Re: Met Police (Operation Grange) - Bollocks or not bollocks?

by deafoldbat 13.06.15 23:05

Quote HelenMeg

Disagree - dont believe this woman would head a whitewash - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

She would if instructed to investigate an abduction only and to maintain the 'parents not suspects' line.
Other criminals caught by her were not being protected from culpability. IMHO

by Guest 14.06.15 8:01

HelenMeg wrote:Disagree - dont believe this woman would head a whitewash - [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

She will do exactly what she's told.

Just like Redwood.

These people are not like Morse, Lewis or Jack Frost - that's fantasy land.

by pennylane 14.06.15 9:22

DCI Wall was brought 'up-to-speed' after Redwood (the stooge) pointed the investigation firmly away from the McCanns, and promptly retired. Not a chance she will go back to the drawing board. Mission accomplished!

jmo

by Liz Eagles 14.06.15 9:36

pennylane wrote:DCI Wall was brought 'up-to-speed' after Redwood (the stooge) pointed the investigation firmly away from the McCanns, and promptly retired. Not a chance she will go back to the drawing board. Mission accomplished!

jmo

I remember being very vociferous a few years ago when it was suggested OG was headed by those about to retire. I remember spouting off all sorts about senior officers with a wealth of experience and many years' service and a good track record should be welcomed not criticised. I even went on about giving the job to a female officer.

I take it all back. I was wrong.

by pennylane 14.06.15 10:08

aquila wrote:
pennylane wrote:DCI Wall was brought 'up-to-speed' after Redwood (the stooge) pointed the investigation firmly away from the McCanns, and promptly retired. Not a chance she will go back to the drawing board. Mission accomplished!

jmo
I remember being very vociferous a few years ago when it was suggested OG was headed by those about to retire. I remember spouting off all sorts about senior officers with a wealth of experience and many years' service and a good track record should be welcomed not criticised. I even went on about giving the job to a female officer.

I take it all back. I was wrong.

I'm sorry, aquila roses

I'm afraid this case has flagged up a depressing insight into the corrupt British Establishment.

by HelenMeg 14.06.15 11:11

The Home office authorised and requested this operation (Grange). The Home Office funds this operation. Currently T May.

The establishment will protect its own - always has and always will. The establishment will thwart this operation as best it can in order to protect those who
were there that week (not the Mc Canns). How can the establishment prevent OG from getting to the truth? By diversionary tactics, planting numerous red herrings, controlling Gerry and Kate and their friends.
Loads of ways they can try and stall Operation Grange and try and prevent the truth from emerging.

So do you believe OG is acting on behalf of the establishment circle that is hellbent on covering this up? I dont. I believe T May wants the truth to emerge - but I believe she hasnt a clue that the truth involves
key VIPs who can pull strings of establishment. I do not believe Op Grange is working to finding a whitewash. I do not believe DCI Wall would have accepted the mission on that basis. However, I believe there is a massive battle going on to prevent OP Grange from doing its job to provide the truth.

If you think that Op Grange is acting on behalf of establishment figures who wish to prevent truth from emerging then I do not agree. I find that ludicrous. But I do believe that certain establishment figures will do what they can to ensure that Op Grange is not permitted, one way or another, to get to the truth. There is a difference. I wonder - do you think Theresa May is part of those in Establishment who wish to prevent truth from emerging? After all She authorised / requested the Operation. I dont, not for one minute.
Establishment protection revolves very much around old schoolboy networks - they love each other and protect each other -= they all have secrets on each other.

by pennylane 14.06.15 12:20

The Home Office has bullied and cajoled all and sundry in an attempt to thwart this case from the get go (imo). Operation Grange is an arm of that agenda. That doesn't mean Teresa May and all else are in on it. Coverups wouldn't work if that were the case. Often its a spook, and/or a few strategically placed individuals that steer a corrupt agenda. Favors for past favors can be a powerful motivator.

