....''

Apart from the football shirt / blonde hair similarities to the Soham girls ( which I personally find disconcerting ) , what DO you mean?

Can't quite put my finger on it. It's bland - lacks definition, no natural facial colour or contour.

Nothing to do with the subject matter of the thread, not meaning to throw another distraction in the works - just an opinion.

by MayMuse 08.07.16 19:25

Verdi wrote:
MayMuse wrote:
There is another photo on the web of Madeleine in the same outfit standing in front of which looks like wooden cupboards, maybe part of a kitchen or a dresser? I do not know how to upload the photo maybe someone else could if it is still of interest to determine whether it was taken in Rothley or not. I did read somewhere that the football photo was taken not long before visiting Portugal but forget where.
Do you mean this MayMuse..

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I've always thought this image to be a bit weird - something surreal about it.

Yes thank you, perhaps a kitchen/diner?

by **Nina** 08.07.16 20:35

bobbin wrote:
Verdi wrote:Found it - or at least something similar..

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Said to be leaving Rothley house on 12th September 2007.
Whoever the man was, you can see the reflection of his jacket in the open car door in the photo up page. Looks like he is wearing blue jeans/slacks, looks biggish, so perhaps he needed all the front seat. His arms are tight in the jacket sleeve too.

Same day as the previous picture where kate is outside the car, well at least it is the same blouse.

by Guest 08.07.16 21:11

MayMuse wrote:
Verdi wrote:
MayMuse wrote:
There is another photo on the web of Madeleine in the same outfit standing in front of which looks like wooden cupboards, maybe part of a kitchen or a dresser? I do not know how to upload the photo maybe someone else could if it is still of interest to determine whether it was taken in Rothley or not. I did read somewhere that the football photo was taken not long before visiting Portugal but forget where.
Do you mean this MayMuse..

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I've always thought this image to be a bit weird - something surreal about it.
Yes thank you, perhaps a kitchen/diner?

Well it certainly ain't chez Rothley because their kitchen/diner units are whitish, as can be seen in the home video 'Madeleine was here' Part 1. One of their other rooms, possibly the living room, has wooden units which look similar..

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I'm confident the above is Chez Rothley but then there is this..

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I really don't know - I don't wish to kick off more speculation without something positive.

by Guest 08.07.16 21:14

Nina wrote:
bobbin wrote:
Verdi wrote:Found it - or at least something similar..

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Said to be leaving Rothley house on 12th September 2007.
Whoever the man was, you can see the reflection of his jacket in the open car door in the photo up page. Looks like he is wearing blue jeans/slacks, looks biggish, so perhaps he needed all the front seat. His arms are tight in the jacket sleeve too.
Same day as the previous picture where kate is outside the car, well at least it is the same blouse.

Yes indeed and Ger is fashioning the same polo shirt. Must have been a photo-shoot for the press!

by **sandancer** 08.07.16 21:31

Verdi wrote:
Nina wrote:
bobbin wrote:
Verdi wrote:Found it - or at least something similar..

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Said to be leaving Rothley house on 12th September 2007.
Whoever the man was, you can see the reflection of his jacket in the open car door in the photo up page. Looks like he is wearing blue jeans/slacks, looks biggish, so perhaps he needed all the front seat. His arms are tight in the jacket sleeve too.
Same day as the previous picture where kate is outside the car, well at least it is the same blouse.
Yes indeed and Ger is fashioning the same polo shirt. Must have been a photo-shoot for the press!

Looking at the expression on Gerrys face he's not too happy having the photo taken ! angry2

by Guest 08.07.16 21:40

sandancer wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Nina wrote:
bobbin wrote:
Verdi wrote:Found it - or at least something similar..

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Said to be leaving Rothley house on 12th September 2007.
Whoever the man was, you can see the reflection of his jacket in the open car door in the photo up page. Looks like he is wearing blue jeans/slacks, looks biggish, so perhaps he needed all the front seat. His arms are tight in the jacket sleeve too.
Same day as the previous picture where kate is outside the car, well at least it is the same blouse.
Yes indeed and Ger is fashioning the same polo shirt. Must have been a photo-shoot for the press!
Looking at the expression on Gerrys face he's not too happy having the photo taken !

No problem while waiting for the passenger to embark..

