Re: Steve Marsden's WBM screenshot: The CEOP Home page for April 30, 2007 also refers to Missing Madeleine.

by **Jill Havern** 22.07.15 21:58

cloak'ndagger wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
cloak'ndagger wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:
Verdi wrote:Still no Steve Marsden to iron out the wrinkles? Leaves on the track..
He knows the score.

He already knew the most likely score right at the beginning when he said "it's most probably a mistake" on his Facebook page.

He was right.

Lots of other people were active in this thread early on also know the score now.
Steve Marsden has NEVER said that. .Steve still stands by his find..
Really?

I read the Facebook page.. did you?

Anyway.. ask him.. come back and let us know.
I am admin on facebook so speak to him every day. ..His find is not going to go away. He has stood by his claims but it will reach a wider audience, ,

He told me he had some stuff to post here. Any idea when that might be?

by TheTruthWillOut 22.07.15 22:00

cloak'ndagger wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
cloak'ndagger wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:
Verdi wrote:Still no Steve Marsden to iron out the wrinkles? Leaves on the track..
He knows the score.

He already knew the most likely score right at the beginning when he said "it's most probably a mistake" on his Facebook page.

He was right.

Lots of other people were active in this thread early on also know the score now.
Steve Marsden has NEVER said that. .Steve still stands by his find..
Really?

I read the Facebook page.. did you?

Anyway.. ask him.. come back and let us know.
I am admin on facebook so speak to him every day. ..His find is not going to go away. He has stood by his claims but it will reach a wider audience, ,

'will reach a wider audience'....

Is this got anything to do with Sonia's latest tease?

by Guest 22.07.15 22:57

cloak'ndagger wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
cloak'ndagger wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:
Verdi wrote:Still no Steve Marsden to iron out the wrinkles? Leaves on the track..
He knows the score.

He already knew the most likely score right at the beginning when he said "it's most probably a mistake" on his Facebook page.

He was right.

Lots of other people were active in this thread early on also know the score now.
Steve Marsden has NEVER said that. .Steve still stands by his find..
Really?

I read the Facebook page.. did you?

Anyway.. ask him.. come back and let us know.
I am admin on facebook so speak to him every day. ..His find is not going to go away. He has stood by his claims but it will reach a wider audience, ,

That sounds dangerously like yet another documentary delay tactic. Hope not because it will only add to the already apparent futility of it all.

by Guest 23.07.15 8:21

cloak'ndagger wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
cloak'ndagger wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:
Verdi wrote:Still no Steve Marsden to iron out the wrinkles? Leaves on the track..
He knows the score.

He already knew the most likely score right at the beginning when he said "it's most probably a mistake" on his Facebook page.

He was right.

Lots of other people were active in this thread early on also know the score now.
Steve Marsden has NEVER said that. .Steve still stands by his find..
Really?

I read the Facebook page.. did you?

Anyway.. ask him.. come back and let us know.
I am admin on facebook so speak to him every day. ..His find is not going to go away. He has stood by his claims but it will reach a wider audience, ,

Great.

Clear this up today then.

We'll speak later.

by cloak'ndagger 23.07.15 10:04

Get'emGonçalo wrote:
cloak'ndagger wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
cloak'ndagger wrote:
BlueBag wrote:
Get'emGonçalo wrote:
Verdi wrote:Still no Steve Marsden to iron out the wrinkles? Leaves on the track..
He knows the score.

He already knew the most likely score right at the beginning when he said "it's most probably a mistake" on his Facebook page.

He was right.

Lots of other people were active in this thread early on also know the score now.
Steve Marsden has NEVER said that. .Steve still stands by his find..
Really?

I read the Facebook page.. did you?

Anyway.. ask him.. come back and let us know.
I am admin on facebook so speak to him every day. ..His find is not going to go away. He has stood by his claims but it will reach a wider audience, ,
He told me he had some stuff to post here. Any idea when that might be?

I will ask him today Jill x

by whodunit 24.07.15 2:28

BlueBag wrote:Thank you Peter.

That is the captured HTML for the web page in question.

It contains a link to a page that only existed from August 2007 onwards.

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the training.asp page. You can check it yourselves.

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Proof the WBM is well and truly broken.

@BlueBag--"Nope.

That is not what I'm saying."

Since your only citation for the claim that the training.asp page did not exist in August 2007 is WBM perhaps you'd like to explain what it is you are saying.

by Sam S 24.07.15 7:20

Quoting umpteen posts just to add a few words at the bottom...aaaaaaaarrggghhhhh...please stop ...rant over..glad to be back after my hols..lots to catch up on big grin

by Guest 24.07.15 7:56

whodunit wrote:
BlueBag wrote:Thank you Peter.

That is the captured HTML for the web page in question.

It contains a link to a page that only existed from August 2007 onwards.

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the training.asp page. You can check it yourselves.

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Proof the WBM is well and truly broken.

@BlueBag--"Nope.

That is not what I'm saying."