It feels to me as if Mitchell, Gamble, and Redwood have worked in tandem.

imo

by willowthewisp 14.06.15 14:16

Helenmeg
I know you think that Theresa May wants to have a proper investigation now after certain ex-SIO, DCI murky fingerprints allowed for a debacle on Crime Watch, Tannerman/creche Dad Abductor found!?
It was Rebecca Brooks, meeting Gerry and Kate,Black Mailing Threat/Persuasion(Leveson) and close contact with Prime Minister Dodgy Dave Cameron, Chippen Norton friends that sought a Remit to "Review the Madeleine McCann" disappearance as though it was an Abduction!?

Any one thinking there is no connection between the Police Force and Rebecca Brooks, some kind Police Officer lent one of their best horse's to Charlie Brooks for a duration and when the said horse was finally returned to the Police, the horse had deteriorated in condition they had to have the animal destroyed, such a caring group the Chippen Norton set you know,bit of Fox Hunting,Tally Ho?
Car park footage of dear Charlie whisking away a laptop so as to avoid the Metropolitan Police look at it's contents,Phone Hacking Trail, Where the fragrant Rebecca was found not Guilty, but Andrew Coulson was found Guilty, dodgy Daves Right hand man!
Lord Burns, just recently dismissed a Jury and the case of "Perverting the Course of Justice" in Favour of dear Andrew, who had close connections who found evidence against Thomas Sheriden, convicted for false evidence?
Be very aware of the Establishment and the cover ups, David Kelly, Daniel Morgan Killing(payments to Police Officers) SIO Hamish Campbell whose understudy was one DCI Andy Redwood, Operation Grange, Abduction!?
Sir Bernard Hogan Howe the Murdered Err missing girl Madeleine McCann, some one "Stealing a child/Abduction"!? nah

by Guest 14.06.15 21:00

If you think Theresa May has any real power.. think again.

by pennylane 14.06.15 21:15

BlueBag wrote:If you think Theresa May has any real power.. think again.

Exactly!

by HelenMeg 14.06.15 22:29

pennylane wrote:
BlueBag wrote:If you think Theresa May has any real power.. think again.
Exactly!

Who rules her agenda then?

by willowthewisp 15.06.15 9:53

Helenmeg,
Her Boss DC and his boss,Her Majesty!?

by HelenMeg 15.06.15 10:59

willowthewisp wrote:Helenmeg,
Her Boss DC and his boss,Her Majesty!?

OK then - so that implies then, following on from others' posts above - that David Cameron holds the key to whether the truth is allowed to emerge or not.
Back in 2007 the Blair / Brown governments politically interfered with the investigations. DC's government was 'persuaded / cajoled / bullied' into reviewing the case.
DC suddenly found out it was a can of worms. What does he do now?

My belief is that he will allow some of the truth to emerge but be will be too cowardly or 'influenced' to allow the whole truth... that is my view.

Some, it seems, think he will or has ordered a whitewash - which implies he is in full agreement with the Labour government of 2007 that the truth must not emerge. I dont think that is feasible although it
is true that certain establishment figures cross above the political agendas. DC also knows that the eyes of the world are watching carefully what happens in this case. He knows that a vast amount continues to be spent on this case. He knows the reputation of SY is at stake and that he himself will be exposed when the truth finally emerges, which it will, in years to come.

by pennylane 15.06.15 11:06

willowthewisp wrote:Helenmeg,
Her Boss DC and his boss,Her Majesty!?

...... and as HM ominously warned Paul Burrell before pulling the plug on his court case.... There are powers at work in this country of which we have no knowledge!

by Guest 15.06.15 11:12

HelenMeg wrote:
pennylane wrote:
BlueBag wrote:If you think Theresa May has any real power.. think again.
Exactly!
Who rules her agenda then?

Not her.

MPs and Ministers are window dressing for us.

The real strings of power are with the uber-wealthy who have bought and paid for the current system.

How many people who work for Whitehall, The Bank of England, The Stock Exchange, The Military, The Royal Family, The Media are accountable to the people?