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Say CHEEEZE! big grin

by MayMuse 08.07.16 22:19

Verdi wrote:
MayMuse wrote:
Verdi wrote:
MayMuse wrote:
There is another photo on the web of Madeleine in the same outfit standing in front of which looks like wooden cupboards, maybe part of a kitchen or a dresser? I do not know how to upload the photo maybe someone else could if it is still of interest to determine whether it was taken in Rothley or not. I did read somewhere that the football photo was taken not long before visiting Portugal but forget where.
Do you mean this MayMuse..

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I've always thought this image to be a bit weird - something surreal about it.
Yes thank you, perhaps a kitchen/diner?
Well it certainly ain't chez Rothley because their kitchen/diner units are whitish, as can be seen in the home video 'Madeleine was here' Part 1. One of their other rooms, possibly the living room, has wooden units which look similar..

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I'm confident the above is Chez Rothley but then there is this..

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I really don't know - I don't wish to kick off more speculation without something positive.

[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] I think they only lived in Rothley for a year or so, so nothing to "kick" off m1264

I'm thinking the football photo was at a relatives house or even a friends... party?

by **sandancer** 08.07.16 22:35

Verdi wrote:
sandancer wrote:
Verdi wrote:
Nina wrote:
bobbin wrote:
Verdi wrote:Found it - or at least something similar..

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Said to be leaving Rothley house on 12th September 2007.
Whoever the man was, you can see the reflection of his jacket in the open car door in the photo up page. Looks like he is wearing blue jeans/slacks, looks biggish, so perhaps he needed all the front seat. His arms are tight in the jacket sleeve too.
Same day as the previous picture where kate is outside the car, well at least it is the same blouse.
Yes indeed and Ger is fashioning the same polo shirt. Must have been a photo-shoot for the press!
Looking at the expression on Gerrys face he's not too happy having the photo taken !
No problem while waiting for the passenger to embark..

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Say CHEEEZE!

That has just put me off my supper beware

So this was just after they fled back home after being made arguido , don't look very bothered about that do they ?

Has anyone ever seen Kate wearing the bright blue eyeshadow Madeleine allegedly put on while raiding the make up box ?
Kate does not strike me as a bright blue eye shadow person so where did it come from ? Being of advancing years I'm sure eye shadow like that was popular in the 80's .

The combination of the blue and the total lack of any expression on that poor childs face makes me cringe and want to hug her .
That is not the face of a child who has been happily playing compared to the smile on the "last photo " . And yes I think they were taken maybe not the same day but very close together .

by MayMuse 08.07.16 23:27

Someone asked if Madeleine ever had a "bead" of some kind in other photos ( unable to find the post) but in answer yes, there is a photo with Madeleine wearing a white top with her hair scraped back and on the side is a hair slide similar I think to the one on the lolly photo. There is also a photo sitting with Grandma with two plaits with ties or beads securing the ends. Personally the make up photo I think she is wearing a pink aliceband which goes over the top of her head and it is obscured by her hair and the cut of the photo due to there being no fringe as her forehead is exposed and possibly due to the tilt of her head? She has worn aliceband sin the Donegal photos some she has a fringe and one where the sides are obscured by her hair as an example.
The more I look at that particular photo the more I believe the "make up" has been applied afterwards and it is tampered with, it makes her look older but the main question for me is why do that and release to the public?

Where are the happy go lucky holiday photos, swimming, actually playing tennis, in the crèche or on the beach with the twins?
The lack of these is rather odd for a supposedly family holiday.
IMO

Edit. They also chose to apply a pink aliceband in one of their age progression photos, unable to recall which year but it can be sourced on the web.

by Guest 09.07.16 0:33

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Hope toasted cheese wasn't on the menu - bon appétit! big grin

by kaz 09.07.16 6:52

kaz wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
kaz wrote:In the 'make up' photo and the 'last ' photo the beads are on the same side of the head but in different positions. They even seem different beads to me but I could be wrong. In the 'ice lolly' photo the bead is on a different side. I know from experience how difficult these beads are to remove from a child's hair and my question is, knowing what a palaver these beads can be, why would they bother to change their positions on the same day ? It neither adds or detracts from the overall picture.
Yes, I understand - however, how do we know which way round any of the photos were taken originally?

The Make-Up Photo has appeared both ways on many occasions - on the right, or on the left.

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I'm totally confused with that one . Under what circumstances would the image change? Must admit I'm not very scientifically minded.