Since your only citation for the claim that the training.asp page did not exist in August 2007 is WBM perhaps you'd like to explain what it is you are saying.

More irony?

by Guest 24.07.15 17:04

I guessing the daily chat with Steve Marsden didn't go so well then.

by whodunit 24.07.15 18:53

I am being perfectly sincere. You claimed that training.asp did not exist in August 2007 but since there is a link to the page in the code from the CEOP home page capture this proves that WBM is unreliable.

Your evidence citation for the nonexistence of the training.asp page in August is WBM captures of the page. [talk about irony]

I pointed out that just because WBM did not capture the page in August 2007 does not mean it didn't exist in August since WBM does not capture every page every month of the year.

You then asserted that this is not what you are saying so I challenged you to clarify the claim, which you have not done.

by Carrry On Doctor 24.07.15 19:38

During this current extended period of 'justice working in silence', I was looking back on some old posts and came across this;

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There is a post from Advocatus, 2nd bottom post on the page, that mentions WBM during a discussion about what happened to the fridge in the apartment. I have bolded in red below;

The WBM appears to have been mentioned in the context of Gerrys blogs going missing, so if WBM has indeed been whooshed before, does this influence anything being currently discussed here ?

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Today I have checked with my friends, they clearly remember the above and confirm. That is all I can do, I have no physical proof.
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Many thanks. Like you I have a very definite recollection, but after 4 constant years of blogs it is difficult to sort out what was written, and what was thought to have been written: what was said and what was thought to have been said; who said what, and who was thought to have said what.
I also have the feeling that it was written and then whooshed, before Pamalam started noting the retrospective changes in the blogs and providing screen shots.
But someone out there will have it saved, either deliberately or in their cache memory - IF it was said ![/size]

I have read about the fridge on a bunch of forums, David Icke, Godlike etc etc

That is why in the last ten years I have learned to cut and paste in anythings that looks like it may later be sanitised by intel types, 404d, this link does not exist

These 'mistakes' usuly occur within the first 24 hrs of a breaking story. The intel comes along Nd either 404s or rewrites the original posts, but in an ongoing blog it can happen any time

(That is why Pat Brown keeps telling the pair of them to shut up already!)

They then whoosh the Internet archive wayback machine cache

And all other caches they can find, they have custom top secret web and email text voice crawler/spider software thar can do the most amazing digging on their cray+ supercomputers

I always got lambasted by mods for wasting bandwidth, pasting in full articles with date time stamps, which is really poppycock, especially now

To an expert at gchq they could make an average citizen disappear in no time at all

Back to the fridge tipping, IMHO it is not a forum myth

by whodunit 24.07.15 20:42

They then whoosh the Internet archive wayback machine cache

This is what happened recently with all the whooshing of the April 30th date. This was not correcting a 'mistake' because if it were the company would have gladly explained why and how this mistake was made* but was more likely due to CEOP requesting removal of those specific captures.

Before it starts let me say I KNOW WBM are not obligated to explain anything to us but at the same time if they cared about the reputation of their site they would have gladly and voluntarily explained the so-called mistake and how it came about, thus making the 'fix' look more like an honest correction and less like 'the fix is in'.

by Guest 24.07.15 21:04

whodunit wrote:I am being perfectly sincere. You claimed that training.asp did not exist in August 2007 but since there is a link to the page in the code from the CEOP home page capture this proves that WBM is unreliable.

Your evidence citation for the nonexistence of the training.asp page in August is WBM captures of the page. [talk about irony]

Really..?

So WBM machine can't be relied on except for the McCann.html page which is deadly accurate...

Right.

Which wait... the mccann.html page has a link to a page that didn't get captured before August 2007 (all the others were captured at times through May, June and July).

by Guest 24.07.15 21:07

BlueBag wrote:I guessing the daily chat with Steve Marsden didn't go so well then.

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by Guest 24.07.15 22:43

whodunit wrote:They then whoosh the Internet archive wayback machine cache

This is what happened recently with all the whooshing of the April 30th date. This was not correcting a 'mistake' because if it were the company would have gladly explained why and how this mistake was made* but was more likely due to CEOP requesting removal of those specific captures.

Before it starts let me say I KNOW WBM are not obligated to explain anything to us but at the same time if they cared about the reputation of their site they would have gladly and voluntarily explained the so-called mistake and how it came about, thus making the 'fix' look more like an honest correction and less like 'the fix is in'.

Based in the US of A, I don't suppose they give a kippers do-da what anybody around here thinks about their little organization. It seems to serve it's purpose so why would they worry about the CEOP or the case of missing MBM - not their responsibility!

by Guest 24.07.15 22:50

BlueBag wrote:I guessing the daily chat with Steve Marsden didn't go so well then.

This is like waiting for the release of a much publicized documentary..

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by cloak'ndagger 25.07.15 21:16

BlueBag wrote:I guessing the daily chat with Steve Marsden didn't go so well then.