None.

But that's where the real power is.

by willowthewisp 15.06.15 11:31

Helenmeg,
We may possibly find out one day what the protectionist establishment has covered up be it in 100 yrs, but who will be bothered about it then, that is the point.Justice delayed is Justice Denied?
Just look at how the Establishment tried to cover up the "Hillsborough Deaths"S**m newspaper and the Government?
Who or what is being protected is what matters,Madeleine McCann may have suffered as the result of an Accident and the actions taken by the participants since what they chose to do will be with them for a long time!
I suggest you look at the killing of Daniel Morgan 10 March 1987 and the Can of Worms that has been wriggling since then to cover his Death!?
Let there be no doubt about it that the MSM and the chicanery and shenanigans of persons involved in the building of that empire has had a close interest in obtaining evidence to be used to "persuade" there decisions in their favour, ask Vince Cable over a certain TV deal eh Mr Cameron, Rebecca Brooks!?

by **Tony Bennett** 15.06.15 12:20

HelenMeg wrote:
willowthewisp wrote:HelenMeg,

Her Boss DC and his boss, Her Majesty!?
We have another difference of opinion here @ HelenMeg...

OK then - so that implies then, following on from others' posts above - that David Cameron holds the key to whether the truth is allowed to emerge or not.

And those above him and those who are colluding with him

Back in 2007 the Blair/Brown governments politically interfered with the investigations.

Yes - and why?

DC's government was 'persuaded / cajoled / bullied' into reviewing the case.

By Rupert Murdoch and his CEO Rebekah Brooks - and against the wishes of Theresa May who was overruled

DC suddenly found out it was a can of worms.

No way, sorry. He appointed former Murdoch man Andy Coulson as his Director of Communications in 2009. The two of them appointed Clarence Mitchell in 2010 as their Deputy Director of Communications, and Cameron sanctioned him being admitted as a Conservative Party candidate at the recent General Election. Remember Rebekah Brooks' text? - "We are all in this together"? There is a cabal at the top keeping the lid on what really happemd to Madeleine McCann. We don't yet know why

What does he do now?

Hope against hope that CMOMM doesn't uncover the real truth

My belief is that he will allow some of the truth to emerge but be will be too cowardly or 'influenced' to allow the whole truth... that is my view.

No way - see above

Some, it seems, think he will or has ordered a whitewash - which implies he is in full agreement with the Labour government of 2007 that the truth must not emerge. I dont think that is feasible although it is true that certain establishment figures cross above the political agendas.

@ HelenMeg - the cover-up/deception/whitewash etc. was IMO in place on Day One. Cameron doesn't have the power to change this, even if he wanted to, the powers-that-be have agreed it

DC also knows that the eyes of the world are watching carefully what happens in this case. He knows that a vast amount continues to be spent on this case. He knows the reputation of SY is at stake and that he himself will be exposed when the truth finally emerges, which it will, in years to come.

I suggest we are near to Operation Grange supplying the final answer - 'an abductor did it but we can't be sure who' - and then everybody apart from us poor dissidents here and elsewhere will forget about the case

by Google.Gaspar.Statements 15.06.15 12:47

Tony Bennett wrote:@ HelenMeg - the cover-up/deception/whitewash etc. was IMO in place on Day One. Cameron doesn't have the power to change this, even if he wanted to, the powers-that-be have agreed it

Who are the powers-that-be Tony? Do you mean The Queen?

by **Tony Bennett** 15.06.15 13:57

Google.Gaspar.Statements wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:@ HelenMeg - the cover-up/deception/whitewash etc. was IMO in place on Day One. Cameron doesn't have the power to change this, even if he wanted to, the powers-that-be have agreed it

Who are the powers-that-be Tony? Do you mean The Queen?

Let me just put it this way @ GGS

Groups of high-level political and celebrity paedophiles (yes including some Royals) have been able to cruelly abuse children, mostly already vulnerable, for decades - and successive British Prime Ministers and Home Secretaries, Conservative and Labour, have not only done sod-all about it, but have actually covered this up and actively protected them from investigation and prosecution.