I'm still unconvinced about this. If I take a photograph, a photograph of a photograph , copy it and do upteen other things to it, the image doesn't change round. The only time it will do this is if there are mirrors involved. Please enlighten me as it's really bothering me. Could any clever clogs out there prove me wrong by managing to 'reverse' the 'Last Photo ' by the pool ( showing Madeleine to the left and Gerry to the right) to put my mind at rest?

by **Jill Havern** 09.07.16 6:59

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by kaz 09.07.16 8:28

No more to be said on the matter. Many thanks for that.

by **sharonl** 10.07.16 23:33

Salsalito Guest House Burgau

Note the blue sofa in the other room.

Could this be where the Make up Photo was taken?

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by **sharonl** 11.07.16 0:31

More pics from Salsalito Guest House

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by joyce1938 11.07.16 9:34

Quite a bit of that type of blue around in Portugal ,so its very unlikely we shall pinpoint the exact place I feel ,its so much guesswork needed think ,to be that certain,we do have to be carefull about this type of thing.joyce1938

by Guest 11.07.16 15:25

sharonl wrote:Salsalito Guest House Burgau

Note the blue sofa in the other room.

Could this be where the Make up Photo was taken?

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Blimey - that's a very significant find thumbup

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by **Nina** 11.07.16 17:12

The search at the time. I am looking for that shade of blue again and can only see on the ariel view which shows the pool and there is something by the pool in that colour but even on full magnification is difficult to see what it is. The surrounding area looks wild.

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by Julie 11.07.16 18:36

[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Compared with this photograph the fringe on the make-up photo is quite significantly longer and has since been cut in my opinion. The cut in this picture and the last photo is rather sharp in comparison to the make-up picture, where the fringe blends more softly into the hair..

by **Jill Havern** 11.07.16 18:52

rose1234 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Compared with this photograph the fringe on the make-up photo is quite significantly longer and has since been cut in my opinion. The cut in this picture and the last photo is rather sharp in comparison to the make-up picture, where the fringe blends more softly into the hair..

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by **Nina** 11.07.16 19:21

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
rose1234 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Compared with this photograph the fringe on the make-up photo is quite significantly longer and has since been cut in my opinion. The cut in this picture and the last photo is rather sharp in comparison to the make-up picture, where the fringe blends more softly into the hair..

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Yes that does look like a holiday haircut.

by Guest 11.07.16 20:31

Nina wrote:The search at the time. I am looking for that shade of blue again and can only see on the ariel view which shows the pool and there is something by the pool in that colour but even on full magnification is difficult to see what it is. The surrounding area looks wild.

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This is from a Polish (nudge nudge, wink wink) travel website..

Situated on the south western Algarve, just outside the charming fishing village of Burgau, Salsalito is referred to by guests as a visual paradise , having been lovingly designed and built by the English owners, Ralph and Sally.

Sintra room
Situated off the main hallway, by the front door, the Sintra room has a calming theme, decorated in pale terracota and green, with Mexican furniture. It has a bath/shower, WC, basin, bidet. Air conditioned, hair dryer, wifi, Satelite TV/DVD, tea and coffee facilities and bottled water.

Situated at the end of the hallway, next to the Bamboo room, the Atlantic room consists of a blue theme, with paintings of Burgau by a local artist. It has a bath/shower/ bidet, WC, basin. Air conditioned, hair dryer, wifi, satelite TV/DVD, tea and coffee facility and bottled water. It can be made into a Twin or Queen size bed.

Salsalito is a Guest House, Bed and Breakfast, that provides self catering for all the guests.

Attention to detail, focused on quality, are the reasons for Salsalito's success, (check reviews on trip advisor)
Our goal is constantly to improve on quality.

A stay in either the main rooms or garden room, is a chic alternative to accommodation in a 5 star Hotel.

Salsalito consists of 4 double bedrooms, all equipped with en suite bathrooms , air conditioning, free wireless internet access, Satelite TV, DVD, hair dryer, bottled water, tea /coffee facilities.

Free private car parking, all linen and towels provided, also towels for the pool area.
Daily maid service.

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Guests like to meet up before and after dinner in the honesty bar or on the terrace, friends drop by for a sundowner, its all very friendly and you get a chance to meet some interesting locals as well as Ralph and Sally's famous dogs, Lucky and Bruno, whom are very spoilt with treats from return guests.

Burgau is only 1 minute by car or a 10 minute walk.

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At Salsalito, we can arrange beauty & massage treatments, under one of our gazebos in the grounds.