Au contraire Bluebag, It went very well titter

by Guest 25.07.15 21:35

cloak'ndagger wrote:
BlueBag wrote:I guessing the daily chat with Steve Marsden didn't go so well then.
Au contraire Bluebag, It went very well

Fandabiedosie.

So...

dance

(Stupid icon time).

by cloak'ndagger 06.08.15 20:17

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One of the things that surprised me with my Wayback Machine find is that none of the technical people looking into the files bothered to look at the programmer documentation at the top of the CSS file - coi.css. In there we had the programmer's name (Andy Field - below) who had made a change to the CSS file on April 25, 2007. We also see the company name (IDNet) who Andy worked for before moving to Hubmedia.
Andy Field used to work for IDNet in Hertfordshire. IDNet create websites for many clients including CEOP. Interestingly the CEOP website is hosted on the same server as the official Arsenal website and a whole bunch of fake Ashley Madison websites.
IDNet sponsor the Multiple Sclerosis Trust based in the old corset factory in Letchworth (the Spirella Building). As we have seen many times before, Bates Wells & Braithwaite are the solicitors for the MS Trust and regulars in here will know that BWB are also the solicitors for the McCann Fund and numerous charities connected with Prince Charles.
Nothing really new to report in this post but just a bit more information for sleuths to check out.
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by Liz Eagles 07.08.15 17:55

I'm afraid I almost lost the will to live during this thread - especially when Steve Marsden contributed bugger all other than the leading question.

by Guest 07.08.15 21:32

Don't worry.. people are having daily conversations with him.

Unfortunately after having been promised updates we are still waiting.

I nearly didn't write this as it would only push it back to the top of the forum.. what the hell.

Most people figured it out after a while.

by Guest 07.08.15 22:52

BlueBag wrote:Don't worry.. people are having daily conversations with him.

Unfortunately after having been promised updates we are still waiting.

I nearly didn't write this as it would only push it back to the top of the forum.. what the hell.

Most people figured it out after a while.

You're right, most people figured out we were not going to get answers, a verdict of not proven would be the most likely outcome (only under Scots law).

by **Jill Havern** 24.08.15 14:36

A question left on CMOMM facebook group by Marian Greaves:

Can anybody tell me why the last photo, the one at the pool, that was in Kate's camera, but Gerry had to fly back to England to get it, was only released on 24th may, 3 weeks after she went missing, yet the CEOP pages picked up by Wayback archive had that photo loaded onto their page on 13th May?

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by Guest 24.08.15 14:43

Get'emGonçalo wrote:A question left on CMOMM facebook group by Marian Greaves:

Can anybody tell me why the last photo, the one at the pool, that was in Kate's camera, but Gerry had to fly back to England to get it, was only released on 24th may, 3 weeks after she went missing, yet the CEOP pages picked up by Wayback archive had that photo loaded onto their page on 13th May?

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The 13th May page doesn't have the last photo.

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by Marian Greaves 24.08.15 17:25

thanks blue bag, yes i apologise it was the tennis one not the pool one, however it was still one of the last photo's that were said to have not been released until 24th May. I am not suggesting that there is something wrong with way back etc, all i am asking is, why did CEOP who had nothing to do with the case have it so early, yet the PJ who needed it were denied it until 24th May.

by **sharonl** 24.08.15 18:59

Marian Greaves wrote:thanks blue bag, yes i apologise it was the tennis one not the pool one, however it was still one of the last photo's that were said to have not been released until 24th May. I am not suggesting that there is something wrong with way back etc, all i am asking is, why did CEOP who had nothing to do with the case have it so early, yet the PJ who needed it were denied it until 24th May.

We have

The disappearing CATS file

Gerry McCann in possession of CEOP manuals

Gerry McCann being taken to the police bravery awards with the head of CEOP, Jim Gamble.

Jim Gamble dismissing the evidence of top UK sniffer dogs and protecting the suspects

Jim Gamble joining Kate McCann and Clarence Mitchell at Missing People charity

Jim Gambles very un-professional behaviour on Twitter, with tweets in support of the McCanns despite the evidence against them.

Jim Gamble putting the needs of the suspects before that of the missing child

Question: When exactly, did Jim Gamble and CEOP get involved in this case? I guess that we will never really know but I bet it was earlier than we think.

by joyce1938 24.08.15 23:35

I think ceop were alerted very quickly, just memory so can't say exactly, days I think, even might be 1 day. joyce1938

by Guest 25.08.15 9:05

Marian Greaves wrote:thanks blue bag, yes i apologise it was the tennis one not the pool one, however it was still one of the last photo's that were said to have not been released until 24th May. I am not suggesting that there is something wrong with way back etc, all i am asking is, why did CEOP who had nothing to do with the case have it so early, yet the PJ who needed it were denied it until 24th May.

I don't think so.

BBC May 10th 2007

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by Marian Greaves 26.08.15 21:18

thanks for that link blue bag, i didn't realise that pic was in the press so early, i can't find a date it was given to the pj in the files, do you know if they just gave it to the british msm and ceop and not the pj?

by Guest 26.08.15 21:32

No idea Martin.

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