Jimmy Savile...
The Geoffrey Dickens dossier...
Leon Brittan losing files...
etc.

I would further suggest that organisations like MI5, MI6, Special Branch and other arms of the security services are more powerful than the Prime Minister as they hold the 'dirt' on everyone.

These scum are prepared to go as low as secretly filming young boys being sadistically abused by VIPs at Kincora Boys Home - so that these VIPs could later be controlled - FACT.

Look at the quote from Ken Livingstone at the very end of the last of Richard D. Hall's four films of 'The True Story of Madeleine McCann'.

These same security services have been all over the Madeleine McCann case like a nasty rash since Day One

by Gaggzy 15.06.15 14:02

Tony Bennett wrote:
Google.Gaspar.Statements wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:@ HelenMeg - the cover-up/deception/whitewash etc. was IMO in place on Day One. Cameron doesn't have the power to change this, even if he wanted to, the powers-that-be have agreed it

Who are the powers-that-be Tony? Do you mean The Queen?
Let me just put it this way @ GGS

Groups of high-level political and celebrity paedophiles (yes including some Royals) have been able to cruelly abuse children, mostly already vulnerable, for decades - and successive British Prime Ministers and Home Secretaries, Conservative and Labour, have not only done sod-all about it, but have actually covered this up and actively protected them from investigation and prosecution.

Jimmy Savile...
The Geoffrey Dickens dossier...
Leon Brittan losing files...
etc.

I would further suggest that organisations like MI5, MI6, Special Branch and other arms of the security services are more powerful than the Prime Minister as they hold the 'dirt' on everyone.

These scum are prepared to go as low as secretly filming young boys being sadistically abused by VIPs at Kincora Boys Home - so that these VIPs could later be controlled - FACT.

Look at the quote from Ken Livingstone at the very end of the last of Richard D. Hall's four films of 'The True Story of Madeleine McCann'.

These same security services have been all over the Madeleine McCann case like a nasty rash since Day One

I believe this, 100%.

by **Tony Bennett** 15.06.15 14:06

Gaggzy wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
Google.Gaspar.Statements wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:@ HelenMeg - the cover-up/deception/whitewash etc. was IMO in place on Day One. Cameron doesn't have the power to change this, even if he wanted to, the powers-that-be have agreed it

Who are the powers-that-be Tony? Do you mean The Queen?
Let me just put it this way @ GGS

Groups of high-level political and celebrity paedophiles (yes including some Royals) have been able to cruelly abuse children, mostly already vulnerable, for decades - and successive British Prime Ministers and Home Secretaries, Conservative and Labour, have not only done sod-all about it, but have actually covered this up and actively protected them from investigation and prosecution.

Jimmy Savile...
The Geoffrey Dickens dossier...
Leon Brittan losing files...
etc.

I would further suggest that organisations like MI5, MI6, Special Branch and other arms of the security services are more powerful than the Prime Minister as they hold the 'dirt' on everyone.

These scum are prepared to go as low as secretly filming young boys being sadistically abused by VIPs at Kincora Boys Home - so that these VIPs could later be controlled - FACT.

Look at the quote from Ken Livingstone at the very end of the last of Richard D. Hall's four films of 'The True Story of Madeleine McCann'.

These same security services have been all over the Madeleine McCann case like a nasty rash since Day One

I believe this, 100%.

@ Gaggzy

I forgot to add this screenshot from the last couple of minutes of Richard D Hall's 'True Story of Madeleine McCann': [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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by jeanmonroe 15.06.15 14:15

@TB.

I've 'read' your posts above.

Is it your 'contention' then, that, by 'association' ALL of the T9, and possibly JW, are/have, 'also' being/been 'protected' by the 'dark forces' for 8 years?

IF so, then for how 'long' will 'they' continue to be afforded the same 'protection' as the McS?