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Very cosy; very chic; very exclusive; very secluded; very discrete.

by Guest 12.07.16 12:42

An excerpt from a somewhat lengthy prosaic journalistic report on location - an insight into ownership of the salubrious Salsalito Guest House, Burgau..

Vanity Fair - 10th January 2008 by Judy Bachrach

It is part of the odd dynamic of this story that when I phone Sally Eveleigh, who also lives in Praia da Luz, her first remark is that she cannot utter a syllable about Murat without the O.K. of her British press agent, the famously rambunctious Max Clifford. And when his blessing is secured, her second is:

“Wonderful, darling, see you shortly. Robert can’t talk to you, because he’s an arguido. But we’ll have a bit of a party, won’t we?”

When I arrive at her massive house, lined with rosy tile and Moroccan rugs, Sally greets me in floor-length blue voile trimmed with pretty stones. And the party includes Murat: five feet 10 inches, dark-haired, wearing beige trousers, serving us tea, wine, and cigarettes.

by **Tony Bennett** 12.07.16 13:20

Verdi wrote:An excerpt from a somewhat lengthy prosaic journalistic report on location - an insight into ownership of the salubrious Salsalito Guest House, Burgau..

Vanity Fair - 10th January 2008 by Judy Bachrach

It is part of the odd dynamic of this story that when I phone Sally Eveleigh, who also lives in Praia da Luz, her first remark is that she cannot utter a syllable about Murat without the O.K. of her British press agent, the famously rambunctious Max Clifford. And when his blessing is secured, her second is:

“Wonderful, darling, see you shortly. Robert can’t talk to you, because he’s an arguido. But we’ll have a bit of a party, won’t we?”

When I arrive at her massive house, lined with rosy tile and Moroccan rugs, Sally greets me in floor-length blue voile trimmed with pretty stones. And the party includes Murat: five feet 10 inches, dark-haired, wearing beige trousers, serving us tea, wine, and cigarettes.

Does this wonderful account of life chez Ralph & Sally go on to include any 'phone calls from their old chum Martin Brunt...

...offering to provide some free legal advice to Robert from SKY's lawyers? sarcastic

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by MayMuse 12.07.16 15:20

See the "beige" trousers got a mention!!!

by MayMuse 12.07.16 15:25

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
rose1234 wrote:[You must be registered and logged in to see this image.] Compared with this photograph the fringe on the make-up photo is quite significantly longer and has since been cut in my opinion. The cut in this picture and the last photo is rather sharp in comparison to the make-up picture, where the fringe blends more softly into the hair..

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Thanks for the close up shots, I'm one of the minority that believes that the hair is different too. howdy

by Guest 12.07.16 15:39

Tony Bennett wrote:
Verdi wrote:An excerpt from a somewhat lengthy prosaic journalistic report on location - an insight into ownership of the salubrious Salsalito Guest House, Burgau..

Vanity Fair - 10th January 2008 by Judy Bachrach

It is part of the odd dynamic of this story that when I phone Sally Eveleigh, who also lives in Praia da Luz, her first remark is that she cannot utter a syllable about Murat without the O.K. of her British press agent, the famously rambunctious Max Clifford. And when his blessing is secured, her second is:

“Wonderful, darling, see you shortly. Robert can’t talk to you, because he’s an arguido. But we’ll have a bit of a party, won’t we?”

When I arrive at her massive house, lined with rosy tile and Moroccan rugs, Sally greets me in floor-length blue voile trimmed with pretty stones. And the party includes Murat: five feet 10 inches, dark-haired, wearing beige trousers, serving us tea, wine, and cigarettes.
Does this wonderful account of life chez Ralph & Sally go on to include any 'phone calls from their old chum Martin Brunt...

...offering to provide some free legal advice to Robert from SKY's lawyers?

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Made me think of Noel Coward prancing about in smoking jacket, hat and grossly exagerated cigarette holder.

There could be a PR connection hidden in this myriad of extraordinary coincidences encircling the mystery of Madeleine Mcann..

Max Clifford - PR guru and media manipulator with reputation for representing high profile clientele.

Matthew Freud - son of Clement Freud, PR guru with reputation for representing high profile clientele.

Clarence Mitchell - media manipulator, full-time spokesman for the McCanns suspected of being involved in the disappearance of their three year old child and latterly venturing into the world of PR.

The McCanns and Robert Murat - desperately in need of some good quality high profile PR/media management.

The Mystery of the Make-Up Photo - was it taken on the same day as the Last Photo?