Perhaps THAT'S 'where' the £6,778 a 'day' to OG, is being 'spent'?

"protection" for 'all'?

by HelenMeg 15.06.15 14:50

Tony Bennett wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:
willowthewisp wrote:HelenMeg,

Her Boss DC and his boss, Her Majesty!?
We have another difference of opinion here @ HelenMeg...

OK then - so that implies then, following on from others' posts above - that David Cameron holds the key to whether the truth is allowed to emerge or not.

And those above him and those who are colluding with him

Back in 2007 the Blair/Brown governments politically interfered with the investigations.

Yes - and why?

DC's government was 'persuaded / cajoled / bullied' into reviewing the case.

By Rupert Murdoch and his CEO Rebekah Brooks - and against the wishes of Theresa May who was overruled

DC suddenly found out it was a can of worms.

No way, sorry. He appointed former Murdoch man Andy Coulson as his Director of Communications in 2009. The two of them appointed Clarence Mitchell in 2010 as their Deputy Director of Communications, and Cameron sanctioned him being admitted as a Conservative Party candidate at the recent General Election. Remember Rebekah Brooks' text? - "We are all in this together"? There is a cabal at the top keeping the lid on what really happemd to Madeleine McCann. We don't yet know why

What does he do now?

Hope against hope that CMOMM doesn't uncover the real truth

My belief is that he will allow some of the truth to emerge but be will be too cowardly or 'influenced' to allow the whole truth... that is my view.

No way - see above

Some, it seems, think he will or has ordered a whitewash - which implies he is in full agreement with the Labour government of 2007 that the truth must not emerge. I dont think that is feasible although it is true that certain establishment figures cross above the political agendas.

@ HelenMeg - the cover-up/deception/whitewash etc. was IMO in place on Day One. Cameron doesn't have the power to change this, even if he wanted to, the powers-that-be have agreed it

DC also knows that the eyes of the world are watching carefully what happens in this case. He knows that a vast amount continues to be spent on this case. He knows the reputation of SY is at stake and that he himself will be exposed when the truth finally emerges, which it will, in years to come.

I suggest we are near to Operation Grange supplying the final answer - 'an abductor did it but we can't be sure who' - and then everybody apart from us poor dissidents here and elsewhere will forget about the case

Hi Tony

We agree that in 2007 the investigation into M McCann was politically interfered with by the government of the time. You dont state why you think that was but I think that it was because of who was present
at PdL that week. IMO, there was a person / persons who did not want to be exposed as being there in PdL that week. They had high connections and pulled in favours. However, I dont think that the cov er up started on Day 1. I certainly believe there was a period of time when Kate / Gerry thought they were doomed and it was only at a certain point of time (cant remember exactly when without looking back through files) when they realised that they would be protected by virtue of the protection being given to other people who were present at PdL that week. You can see the relief kick in - you can also see that their friends (TAPAS7) start to realise that they are saved and can refuse to go back to Portugal. The TAPAS 9 start showing arrogance that noone can 'touch' them.

When you refer to the 'Powers that be' I want to know who you think they are? For me, the powers that be are a mix of the extremely wealthy donors to the political parties, the influential media moguls such as RM, various Whitehall figures that advise key figures in the political parties, old Etonians who close rank etc. There is no mysterious 'power' - there are just various influences. Nothing magical about them. People who will protect their friends knowing their friends will protect them. I dont think the establishment is as strong as it used to be.
If DC is actually discussing this case with others then what is he saying?

" Look, you have to bring this case to a close as soon as possible, with as little fallout as possible.'
" I dont want his name exposing'
'Tell Nicola to close it within 6 months - quietly as possible'

I want to know what actual conversations he is having and with whom./

by jeanmonroe 15.06.15 15:16

If DC is actually discussing this case with others then what is he saying?

" Look, you have to bring this case to a close as soon as possible, with as little fallout as possible.'
" I dont want his name exposing'
'Tell Nicola to close it within 6 months - quietly as possible'

I want to know what actual conversations he is having and with whom.
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THEN, the PJ 'shelve', not close, THEIR 'side of the 'case' and RELEASE ALL THEIR LOVELY 'FILES' on their second 'investigation' detailing the co-operation, or not, of MET/OG!

Can't wait!

That's WHY, imo, MET/OG are 'struggling' to find a 'closure'.

They DON'T want, can't 'risk'?, the TWO 'different' (BHH) 'courses/lines of investigations (PJ's and MET/OG) being 'aired' in public!

WE 'KNOW' MET/OG's ONLY 'line of inquiry'.......................'THE 'ABDUCTION', BY A STRANGE BURGLATOR'

NO 'DEVIATIONS'! NO 'VARIATIONS'! NO 'OTHER' 'EXPLANATIONS'!

Plus, given that 'only' MET/OG (DCI Redwood) insisted that three Portuguese citizens were 'arguidoed' on OG's 'say so' there will be a MEGA 'compo' bill landing on BHH's desk!

How much is the going 'rate' for a lifetime's reputational damage, being defamed, by being 'associated' (by OG) with possibly being 'involved' in a 3 years old child's 'disappearance'?

All on 'record', on TV and 'press'

Quite a lot, i'd suggest!

by Joss 15.06.15 15:44

I think the question that really needs answering is "Why are the McCann's so important that the establishment has bent over backwards for them"? This has never been seen in a missing child case before to my knowledge.
Just exactly who are the McCann's to warrant all this special attention & Why? when to the public they were only a couple of Doctors that were negligent toward their three little children in a foreign country, and because of it their eldest child came to grief.

by Doug D 15.06.15 15:46

No disclosures on the Met’s Freedom of Information log for four weeks now. The weekly list usually gets posted up within 7/10 days.

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When it gets this far behind, you can’t help but wonder what the hold-up is and whether someone is being called on to make a decision to, errr, ‘accidently lose’ a line or two.

Just my cynical mind I expect.

by **Tony Bennett** 16.06.15 9:03

HelenMeg wrote:
Hi Tony

We agree that in 2007 the investigation into M McCann was politically interfered with by the government of the time. You don't state why you think that was but I think that it was because of who was present at PdL that week. IMO, there was a person / persons who did not want to be exposed as being there in PdL that week. They had high connections and pulled in favours.

REPLY: Good morning. The extraordinary and rapid involvement of the government and the security services following the reported disappearance of Madeleine McCann is an acknowledged fact. You may be right that it is because of a prominent individual who was in PdL at the time. But that is mere speculation; no-one has ever produced any evidence of this. Therefore we all continue to seek to understand why this powerful intervention by the British government and its security services took place

However, I don't think that the cover-up started on Day 1.

REPLY: The editor of the Sun rang Jon Clarke, editor of The Olive Press, in the early morning of 4 May and told him to get to Praia da Luz immediately. He made the 5-hour journey from Ronda, Spain, before midday. The mainstream British TV stations were covering Madeleine's disappearance on the morning news bulletins. Personnel from Bell Pottinger, Leicestershire Police, the Centre for Crisis Counselling (Alan Pike) and Control Risks Group etc, were on their way that very day. According to an FOIAct reply, Clarence Mitchell was formally appointed to head up public relations for the government on Sunday 6 May. These and many other indications suggest that a planned cover-up was indeed in place on Day One

I certainly believe there was a period of time when Kate/Gerry thought they were doomed and it was only at a certain point of time (can't remember exactly when without looking back through files) when they realised that they would be protected by virtue of the protection being given to other people who were present at PdL that week. You can see the relief kick in - you can also see that their friends (TAPAS7) start to realise that they are saved and can refuse to go back to Portugal. The TAPAS 9 start showing arrogance that no-one can 'touch' them.

REPLY: You don't give dates, so it's hard to know exactly what you mean. In the very early days, Dr David Payne spoke of 'the pact of silence' and, according to some, Dr Gerry McCann was exhibiting signs of 'Duper's Delight'. A combination of leaks about the cadaver dogs' alerts, Madeleine's DNA allegedly being found in Apartment G5A and the hired car and then of course the McCanns being made suspects gave the McCanns a torrid time in August and September. Thanks very much to the prodigious and sustained efforts of Clarence Mitchell and others, they rapidly recovered from that setback

When you refer to the 'Powers that be', I want to know who you think they are?

REPLY: I answered this in part earlier - look at the last two posts on page 5, where I discussed the immense power of MI5 and the other security services:

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REPLY: But in this particular case - as in so much else - a key 'power-that-be' is clearly Rupert Murdoch, his empire, and in particular his red-haired sidekick, Rebekah Brooks. Indeed, those who control the mass media are amongst the most powerful people in the world today - the result of the mass media and mass communications.

Just look at Murdoch's influence in this case:

1. Sending a reporter to PdL before dawn on 4 May
2. Intense coverage of the case throughout
3. Offering Clarence Mitchell a PR job with his son-in-law's Freud Communications firm when he ceased to work full-time for the McCanns (Sep 2008)
4. A proliferation of some of the most absurd claimed 'sightings' and stories about Madeleine in his papers; I would probably put the guff about Wayne Hewlett burning a letter from his dead father giving details of the gypsy gang who stole Madeleine at the top of the list
5. His News of the World newspaper co-operating with Leicestershire Police and the McCann Team to produce the ridiculous 'Monster Man' story (Jan 2008)
6. The Sun serialising Dr Kate McCann's book and, of course
7. Rebekah Brooks forcing David Cameron to set up the Operation Grange review after Theresa May had conspicuously failed to do so.

But over and beyond that, Murdoch has dictated who becomes Prime Miniser in this country.

In 1996 Tony Blair, desperate for power, crawled to Murdoch and did a deal with him. Result: Murdoch's papers switched from supporting the Tories to supporting Labour, and when Blair won the 1997 election, the Sun famously bragged: "It was the Sun wot won it'.

The same thing happened in reverse in 2009, when Cameron crawled to Murdoch on his Mediterranean yacht - flown there by his son-in-law, Matthew Freud. Murdoch wanted full control of BSkyB, Cameron said 'Yes', and weeks later Murdoch's papers switched back to the Tories. And then who did Cameron then appoint to run his Communications Office? - Murdoch man Andy Coulson, former NOTW editor, and Clarence Mitchell.

Years earlier, on the eve of the Tory conference where David Cameron was to be crowned leader, Rebekah Brooks famously texted him and said: 'We are all in this together'.

For me, the powers that be are a mix of the extremely wealthy donors to the political parties, the influential media moguls such as RM, various Whitehall figures that advise key figures in the political parties, old Etonians who close rank etc. There is no mysterious 'power' - there are just various influences. Nothing magical about them. People who will protect their friends knowing their friends will protect them. I don't think the establishment is as strong as it used to be.

REPLY: You've missed out the power of international banking companies, like J P Morgan, who have paid Tony Blair millions over the years as a reward for him going to war with Iraq - and triggering absolute mayhem in the Middle East. Blair outed as a war criminal at Leveson:

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If DC is actually discussing this case with others then what is he saying?

"Look, you have to bring this case to a close as soon as possible, with as little fallout as possible".
"I don't want his name exposing"
'Tell Nicola to close it within 6 months - quietly as possible"

I want to know what actual conversations he is having and with whom.

REPLY: There will be an unaccountable, informal committee, meeting now and then to decide how to wind up the case. Likely members are: (1) David Cameron or his most trusted adviser (2) The Head of MI5 or his deputy (3) The Head of Special Branch or his deputy (4) Bernard Hogan-Howe or one of his trusted sidekicks and (5) Clarence Mitchell

by HelenMeg 16.06.15 9:47

Thanks Tony. I'd dearly love to be a fly on the wall in one of the unaccountable committee meetings! Wouldn't we all?!

They've probably been having them for 3 or 4 years now. If they were finding it easy to wind it down quietly it would have all been over a couple of years ago surely.
The fact that it is still 'up in the air' says that shutting down this case without revealing the truth is proving harder than they perhaps envisaged - thumbsup

by Guest 16.06.15 10:25

Not one but 2002:

TB & GA
Plus 2000 odd present donors to the Fund

by sar 16.06.15 10:28

HelenMeg wrote:
Tony Bennett wrote:
HelenMeg wrote:
willowthewisp wrote:HelenMeg,

Her Boss DC and his boss, Her Majesty!?
We have another difference of opinion here @ HelenMeg...

OK then - so that implies then, following on from others' posts above - that David Cameron holds the key to whether the truth is allowed to emerge or not.

And those above him and those who are colluding with him

Back in 2007 the Blair/Brown governments politically interfered with the investigations.

Yes - and why?

DC's government was 'persuaded / cajoled / bullied' into reviewing the case.

By Rupert Murdoch and his CEO Rebekah Brooks - and against the wishes of Theresa May who was overruled

DC suddenly found out it was a can of worms.

No way, sorry. He appointed former Murdoch man Andy Coulson as his Director of Communications in 2009. The two of them appointed Clarence Mitchell in 2010 as their Deputy Director of Communications, and Cameron sanctioned him being admitted as a Conservative Party candidate at the recent General Election. Remember Rebekah Brooks' text? - "We are all in this together"? There is a cabal at the top keeping the lid on what really happemd to Madeleine McCann. We don't yet know why

What does he do now?

Hope against hope that CMOMM doesn't uncover the real truth

My belief is that he will allow some of the truth to emerge but be will be too cowardly or 'influenced' to allow the whole truth... that is my view.

No way - see above

Some, it seems, think he will or has ordered a whitewash - which implies he is in full agreement with the Labour government of 2007 that the truth must not emerge. I dont think that is feasible although it is true that certain establishment figures cross above the political agendas.

@ HelenMeg - the cover-up/deception/whitewash etc. was IMO in place on Day One. Cameron doesn't have the power to change this, even if he wanted to, the powers-that-be have agreed it

DC also knows that the eyes of the world are watching carefully what happens in this case. He knows that a vast amount continues to be spent on this case. He knows the reputation of SY is at stake and that he himself will be exposed when the truth finally emerges, which it will, in years to come.

I suggest we are near to Operation Grange supplying the final answer - 'an abductor did it but we can't be sure who' - and then everybody apart from us poor dissidents here and elsewhere will forget about the case
Hi Tony

We agree that in 2007 the investigation into M McCann was politically interfered with by the government of the time. You dont state why you think that was but I think that it was because of who was present
at PdL that week. IMO, there was a person / persons who did not want to be exposed as being there in PdL that week. They had high connections and pulled in favours. However, I dont think that the cov er up started on Day 1. I certainly believe there was a period of time when Kate / Gerry thought they were doomed and it was only at a certain point of time (cant remember exactly when without looking back through files) when they realised that they would be protected by virtue of the protection being given to other people who were present at PdL that week. You can see the relief kick in - you can also see that their friends (TAPAS7) start to realise that they are saved and can refuse to go back to Portugal. The TAPAS 9 start showing arrogance that noone can 'touch' them.

When you refer to the 'Powers that be' I want to know who you think they are? For me, the powers that be are a mix of the extremely wealthy donors to the political parties, the influential media moguls such as RM, various Whitehall figures that advise key figures in the political parties, old Etonians who close rank etc. There is no mysterious 'power' - there are just various influences. Nothing magical about them. People who will protect their friends knowing their friends will protect them. I dont think the establishment is as strong as it used to be.
If DC is actually discussing this case with others then what is he saying?

" Look, you have to bring this case to a close as soon as possible, with as little fallout as possible.'
" I dont want his name exposing'
'Tell Nicola to close it within 6 months - quietly as possible'

I want to know what actual conversations he is having and with whom./

+1 HM